Has 'mischievious' (with an extra 'i') appeared in the UK yet? It sounds weird to me, but people get upset if you comment on it. 'Homogen(e)ous' without the final 'e' is commonplace here too.
That could be heard here when I was growing up. It was a sign of a poor education.
Has 'mischievious' (with an extra 'i') appeared in the UK yet? It sounds weird to me, but people get upset if you comment on it. 'Homogen(e)ous' without the final 'e' is commonplace here too.
That could be heard here when I was growing up. It was a sign of a poor education.
The "i" version is what I grew up with. "Mischievous" sounds funny.
Has 'mischievious' (with an extra 'i') appeared in the UK yet? It sounds weird to me, but people get upset if you comment on it. 'Homogen(e)ous' without the final 'e' is commonplace here too.
That could be heard here when I was growing up. It was a sign of a poor education.
My old mother would have been gratified to hear your judgmentalism.
Lightning or lightening? The latter sounds like a hair treatment, or the result of turning on the lights.
For me they’re two different things. The first is visible electrical activity in the sky. The second is something you might do to hair, an over-heavy load, or an under-exposed photo in Photoshop.
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Has 'mischievious' (with an extra 'i') appeared in the UK yet? It sounds weird to me, but people get upset if you comment on it. 'Homogen(e)ous' without the final 'e' is commonplace here too.
Yes 'mischievious' (with an extra 'i') has appeared. Homogeneous appears with both spellings, though the Oxford English Dictionary notes that missing the second ‘e’ is generally regarded as an error as homogenous is a separate word with a different meaning.
Homogeneous is pronounced both as homOgenus (both ‘o’s match the ‘o’ sound in horrid) and hom-oe-JEENius.
I never heard MISS-che-vuss when I was growing up (UK, 1970s), apart from a record (yes, record) I had called 'Misty the Mischevous Mermaid' which came with a handy song, so there could be no doubt about the pronunciation. But I thought it was a UK/US difference, like al-you-min-i-um vs a-loo-min-um.
I could really have done with the schwa symbol at college. we had a day training to use th e Initial Teaching Alphabet, which we would have had to produce all the classroom materials in. As practice, we had to transcribe the story of Cinderella. I did OK until the name which, when I sounded it out had two schwas, one between d and r, and one at the end. Only the ITA didn't do schwas. I asked how I was supposed to write it, and was told that I had to use the e sign and the a sign. At which point I decided to have nothing to do with ITA. It was supposed to be completely phonetic and easily moved on from to normal orthography. But it couldn't be both.
I could really have done with the schwa symbol at college. we had a day training to use th e Initial Teaching Alphabet, which we would have had to produce all the classroom materials in. As practice, we had to transcribe the story of Cinderella. I did OK until the name which, when I sounded it out had two schwas, one between d and r, and one at the end. Only the ITA didn't do schwas. I asked how I was supposed to write it, and was told that I had to use the e sign and the a sign. At which point I decided to have nothing to do with ITA. It was supposed to be completely phonetic and easily moved on from to normal orthography. But it couldn't be both.
Interesting story. I remember the ITA, I think it's difficult to produce something completely phonetic, as some of it looks alien. I suppose schwa is like this. I remember teaching phonetic assimilation - e.g., bad boy is often pronounced bab boy - and students were incredulous, even when listening to each other. Good girl = gug girl, handbag = hambag, dusk to dawn = dust to dawn, etc.
Dusk to dawn became well known, as there were dusk to dawn curfews in various parts of the world, and BBC journalists often said dust to dawn, although people didn't believe it.
Regulatory. REG u la tory. Heard a Brit on radio as reg u LATE ury. Emphasis on an odd syllable to my ears.
The sandwich is peanut butter and jam. Never jelly. Doesn't matter if the jam is technically a jelly (no chunks of fruit in it). It's always called jam.
Homogeneous appears with both spellings, though the Oxford English Dictionary notes that missing the second ‘e’ is generally regarded as an error as homogenous is a separate word with a different meaning.
Homogeneous is pronounced both as homOgenus (both ‘o’s match the ‘o’ sound in horrid) and hom-oe-JEENius.
I am reminded of what Anna Russell said in “How to Write Your Own Gilbert and Sullivan Opera”:
“As you know, you always have to start with a homogenous chorus. I know a lot of people are going to say that isn't homogenous, that's homogeneous. But that isn't what I mean: I mean homogenous, as in milk.”
Washington State--and some other Western states--have counties, towns, even cities, that are from native American languages. Some of them are very interesting to figure out.
Just one example Sequim. Take a stab at how to pronounce it.
Regulatory. REG u la tory. Heard a Brit on radio as reg u LATE ury. Emphasis on an odd syllable to my ears. ...
Now you're asking. I'm not sure. I think I say with it two stresses, on the first and third syllable, 'reg-yu-late-ǝri. Does that make it a trochee followed by a dactyl? And is one stress stronger than the other? I'm also not sure whether the 'u' is as in 'put' or 'you'. I'll have to wait until it crops up in ordinary speech and try to remember to spot what I say. It's not a word that occurs that often.
No idea how Sequim is pronounced. I assume it's not like 'sequin' but with an 'm'. That would be too obvious. We have lots of place names that catch out those who aren't in the know, including more than one example of two places that are spelt the same but pronounced differently, e.g. Mildenhall in East Anglia and in Wiltshire.
I would say "aitch", but I wouldn't presume that I'm right.
In Northern Ireland, we were told that whether you say "aitch" or "haitch" is a way of telling whether you're Protestant or Catholic: Protestants will say "aitch" and Catholics say "haitch".
I don't know how hard-and-fast that rule is, but I did notice it occasionally when I was working there.
When I first saw Sequim, I did think it should be SEEkwim, but the <e> is silent.
Another one some Europeans seem to get wrong is Spokane. You would think, at first sight it is SpokAAn (long a). But it is a short <ah>. The <e> is silent. Originally, the name was Spokan, after the Native American cheif of the tribe that lived in the area, but an early postmaster added the e in 1883
Washington State--and some other Western states--have counties, towns, even cities, that are from native American languages. Some of them are very interesting to figure out.
Just one example Sequim. Take a stab at how to pronounce it.
I find it odd that on tv programmes from the UK I hear people referred to as being on the floor when I would say they were on the ground (unless inside their house).
I could really have done with the schwa symbol at college. we had a day training to use th e Initial Teaching Alphabet, which we would have had to produce all the classroom materials in. As practice, we had to transcribe the story of Cinderella. I did OK until the name which, when I sounded it out had two schwas, one between d and r, and one at the end. Only the ITA didn't do schwas. I asked how I was supposed to write it, and was told that I had to use the e sign and the a sign. At which point I decided to have nothing to do with ITA. It was supposed to be completely phonetic and easily moved on from to normal orthography. But it couldn't be both.
ITA totally sucked. I say this from the perspective of a first grader taught to read in the traditional way and suddenly forced to attend an ITA-mad school that marked my spelling tests wrong for not spelling "of" as "uv."
Washington State--and some other Western states--have counties, towns, even cities, that are from native American languages. Some of them are very interesting to figure out.
Just one example Sequim. Take a stab at how to pronounce it.
See-kim?
Drop the e, pronounce the q as qw. Sounds like sqwim.
Washington State--and some other Western states--have counties, towns, even cities, that are from native American languages. Some of them are very interesting to figure out.
Just one example Sequim. Take a stab at how to pronounce it.
See-kim?
Drop the e, pronounce the q as qw. Sounds like sqwim.
Pronounce the qu as qu. That part at least is far from esoteric.
Washington State--and some other Western states--have counties, towns, even cities, that are from native American languages. Some of them are very interesting to figure out.
Just one example Sequim. Take a stab at how to pronounce it.
See-kim?
Drop the e, pronounce the q as qw. Sounds like sqwim.
Pronounce the qu as qu. That part at least is far from esoteric.
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That could be heard here when I was growing up. It was a sign of a poor education.
The "i" version is what I grew up with. "Mischievous" sounds funny.
My old mother would have been gratified to hear your judgmentalism.
Yes 'mischievious' (with an extra 'i') has appeared. Homogeneous appears with both spellings, though the Oxford English Dictionary notes that missing the second ‘e’ is generally regarded as an error as homogenous is a separate word with a different meaning.
Homogeneous is pronounced both as homOgenus (both ‘o’s match the ‘o’ sound in horrid) and hom-oe-JEENius.
Where I was, it was miss-CHEE-vee-us all the way.
I'd (also English) regard the normal pronunciation as 'misschǝvǝs'.
Miss-CHIEV-ious was all I ever heard growing up. I was most surprised to learn how it was spelt.
Interesting story. I remember the ITA, I think it's difficult to produce something completely phonetic, as some of it looks alien. I suppose schwa is like this. I remember teaching phonetic assimilation - e.g., bad boy is often pronounced bab boy - and students were incredulous, even when listening to each other. Good girl = gug girl, handbag = hambag, dusk to dawn = dust to dawn, etc.
The sandwich is peanut butter and jam. Never jelly. Doesn't matter if the jam is technically a jelly (no chunks of fruit in it). It's always called jam.
“As you know, you always have to start with a homogenous chorus. I know a lot of people are going to say that isn't homogenous, that's homogeneous. But that isn't what I mean: I mean homogenous, as in milk.”
As for mischievous, it MISS-che-vus here.
I think ho-MOJ-ə-nəs happens because of hoMOJenated. Clearely related, must be (mostly) pronounced the same. (That's the thinking)
Yes, the assimilation in dusk is to a following /t/. Similarly, bad assimilates to a /b/, hence bab boy.
Just one example Sequim. Take a stab at how to pronounce it.
No idea how Sequim is pronounced. I assume it's not like 'sequin' but with an 'm'. That would be too obvious. We have lots of place names that catch out those who aren't in the know, including more than one example of two places that are spelt the same but pronounced differently, e.g. Mildenhall in East Anglia and in Wiltshire.
Beautiful.
Like Enoch says, see-quim would be too obvious. And just a bit rude.
Skwim? Skweem?
I would say "aitch", but I wouldn't presume that I'm right.
In Northern Ireland, we were told that whether you say "aitch" or "haitch" is a way of telling whether you're Protestant or Catholic: Protestants will say "aitch" and Catholics say "haitch".
I don't know how hard-and-fast that rule is, but I did notice it occasionally when I was working there.
We've a city on the Alberta-Saskatchewan border: Lloydminster. Which becomes minister frequently.
"Haitch" here used indicate in the 50s and 60s that the speaker was from a Catholic parochial school education. I've not heard it for years.
Another one some Europeans seem to get wrong is Spokane. You would think, at first sight it is SpokAAn (long a). But it is a short <ah>. The <e> is silent. Originally, the name was Spokan, after the Native American cheif of the tribe that lived in the area, but an early postmaster added the e in 1883
A famous eggcorn.
See-kim?
It's not. It's West-MIN-STER.
Confusion probably arises because our senior Government politicians are MINI-STERS.
ITA totally sucked. I say this from the perspective of a first grader taught to read in the traditional way and suddenly forced to attend an ITA-mad school that marked my spelling tests wrong for not spelling "of" as "uv."
Forty years later, and I'm still not over it.
So basically you're complaining that she over-emphasises consonants?
p-b and t-d are pairs you know.
Rimshot.
Yes to the first. Meanwhile maybe commentators should start referring to her as Ms Everd?
What is allowed and what is required are two different things. But you knew that.
Drop the e, pronounce the q as qw. Sounds like sqwim.
Pronounce the qu as qu. That part at least is far from esoteric.
Mousetheif,
I defer to you since you do live near Sequim.
I'll get my coat.