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  • Yam_castleYam_castle Shipmate
    edited February 28
    *bows gracefully and humbly as first new thread poster* :blush:

    For the past 4/5 years, I've been beavering away doing law studies to eventually qualify as a solicitor (sort of non-trial attorney/lawyer) in England. Finally, and much to my stunnedment, I've secured an interview at a progressive/liberal-lefty legal aid firm in the North East, who specialise in Human Rights, civil liberties, child protection, negligence and the like.

    If anyone has any advice for the interview, preparing, etc that would be super; prayers likewise appreciated :smiley:

  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host
    I can't offer anything in the way of advice - it's a bit above my pay-grade - but I can certainly offer prayers and wish you all the best.
  • neandergirlneandergirl Shipmate
    Fingers crossed for you!
  • There is a (free online) Future Learn course available now How to Succeed at Interviews. I used their Writing a CV course to make me rewrite my CV and found it had useful tips and exercises.
  • Yam_castleYam_castle Shipmate
    Very many thanks everyone, will let you know how it goes :smiley:
  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    All the best Yam_castle!
  • Best of, Yam_castle! Meaningful work, indeed.
  • Lily PadLily Pad Shipmate
    Check to see what people around there wear to work and tailor your outfit accordingly. I know that what you wear shouldn't matter but getting it "right" could give you more confidence.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    Stay on message. research your hiring committee, if possible. In my last successful job interview, I quoted from the work of one of the committee members.
  • Yam_castleYam_castle Shipmate
    Thank you for your thoughts, good wishes and prayers. The interview wasn't a disaster!
    I should hear from the firm in two weeks or so
  • Yay!
  • SipechSipech Shipmate
    Not posted here in a while. I've kept my head down and worked like billio (sp?) for 5 years, but am looking for a change. The better I get, the more work I get, but work won't give me assistant to delegate to. So I've been working 11-16 hour days during the week and working weekends to boot. Fair to say, I'm a bit fed up and a sub-inflation pay rise didn't exactly endear me to my employer. Finally managed to update my CV this evening and pinged off the first application.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host
    Best of luck, Sipech - working hours like that can't possibly be good for you.
  • LothlorienLothlorien All Saints Host
    What Piglet said. You can’t keep those hours going forever, or even any length of time. Hope what you want falls into your lap soon.
  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    Hurrah YamCastle!

    Sipech: good luck. Those hours are insane. I'm bad enough after working 6 days in a row with 1 off. They'll see what a loss your leaving will be.
  • Yam_castleYam_castle Shipmate
    Got the job - elated!
    Sipech all the very best. It's taken me the best part of 10 years to get to this point so I have a great deal of sympathy. Pray you will get a job which is much much better in every way :)
  • Brilliant news, Yam_castle
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host
    Congratulations, Yam_castle! :smiley:
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host
    Congratulations, Yam_castle! :smiley:
  • LothlorienLothlorien All Saints Host
    Congratulations!
  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    Congratulations, Yam_castle! Wonderful news.
  • Yay and congrats!
  • SipechSipech Shipmate
    Update: no interviews as yet. Have seen a few job specs; said yes to some, no to others. But I was running up against a deadline. I really didn't want to work on the interim accounts, which takes most of July. I'm on a 3 month notice period. So, I took the plunge and handed in my notice.

    As testament to the work I've been doing, and in belated acknowledgement that we've got more to do than we have resources for, my line manager said they're going to be looking for 2 people to replace me.

    The clock is now ticking.

    I was very nervous this morning, but this evening, I feel calmer than I have done for over 6 months. It's a risky move, but I think it's the right one.
  • KittyvilleKittyville Shipmate
    Sipech wrote: »
    As testament to the work I've been doing, and in belated acknowledgement that we've got more to do than we have resources for, my line manager said they're going to be looking for 2 people to replace me.

    A testament to your work, absolutely, but how infuriating that it takes you quitting before they admit they've been taking the mickey for ages.

    If it's of any use as encouragement that you've made the right move, I walked away from a job where I felt undervalued, with nowhere to go lined up about 15 months ago. Within 6 weeks, I had landed my current job, which is much more rewarding professionally and as a bonus, somewhat more rewarding financially. I'm very glad for you that you've decided to back yourself.
  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    Infuriating indeed. But take the positive you do the work of 2 people!

    I can understand the nerves; hurrah for the calmer feeling in the evening.

    Is a 3 month notice period normal where you are? 4 weeks here seems like an eternity at times.

    Best wishes from Down Under!
  • Good luck Sipech . I've done that in the past when overloaded, because finding time to job hunt when really stretched is difficult.

    There is always temping if you don't have anything when your notice runs out, which will be less pressured and will give you a chance to look around and see what you think of companies from the inside. There are often options to go temp to perm.
  • You are braver than I ever was, Sipech, though I guess you could use it as a positive in an interview that you needed to be replaced by two people?

    I have to say that my feelings when I was finally made redundant pretty much mirrored yours now so hopefully the positive vibes will come over and you'll get something rapidly - I was starting a new job within five weeks, Christmas included in that, so it does happen.

    Just over two years in I've just been graded as "exceeds expectations" and promoted, meaning a pay rise of almost 10% - sorry if that sounds like gloating, but I feel the need to have a bit of a shout.

    AG
  • SarasaSarasa Shipmate
    Yippee Sandemaniac.

    Sipech it seems a shame your manager didn't give you that line about doing two people's job earlier and actually got in someone to share your work load.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host
    Huge congratulations, Sandemaniac - glad to hear the new job's working out so well! :smiley:

    Wishing all the best to Sipech too - I wouldn't have the nerve to give up one job until I'd found another (except when D's work took us somewhere new and I didn't have any choice).

    I've applied for another job at the local university - it looks as if it would be much the same as what I did in Belfast, but I'm still not holding my breath. At least this time I got an e-mail acknowledging receipt of my application, which is an improvement.
  • Prayers would be appreciated in what is a very scary, at-times-annoying-and-maybe-exciting time: the rector of the church where I work has convinced the vestry to cut my job to part time with no benefits (read: no healthcare, no retirement) as of June. I have decided, after much prayer and staying awake at night (and spousal support), to keep the part-time job, and form a non-profit to do the other half that the rector doesn't want the church to support any more (involving underprivileged children in church music - don't get me started on the ways I think this is wrong). Becoming independent in this part of my ministry feels very freeing in one respect: the tiresome rector cannot dictate how I work with my kids or annoy me with his pretense that they do not exist in this church. However, I will now need to do the fundraising work to support this ministry (and me) outside the church, skills I truly do not have. I don't know what will come of this - I'm really trying to trust that it will all come out ok.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host
    Sorry to hear that, GW - is there anyone in the church with fund-raising skills whose advice you could seek?

    Prayers ascending that you'll be able to work something out.
  • JacobsenJacobsen Shipmate
    Horses for courses, GW. Could you even co-opt another person with the skills you believe you lack? Leaving you to do what you feel good at. Just a suggestion. You could well find that you are not alone in your opinions.
  • Congratulations Sandemaniac.

    Sounds a challenge Granny Weatherwax.
  • Thanks! I do have good people who are helping me set all this up - but the right development person has yet to show up. Just feeling a bit overwhelmed - I learned all the wrong things in grad school :)
    GW
  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    Prayers from Oz Granny Weatherwax.

    And congratulations Sandemaniac!
  • TukaiTukai Shipmate
    You are braver than I ever was, Sipech, though I guess you could use it as a positive in an interview that you needed to be replaced by two people?

    Sipech:
    Sanemaniac is right. That is indeed something to use in interview, but even more so in your written applications where you outline your previous experience. ( I speak from my own experience.)
  • Tukai wrote: »
    Sanemaniac is right. That is indeed something to use in interview, but even more so in your written applications where you outline your previous experience. ( I speak from my own experience.)

    I love that! We should have a specific Quotes file for slips of the keyboard!
  • Prayers would be appreciated in what is a very scary, at-times-annoying-and-maybe-exciting time: the rector of the church where I work has convinced the vestry to cut my job to part time with no benefits (read: no healthcare, no retirement) as of June. I have decided, after much prayer and staying awake at night (and spousal support), to keep the part-time job, and form a non-profit to do the other half that the rector doesn't want the church to support any more (involving underprivileged children in church music - don't get me started on the ways I think this is wrong). Becoming independent in this part of my ministry feels very freeing in one respect: the tiresome rector cannot dictate how I work with my kids or annoy me with his pretense that they do not exist in this church. However, I will now need to do the fundraising work to support this ministry (and me) outside the church, skills I truly do not have. I don't know what will come of this - I'm really trying to trust that it will all come out ok.

    Praying for open doors as you enter into this new venture. I admire your courage and pray for that to bring excitement along with the fear, and many more opportunities :votive
  • SipechSipech Shipmate
    Update: the timing of my notice was 3 months before the interim, as that's usually the worst time of year. But it also means that my employer won't be able to get anyone in who's on a 3 month notice period. So, they've asked "what would it take to stay for an extra month?" They've talked about a retention payment and/or extra flexibility in getting to interviews, though I know if I were to accept, I wouldn't get to any interviews in July. We'd likely be working 10-15 hours a day, 6-7 days a week.

    I didn't plan on trying to negotiate, but if I were, what do you think would be a reasonable request? I know they'll never go for an hourly rate, but I could ask for a day rate, or I might ask for a pro-rated bonus (by resigning, I would normally forego my bonus which would have been accrued thus far).
  • The other problem with accepting any deal is that you may find a brilliant job that you want to take and you're still tied into this job.

    How about offering to train up one of your replacements as soon as they can get someone in, so sooner rather than later? and that would reduce the work load through July because there would be two people in place? Or request a temp in place trained up for July so you can still leave at the end of July?

    (I tried doing this three times in my last job - handed my notice in three times and there was no-one to take over. I last handed my notice in last April, and had to hold on to the end of October to hand over - and that replacement is now going. I'm now being offered a role supporting her successor ...)
  • Sipech wrote: »
    I didn't plan on trying to negotiate, but if I were, what do you think would be a reasonable request? I know they'll never go for an hourly rate, but I could ask for a day rate, or I might ask for a pro-rated bonus (by resigning, I would normally forego my bonus which would have been accrued thus far).

    What will they have to pay if they get an up-to-speed consultant in to do the work and then go away again? Sounds like a big, big day rate to me - and if that is the going rate, you should get it. It might make it possible to be a bit more choosy about what you take next - a bit more in the bank to tide you over.
  • SipechSipech Shipmate
    edited April 3
    An up-to-speed consultant would be hard to come by, as my role is very much dependent on knowing the business and the systems we work with. I know of 3 people who could do my job; I'm one of them. The other 2 are the rest of my team.

    Potentially have an interview on Thursday evening. Need to confirm the time. Just polished my shoes. First interview of any kind since I faced John Humphrys live on the Today programme.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host
    Good luck! I should imagine if you survived John Humphreys you could survive anything! :smile:
  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    edited April 5
    All the best Sipech!

    Off to google John Humphreys...
  • SipechSipech Shipmate
    The interview seemed to go quite well. It was a relatively informal affair; just me and the interviewer talking things through, how we approach work, philosophies on handling management, etc. The upshot is I've got a 2nd interview next week, this time with one of the directors.

    Word has leaked in the office that I'm off. Was asked about it by one of the lawyers tonight, though she wasn't on the list of folks I'd told. But she got it from one of the PAs, who I also hadn't told.

    I'm told the company I'm interviewing for have already seen someone they like, so I'm thinking it might be 50:50 between me (or is it myself?) and the other person. Not counting my chickens, etc. though I'm pleased to have not totally screwed up when I've not rehearsed interview technique at all.
  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    Well done! Fingers and toes crossed.

    Thoughts appreciated for A, returning to work after 5 years off with children. She is struggling with the difficulty of landing one currently and it's impacting her. Thanks.
  • Fingers crossed for both Sipech and A!
  • SmudgieSmudgie Shipmate
    I'd appreciate your prayers for me tomorrow as I start my new job in a field very different to the one I've been in for the last twenty five years. I am going out of teaching and into working for the church. It's a one year contract in the first instance so a bit of a risk-taking venture but I am getting too old for SEN teaching and this job came along which sounds just perfect for me. If the worst comes to the absolute worst, I can always take early retirement next year.

    Tonight I have been talking to the Smudgelet who finishes his degree in two weeks' time. He is panicking about getting a job. He has only had four rejection letters so far but tends to go into a cycle of stress where he convinces himself that he is going to fail and it can be reflected in his application forms. He is in a very specialised field but the firms employing graduates seem to be expecting a greater amount of actual on-the-job experience which you would not really have had chance to do whilst studying. It all sounds a bit challenging.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host
    {{{Smudgie and the Smudgelet}}}

    The "experience trap" is a total pain. When I was first looking for a job, many moons ago, everyone seemed to want you to have experience, which of course I didn't have. Now that I've got over 20 years' experience, all they seem to want is a degree, which I haven't got ... :(
  • (((for everyone looking for work, and for the ship's penguin)))

    The Retired, but not retiring, Mrs. S
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