I don't understand why a court would not order that the noisy tenant leave. Obviously there are problems for that tenant, but those should not be visited on neighbours. Perhaps Scooby himself could apply to a court or tenancy tribunal for orders that the landlord take appropriate action. But he will need to get the sort of evidence described.
It's horribly difficult to get housing association tenants out, especially if there are children and known needs. The solution may be rehousing the upstairs tenant, but that assumes there is available social housing to do so, while keeping the children in the right area for schools and all the other needs. So sorry @OriginalScooby
(We're still waiting for an incredibly disruptive neighbour move, even though he's anti-socially noisy and a total interfering pain. He had the eviction notice over 10 months ago after months of complaints, diary entries and police involvement, and it took nearly eighteen months to get the tenant who assaulted me out - that one had to wait for the assault hearing to go through first and then the eviction notice to stick.)
I don't understand why a court would not order that the noisy tenant leave. Obviously there are problems for that tenant, but those should not be visited on neighbours. Perhaps Scooby himself could apply to a court or tenancy tribunal for orders that the landlord take appropriate action. But he will need to get the sort of evidence described.
Although she freely admits to the noise, I have been told that the courts would not issue an eviction notice because she claims that there is no malicious intent and the banging isn't being done deliberately. The Housing Association has admitted that it is the most difficult case they have had to try and resolve. They are in constant contact with her by phone and have written many letters to try and see how they can help mediate the situation.
They will support me if I go back on the housing list or apply for an exchange when my situation and health allows.
Surely this is beyond the stage of phone contact or writing letters. I accept that it is difficult to obtain orders against a social housing tenant - but that does not mean it is impossible. I'm surprised that the housing authority is not taking much more positive action than that described.
The housing association have a duty to house that mother and children so long as there is no malice in the children's behaviour; unless they have suitable alternative accommodation for that family they cannot move them somewhere else. And suitable alternative accommodation would include access to the same schools. As far as this goes, the family are not breaching conditions of their tenancy when the children's special needs are taken into account.
It's not like my neighbour playing loud music and or TV into the early hours and shouting or singing alongside it. That counts as a deliberate act. It's children with special needs banging and crashing around.
My friend's L's husband came through risky brain surgery and is now stable but not yet fully conscious. She is unable to be at his side in hospital and can't reach his physician by phone. Like many happily married couples, they have rarely spent a night apart and L is distracted with worry. More prayers for K and L would be appreciated.
My friend's L's husband came through risky brain surgery and is now stable but not yet fully conscious. She is unable to be at his side in hospital and can't reach his physician by phone. Like many happily married couples, they have rarely spent a night apart and L is distracted with worry. More prayers for K and L would be appreciated.
Prayers ascending for all in need, especially MaryLouise's K and L; Tree Bee's Erin and Original Scooby.
That really is a difficult one; is there any possibility of the neighbours being housed somewhere where the children's noise would be less of an issue?
As I said, this is a really difficult situation, not only for me, but also for the woman and her kids and the Housing Association. For her, the boys are just behaving as is normal for children with their conditions. Her own mental health makes life for them even more difficult. The Housing Association are doing their utmost to provide me with support and are trying to mediate and find a solution. I can only go by what they have said that it would be unlikely for the courts to evict her. The simplest solution is for me to move as soon as it becomes possible for me given my own physical health and disabilities.
Bless you all and thanks again for taking time to pray. X
@OriginalScooby this really sucks. I side with the others that the solution is to appropriately rehome the problem family because the next occupant of your unit is going to be faced with the same affliction.
Actually, the best solution for me is to be the one who moves. I absolutely hate the flat. There is always trouble in the block and the road. The police are frequently having to attend for one thing or another. On occasion, they have even been armed.
I'd only been here a few months when I had my front door kicked open and was assaulted by three men from a house on the same street. The Crown Prosecution Service decided not to prosecute them. I don't feel at all safe here even without the noise and anti-social behaviour from above. She has also flooded my flat on four separate occasions, most recently last month when all my electrics were shorted out and every socket and junction box had to be replaced.
I don't want to live here anymore, I absolutely loath the place, but my health and the current pandemic make it impossible to move anytime soon.
The housing association have a duty to house that mother and children so long as there is no malice in the children's behaviour; unless they have suitable alternative accommodation for that family they cannot move them somewhere else. And suitable alternative accommodation would include access to the same schools. As far as this goes, the family are not breaching conditions of their tenancy when the children's special needs are taken into account.
It's not like my neighbour playing loud music and or TV into the early hours and shouting or singing alongside it. That counts as a deliberate act. It's children with special needs banging and crashing around.
How is a young and possibly autistic child malicious?
What the authority does have is a duty to Scooby to take action to ensure that his use of his flat is undisturbed. The family upstairs has problems, yes, but those should be dealt with by providing suitable accommodation for them, and not at Scooby's cost.
The housing association have a duty to house that mother and children so long as there is no malice in the children's behaviour; unless they have suitable alternative accommodation for that family they cannot move them somewhere else. And suitable alternative accommodation would include access to the same schools. As far as this goes, the family are not breaching conditions of their tenancy when the children's special needs are taken into account.
It's not like my neighbour playing loud music and or TV into the early hours and shouting or singing alongside it. That counts as a deliberate act. It's children with special needs banging and crashing around.
How is a young and possibly autistic child malicious?
What the authority does have is a duty to Scooby to take action to ensure that his use of his flat is undisturbed. The family upstairs has problems, yes, but those should be dealt with by providing suitable accommodation for them, and not at Scooby's cost.
She also plays loud music and shouts and that is on top of her boys' behaviour issues. She has flooded my flat four times without apology. She is constantly engaging in other anti-social behaviour too which has been reported by numerous other tenants as well as myself.
Whatever her circumstances are, "everyone has the right to peace and quiet and enjoyment of their own home without excessive disturbance from others. Nuisance neighbours can disturb a person's enjoyment of their home, and inconsiderate behaviour can even be detrimental to health."
As soon as my health and circumstances allow, I will be putting myself on the list for a transfer to somewhere where I can live in peace without all the aggravation. The Housing Association have said they will support this and make sure I am given top priority. It's a shame I can't do this right now. I'm simply not physically well enough to be able to cope with yet more upheaval.
OriginalScooby - is there a legal aid office/community legal centre you can visit for some free advice, and perhaps more concrete assistance in either making your present living more comfortable or getting you moved into into suitable accommodation?
OriginalScooby - is there a legal aid office/community legal centre you can visit for some free advice, and perhaps more concrete assistance in either making your present living more comfortable or getting you moved into into suitable accommodation?
I'm shielding at the moment, so not able to go out.
<votive> For J, and family
<votive> Prayers ascending for all in need
<votive> Of your mercy, I ask your prayers for my friend C. She also has breast cancer that has metastasized into her bones. She is in terrible pain, and suddenly lost 90% of her hearing, along with her senses of smell and taste, and her tongue and lips are numb. An MRI showed that she has lesions pressing on the relevant parts of her brain, causing all those effects; she doesn't yet know what treatment will be suggested for them. (I'm hoping they can zap them, as they did my brain tumor; she has the same radiation oncologist.) She saw a pain specialist for shots to help with that, but so far it hasn't done much more than take the edge off it. She's a bright and cheerful woman, and it hurts to see her in such bad shape.
Please pray for her husband, K, as well. He's having a very hard time dealing with this.
<votive> Prayers ascending for all Shipmates and their concerns
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Today I had my second MRI of the week, as assorted docs try to figure out what's causing the crippling pains in my left leg. Being stuck in a cylindrical coffin for 70 minutes at a time with various machine gun-like poundings is not good for concentration (even with earplugs in addition to headphones), but it works very well for things like the Jesus Prayer.
I had an MRI last year to make sure that my optical neuritis was just something of unknown origin, and fixed by steroids, and not the first sign of MS. It was completely clear on that front, but I found the noises it made were truly weird.
Praying for all on this thread and those who are engaged in the great headache of safely reopening places and services.
Adding my prayers for those trying to safely negotiate the re-opening of places of worship. It's been a nightmare of miscommunication and assumptions around my parts and I have voted with my feet this morning to stay home until it is clearer. (As in, don't tell the entire world I will be there playing whilst the church is open if I've not been asked!)
Whilst I am delighted for those who want to go into church for "private prayer" I personally struggle with the enthusiasm for this because, frankly, I seem to have been far better disciplined about praying regularly recently, and don't need to be told I'm allowed back in the building to do so.
Praying for all 🕯
I have appointments in cardiology tomorrow for an echocardiogram and a 24 hour ECG. Please pray for answers to my ongoing issues with heart rate.
Well , J is still here.
Been sent hither and yon (which seems bizarre under the current circumstances but what do I know...), had a couple of sessions under the surgeon’s tender care, but has less tubes and trailing appendages with each passing day.
J s family, friends and community are astonished. Prayers continue!
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🕯Prayers for daughter Erin, may all go well.
Lord, in your mercy, hear our prayers.
(We're still waiting for an incredibly disruptive neighbour move, even though he's anti-socially noisy and a total interfering pain. He had the eviction notice over 10 months ago after months of complaints, diary entries and police involvement, and it took nearly eighteen months to get the tenant who assaulted me out - that one had to wait for the assault hearing to go through first and then the eviction notice to stick.)
Although she freely admits to the noise, I have been told that the courts would not issue an eviction notice because she claims that there is no malicious intent and the banging isn't being done deliberately. The Housing Association has admitted that it is the most difficult case they have had to try and resolve. They are in constant contact with her by phone and have written many letters to try and see how they can help mediate the situation.
They will support me if I go back on the housing list or apply for an exchange when my situation and health allows.
It's not like my neighbour playing loud music and or TV into the early hours and shouting or singing alongside it. That counts as a deliberate act. It's children with special needs banging and crashing around.
Praying for @OriginalScooby in a horrible situation
My friend's L's husband came through risky brain surgery and is now stable but not yet fully conscious. She is unable to be at his side in hospital and can't reach his physician by phone. Like many happily married couples, they have rarely spent a night apart and L is distracted with worry. More prayers for K and L would be appreciated.
For all in need of prayer
Prayers ascending.
That really is a difficult one; is there any possibility of the neighbours being housed somewhere where the children's noise would be less of an issue?
As I said, this is a really difficult situation, not only for me, but also for the woman and her kids and the Housing Association. For her, the boys are just behaving as is normal for children with their conditions. Her own mental health makes life for them even more difficult. The Housing Association are doing their utmost to provide me with support and are trying to mediate and find a solution. I can only go by what they have said that it would be unlikely for the courts to evict her. The simplest solution is for me to move as soon as it becomes possible for me given my own physical health and disabilities.
Bless you all and thanks again for taking time to pray. X
Praying for your best outcome.
Also for Erin and a safe healthy delivery.
AFF
Actually, the best solution for me is to be the one who moves. I absolutely hate the flat. There is always trouble in the block and the road. The police are frequently having to attend for one thing or another. On occasion, they have even been armed.
I'd only been here a few months when I had my front door kicked open and was assaulted by three men from a house on the same street. The Crown Prosecution Service decided not to prosecute them. I don't feel at all safe here even without the noise and anti-social behaviour from above. She has also flooded my flat on four separate occasions, most recently last month when all my electrics were shorted out and every socket and junction box had to be replaced.
I don't want to live here anymore, I absolutely loath the place, but my health and the current pandemic make it impossible to move anytime soon.
How is a young and possibly autistic child malicious?
What the authority does have is a duty to Scooby to take action to ensure that his use of his flat is undisturbed. The family upstairs has problems, yes, but those should be dealt with by providing suitable accommodation for them, and not at Scooby's cost.
Me too. This is not healthy for anyone it seems. I hope intervention comes swiftly and from unforeseen sources.
AFF
She also plays loud music and shouts and that is on top of her boys' behaviour issues. She has flooded my flat four times without apology. She is constantly engaging in other anti-social behaviour too which has been reported by numerous other tenants as well as myself.
Whatever her circumstances are, "everyone has the right to peace and quiet and enjoyment of their own home without excessive disturbance from others. Nuisance neighbours can disturb a person's enjoyment of their home, and inconsiderate behaviour can even be detrimental to health."
As soon as my health and circumstances allow, I will be putting myself on the list for a transfer to somewhere where I can live in peace without all the aggravation. The Housing Association have said they will support this and make sure I am given top priority. It's a shame I can't do this right now. I'm simply not physically well enough to be able to cope with yet more upheaval.
Thanks for all the prayers.
<votive> For Baby Beaky
<votive> Praying through, for all, by name
I'm shielding at the moment, so not able to go out.
Prayers continuing - your situation really sucks great festering goose-balls!
For J’s family and friends who are now shattered, confused and don’t know what to think.
Lord in your mercy......
<votive> Prayers ascending for all in need
<votive> Of your mercy, I ask your prayers for my friend C. She also has breast cancer that has metastasized into her bones. She is in terrible pain, and suddenly lost 90% of her hearing, along with her senses of smell and taste, and her tongue and lips are numb. An MRI showed that she has lesions pressing on the relevant parts of her brain, causing all those effects; she doesn't yet know what treatment will be suggested for them. (I'm hoping they can zap them, as they did my brain tumor; she has the same radiation oncologist.) She saw a pain specialist for shots to help with that, but so far it hasn't done much more than take the edge off it. She's a bright and cheerful woman, and it hurts to see her in such bad shape.
Please pray for her husband, K, as well. He's having a very hard time dealing with this.
AFF
Prayers ascending ...
<votive> Prayers ascending for all in need
Today I had my second MRI of the week, as assorted docs try to figure out what's causing the crippling pains in my left leg. Being stuck in a cylindrical coffin for 70 minutes at a time with various machine gun-like poundings is not good for concentration (even with earplugs in addition to headphones), but it works very well for things like the Jesus Prayer.
Praying for all on this thread and those who are engaged in the great headache of safely reopening places and services.
Whilst I am delighted for those who want to go into church for "private prayer" I personally struggle with the enthusiasm for this because, frankly, I seem to have been far better disciplined about praying regularly recently, and don't need to be told I'm allowed back in the building to do so.
I have appointments in cardiology tomorrow for an echocardiogram and a 24 hour ECG. Please pray for answers to my ongoing issues with heart rate.
Been sent hither and yon (which seems bizarre under the current circumstances but what do I know...), had a couple of sessions under the surgeon’s tender care, but has less tubes and trailing appendages with each passing day.
J s family, friends and community are astonished. Prayers continue!
Prayers ascending for all in need.