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  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate
    Re possibly deleting T's Twitter account:

    I've been wondering about that. I'm not on Twitter. Has he broken the rules sufficiently that another person doing the same would lose their account?

    T would continue threatening all kinds of things, if deleted. Could he make them happen?

    And...if
    --a massively broken, disturbed, dysfunctional person
    --with a whole lotta power
    --loses his favorite way of commenting on the world (never mind it's his fault)
    --is getting less and less public approval
    --is losing some of his base
    --feels he's in danger of not being re-elected
    --and his whole self is built on desperately, painfully needing absolute attention, respect, acclaim, and (hopefully) love...

    What might such a person do?
    :shudder:

    (I'm not thinking self-harm.)
  • Golden Key wrote: »
    Re possibly deleting T's Twitter account:

    I've been wondering about that. I'm not on Twitter. Has he broken the rules sufficiently that another person doing the same would lose their account?

    Yes, massively so. Twitter put in an exemption to their rules for him.
  • A scary thought, but what could he do?

    Not everyone in the White House is as bonkers as he is [citation needed], so presumably he couldn't suddenly order a nuclear attack on every State that doesn't support him...
    :flushed:
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate
    Thx. I wonder if Mark Z ever wishes he could go back in time to college, and *not* start Facebook?
  • A scary thought, but what could he do?

    Not everyone in the White House is as bonkers as he is [citation needed], so presumably he couldn't suddenly order a nuclear attack on every State that doesn't support him...
    :flushed:

    In theory that would be an illegal order and the hope would be that someone in the chain of command would refuse to follow it. In practice? Let's just say I hope we never find out.
  • Twitter should have deleted the Troll-in-Chief's account ages ago. If they can't do that then maybe they deserve to be shut down. Even the Ship makes trolls walk the plank.

    The difference is that we don't rely on ad revenue. Remember that on free-market social media, users are the product, and I'm sure Trump is a cash cow for Twitter.
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate
    I've sometimes thought he should watch the movie "War Games"--except he'd take exactly the wrong lesson from it. Instead of "Strange game--the only winning move is not to play", T's version would be "HA! I can win! What does this button do? Blow the rest of the planet to smithereens? Cool."
    {Pushes button.}
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    Golden Key wrote: »
    Re possibly deleting T's Twitter account:

    I've been wondering about that. I'm not on Twitter. Has he broken the rules sufficiently that another person doing the same would lose their account?

    Complicating this is that Trump's posted Tweets are arguably presidential records and are theoretically protected under the Presidential Records Act, which would make deleting them a crime.
    Golden Key wrote: »
    Thx. I wonder if Mark Z ever wishes he could go back in time to college, and *not* start Facebook?

    Zuckerberg seems quite comfortable with his decision. Interestingly Facebook's allergy to being "the arbiter of truth" doesn't seem to apply to anti-Trump ads.
  • Twitter is useful for our community board. Easy place to put out info. I use an app called "Tinfoil for Twitter". Twitter tracks phone users like Facebook and other social media platforms. The Tinfoil version allows you to instantly "kill" (shut down totally) twitter. There's also Tinfoil for Facebook, which does the same thing.

    So you're right that social media is about tracking but it is possible to avoid it entirely while still using it when necessary.
  • PigwidgeonPigwidgeon Shipmate
    Golden Key wrote: »
    I've sometimes thought he should watch the movie "War Games"--except he'd take exactly the wrong lesson from it. Instead of "Strange game--the only winning move is not to play", T's version would be "HA! I can win! What does this button do? Blow the rest of the planet to smithereens? Cool."
    {Pushes button.}

    You beat me to it. I was just about to post a reminder that he has the nuclear codes. He could cause the bigliest nuclear war. Obama never started a war that big!
  • Let's rename Twitter to Covid-19 so he can worry about something that actually is of importance.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Today's news conference was odd. 45 comes out condemning China for intentionally releasing COVID 19 into the rest of the world--and, oh, BTW, we are withdrawing from the World Health Organization and will be using the monies earmarked for them through other unspecified avenues). Then he turns around and walks away without taking any questions about the pandemic, his argument with social media, or the riots in Minneapolis and across the country.

    Frankly, I don't think he can withdraw from WHO. We are one of the charter members which was approved by Congress in 1946. Nor is there an exit clause in the WHO Charter. Moreover, the monies that were designated for WHO by Congress have to be used only for WHO. Congress has the power of the purse, and the SCOTUS has consistently said presidents cannot redirect such monies elsewhere without the approval of Congress--he will not get approval and he knows it
  • Simon ToadSimon Toad Shipmate
    It's just another stunt.
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate
    He's gone back and forth about who's responsible for the pandemic--particularly, ISTM, about how an epidemic in China turned into a pandemic everywhere else, especially in the United States. He's blamed China, the WHO, some other big thing (IIRC), the CDC (IIRC), Pres. Obama, and probably the cheese stolen by the mouse in the White House basement pantry.

    Anything but take responsibility himself, 'cause election and personal incapability.

    --

    As to Congressional approval: the whole Congress, no. House, no. But the Senate? Have they been sufficiently de-programmed from their (self-)brainwashing? Do they have the guts to defend the country's health? Against T?

    *Some* senators may well have been very clearly against T's handling from day 1. But as to the rest...

  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host, Epiphanies Host
    edited May 30
    Golden Key wrote: »
    But the Senate? Have they been sufficiently de-programmed from their (self-)brainwashing? Do they have the guts to defend the country's health? Against T?

    *Some* senators may well have been very clearly against T's handling from day 1. But as to the rest...
    Too late. History will record they missed their chance in January. Subsequent events have demonstrated the folly of their short term self serving "loyalty".
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    If 45 wants to reallocate monies designated for WHO, he has to get approval from both the House and the Senate. Even if the Senate goes along with 45 wanting to use the monies elsewhere, but the House rejects it, 45 cannot move the money to other programs.
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    Trump has also decided to "punish" China by revoking Hong Kong's special status. Why exactly he thinks this punishes the PRC is anyone's guess, but mine is something along the lines of "he's an idiot who doesn't understand anything".
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Sounds like the British government is going to allow Hong Kong residents to apply for British passports. That way, there can be legal access to members of the Commonwealth states.
  • There's more than 7 million folks in HK. I wonder how many would choose to leave, and at the moment, too. Tough times.

    Here's a piece on Trump's presidency which rings true, FWIW.
  • HarryCHHarryCH Shipmate
    Part of the Trump-and-Twitter question is that Trump will undoubtedly continue to use Twitter even after he is no longer President. He would be happy to cause trouble.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    HarryCH wrote: »
    Part of the Trump-and-Twitter question is that Trump will undoubtedly continue to use Twitter even after he is no longer President. He would be happy to cause trouble.

    Hopefully, he will be going to jail.
  • Amanda B ReckondwythAmanda B Reckondwyth 8th Day Host, Mystery Worship Editor
    I would love to see him clapped into handcuffs as he steps off the platform on Inauguration Day.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    I would love to see him clapped into handcuffs as he steps off the platform on Inauguration Day.

    I will bet 4 to 3 that he will not attend the Inauguration--he is that venal.
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate
    Question: do you two mean his (God strenuously forbid!) inauguration for his second term? (In which case the arrest is likely a fantasy...for now.) Or when the next president is inaugurated? (Probably never, the way he sometimes talks.)

    Thx.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    GK
    If you have not figured it out, by now, he is not going to get re-elected. The latest ABC News Poll shows that Biden leads Trump 53-43, a ten-point spread which has widened over the past three months. CNN reports that 40 national polls are showing Biden with at least an eight-point lead.

    He is certainly not winning points with his reaction to the protests.
  • PigwidgeonPigwidgeon Shipmate
    Voters have a short memory. Election Day is five months away. Unfortunately, many people will have forgotten the protests and his reaction to them. If the economy improves, and/or if the Pandemic lessens, You-Know-Who will take full credit. (I heard that he was even taking credit for the successful SpaceX launch.) I desperately hope everyone remembers all of the horrors of the past 3 1/2 years, but I don't have that much faith in my fellow voters.
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate
    Gramps--

    Thx for the explanation. I'll believe it when it happens,
  • EirenistEirenist Shipmate
    His reaction to the protests may perhaps play quite well withhis base. It'll all be Obama's fault anyway - gave the yppity n*****s Ideas above their station.
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate
    And if the hydroxy-Q doesn't work out as a med, they can surely find household uses: scrubbing toilet and floors, scrubbing that nasty "fake news!" out of their browser's cache...
    ;)
  • Robert ArminRobert Armin Shipmate
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    I would love to see him clapped into handcuffs as he steps off the platform on Inauguration Day.

    I will bet 4 to 3 that he will not attend the Inauguration--he is that venal.

    According to Facebook (so it must be true) an ex-President gets his portrait painted and is invited to its unveiling at the White House. Apparently Obama has not been.
  • I was under the impression that neither Obama nor Trump would attend. Because of Covid, of course.

    As long as we're entertaining various possible scenarios in our relentless nightmare, David Frum in an interview last week entertained the question of whether a president can pardon himself. It's a completely untested proposition, without scholarly consensus.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    edited June 2
    At 12:01 on 20 January 2021, 45's authority will cease. If he refuses to vacate the White House, rest assured other constitutional authorities will be there to evict him.

    While there is no precedent for a president to pardon himself, he only has the power to pardon federal crimes. The state of New York will press on their investigations and, hopefully, issue indictments on the criminal gang with 45 at the top.
  • Simon ToadSimon Toad Shipmate
    Eirenist wrote: »
    His reaction to the protests may perhaps play quite well withhis base. It'll all be Obama's fault anyway - gave the yppity n*****s Ideas above their station.

    His base is loving it.

    Gramps, I fear you are too hopeful about the potential for Trump to lose. I hope you are right though. If he is re-elected after this...
  • quetzalcoatlquetzalcoatl Shipmate
    Mind boggling that protestors were dispersed with tear-gas and rubber bullets, so that Trump could stand outside a church holding a bible. This is like Mad Max gone down the rabbit hole. Journalist in the Guardian calls Trump the mad emperor.
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate
    Question: When King George III of England was mad (with porphyria or whatever), did he actually do bad/dangerous things? Or was he simply living at sort of a psychedelic tangent to reality?

    Thx.
  • Mind boggling that protestors were dispersed with tear-gas and rubber bullets, so that Trump could stand outside a church holding a bible. This is like Mad Max gone down the rabbit hole. Journalist in the Guardian calls Trump the mad emperor.

    More mind-boggling is the people supporting him and denouncing the Bishop of the diocese for criticising him.
  • Simon ToadSimon Toad Shipmate
    The Wikipedia page seems like a pretty good summary of the man's life. I haven't really studied him, but I understand that his illness came and went. My feeling is that by that stage, real power was in the hands of Parliament, and the power of the monarch was well into its slow decline.
  • I don't think George III did bad things whilst he was ill, though he might have been a danger to himself. The poor man suffered greatly, it seems, and must have been an object of pity and compassion.

    Unlike Trump, who just causes others suffering...
    :rage:

    And yet - maybe Trump really is sick, mentally as well as physically?
  • BTW, here's a link to the Bishop of Washington's remarks about Trump's trip 'to church' (as the BBC put it):
    https://washingtonpost.com/religion/bishop-budde-trump-church/2020/06/01/20ca70f8-a466-11ea-b619-3f9133bbb482_story.html

    I think it's free to browse.
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate
    Re George III:

    Thx, ST and BF. I'll check out the article, when I get a chance.

    BF--Ummm, Y-E-S, IANAD, but I think T is very sick mentally, and I've been saying that since before the election. And there are professionals who've broken protocol to come out and say it. Individuals; and IIRC one of the big associations--maybe the American Psychological Association?
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited June 2
    I'm sure others have commented before about the state of Trump's mental health (or lack of it).

    The problem seems to be that it appears to be completely impossible to remove him from office, prior to the election, however desirable that might be for him, the US, and the world at large...

    Talking about riding on the back of a tiger...
    :scream:

    OTOH (and I'm NOT advocating this) might some sort of coup d'état be possible, if (say) some sensible military leaders took forcible control?
  • mousethiefmousethief Shipmate
    OTOH (and I'm NOT advocating this) might some sort of coup d'état be possible, if (say) some sensible military leaders took forcible control?

    Two coups d'état are possible: 1. invoke the 25th amendment and have him removed as being incapacitated. This requires his staff and the Senate to acquiesce. Ain't gonna happen. 2. Break the Constitution. That would be (of course) uncharted territory, and certainly the end of the United States as we know it.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    mousethief wrote: »
    OTOH (and I'm NOT advocating this) might some sort of coup d'état be possible, if (say) some sensible military leaders took forcible control?

    Two coups d'état are possible: 1. invoke the 25th amendment and have him removed as being incapacitated. This requires his staff and the Senate to acquiesce. Ain't gonna happen. 2. Break the Constitution. That would be (of course) uncharted territory, and certainly the end of the United States as we know it.

    Not quite right. This deals with section four of the 25th Amendment.

    Here is what I found:
    When the vice president and a majority of the Cabinet declare the president unable, power immediately transfers to the vice president. But in this case, the president cannot take power back unilaterally. If and when the president declares that “no inability exists,” the vice president and the Cabinet have four days to respond. In the absence of such a counter-declaration, the president retakes power at the end of the four days. If the Cabinet and the vice president reassert that the president is unable to discharge his duties, however, the dispute goes to Congress to resolve. Unless two-thirds majorities in both the House and the Senate vote within 21 days that the president is unable, he retakes power. If the president loses the vote in Congress, the vice president remains in charge, but the president can try repeatedly to return.

    For a more detailed explanation, go to https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-25th-amendment-really



  • quetzalcoatlquetzalcoatl Shipmate
    A social/political revolution could change structures of power, race, etc. But a very scary proposition in any country, and the human cost could be awful. The old mantra, when the rulers cannot go on in the old way, and the ruled cannot go on.
  • Lamb ChoppedLamb Chopped Shipmate
    No fucking coups d'état here. What you do, even under massive provocation, will be done again in the future by somebody else, and they will cite you as precedent. And it will be much easier for them to do. Don't go there.

    As for the 25th Amendment, that is no coup d'état. It is a perfectly proper if unusual procedure which is part of the Constitution, and it is what we should be using in these circumstances. Should have been using. I'm going to stop before I start frothing at the mouth.
  • Simon ToadSimon Toad Shipmate
    Surely we can hold off on full blown revolution till November. And if he wins after that, well, one day at a time, sweet Jesus. The problem with a revolution or coup is that the right have all the guns.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Meme I just saw:

    Hell of a job, Donnie:
    You brought back the 1918 Pandemic,
    The 1929 Depression,
    And the 1968 riots.
    All at the same time.
  • quetzalcoatlquetzalcoatl Shipmate
    I think revolutions tend to happen when everybody has reached their limit of endurance. This is not the case in the US. This excludes velvet revolutions, even more unlikely.
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