We've been doing it for hundreds of thousands of years now.
Dying.
And other sapients have been doing it for ten times longer. Millions of years. A hundred, a thousand times. In this blip in eternity universe alone.
So is heaven regional? With a regional Incarnation?
When did the first terrestrial sapient get there and how was that? I'm sure, like busses, there was another one along in a minute. After a bit of a wait.
How has the Sublime always and forever worked?
How credible is it? How does one walk down its streets?
(There's a Hell version of this for no holds barred responses. Eutychus has already laid in to me.)
And other sapients have been doing it for ten times longer. Millions of years. A hundred, a thousand times. In this blip in eternity universe alone.
So is heaven regional? With a regional Incarnation?
When did the first terrestrial sapient get there and how was that? I'm sure, like busses, there was another one along in a minute. After a bit of a wait.
How has the Sublime always and forever worked?
How credible is it? How does one walk down its streets?
(There's a Hell version of this for no holds barred responses. Eutychus has already laid in to me.)
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Self awareness is overrated. Which is why we have sex, drugs and Ship of Fools. If you post nude, just don't tell us.
But death. That's forever.
So is transcendence if there's a sentient ground of being.
Wossit like?
And no one does NOT.
(Sorry for the tangent.)
Nor he of us.
Trump and Despair do go well together.
As for the OP - we don't know, we know nothing about the nature of the afterlife. All we have is attempts to describe the indescribable. They are not supposed ot be taken literally.
Becasue if you do, you end up in the sort of ridiculous logic of the OP.
Indeed, yes. 'Giant Trump', and 'Giant Despair' - very Bunyanesque...
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I've never liked that expression - first came across it in "Honest to God", but as far as I'm concerned the "ground of our being" is the dust of the earth.
The week-long series of programmes on Radio 4 (some time last year I think it was) was very interesting.
I have just had an extra legal thing added to the Power of Attorney my sons have so that my wishes can be adhered to if I am unable to voice them myself.
The most annoying thing about dying is that, when it happens,I know I'll be missing all the technological advances etc that will be made.
Whatever it would be like if it existed is only limited by the human imagination.
I was talking to one of my sons yesterday and he was saying that there's some thing going on on Face Book on this inescapable fact - that all die.
Like this ...
There was me thinking this was a thread about taxes ...
If my own experience is any measure, my answer is, we are living the afterlife right now.
I am living the afterlife of my life before this one, which was as a young man who sought refuge from an alcoholic and abusive father in the Alberta dustbowl as an underage soldier in WWII, and who was gunned down during the raid on Dieppe. And who thought that war was a better prospect than home.
Which was the afterlife of a brief incarnation as a Jewish man in a Russian ghetto in pre- and post-revolutionary Russia who died of tuberculosis.
Which was the afterlife of a brief incarnation (actually all my incarnations have been brief, I'm older now than I have ever been) as an alcoholic Russian kulak who drove the hearse that carried the remains of Tchaikovsky, and who froze to death passed out drunk in a snowbank shortly after the funeral.
And I can go further back than this - but you get the picture.
Which brings me to your present question, what are the physics, chemistry and biology of heaven? And my answer is, these right here are the physics, biology and chemistry of heaven. It's just that I am not there just yet. The gnostics have it right IMO - the Kingdom is within.
Lurching toward the New Jerusalem, one misguided fucked-up incarnation at a time.
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- Woody Allen (attr.) (I always thought it was Mark Twain...)
Perhaps I`ll be with 143,999 JW`s?
LOL. Not certain if the rhetorical question is rhetorical or sarcasm because it's very hard to read you in the tone you intend to be read in.
BUT
Yes, I know it because I am here to tell the tale of all my heinous crimes (and I say that with all sincerity, since many of them have been exactly that) and my petty misdemeanors.
Which is for me the absolute testimony to the great love of the One in whom we have our being: that anything and everything is allowed, there is no intervention, and that we are supported and encouraged by the Christ in Us, and by one another in each successive incarnation, to seek and grant forgiveness, and to experience redemption and the Peace that Passes All Understanding.
All experience is sacred.
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Aye, I try and take the wager. But don't remember to take it up every day admittedly. I find invoking God as my friend helps.
Thanks Martin. I guess?
Why does that come across as vaguely menacing instead of reassuring?
I'm going to chalk this one up to the beat poet in you ...
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There. Now I feel better.