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that was pretty awful Max Hancock

https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/1301423616479944704?s=20

Kay Burley challenges UK health minister about misogyny and homophobia. Is he as bad as comes across?
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  • Worse
  • Lovely to see the Mad Monk, Tony Abbott, being the cause of damage to another Conservative Government. In this video, he is revealed as the reptile he truly is.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    It's Matt, not Max. I wouldn't quibble, but my cat is called Max and he was really offended by the association. He's gone on in a huff to do some catnip.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    And TBF he had been given the brief of defending the indefensible.
  • Perhaps we just go with "Maxcockup". Which could easily apply to the entire Cabinet, but they're all the same clones rolled out to defend the latest idiocy.
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    He constantly looks like he’s about to burst into tears.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    John Crace thinks he probably is.

    His coinage for him is Mattbeth - presumably as one who is so far in blood that to return were tedious as go o'er.
  • But at least UK trade policy won't be determined by foreigners any more ... Oh wait ...

    (Seriously, how are the Tory party OK with this? I'm quite internationalist by temperament, but on the face of it, appointing an Australian citizen as a UK trade negotiator seems like Microsoft getting an Apple exec on a secondment to act as their Head of Sales ...)
  • Schroedingers CatSchroedingers Cat Shipmate, Waving not Drowning Host
    Max hancock makes me think of Max Headroom - a computer generated head intended to spurt out the right words, but fatally damaged and occasionally revealing his true self.

    Or something.

    (Hancock can drown in a septic tank and that would be too good for him)
  • I often wonder if he's any better informed about medical procedures than another Hancock. Of course, that other Hancock was a positive benefit to the world, making people laugh, and is not in anyway responsible for giving us Matt.
  • Ricardus wrote: »
    (Seriously, how are the Tory party OK with this? I'm quite internationalist by temperament, but on the face of it, appointing an Australian citizen as a UK trade negotiator seems like Microsoft getting an Apple exec on a secondment to act as their Head of Sales ...)

    It fits in with a certain racialised conception of British identity that is common in some Tory circles (the same one that is really in favour of CANZUK).
  • Are they ok with it because he's a caucasian whose first language is English?
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    I like Matt and he's a good chap.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host
    But certainly out of his depth in trying to defend Tony Abbot
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    BroJames wrote: »
    But certainly out of his depth in trying to defend Tony Abbot

    Abbot is indefensible in just about anything. Please keep him there.
  • Telford wrote: »
    I like Matt and he's a good chap.

    Who he? (Ed.)
  • Just out of interest, why do Tony Abbot's views on unrelated matters affect whether he's a good choice as trade negotiator or not? Surely the only thing that should affect that decision is whether he's actually any good at conducting trade negotiations?
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited September 4
    But...but...he's not English...so how can he know, and do, what's best for England? It is we, the People of England, who know best.
    :wink:

    Proof of this truth is evident in the skill and leadership shown by our government, elected by the Will of the People.
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    I like Matt and he's a good chap.
    @Telford do you know him personally, or are you just in sympathy with him politically? I mean, is he a friend, in which case perhaps we should not be so rude about him because he is your friend? Or are you just sticking up for him because you're more in sympathy with the government than some of the rest of us and once met him at a meeting?

  • Telford wrote: »
    I like Matt and he's a good chap.
    I like Matt too, he's usually got a decent perspective on the events of the day with a good sense of humour. But, not enough to subscribe to the Telegraph.
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    Just out of interest, why do Tony Abbot's views on unrelated matters affect whether he's a good choice as trade negotiator or not? Surely the only thing that should affect that decision is whether he's actually any good at conducting trade negotiations?

    Jimmy Saville was an excellent fundraiser ...

    Harold Shipman was a medical expert ...

    Character matters.

  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Boogie wrote: »
    Just out of interest, why do Tony Abbot's views on unrelated matters affect whether he's a good choice as trade negotiator or not? Surely the only thing that should affect that decision is whether he's actually any good at conducting trade negotiations?

    Jimmy Saville was an excellent fundraiser ...

    Harold Shipman was a medical expert ...

    Character matters.

    There's the concept of Fit and Proper person, isn't there?
  • Telford wrote: »
    I like Matt and he's a good chap.

    I don't think you're find many NHS employees who would agree with that.

    In his defence, he is a significant improvement on his two immediate predecessors.

    AFZ
  • Well yes, but he could hardly be worse...

    Could he?
    :worried:
  • In his defence, he is a significant improvement on his two immediate predecessors.
    You manage to make that sound like it's an achievement, rather than something that would happen if they'd scraped some slime from the bottom of a pond and called it Secretary of State for Health and Social Care.
  • Telford wrote: »
    I like Matt and he's a good chap.

    I don't think you're find many NHS employees who would agree with that.

    In his defence, he is a significant improvement on his two immediate predecessors.

    AFZ

    40,000+ deaths from COVID19 might disagree with that
  • Just out of interest, why do Tony Abbot's views on unrelated matters affect whether he's a good choice as trade negotiator or not?

    I don't know, but a moment ago you seemed to think motivations were important enough to bring up.

    I'd imagine it's not unlikely that some of the people he has to deal with professionally are women or LGBT.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host
    I’m disappointed that someone who has openly expressed the kind of views Tony Abbot has is regarded as a suitable person to represent Britain.
  • Just out of interest, why do Tony Abbot's views on unrelated matters affect whether he's a good choice as trade negotiator or not? Surely the only thing that should affect that decision is whether he's actually any good at conducting trade negotiations?

    Will he be conducting trade negotiations with Australia?
  • BroJames wrote: »
    I’m disappointed that someone who has openly expressed the kind of views Tony Abbot has is regarded as a suitable person to represent Britain.

    Sadly at the moment it looks like he'll fit right in.
  • This.
    :disappointed:
  • In his defence, he is a significant improvement on his two immediate predecessors.
    You manage to make that sound like it's an achievement, rather than something that would happen if they'd scraped some slime from the bottom of a pond and called it Secretary of State for Health and Social Care.

    True. Oddly I think it reflects that Hunt and Lansley were both actually very competent. They just had really bad ideas that they were very good at delivering. Sometimes incompetence is a saving grace...
    JonahMan wrote: »
    40,000+ deaths from COVID19 might disagree with that

    Indeed but it's Lansley who gutted public health. In terms of crisis management, Hancock seemed to be less than useless but then it was Boris "in charge" anyway.

    AFZ
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Enoch wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    I like Matt and he's a good chap.
    @Telford do you know him personally, or are you just in sympathy with him politically? I mean, is he a friend, in which case perhaps we should not be so rude about him because he is your friend? Or are you just sticking up for him because you're more in sympathy with the government than some of the rest of us and once met him at a meeting?

    I do not know him personally and politics has nothing to do with it although I recognise that supporters of some other parrties would be against anyone doing the job in this government . I have never met him and so he's not a friend. My opinion is based on what I have seen of him on the tv. I see him as a good man doing his best in a very difficult job
    JonahMan wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    I like Matt and he's a good chap.

    I don't think you're find many NHS employees who would agree with that.

    In his defence, he is a significant improvement on his two immediate predecessors.

    AFZ

    40,000+ deaths from COVID19 might disagree with that

    How many of these deaths do you hold him personally responsible for ?
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited September 4
    (cross-posted - I address myself to @alienfromzog).

    I take exception to your last comment.

    You fail to give Due Recognition to the leadership of ConDom Cummings The Farsighted, our Lord Protector's right hand, strength, and stay...it is He who is in charge, and not this worm 'Boris' of whom you speak.

    I would call you to Hell, were we not there already, and there is insufficient room in this handbasket in any case.
  • Just out of interest, why do Tony Abbot's views on unrelated matters affect whether he's a good choice as trade negotiator or not?

    I don't know, but a moment ago you seemed to think motivations were important enough to bring up.

    If they're relevant to the matter at hand.
    I'd imagine it's not unlikely that some of the people he has to deal with professionally are women or LGBT.

    As long as when he's on the clock he stays professional and doesn't treat them any differently than he would anyone else then so what?
  • (cross-posted - I address myself to @alienfromzog).

    I take exception to your last comment.

    You fail to give Due Recognition to the leadership of ConDom Cummings The Farsighted, our Lord Protector's right hand, strength, and stay...it is He who is in charge, and not this worm 'Boris' of whom you speak.

    I would call you to Hell, were we not there already, and there is insufficient room in this handbasket in any case.
    (cross-posted - I address myself to @alienfromzog).

    I take exception to your last comment.

    You fail to give Due Recognition to the leadership of ConDom Cummings The Farsighted, our Lord Protector's right hand, strength, and stay...it is He who is in charge, and not this worm 'Boris' of whom you speak.

    I would call you to Hell, were we not there already, and there is insufficient room in this handbasket in any case.

    I doff my cap and humbly apologise....
  • Telford wrote: »
    Enoch wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    I like Matt and he's a good chap.
    @Telford do you know him personally, or are you just in sympathy with him politically? I mean, is he a friend, in which case perhaps we should not be so rude about him because he is your friend? Or are you just sticking up for him because you're more in sympathy with the government than some of the rest of us and once met him at a meeting?

    I do not know him personally and politics has nothing to do with it although I recognise that supporters of some other parrties would be against anyone doing the job in this government . I have never met him and so he's not a friend. My opinion is based on what I have seen of him on the tv. I see him as a good man doing his best in a very difficult job
    JonahMan wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    I like Matt and he's a good chap.

    I don't think you're find many NHS employees who would agree with that.

    In his defence, he is a significant improvement on his two immediate predecessors.

    AFZ

    40,000+ deaths from COVID19 might disagree with that

    How many of these deaths do you hold him personally responsible for ?

    Your naivety is terrific, but you are entitled to your opinion.

    (No need to thank me for that, BTW).

  • BroJames wrote: »
    I’m disappointed that someone who has openly expressed the kind of views Tony Abbot has is regarded as a suitable person to represent Britain.

    He's only representing us in the context of a trade deal. If we wanted someone to represent our views on women or LGBT issues then we'd pick someone else.
  • (cross-posted - I address myself to @alienfromzog).

    I take exception to your last comment.

    You fail to give Due Recognition to the leadership of ConDom Cummings The Farsighted, our Lord Protector's right hand, strength, and stay...it is He who is in charge, and not this worm 'Boris' of whom you speak.

    I would call you to Hell, were we not there already, and there is insufficient room in this handbasket in any case.
    (cross-posted - I address myself to @alienfromzog).

    I take exception to your last comment.

    You fail to give Due Recognition to the leadership of ConDom Cummings The Farsighted, our Lord Protector's right hand, strength, and stay...it is He who is in charge, and not this worm 'Boris' of whom you speak.

    I would call you to Hell, were we not there already, and there is insufficient room in this handbasket in any case.

    I doff my cap and humbly apologise....

    Your apology is accepted, but please do not wave your arms about whilst doffing. The Unquenchable Fire, and the Worm that dieth not, are a bit too close for comfort...
    :wink:

  • I think this moment really sealed the deal on Abbot's appointment.
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    I'd imagine it's not unlikely that some of the people he has to deal with professionally are women or LGBT.

    As long as when he's on the clock he stays professional and doesn't treat them any differently than he would anyone else then so what?

    That's a pretty big assumption, isn't it? Why does Abbott rate your vote of confidence that he'll behave in a way he has heretofore been unable to?
  • BroJames wrote: »
    I’m disappointed that someone who has openly expressed the kind of views Tony Abbot has is regarded as a suitable person to represent Britain.

    He's only representing us in the context of a trade deal. If we wanted someone to represent our views on women or LGBT issues then we'd pick someone else.
    Think again. Because trade deals are tied to human rights, it actually does matter. These trade deals are inherently political and involve human rights. A short blog article about it: https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/humanrights/2019/06/21/the-geopolitics-of-trade-deals-and-how-they-threaten-human-rights/


  • Just out of interest, why do Tony Abbot's views on unrelated matters affect whether he's a good choice as trade negotiator or not?

    I don't know, but a moment ago you seemed to think motivations were important enough to bring up.

    If they're relevant to the matter at hand.

    Given he isn’t a trade expert, I suspect that the connection with his reputation is somewhat stronger than the one between criticisms of the government and whether you feel someone is personally mean to the party in charge.
  • This.
    :disappointed:

    Although why we need to import a political toss-pots when we’ve got plenty of home grown ones is rather strange.
  • Penny SPenny S Shipmate
    I think his beliefs with regard to climate are likely to impinge on his trade efforts.
  • Telford wrote: »
    I like Matt and he's a good chap.

    I don't think you're find many NHS employees who would agree with that.

    In his defence, he is a significant improvement on his two immediate predecessors.

    He sometimes come across as a somewhat hapless figure - on the other hand he has gone along with the low levels of self-enrichment which are apparently allowed these days, so I suspect the extent to which he is a significant improvement mainly hinges on doing less and being a Health Secretary at a time when the government wasn't so driven by cuts.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    edited September 4
    Telford wrote: »
    Enoch wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    I like Matt and he's a good chap.
    @Telford do you know him personally, or are you just in sympathy with him politically? I mean, is he a friend, in which case perhaps we should not be so rude about him because he is your friend? Or are you just sticking up for him because you're more in sympathy with the government than some of the rest of us and once met him at a meeting?

    I do not know him personally and politics has nothing to do with it although I recognise that supporters of some other parrties would be against anyone doing the job in this government . I have never met him and so he's not a friend. My opinion is based on what I have seen of him on the tv. I see him as a good man doing his best in a very difficult job
    JonahMan wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    I like Matt and he's a good chap.

    I don't think you're find many NHS employees who would agree with that.

    In his defence, he is a significant improvement on his two immediate predecessors.

    AFZ

    40,000+ deaths from COVID19 might disagree with that

    How many of these deaths do you hold him personally responsible for ?

    Your naivety is terrific, but you are entitled to your opinion.

    (No need to thank me for that, BTW).

    Your opinion is poor but you are entitled to your opinion.

    (No need to thank me for that, BTW).
  • BroJames wrote: »
    I’m disappointed that someone who has openly expressed the kind of views Tony Abbot has is regarded as a suitable person to represent Britain.

    He's only representing us in the context of a trade deal. If we wanted someone to represent our views on women or LGBT issues then we'd pick someone else.
    As @NOprophet_NØprofit says, trade deals are more than about trade. So, we want our international trade policy to support the rest of our policies not undermine them. We have committed to significant reductions in our carbon footprint, so we want our trade deals to result in reduced carbon emissions - products made in factories operating to the highest environmental standards, and shipped in the greenest possible manner. Do you think Mr Abbot would prioritise that given his well known views on the climate? Or, we want to further the rights of women and be progressive on LGBTQ, do we want trade deals with nations who live in the dark ages persecuting LGBTQ people and denying basic human rights to women? Would Mr Abbot be able to represent our values in those negotiations?
  • JLBJLB Shipmate Posts: 9
    He has also said all he did with regard to trade deals was to sign off what other people had negotiated. So, no experience, and awful views on women, LGBTQ people and environmental issues. What is in his favour, other than Murdoch's support?
  • Perhaps (like Cummings) he knows where the bodies are buried?
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