How Is God's Glory Shining Through (concerning John 9 - the man blind from birth)

Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
edited March 14 in Kerygmania
In John 9 as follows
9 1-2 Walking down the street, Jesus saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked, “Rabbi, who sinned: this man or his parents, causing him to be born blind?”

3-5 Jesus said, “You’re asking the wrong question. You’re looking for someone to blame. There is no such cause-effect here. Look instead for what God can do. We need to be energetically at work for the One who sent me here, working while the sun shines. When night falls, the workday is over. For as long as I am in the world, there is plenty of light. I am the world’s Light.”

6-7 He said this and then spit in the dust, made a clay paste with the saliva, rubbed the paste on the blind man’s eyes, and said, “Go, wash at the Pool of Siloam” (Siloam means “Sent”). The man went and washed—and saw.

8 Soon the town was buzzing. His relatives and those who year after year had seen him as a blind man begging were saying, “Why, isn’t this the man we knew, who sat here and begged?”

9 Others said, “It’s him all right!”

But others objected, “It’s not the same man at all. It just looks like him.”

He said, “It’s me, the very one.”

10 They said, “How did your eyes get opened?”

11 “A man named Jesus made a paste and rubbed it on my eyes and told me, ‘Go to Siloam and wash.’ I did what he said. When I washed, I saw.”

12 “So where is he?”

“I don’t know.”

13-15 They marched the man to the Pharisees. This day when Jesus made the paste and healed his blindness was the Sabbath. The Pharisees grilled him again on how he had come to see. He said, “He put a clay paste on my eyes, and I washed, and now I see.”

16 Some of the Pharisees said, “Obviously, this man can’t be from God. He doesn’t keep the Sabbath.”

Others countered, “How can a bad man do miraculous, God-revealing things like this?” There was a split in their ranks.

17 They came back at the blind man, “You’re the expert. He opened your eyes. What do you say about him?”

He said, “He is a prophet.”

18-19 The Jews didn’t believe it, didn’t believe the man was blind to begin with. So they called the parents of the man now bright-eyed with sight. They asked them, “Is this your son, the one you say was born blind? So how is it that he now sees?”

20-23 His parents said, “We know he is our son, and we know he was born blind. But we don’t know how he came to see—haven’t a clue about who opened his eyes. Why don’t you ask him? He’s a grown man and can speak for himself.” (His parents were talking like this because they were intimidated by the Jewish leaders, who had already decided that anyone who took a stand that this was the Messiah would be kicked out of the meeting place. That’s why his parents said, “Ask him. He’s a grown man.”)

24 They called the man back a second time—the man who had been blind—and told him, “Give credit to God. We know this man is an impostor.”

25 He replied, “I know nothing about that one way or the other. But I know one thing for sure: I was blind . . . I now see.”

26 They said, “What did he do to you? How did he open your eyes?”

27 “I’ve told you over and over and you haven’t listened. Why do you want to hear it again? Are you so eager to become his disciples?”

28-29 With that they jumped all over him. “You might be a disciple of that man, but we’re disciples of Moses. We know for sure that God spoke to Moses, but we have no idea where this man even comes from.”

30-33 The man replied, “This is amazing! You claim to know nothing about him, but the fact is, he opened my eyes! It’s well known that God isn’t at the beck and call of sinners, but listens carefully to anyone who lives in reverence and does his will. That someone opened the eyes of a man born blind has never been heard of—ever. If this man didn’t come from God, he wouldn’t be able to do anything.”

34 They said, “You’re nothing but dirt! How dare you take that tone with us!” Then they threw him out in the street.

35 Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and went and found him. He asked him, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”

36 The man said, “Point him out to me, sir, so that I can believe in him.”

37 Jesus said, “You’re looking right at him. Don’t you recognize my voice?”

38 “Master, I believe,” the man said, and worshiped him.

39 Jesus then said, “I came into the world to bring everything into the clear light of day, making all the distinctions clear, so that those who have never seen will see, and those who have made a great pretense of seeing will be exposed as blind.”

40 Some Pharisees overheard him and said, “Does that mean you’re calling us blind?”

41 Jesus said, “If you were really blind, you would be blameless, but since you claim to see everything so well, you’re accountable for every fault and failure.”

The Message (MSG)
Copyright © 1993, 2002, 2018 by Eugene H. Peterson

Comments

  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    Perhaps you could clarify what you want to discuss @Gramps49 . There would seem to be an obvious answer - God's glory is shining through in that the blind man can now see. His world has very literally been suffused with light.

    What do you yourself take from the passage?
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    I think there is more to just the man being able to see. BTW, note, the man did not ask to be healed.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Let me clarify the question:

    Scholars say this is the fifth or sixth sign listed in John. The numbering has to do with whether the feeding of the 5,000 and walking on water are two separate signs.

    Each sign teaches us something about Jesus

    In the story of the healing of the blind man, what does it reach us about Jesus?

    Note, @TurquoiseTastic. I tend to begin my Kerygmania conversations using the Socratic Method of Teaching, though I would be first to admit, I am very much a learner here.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    <snip>
    Note, @TurquoiseTastic. I tend to begin my Kerygmania conversations using the Socratic Method of Teaching, though I would be first to admit, I am very much a learner here.
    …and usually on a text for an imminent Sunday, so if we wait a few days many of us may have heard or preached a sermon on it which may add depth to our thoughts here.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Two things

    Whenever Jesus comes along, things change

    Even when we think we know who he is, we don't.

  • Martin54Martin54 Deckhand, Styx
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Two things

    Whenever Jesus comes along, things change

    Even when we think we know who he is, we don't.

    Did He?
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Listen to how a blind pastor understands John 9 https://youtu.be/oO3V9hdFWno
  • Martin54Martin54 Deckhand, Styx
    Why? What does he claim?
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    That John 9 is not about healing, it is about witness.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    That John 9 is not about healing, it is about witness.
  • WandererWanderer Shipmate
    I heard a different perspective on this some years ago when someone from Jews for Jesus visited our church to preach: it is Jesus proclaiming himself as God, rather than merely a prophet.
    Putting right something that has never worked (the eyes of a man who was born blind) is qualitively different from just healing the sick. Also the way in which He does it (putting mud on his eyes) is reminiscent of how God created Man in Genesis. Jesus's Jewish audience would have picked up on that parallel and that is why the Pharisees get so worked up about it and demand an explanation.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited March 20
    Wanderer wrote: »
    I heard a different perspective on this some years ago when someone from Jews for Jesus visited our church to preach: it is Jesus proclaiming himself as God, rather than merely a prophet.
    Yes, I think that’s right—proclaiming himself as Messiah/God, and others recognizing him as Messiah/God. That seems to be in the heart, as it were, of the story:
    Then they reviled [the man born blind], saying, “You are his disciple, but we are disciples of Moses. We know that God has spoken to Moses, but as for this man, we do not know where he comes from.” The man answered, “Here is an astonishing thing! You do not know where he comes from, yet he opened my eyes. We know that God does not listen to sinners, but he does listen to one who worships him and obeys his will. Never since the world began has it been heard that anyone opened the eyes of a person born blind. If this man were not from God, he could do nothing.”
    And the end of the story:
    Jesus heard that they had driven him out, and when he found him he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?” He answered, “And who is he, sir? Tell me, so that I may believe in him.” Jesus said to him, “You have seen him, and the one speaking with you is he.” He said, “Lord, I believe.” And he worshiped him.
    That last line—“And he worshipped him”—makes no sense unless the man born blind recognizes that Jesus is God.

    And that focus on who Jesus is fits with where this story falls in the wider context of John’s gospel. Immediately before this story, we have the bit on “Before Abraham was, I am.”

  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    It’s interesting to read it in the light set it in the context of the themes of light and dark, and knowing and not knowing of John 1.
  • jay_emmjay_emm Kerygmania Host
    John is the writer who choses 'signs' rather than 'works/miracles' . So at least in the selection and presentation, it seems likely that the ailment is meant to tell us about Jesus (in a different way to Mark)
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    I guess verse 39 is important - maybe you could see it as Jesus's own interpretation of the event. He says it is about judgement (in most translations). People respond to the sign postively or negatively and this reveals something about them.
  • Merry VoleMerry Vole Shipmate
    This is one of those passages about Jesus that gets me thinking 'do I really know Jesus -at all??'
    It's so complicated -it's not even obvious that all the action took place on one day.
    But for me the 'take home message' could be something like 'Hubris is the worse thing; always be open to the possibility that you've got stuff wrong'.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Merry Vole wrote: »
    This is one of those passages about Jesus that gets me thinking 'do I really know Jesus -at all??'
    It's so complicated -it's not even obvious that all the action took place on one day.
    But for me the 'take home message' could be something like 'Hubris is the worse thing; always be open to the possibility that you've got stuff wrong'.

    I think one of the truths in this story is as long as we are on this side of eternity we will continue to learn new things about Jesus. If someone says they have figured out Jesus, I suggest walking in the opposite direction.
  • Martin54Martin54 Deckhand, Styx
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Merry Vole wrote: »
    This is one of those passages about Jesus that gets me thinking 'do I really know Jesus -at all??'
    It's so complicated -it's not even obvious that all the action took place on one day.
    But for me the 'take home message' could be something like 'Hubris is the worse thing; always be open to the possibility that you've got stuff wrong'.

    I think one of the truths in this story is as long as we are on this side of eternity we will continue to learn new things about Jesus. If someone says they have figured out Jesus, I suggest walking in the opposite direction.

    He's easy to figure out. Naturally. Or not. Naturally with maximum good will that is. Ignore naturally as pure myth. And the or not requires razor cut ontology.
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