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  • If Conservative Election Posters told the truth....
    https://conservatives2019.blogspot.com/2019/09/some-think.html
  • I keep hoping the BBC 'Breaking News' headline will soon appear - 'Johnson Resigns', or 'Johnson Arrested'...
    :grimace:
  • I keep hoping the BBC 'Breaking News' headline will soon appear - 'Johnson Resigns', or 'Johnson Arrested'...
    :grimace:

    Both, surely.
  • Well, I suppose he could resign without being arrested, but being arrested would surely result in resignation...no?
  • If he's guilty of a crime then his constituents could produce a recall petition. Is there any doubt enough would sign that to trigger a by-election?
  • Building a bridge across the Irish Sea would be the easiest piece of bridge building ever, no problem to one who has already managed to put a bridge across the mighty Thames.

    It could be in place by the end of October.
  • StephenStephen Shipmate Posts: 49
    I feel like Commissioner Dreyfus in a Clouseau film...….
  • Stephen wrote: »
    I feel like Commissioner Dreyfus in a Clouseau film...….

    Every day, and in every way...
  • Enoch wrote: »
    Building a bridge across the Irish Sea would be the easiest piece of bridge building ever, no problem to one who has already managed to put a bridge across the mighty Thames.

    It could be in place by the end of October.
    And below budget.

  • LeRoc wrote: »
    Enoch wrote: »
    Building a bridge across the Irish Sea would be the easiest piece of bridge building ever, no problem to one who has already managed to put a bridge across the mighty Thames.

    It could be in place by the end of October.
    And below budget.

    Pfft. Budgets are for girly swots.
  • LeRoc wrote: »
    Enoch wrote: »
    Building a bridge across the Irish Sea would be the easiest piece of bridge building ever, no problem to one who has already managed to put a bridge across the mighty Thames.

    It could be in place by the end of October.
    And below budget.
    By £350m per week.
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    edited September 2019
    If he's guilty of a crime then his constituents could produce a recall petition. Is there any doubt enough would sign that to trigger a by-election?

    Uxbridge & South Ruislip isn't the safest seat, with a majority of about 5,000, or about 10%. A five per cent swing in these chaotic times is very little. If there is a general election before the UK leaves, or the UK doesn't leave, then I expect Boris to resign to spend more time with his families, rather than take the risk of being booted out.
  • sionisais wrote: »
    If he's guilty of a crime then his constituents could produce a recall petition. Is there any doubt enough would sign that to trigger a by-election?

    Uxbridge & South Ruislip isn't the safest seat, with a majority of about 5,000, or about 10%. A five per cent swing in these chaotic times is very little. If there is a general election before the UK leaves, or the UK doesn't leave, then I expect Boris to resign to spend more time with his families, rather than take the risk of being booted out.

    To see less of his children.

    Sorry, I meant to see fewer of his children.
  • sionisais wrote: »
    If he's guilty of a crime then his constituents could produce a recall petition. Is there any doubt enough would sign that to trigger a by-election?

    Uxbridge & South Ruislip isn't the safest seat, with a majority of about 5,000, or about 10%. A five per cent swing in these chaotic times is very little. If there is a general election before the UK leaves, or the UK doesn't leave, then I expect Boris to resign to spend more time with his families, rather than take the risk of being booted out.

    Or he could get a job in the Intu shopping centre.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host
    Isn’t there a vacancy for stopping bulldozers by lying in front of them?
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited September 2019
    Meanwhile, in a somewhat unsurprising piece of news, Piffleglum denies telling fibs to the Queen:
    https://bbc.co.uk/news

    Well, he could hardly do otherwise, I suppose. The sheer arrogance of this egregious man is breathtaking.
    :rage:
  • I try extremely hard not to demonize those with whom I passionately disagree.

    It's more difficult than it should be. I begin with the notion that most MPs seek to serve their constituents and to make the nation better.

    The past few years have challenged this; from the careless indifference to the NHS which is criminal in the effect it has on the sick, to the evils of the DWP, to the fucking awfulness of Windrush. I have struggled a lot.

    But this is the final straw:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49670901

    There is no excuse for this Government's abuse of power- attacking judges in this way (and using cowardly phrases to do it) is beyond disgraceful.

    From the Prime Minister down, these people are scum. Rich scum maybe but...

    I know God loves them but I am struggling today.

    I understand Bevan's passion; the callousness is horrific. They obviously only care about themselves.

    I am fucking furious.

    I have good friends whom I love dearly who support this scum and that hurts even more.

    This is why I am so scornful of Corbyn's critics. He is a combination of Einstein and Mother Theresa compared to these clowns.

    AFZ
  • [...] But this is the final straw:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49670901 [...]

    He is quasi wrong.
  • ... and - while we're punning away - he's quasi quoting the wrong people and the wrong attitude. Definitely.
  • Crœsos wrote: »
    Yes, I think I 'got' the cheapo allusion - sounds about right - and I, too, fear that we are, alas, heading for 'official' fascism.
    :anguished:

    Coincidentally I ran across this today:
    Boris Johnson has secretly ordered the Cabinet Office to turn the government's public internet service into a platform for "targeted and personalised information" to be gathered in the run-up to Brexit, BuzzFeed News has learned.

    In a move that has alarmed Whitehall officials, the prime minister has instructed departments to share data they collect about usage of the GOV.UK portal so that it can feed into preparations for leaving the European Union at the end of next month.

    Dominic Cummings, the prime minister’s chief adviser, emailed senior officials instructing them to make sure that ministers, department heads and political aides know that the instruction is “TOP PRIORITY”, according to leaked government documents.

    So government websites will track everyone who uses them not just on a department by department basis but combine the data into one vast panopticon and the reason for this has to be done now Now NOW! is "something something Brexit". Am I the only one wondering what an organization like Cambridge Analytica could do with a dataset that comprehensive and integrated and whether this has anything to do with the election Mr. Johnson wants to have in the near future?

    You are not.
  • I've mentioned elsewhere that I recently used the government website facility to tax my car.

    Doubtless, another entry has been added to the dossier the government has on me - being a member of a certain left-wing political party means that I'm probably on their radar, anyway.

    Piffleglum, do your worst. I. Don't. Care. (and you won't be around much longer, despite your blustering, bullshit, and bravado....)
  • It looks as if, despite his blustering bravado, our Boris the Bold is reduced to begging the EU to offer him something - anything - that he can pass off to his followers as a deal that they can accept. Unless of course the egregious Mr Cummings has discovered a loophole he can squeeze through.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited September 2019
    I noticed the headline on someone's Daily Distress this morning, before I averted my gaze.

    It read (IIRC) 'Brexit Deal Is Within Our Grasp', which is another way of looking at what @Eirenist says above!

    IOW, Piffleglum the Importunate is willing to grasp at any nettle, poison ivy, hemlock etc. offered him.

    Come to think of it, a nice, big, cup of hemlock, somewhere out in the countryside of LittleMiddle England, and he'd get his wish...
    :naughty:
  • One suggestion is that he would move the backstop to the middle of the Irish Sea now that the DUP don't ensure a parliamentary majority, and recast this as a "new deal".

    I've long predicted that the UK would be willing to throw NI under the bus at some point, and it wouldn't surprise me if this lot did it.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited September 2019
    If they do, then the best thing NI could do, in the long run (and IMHO), would be to secede from the 'United' Kingdom ( :lol: ), and join up with the Republic of Ireland.

    I know - unlikely, to say the least... :frowning:

    (BTW, are you referring to the 'Bus Of Lies', which proclaimed how much the NHS would gain, post-Brexit? :naughty: )
  • I have long predicted that scenario too, ultimately. This would just hasten it.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited September 2019
    Well, I did say 'in the long run' (thinking in decades), but you may well turn out to be right.

    Interesting times...
    :scream:
  • Eutychus wrote: »
    One suggestion is that he would move the backstop to the middle of the Irish Sea now that the DUP don't ensure a parliamentary majority, and recast this as a "new deal".

    I've long predicted that the UK would be willing to throw NI under the bus at some point, and it wouldn't surprise me if this lot did it.

    I wondered about this too 🤔

  • Eutychus wrote: »
    One suggestion is that he would move the backstop to the middle of the Irish Sea now that the DUP don't ensure a parliamentary majority, and recast this as a "new deal".

    Though he'd also need to make up the numbers of the hardline ERG folk who would object to such a thing on the grounds of sovereignty.

    I see he ducked his press conference today because of the booing. The Luxembourg PM gestured towards the empty podium and looked distinctly unimpressed.
  • A United Ireland and an independent Scotland would be a fine legacy for any Prime Minister.
  • The Luxembourg PM gestured towards the empty podium and looked distinctly unimpressed.
    The imagery is up there with Rees-Mogg lounging in the HoC. And the comments of the Luxembourg PM are worth listening to.

  • The poll numbers in the North seem to be showing a slight majority to join the Republic. However, the traditional view is that nobody is ready for this, partly because of Unionist resistance. However, who knows what Brexit may produce?

    Interesting point about the Lib Dem proposal to cancel Brexit, with no referendum. Various Scottish friends sat up at this idea, and wondered if they could have this facility for independence, that is, no referendum required?
  • I wonder if the background of leaves (see the picture of the press conference shunned by Piffleglum) represents the hemlock to which I referred earlier?
    :innocent:
    Doc Tor wrote: »
    A United Ireland and an independent Scotland would be a fine legacy for any Prime Minister.

    Wouldn't it just? Unfortunately, 'England' would be left as a miserable little rump of a country, isolated from Europe (that fog again!), and still being governedraped by the slimy Selfservative arsewipes we have at the moment.

    Not quite sure where poor Wales comes in that scenario - perhaps united in a Celtic Federation with Cornwall, and Brittany?



  • First we have to agree on how many départements Brittany actually has.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited September 2019
    'Bevet Breizh !'

    Which, being interpreted, is, I understand, 'Vive la Bretagne!*' in Breton...

    :grimace:

    (*Long live Brittany!).
  • I wonder if the background of leaves (see the picture of the press conference shunned by Piffleglum) represents the hemlock to which I referred earlier?
    :innocent:
    Doc Tor wrote: »
    A United Ireland and an independent Scotland would be a fine legacy for any Prime Minister.

    Wouldn't it just? Unfortunately, 'England' would be left as a miserable little rump of a country, isolated from Europe (that fog again!), and still being governedraped by the slimy Selfservative arsewipes we have at the moment.

    Not quite sure where poor Wales comes in that scenario - perhaps united in a Celtic Federation with Cornwall, and Brittany?



    I've heard it suggested that the rump state ought to be called Wangland.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Wouldn't putting a border in the Irish Sea (a) set off the Troubles again; and (b) throw the Good Friday Agreement under a bus?

    Not that I imagine the current shower would care: as I've said before, the people of Northern Ireland can't vote them out, so they're fair game as "collateral damage".

    They really ought to stop calling themselves "Conservative and Unionist" though.
  • Border in the Irish Sea would upset the unionists a lot more than the loyalists imho.
  • Piglet wrote: »
    Wouldn't putting a border in the Irish Sea (a) set off the Troubles again; and (b) throw the Good Friday Agreement under a bus?

    Not that I imagine the current shower would care: as I've said before, the people of Northern Ireland can't vote them out, so they're fair game as "collateral damage".

    They really ought to stop calling themselves "Conservative and Unionist" though.

    I was going to mention their full name. May made a big thing of it when she announced the agreement with them. Leaving NI behind would be seen as betrayal. So no difference there.
  • Eutychus wrote: »
    The Luxembourg PM gestured towards the empty podium and looked distinctly unimpressed.
    The imagery is up there with Rees-Mogg lounging in the HoC. And the comments of the Luxembourg PM are worth listening to.

    Yes, indeed. Boris does not come out well from the account in this morning's Guardian. Good on the Luxembourg PM - perhaps he was chosen to express the views of all others but without the furore had the words been spoken by a leader of one of the larger countries.
  • Gracious RebelGracious Rebel Shipmate
    edited September 2019
    Just been watching him being interviewed by Laura Kuenssberg and not actually answering any of her very pertinent questions. Transcript and video here .... BBC News - In full: Boris Johnson interview from Luxembourg with BBC's Laura Kuenssberg
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49717554
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    edited September 2019
    Eutychus wrote: »
    Border in the Irish Sea would upset the unionists a lot more than the loyalists imho.
    I'm not quite sure what you mean there, Euty - in NI terms, "loyalist" and "unionist" are more-or-less the same people.
  • Is it possible that Boris will decide at some point that doing what Cummings suggests isn't working out the way he thought? How likely is he to ditch him? Just wondering, since he felt the need to hide from protesters earlier today.
  • @Piglet sorry, I meant upset the unionists more than the nationalists.
  • Athrawes wrote: »
    Is it possible that Boris will decide at some point that doing what Cummings suggests isn't working out the way he thought? How likely is he to ditch him? Just wondering, since he felt the need to hide from protesters earlier today.

    I think avoiding media scrutiny, just like avoiding parliamentary scrutiny, is a feature of their strategy, not a bug.

    (Note 10 Downing Street span the non-appearance in Luxembourg as being due to the unreasonableness of their hosts wanting to have the press conference within earshot of the protesters and not being willing to change venue. How typical of UK arrogance to want to set the terms when not playing at home).
  • I keep wondering about this election he wants so badly ... Will we all get a vote or just people who voted Leave in 2016? Because those are the only voters they ever seem to talk about ...
  • Furtive GanderFurtive Gander Shipmate
    edited September 2019
    Good point Tubbs; they seem to think no-one has noticed all the problems, that all the warnings about leaving (that voters were told to disregard) are coming true and no-one has come to their senses.

    A narrow majority scraped on one day following a campaign of lies seems to them to be a 'mandate' while just asking the public whether 'this' (whatever specific plan to leave) still has public support over Remaining is an anti-democratic outrage.
  • I think you'll get an election on about November 8 or so, with Boris campaigning on the basis that unlike all other lying vassals of the EU, he's kept his promise - to get the UK out of the EU on October 31 - and that the sky hasn't fallen (yet).
  • Eutychus wrote: »
    I think you'll get an election on about November 8 or so, with Boris campaigning on the basis that unlike all other lying vassals of the EU, he's kept his promise - to get the UK out of the EU on October 31 - and that the sky hasn't fallen (yet).

    If that happens may he lose support ‘the war is won, we don’t need you now - back to my traditional party’?
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