He appears to be taking a rather uncharacteristic back seat...
Has He actually been seen in the flesh, since He rose from the Bed on the Third Day?
Someone needs to tell him that Superman didn't hide in the phonebox.
"And in that context, we are starting to hear some bizarre autarkic rhetoric, when barriers are going up, and when there is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation that go beyond what is medically rational to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage, then at that moment humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange, some country ready to take off its Clark Kent spectacles and leap into the phone booth and emerge with its cloak flowing as the supercharged champion, of the right of the populations of the earth to buy and sell freely among each other."
Which is instrucive insofar as casting a light on subsequent behaviour, policy and prevarication.
Well, if that's the case, perhaps he should resign.
Would that provide the opportunity to set up a GNU?
No. A GNU is not going to happen because there is no need for it to happen, unless you’re so anti-Tory that you’ll use any excuse - even a global pandemic - to try to get rid of them.
First those younger people who have survived Covid-19 report feeling debilitated for a long period after being discharged from hospital.
Second, because of the demand on hospital beds, and the virus being present in hospitals, people who have the resources to be cared for outside hospital are being discharged as quickly as possible.
I wouldn't expect to see anything of the PM for at least a couple of weeks, perhaps longer.
Well, if that's the case, perhaps he should resign.
Would that provide the opportunity to set up a GNU?
No. A GNU is not going to happen because there is no need for it to happen, unless you’re so anti-Tory that you’ll use any excuse - even a global pandemic - to try to get rid of them.
First those younger people who have survived Covid-19 report feeling debilitated for a long period after being discharged from hospital.
Second, because of the demand on hospital beds, and the virus being present in hospitals, people who have the resources to be cared for outside hospital are being discharged as quickly as possible.
I wouldn't expect to see anything of the PM for at least a couple of weeks, perhaps longer.
Yes, fair comment. The best thing he can do is to rest up, and perhaps focus on Carrie, and their child (due when? Does anyone know?).
Both of the shitstorms need to be firmly nailed to the Tories - the Covid catastrophic bungle and the Brexit self-inflicted disaster
That'd be good but the Tory-supporting press will tweak history in time for elections. It usually works too.
There's always the hope that the tory press will go out of business as a result of the shutdown. There are promising signs already.
They are already run as the propaganda outlets of oligarchs - obvious even prior to the Standard being bought by a former FSB man. A lot of them are losing more money than usual because of the lawsuits against them - but as long as their owners don't tire of funding them they'll stay in business.
Well, if that's the case, perhaps he should resign.
Would that provide the opportunity to set up a GNU?
No. A GNU is not going to happen because there is no need for it to happen, unless you’re so anti-Tory that you’ll use any excuse - even a global pandemic - to try to get rid of them.
I think the point of a GNU is supposed to be to ensure that everyone pulls in the same directions and puts party politics aside for the duration.
I doubt it will happen - but it may do if the situation deteriorates enough.
Both of the shitstorms need to be firmly nailed to the Tories - the Covid catastrophic bungle and the Brexit self-inflicted disaster
Yes, this.
Meanwhile, as TIACW, I hope BoJo recovers in time to Face The Music...
He's still very popular because the public know that instead of pumping billions into the economy , the other lot would have spent it on their Nationalisation vanity project.
[Hostly winged helmet ON:] Just a reminder to spell out acronyms in first usage, both as a general Ship's policy, and because you have a North American Host who thinks of the word "gnu" as synonymous with "wildebeest," and not much more. Thank you! [Hostly winged helmet OFF]
Well, if that's the case, perhaps he should resign.
Would that provide the opportunity to set up a GNU?
No. A GNU is not going to happen because there is no need for it to happen, unless you’re so anti-Tory that you’ll use any excuse - even a global pandemic - to try to get rid of them.
A government of national unity is not going to happen because the very last thing Boris and his pals want is honest, competent people in government. The contrast would be so stark, even the Telegraph might notice.
Most of us aren't anti-Tory. What I am very much against is arrogant, incompetent, feckless fools in government. It is not my fault that such a prosaic, sane position makes me anti-Tory.
The problem is that cost of Tory failure is measured in thousands of lives.
Both of the shitstorms need to be firmly nailed to the Tories - the Covid catastrophic bungle and the Brexit self-inflicted disaster
Yes, this.
Meanwhile, as TIACW, I hope BoJo recovers in time to Face The Music...
He's still very popular because the public know that instead of pumping billions into the economy , the other lot would have spent it on their Nationalisation vanity project.
Yeah, it’s great having a Prime Minister who doesn’t go in for vanity projects.
Strange too that apparently the same public who as a majority favours nationalisation apparently also hates it.
But, carry on with your assertions. It’s not like they get you called to Hell or whatnot.
Both of the shitstorms need to be firmly nailed to the Tories - the Covid catastrophic bungle and the Brexit self-inflicted disaster
Yes, this.
Meanwhile, as TIACW, I hope BoJo recovers in time to Face The Music...
He's still very popular because the public know that instead of pumping billions into the economy , the other lot would have spent it on their Nationalisation vanity project.
Yeah, it’s great having a Prime Minister who doesn’t go in for vanity projects.
Strange too that apparently the same public who as a majority favours nationalisation apparently also hates it.
But, carry on with your assertions. It’s not like they get you called to Hell or whatnot.
One of the things I miss from the old Ship is signatures. Telford's could simply read:
<citation needed>
It would save time. Although in this particular case I think the logical fallacy is also important.
Both of the shitstorms need to be firmly nailed to the Tories - the Covid catastrophic bungle and the Brexit self-inflicted disaster
Yes, this.
Meanwhile, as TIACW, I hope BoJo recovers in time to Face The Music...
He's still very popular because the public know that instead of pumping billions into the economy , the other lot would have spent it on their Nationalisation vanity project.
Yeah, it’s great having a Prime Minister who doesn’t go in for vanity projects.
Strange too that apparently the same public who as a majority favours nationalisation apparently also hates it.
But, carry on with your assertions. It’s not like they get you called to Hell or whatnot.
What is your evidence that the public favours nationalisation? Would it be a 80 seat majority for the Conservatives ?
Both of the shitstorms need to be firmly nailed to the Tories - the Covid catastrophic bungle and the Brexit self-inflicted disaster
Yes, this.
Meanwhile, as TIACW, I hope BoJo recovers in time to Face The Music...
He's still very popular because the public know that instead of pumping billions into the economy , the other lot would have spent it on their Nationalisation vanity project.
Yeah, it’s great having a Prime Minister who doesn’t go in for vanity projects.
Strange too that apparently the same public who as a majority favours nationalisation apparently also hates it.
But, carry on with your assertions. It’s not like they get you called to Hell or whatnot.
What is your evidence that the public favours nationalisation? Would it be a 80 seat majority for the Conservatives ?
Which is more ironic, Telford asking for evidence or that said evidence is in the post in question?
What is your evidence that the public favours nationalisation?
Thanks @Eutychus and @alienfromzog - yes, the text coloured ‘red’ is called a ‘link’. It ‘links’ to other websites which you can ‘read’ with your ‘eyes’. Government polls are what is called ‘reliable evidence’.
Look, @Telford, Boris Johnson is still popular with many, but not because of any of his policies. He’s popular because he’s a charming narcissist, and charming narcissists are really really good at persuading the rest of us poor saps that they are wonderful, whilst simultaneously being, in reality, incompetent.
Not wanting to defend Telford but because one of the shipmates I miss pointed this out, not everyone can see the red links on this site. He could see them on Ye Olde Shippe™ but not here. He asked that we made links more obvious, joking he should be called Linky McLinkface as a reminder. It's why I try to remember to label my links as such.
The people YouGov polls have signed up to receive polls. Each poll completed is worth a certain amount of points, and once sufficient points have been accumulated, You Gov pays out £50. It's not worth doing just for the money - I make approx £50 per year - but those who answer the polls all have access to a computer, and an interest in the process, which must skew the results slightly.
The amount of points offered varies, I believe, according to how easy it is to attract people in that demographic. I get about £1 worth of points for each poll, as middle aged women are ten-a-penny, but my adult children get more as there are fewer young adults on the books.
What is your evidence that the public favours nationalisation? Would it be a 80 seat majority for the Conservatives ?
The post you quoted cites evidence for that assertion. Do you really not understand what citing a source means?
If you do, you ought to acknowledge it or provide a counter-source.
If you don't, it's time you learned.
Or do we have to derail your Hell thread from the niceties of Rickrolling and Arcadian Signing Pigs?
You need to recognise the difference between something needing a source and a comment. I made a comment specifically on one statement . Did you really expect me to give full details of the 2019 general election results ?
Not wanting to defend Telford but because one of the shipmates I miss pointed this out, not everyone can see the red links on this site. He could see them on Ye Olde Shippe™ but not here. He asked that we made links more obvious, joking he should be called Linky McLinkface as a reminder. It's why I try to remember to label my links as such.
I can understand you not wanting defend me. It's not a good idea. I can see the red links by the way.
You would need to explain why the 2019 vote fought almost exclusively on a single issue (Brexit) produces a result relevant to one smallish part of the manifesto of one of the parties standing (partial return of public services into public control).
What is your evidence that the public favours nationalisation?
Thanks @Eutychus and @alienfromzog - yes, the text coloured ‘red’ is called a ‘link’. It ‘links’ to other websites which you can ‘read’ with your ‘eyes’. Government polls are what is called ‘reliable evidence’.
Look, @Telford, Boris Johnson is still popular with many, but not because of any of his policies. He’s popular because he’s a charming narcissist, and charming narcissists are really really good at persuading the rest of us poor saps that they are wonderful, whilst simultaneously being, in reality, incompetent.
He may have persuaded you but I didn't vote for his party at the last election. All politicians are incompetent to some degree.
You would need to explain why the 2019 vote fought almost exclusively on a single issue (Brexit) produces a result relevant to one smallish part of the manifesto of one of the parties standing (partial return of public services into public control).
You have to understand that voting tory endorses everything they have ever done or will do, and their victory is a moral trump card that forever repudiates any alternative policy put forward. This counts double if the policy was advocated by or associated with Jeremy Corbyn, as he is the Devil and all his works must be denounced.
You would need to explain why the 2019 vote fought almost exclusively on a single issue (Brexit) produces a result relevant to one smallish part of the manifesto of one of the parties standing (partial return of public services into public control).
To begin with I do not accept your initial statement ( In bold ) The character of Corbyn and his closest supporters was also a major factor.
The Conservative party won votes in 3 ways.
1. The core vote which is always there in good and bad times.
2. The Get Brexit Done promise
3, The dislike/distrust of Corbyn and his closest supporters.
So, you admit that the Labour manifesto statements about returning some public services back into public ownership (which was also in the manifesto of the Greens, at least) was not a significant factor in the 2019 result. And, hence your statement
What is your evidence that the public favours nationalisation? Would it be a 80 seat majority for the Conservatives ?
is complete bollocks as the public support for public ownership of public services is uncorrelated with the 80 seat Tory majority.
1. The core vote which is always there in good and bad times.
2. The Get Brexit Done promise
3, The dislike/distrust of Corbyn and his closest supporters.
I agree with this.
But let’s backtrack. You asserted that Boris is very popular because the public don’t want nationalisation.
I gave you actual data saying that the public does, in fact, want nationalisation.
So, rather than distracting, do you want to retract or amend your original assertion?
And no, Boris Johnson didn’t woo me. But I offered a different reason why he is still popular, which I think is more accurate than the demonstrably false reason you gave.
You think you got called to Hell because people like to have someone to bully.
I assert that the reason that you got called to Hell is exactly events like this. You make an assertion. It gets challenged or shown to be false. You distract or ignore that.
Over to you. Either challenge this and show my assertion to be false, or, please, take this stuff on board if you don’t want to keep getting called to Hell.
You would need to explain why the 2019 vote fought almost exclusively on a single issue (Brexit) produces a result relevant to one smallish part of the manifesto of one of the parties standing (partial return of public services into public control).
To begin with I do not accept your initial statement ( In bold ) The character of Corbyn and his closest supporters was also a major factor.
The Conservative party won votes in 3 ways.
1. The core vote which is always there in good and bad times.
2. The Get Brexit Done promise
3, The dislike/distrust of Corbyn and his closest supporters.
Even if we accept those 3 points (I would add the support of an overwhelmingly pro-Johnson media) not one of them supports your assertion that the tory majority indicates opposition to nationalisation of rail and utilities.
Even if we accept those 3 points (I would add the support of an overwhelmingly pro-Johnson media) not one of them supports your assertion that the tory majority indicates opposition to nationalisation of rail and utilities.
I would say that the distrust of Corbyn was itself a direct result of the bias of the media.
I wonder if the PM will resign ‘due to health reasons’.?
He has never liked actual work (apart from his pet projects) and the job of PM looks like a lot of work and no play for the foreseeable future.
He's always been willing to do jobs he doesn't really want and are hard work (Mayor of London) to get chance at what he thinks he wants (PM).
Remember what he wanted to be as a kid?
King of the World.
Theres one job that qualifies.
Normally a British accent would be a serious hurdle, as would British citizenship.
Tony Blair might have had a chance due to his overseas reputation as PM, he would have loved the job, but he was ineligible.
Borris is, IIRC, eligible for it.
But he needs to stay PM, ideally come to America's aid militarily when others are reluctant and be "buddies" with both Republican and Democrat Presidents.
Ironically he probably has more chance of joining an American War with Biden in the White House than Trump.
That'll be why Borris stays; he wants to be the first person to have been both British Prime Minister and President of the United States. If he does run, I bet it'll be as a Democrat too!
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Another reminder of why I love the Ship and the Shippies!
Nen - unashamedly unhellish and running to escape the flames.
My inability to spell is surely one of my lesser failings?
Typing must really suck for doctors because they can't hide spelling mistakes behind general illegibility...
My inability to spell is surely one of my lesser failings?
It's true. I can't spell normal words but it's really embarrassing when I get medical words wrong... and you really have to train the spellcheckers...
'Peace Be Upon Him', originally, but your version is better!
He has never liked actual work (apart from his pet projects) and the job of PM looks like a lot of work and no play for the foreseeable future.
Has He actually been seen in the flesh, since He rose from the Bed on the Third Day?
Would that provide the opportunity to set up a GNU?
The gnicest bit of gnature in the zoo?
I wish I could g-nash my teeth at you...
Someone needs to tell him that Superman didn't hide in the phonebox.
"And in that context, we are starting to hear some bizarre autarkic rhetoric, when barriers are going up, and when there is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation that go beyond what is medically rational to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage, then at that moment humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange, some country ready to take off its Clark Kent spectacles and leap into the phone booth and emerge with its cloak flowing as the supercharged champion, of the right of the populations of the earth to buy and sell freely among each other."
Which is instrucive insofar as casting a light on subsequent behaviour, policy and prevarication.
No. A GNU is not going to happen because there is no need for it to happen, unless you’re so anti-Tory that you’ll use any excuse - even a global pandemic - to try to get rid of them.
Second, because of the demand on hospital beds, and the virus being present in hospitals, people who have the resources to be cared for outside hospital are being discharged as quickly as possible.
I wouldn't expect to see anything of the PM for at least a couple of weeks, perhaps longer.
Curses. I've been rumbled...
Yes, fair comment. The best thing he can do is to rest up, and perhaps focus on Carrie, and their child (due when? Does anyone know?).
That'd be good but the Tory-supporting press will tweak history in time for elections. It usually works too.
Yes, this.
Meanwhile, as TIACW, I hope BoJo recovers in time to Face The Music...
There's always the hope that the tory press will go out of business as a result of the shutdown. There are promising signs already.
They are already run as the propaganda outlets of oligarchs - obvious even prior to the Standard being bought by a former FSB man. A lot of them are losing more money than usual because of the lawsuits against them - but as long as their owners don't tire of funding them they'll stay in business.
An enticing prospect, if perhaps elusive...
Yes, but some would prefer to whinge like a child while fluffing the government. Truly the UK is a country of simps.
I think the point of a GNU is supposed to be to ensure that everyone pulls in the same directions and puts party politics aside for the duration.
I doubt it will happen - but it may do if the situation deteriorates enough.
A government of national unity is not going to happen because the very last thing Boris and his pals want is honest, competent people in government. The contrast would be so stark, even the Telegraph might notice.
Most of us aren't anti-Tory. What I am very much against is arrogant, incompetent, feckless fools in government. It is not my fault that such a prosaic, sane position makes me anti-Tory.
The problem is that cost of Tory failure is measured in thousands of lives.
AFZ
Strange too that apparently the same public who as a majority favours nationalisation apparently also hates it.
But, carry on with your assertions. It’s not like they get you called to Hell or whatnot.
One of the things I miss from the old Ship is signatures. Telford's could simply read:
It would save time. Although in this particular case I think the logical fallacy is also important.
AFZ
What is your evidence that the public favours nationalisation? Would it be a 80 seat majority for the Conservatives ?
If you do, you ought to acknowledge it or provide a counter-source.
If you don't, it's time you learned.
Or do we have to derail your Hell thread from the niceties of Rickrolling and Arcadian Signing Pigs?
Which is more ironic, Telford asking for evidence or that said evidence is in the post in question?
D- Must try harder...
Look, @Telford, Boris Johnson is still popular with many, but not because of any of his policies. He’s popular because he’s a charming narcissist, and charming narcissists are really really good at persuading the rest of us poor saps that they are wonderful, whilst simultaneously being, in reality, incompetent.
The amount of points offered varies, I believe, according to how easy it is to attract people in that demographic. I get about £1 worth of points for each poll, as middle aged women are ten-a-penny, but my adult children get more as there are fewer young adults on the books.
You need to recognise the difference between something needing a source and a comment. I made a comment specifically on one statement . Did you really expect me to give full details of the 2019 general election results ?
I can understand you not wanting defend me. It's not a good idea. I can see the red links by the way.
He may have persuaded you but I didn't vote for his party at the last election. All politicians are incompetent to some degree.
You have to understand that voting tory endorses everything they have ever done or will do, and their victory is a moral trump card that forever repudiates any alternative policy put forward. This counts double if the policy was advocated by or associated with Jeremy Corbyn, as he is the Devil and all his works must be denounced.
To begin with I do not accept your initial statement ( In bold ) The character of Corbyn and his closest supporters was also a major factor.
The Conservative party won votes in 3 ways.
1. The core vote which is always there in good and bad times.
2. The Get Brexit Done promise
3, The dislike/distrust of Corbyn and his closest supporters.
I agree with this.
But let’s backtrack. You asserted that Boris is very popular because the public don’t want nationalisation.
I gave you actual data saying that the public does, in fact, want nationalisation.
So, rather than distracting, do you want to retract or amend your original assertion?
And no, Boris Johnson didn’t woo me. But I offered a different reason why he is still popular, which I think is more accurate than the demonstrably false reason you gave.
You think you got called to Hell because people like to have someone to bully.
I assert that the reason that you got called to Hell is exactly events like this. You make an assertion. It gets challenged or shown to be false. You distract or ignore that.
Over to you. Either challenge this and show my assertion to be false, or, please, take this stuff on board if you don’t want to keep getting called to Hell.
Even if we accept those 3 points (I would add the support of an overwhelmingly pro-Johnson media) not one of them supports your assertion that the tory majority indicates opposition to nationalisation of rail and utilities.
I would say that the distrust of Corbyn was itself a direct result of the bias of the media.
He's always been willing to do jobs he doesn't really want and are hard work (Mayor of London) to get chance at what he thinks he wants (PM).
Remember what he wanted to be as a kid?
King of the World.
Theres one job that qualifies.
Normally a British accent would be a serious hurdle, as would British citizenship.
Tony Blair might have had a chance due to his overseas reputation as PM, he would have loved the job, but he was ineligible.
Borris is, IIRC, eligible for it.
But he needs to stay PM, ideally come to America's aid militarily when others are reluctant and be "buddies" with both Republican and Democrat Presidents.
Ironically he probably has more chance of joining an American War with Biden in the White House than Trump.
That'll be why Borris stays; he wants to be the first person to have been both British Prime Minister and President of the United States. If he does run, I bet it'll be as a Democrat too!