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  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    I'd be burning that suit after the orange hands touched it...
    Crœsos wrote: »
    Climacus wrote: »
    Does DJ have another meaning other than disc jockey I'm unaware of? It seems an odd choice...DJ Trump?

    I suspect that in this case it simply stands for "Donald John".

    Oh, thank you. I was not familiar with his middle name.
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    Upsetting a man with "connections" shows that Trump is even more stupid that I had thought. As for renaming horses, I'm sure this is frowned upon in the UK and I know that horses cannot be named for living persons, per the story that when someone asked to register their racehorse "Brian Clough" after a voluble football manager, it was turned down, and named "Blabbermouth" instead. Maybe "Alibi" should be renamed Pussygrabber or Orange something.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited May 7
    O I say. That's hardly fair on the poor horse (on whom be peace, and who is no doubt of blameless life and character. Unlike the Marmalade Cat Snatcher*).
    :grimace:

    (*i.e. a snatcher of cats, who himself is marmalade-coloured. No disrespect intended to cats, of any shade).
  • Stercus TauriStercus Tauri Shipmate
    A colleague, many years ago, had a dog that he named after our boss, while observing that it was, in the most literal and correct sense, the son of a bitch, and had no knowledge of its father. But perhaps that's a frivolous tangent - it definitely wasn't a horse.
  • :lol:

    Did the said Boss know about the said Dog?
    :wink:
  • Stercus TauriStercus Tauri Shipmate
    :lol:

    Did the said Boss know about the said Dog?
    :wink:

    We believe not, though if he did, it may have contributed to his early demise.
  • Simon ToadSimon Toad Shipmate
    sionisais wrote: »
    Upsetting a man with "connections" shows that Trump is even more stupid that I had thought. As for renaming horses, I'm sure this is frowned upon in the UK and I know that horses cannot be named for living persons, per the story that when someone asked to register their racehorse "Brian Clough" after a voluble football manager, it was turned down, and named "Blabbermouth" instead. Maybe "Alibi" should be renamed Pussygrabber or Orange something.

    Trump is a man with connections. That's why we didn't allow him to build the Sydney Casino. Rupert Murdoch Newspaper article. If we still had sigs, that link would be mine.
  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    edited May 7
    I think I know the general gist (mob connections?), but for those without a subscription to our national newspaper*, might I ask for the headline if it gives enough information?

    P.S. hope you got back to sleep! A very early post. Or do you Victorians party all Tuesday night? 😉


    * I only get a please support poor and destitute Rupert in his poverty subscription page...
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    Climacus wrote: »
    I think I know the general gist (mob connections?), but for those without a subscription to our national newspaper*, might I ask for the headline if it gives enough information?

    Here's what I think is an American equivalent from May 2016 without the paywall. Sadly the story did not involve e-mail server management practices and was thus not terribly interesting to the American press at the time.
  • Simon ToadSimon Toad Shipmate
    Yep, there are more detailed and broader allegations in Croesos' story. The Australian story is that Trump was chucked out of the tender process to build the Sydney darling harbor Casino (now Star City I think) because the coppers found that he was too close to the Mafia. I like to post the story from the Murdoch paper, but here is The Guardian's report of that article.
  • Amanda B ReckondwythAmanda B Reckondwyth Mystery Worship Editor
    And now the Fartletter-in-Chief is planning to turn Washington's Fourth of July celebration into a Soviet-era style tribute to himself.

    In case the link isn't visible:
    We will be having one of the biggest gatherings in the history of Washington, D.C., on July 4th. It will be called 'A Salute To America' and will be held at the Lincoln Memorial. Major fireworks display, entertainment and an address by your favorite President, me!" Trump tweeted Sunday.

    v. From assholes such as this
    r. Good Lord deliver us.

    And the sooner the better!

    I hope several alternative celebrations will soon be in the planning stages.
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    But at sufficient remove from the Orange One's event so that attendees cannot possibly be counted as part of the Orange crowd.

    Perhaps he could be encouraged to lead the festivities as close to the explosives as possible, demonstrating his recently-touted valor, vim, and vigor. Summer T-storms, complete with lightning strikes, are not uncommon in our capital. Hope springs eternal . . .
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    And now the Fartletter-in-Chief is planning to turn Washington's Fourth of July celebration into a Soviet-era style tribute to himself.

    This is Trump trying to pass off the usual Independence Day festivities in Washington as some kind of superlative spectacle that he can get credit for. Of course it's going to be "the biggest", just like his inauguration crowds, because that's the way Trump rolls.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited May 14
    Is the country's Perpetual Saviour and Leader intending to stand on a YUGE podium (preferably wearing a YUGE Furry Hat*) to take the salutes of the massed military personnel?

    With a YUGE convoy of the bigliest ICBMs in the world trundling along besides?
    :cold_sweat:

    That's how it's traditionally done...
    :grin:

    (*the one he appears to be wearing all the time is, AIUI, his hair-piece, or a comb-over, or whatever).

    Tell you what - send me us a few million $$$ (or £££, or EEE), and I'll we'll find some way to keep him penned up in Ukland after his State Visit here (perhaps in the deepest dungeon of the Tower of London), so that you can enjoy your Independence Day in a fitting manner.
  • PigwidgeonPigwidgeon Shipmate
    Ohher wrote: »
    Perhaps he could be encouraged to lead the festivities as close to the explosives as possible, demonstrating his recently-touted valor, vim, and vigor. Summer T-storms, complete with lightning strikes, are not uncommon in our capital. Hope springs eternal . . . [/quote

    Hairspray is quite flammable.
    :devil:
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    What gets me is the attempt to pass this off as some brilliant new idea.

    How about, for Independence Day we have . . . a big parade! And fireworks!
  • Simon ToadSimon Toad Shipmate
    very stable geniuses are great at coming up with these new ideas Croesos.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited May 14
    Covfefe! That's what you need for The Bigliest Parade!

    And Fireworks (though perhaps not quite after this fashion.....)!
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=vjFG-4Ge668
  • The only person missing from this lunatic circus is Albert Speer. He would have been just right for trump.
  • You forgot Leni Riefenstahl. If this is for Trump, it’s gotta be on TV.
  • jbohnjbohn Shipmate
    edited May 14
    Just read that Cheetolini is planning to inflict himself on sumo fans for the last day of the current tournament (his trip to bother Japan coincides), and is insisting on being allowed to give out a trophy...

    https://tachiai.org/2019/05/13/usa-sumo-trophy-donut/
  • Graven ImageGraven Image Shipmate
    edited May 14
    "We will be having one of the biggest gatherings in the history of Washington, D.C., on July 4th. It will be called 'A Salute To America' and will be held at the Lincoln Memorial. Major fireworks display, entertainment and an address by your favorite President, me!" Trump tweeted Sunday."

    This makes me so mad, I have so many happy memories of being with family on the mall, to watch the fireworks around the Washington Monument. I lived many years in D.C. and the 4th was never political. I no longer live there but if I did I would stay home. I hope local people celebrate at home with neighbors this year, and stay away from this Trump ego celebration.
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    Crœsos wrote: »
    What gets me is the attempt to pass this off as some brilliant new idea.

    How about, for Independence Day we have . . . a big parade! And fireworks!

    Bear in mind, though, that this might well be news to the Donald. What's the likelihood that the Gilded One ever attended an ordinary 4th celebration, with pie-eating contests, potato sack races, and pyrotechnics on the high school memorial field?
  • The RogueThe Rogue Shipmate
    Another chum didn't do anything wrong. Except for lie and cheat and defraud but obviously those things aren't wrong.
  • How could they be wrong, when the Lord Protector of Great (Again) Trumperica shows the way?
  • Simon ToadSimon Toad Shipmate
    Its a roll your eyes moment huh. I wonder if Trump gets paid for that one.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Maybe not paid in cash, but he'll probably get some fairly valuable support - Black may still be quite influential in media circles.

    Out of curiosity, what does a presidential pardon mean? Does it write off the crime as if it had never happened, or is the perpetrator still guilty, but "forgiven"?
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    Piglet wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, what does a presidential pardon mean? Does it write off the crime as if it had never happened, or is the perpetrator still guilty, but "forgiven"?

    The former. If a pardoned person is filling out a form asking "Have you ever been convicted of a crime?" they can non-perjuriously answer "no".
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    Next up: can the menace pardon himself? Anybody want to lay odds on that coming before the Supremes in the next, oh, 2 years or so?
  • Simon ToadSimon Toad Shipmate
    I reckon we are underestimating Trump's hubris is we reckon he's not monetising as much of the Office as he reckons he can get away with. I'm suss about him nominating Cane to the Fed too. Plus he also pardoned a corrupt Californian Republican, I hear on facebook.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Crœsos wrote: »
    Piglet wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, what does a presidential pardon mean? Does it write off the crime as if it had never happened, or is the perpetrator still guilty, but "forgiven"?

    The former. If a pardoned person is filling out a form asking "Have you ever been convicted of a crime?" they can non-perjuriously answer "no".
    Crikey! :worried:
    Ohher wrote: »
    Next up: can the menace pardon himself?
    Even if he could, wouldn't to do so be tantamount to admitting that he'd done something that needed pardoning?
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    Piglet wrote: »
    Ohher wrote: »
    Next up: can the menace pardon himself?
    Even if he could, wouldn't to do so be tantamount to admitting that he'd done something that needed pardoning?

    On August 5, 1974 the Justice Department issued an opinion that "Under the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case, the President cannot pardon himself." This is not a binding precedent but simply the opinion of a bunch of lawyers who worked for the Justice Department. It is, as far as I know, the last time the DoJ officially weighed in on the question. I guess there must have been something going on in early August 1974 that raised the question.
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    Piglet wrote: »
    Ohher wrote: »
    Next up: can the menace pardon himself?
    Even if he could, wouldn't to do so be tantamount to admitting that he'd done something that needed pardoning?

    He's already been doing that -- claiming the Mueller report exonerated him, then trying to prevent its release.

  • Amanda B ReckondwythAmanda B Reckondwyth Mystery Worship Editor
    Crœsos wrote: »
    This is not a binding precedent but simply the opinion of a bunch of lawyers who worked for the Justice Department.
    As is the ridiculous notion that a sitting President can't be indicted for a crime he clearly committed.
  • HedgehogHedgehog Shipmate
    Crœsos wrote: »
    Piglet wrote: »
    Ohher wrote: »
    Next up: can the menace pardon himself?
    Even if he could, wouldn't to do so be tantamount to admitting that he'd done something that needed pardoning?

    On August 5, 1974 the Justice Department issued an opinion that "Under the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case, the President cannot pardon himself." This is not a binding precedent but simply the opinion of a bunch of lawyers who worked for the Justice Department. It is, as far as I know, the last time the DoJ officially weighed in on the question. I guess there must have been something going on in early August 1974 that raised the question.
    Welllllll, yes. But that was the 1970s. Things change. Back then, we also thought that there was a separation of powers. So cute. Now, of course, we know that the President is the Supreme Power and the other branches of government are meant solely to do as the President directs to accomplish his purpose, and any attempts to obstruct this progress are treasonous and punishable by death.

  • alienfromzogalienfromzog Shipmate
    Mueller public statement summed up the Four most important points of his report:
    1. There was a concerted effort by the Russian government to interfere with, and affect the result of, the 2016 election
    2. The Trump campaign welcomed and expected to benefit from this intervention but there wasn't sufficient evidence to demonstrate criminal conspiracy
    3. There is a large amount of evidence to support a conviction for Obstruction of Justice
    4. Mueller has handed it on to Congress to pursue, in line with the Constitution

    I have no doubt that, politics aside, this is way beyond the threshold for impeachment.

    As I have noted before, the Mueller Report is dynamite. Trump's only hope is that Barr's spin hides this from the American people and the Republican Senate keeps protecting him.

    AFZ
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    This quote from Mr. Mueller strikes me as speaking volumes (my bold):
    If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.
    It looks to me as if the only thing that's preventing them from charging Trump is the "convention" that a sitting president can't be indicted.
  • A nightmare scenario, if it occurs:
    https://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48462677

    The idea of Trump, BoJo, and Farage, all meeting together...it's hard to have thoughts of Christian Love™...
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    There's a strangely giddy nauseous feeling at the Venn overlap of petty and stupid when you contemplate that the US Navy felt that it had to hide the USS John McCain from Trump's view while he was visiting the naval base in Japan. In one section, you've got a president that senior military advisors recognize as sufficiently petty to have a dangerous reaction to the name of a political foe (or, rather, his father and grandfather) on a boat. In the adjacent section there is the strategic horror of a president so stupid that senior military advisors see no trouble with keeping information from them.

    The baseline of bile is the knowledge that we are still operating in the paradigm of the US being a representational democracy. This represents the US, as a gestalt. It makes it hard to apply for citizenship, it does.
  • Yes, I spotted this item of news on the BBC website.

    And this guy is Leader Of The Free World™ (according to some)?
    :fearful:
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    RooK wrote: »
    There's a strangely giddy nauseous feeling at the Venn overlap of petty and stupid when you contemplate that the US Navy felt that it had to hide the USS John McCain from Trump's view while he was visiting the naval base in Japan. In one section, you've got a president that senior military advisors recognize as sufficiently petty to have a dangerous reaction to the name of a political foe (or, rather, his father and grandfather) on a boat. In the adjacent section there is the strategic horror of a president so stupid that senior military advisors see no trouble with keeping information from them.

    Trump himself denies any involvement with this. I find this . . . eminently plausible. It now seems like the primary job of a majority of White House staff is to keep Trump from accidentally coming across some triggering bit of information and having a tantrum/meltdown on camera. As evidence, here's Trump having a meltdown about John McCain after someone asked him about the attempt to keep the warship out of his sight.

    The larger lesson: it's never good when the White House advance team shows up at a warship with a tarp.
    RooK wrote: »
    The baseline of bile is the knowledge that we are still operating in the paradigm of the US being a representational democracy. This represents the US, as a gestalt.

    There are a few eighteenth century bugs in the U.S. electoral system that sometimes vomits up the second-place finisher into the Oval Office, so "representational" is a bit of a qualified descriptor.
  • Amanda B ReckondwythAmanda B Reckondwyth Mystery Worship Editor
    And this guy is Leader Of The Free World™ (according to some)?
    And where is the rest of the Free World exposing him, with one voice, as the nincompoop that he is, instead of inviting him for a State Visit?
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    Perhaps there's a latter-day Guy Fawkes involved?
  • Simon ToadSimon Toad Shipmate
    edited May 31
    There's Angela Merkel, Reckondwyth, plus the assembled comedians and commentators of the entire world. Plus we just sent one of our most capable politicians to be our man in Washington, and he's had a corruption scandal so they have something to bond over. We have to be careful, because Trump already thinks this guy is an agent of the Deep State. Mumma told him he could sing when he was a little aristocrat.
  • "The Free World" is a meaningless term. It might have meant something 40 years ago. 40 years from now, if there's still humanity around to ponder it, someone will do a PhD on the know-nothing president's twitter messages. Another will be about burying or cremation requirements for president#46's miscarried Indiana fetuses because you know trumpy will either die or get impeached and vice president penny brain q-tip head will take over all the uteruses. Because freedom begins with single mothers, socialized vaginas and uteruses, and the only important political issue in the world is that every potential baby gets borned so they can worship a gun toting American white military nationalist asshole Jesus-prick who loves freedom molecules of natural gas. Because poverty, suffering, illness, hopelessness are passé for these hell-bound fake christians whose god is satan.

    (the title does say "rant")
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    Meanwhile, in North Korea they've executed the people who organized the meeting between Kim Jong Un and Trump. While horrifying, I can't help but make mental connections to how a cockroach will reflexively clean itself after being touched by a human.
  • Simon ToadSimon Toad Shipmate
    Fuck. I guess they are changing strategy. If only he'd kill the people organising the drive for an ICBM.
  • And this guy is Leader Of The Free World™ (according to some)?
    And where is the rest of the Free World exposing him, with one voice, as the nincompoop that he is, instead of inviting him for a State Visit?

    Ah - but it wasn't us who invited him - blame Our Late Glorious Leaderess (on whom be peace)!
    "The Free World" is a meaningless term. It might have meant something 40 years ago. 40 years from now, if there's still humanity around to ponder it, someone will do a PhD on the know-nothing president's twitter messages. Another will be about burying or cremation requirements for president#46's miscarried Indiana fetuses because you know trumpy will either die or get impeached and vice president penny brain q-tip head will take over all the uteruses. Because freedom begins with single mothers, socialized vaginas and uteruses, and the only important political issue in the world is that every potential baby gets borned so they can worship a gun toting American white military nationalist asshole Jesus-prick who loves freedom molecules of natural gas. Because poverty, suffering, illness, hopelessness are passé for these hell-bound fake christians whose god is satan.

    (the title does say "rant")

    This.
    :grimace:

    And my remark about the Free World was, of course, rhetorical, and ironic.

  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    Have I mentioned that, among the kerfuffle about USS John McCain, President Trump delivered a speech on USS Wasp.

    He couldn't have chosen better.
  • Simon ToadSimon Toad Shipmate
    If you don't think the Free World has any meaning, ask a Uighur what they think it means, or anyone else in China when they are confident they won't be overheard by a party official.

    My country is doing some awful things, including imprisoning asylum seekers on two pacific islands for about 7 years now. But I and millions of other Australians can yell and protest and publish about it without any regard for our personal safety or fear of discrimination. We can even, through a quirk of the system, get a compassionate law passed against the will of the Government, to allow any sick prisoners to be treated in Australia. That won't last much longer, but it happened.

    So before despairing too much about the obvious faults of our various countries, have a look at the value of our freedom. Can any of you say that you wish you lived in a totalitarian or authoritarian country instead of a WEIRD country?

    I want freedom for every country, because freedom is the base upon which a just society can be built.
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