Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

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  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    Touch lots of wood.
  • Boogie wrote: »
    Touch lots of wood.

    Amen brother.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host
    Or, in Boogie’s case, sister (IIRC).
  • Boogie wrote: »
    Touch lots of wood.

    That's... not a mental image I needed given what Johnson has been accused of.
  • BroJames wrote: »
    Or, in Boogie’s case, sister (IIRC).

    :blush: Sorry!! I so often get that wrong....
  • Given the Tangled, Thorny, Thicket that is the British political reality at the moment, some minor confustications are inevitable, and excusable.

    Piffleglum The Great, crashing in flames, is an image to savour...
    :naughty:
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    BroJames wrote: »
    Or, in Boogie’s case, sister (IIRC).

    :blush: Sorry!! I so often get that wrong....

    No problem - I just lack the ‘wood’ of @Arethosemyfeet’s norty innuendo.
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    “The prime minister has attacked the Extinction Rebellion activists protesting in London over the climate crisis, dismissing them as “uncooperative crusties” who should stop blocking the streets of the capital with their “heaving hemp-smelling bivouacs”.”

    There is a huge pile of lost votes, right there. Especially from young people.
  • Boogie wrote: »
    “The prime minister has attacked the Extinction Rebellion activists protesting in London over the climate crisis, dismissing them as “uncooperative crusties” who should stop blocking the streets of the capital with their “heaving hemp-smelling bivouacs”.”

    There is a huge pile of lost votes, right there. Especially from young people.

    Yes and No.

    It will (quite rightly) turn a lot of people away but they are in the groups least likely to vote. Among his faithful followers who are more likely to vote, it'll go down really well.

    He is totally and utterly committed to this 'wedge' approach. He is betting that if he can get his base to turn-out, and not go to the Brexit Corp; he will win.

    AFZ
  • XR does include farmers with tractors, Quakers and other church groups. (That's my quick memory search - the tractors were on the BBC farming programme yesterday.) Those people know people who know they aren't what he has described.
  • Boogie wrote: »
    “The prime minister has attacked the Extinction Rebellion activists protesting in London over the climate crisis, dismissing them as “uncooperative crusties” who should stop blocking the streets of the capital with their “heaving hemp-smelling bivouacs”.”

    There is a huge pile of lost votes, right there. Especially from young people.

    Yes and No.

    It will (quite rightly) turn a lot of people away but they are in the groups least likely to vote. Among his faithful followers who are more likely to vote, it'll go down really well.

    He is totally and utterly committed to this 'wedge' approach. He is betting that if he can get his base to turn-out, and not go to the Brexit Corp; he will win.

    AFZ

    Those who are out on the streets with XR are very likely to vote, but regardless of what he says won't be voting Tory. People who get involved in political action between elections are also very likely to vote at elections. Non-participation in political activity is more likely to lead to not voting. Even the demographic of XR, middle class professional, is one very likely to vote, and might be considered natural Tory voters (though probably LibDem, Labour and Green all get good representation in that demographic).
  • Boogie wrote: »
    “The prime minister has attacked the Extinction Rebellion activists protesting in London over the climate crisis, dismissing them as “uncooperative crusties” who should stop blocking the streets of the capital with their “heaving hemp-smelling bivouacs”.”

    There is a huge pile of lost votes, right there. Especially from young people.

    Yes and No.

    It will (quite rightly) turn a lot of people away but they are in the groups least likely to vote. Among his faithful followers who are more likely to vote, it'll go down really well.

    He is totally and utterly committed to this 'wedge' approach. He is betting that if he can get his base to turn-out, and not go to the Brexit Corp; he will win.

    AFZ

    Those who are out on the streets with XR are very likely to vote, but regardless of what he says won't be voting Tory. People who get involved in political action between elections are also very likely to vote at elections. Non-participation in political activity is more likely to lead to not voting. Even the demographic of XR, middle class professional, is one very likely to vote, and might be considered natural Tory voters (though probably LibDem, Labour and Green all get good representation in that demographic).

    Good point. You are right, I hadn't thought it through properly - the demographics of XR are very different to previous campaigning groups.

    Boris is playing to his gallery though - it's just another wedge. Will it work? That is the question.

    AFZ
  • Boogie wrote: »
    “The prime minister has attacked the Extinction Rebellion activists protesting in London over the climate crisis, dismissing them as “uncooperative crusties” who should stop blocking the streets of the capital with their “heaving hemp-smelling bivouacs”.”

    There is a huge pile of lost votes, right there. Especially from young people.

    Yes and No.

    It will (quite rightly) turn a lot of people away but they are in the groups least likely to vote. Among his faithful followers who are more likely to vote, it'll go down really well.

    He is totally and utterly committed to this 'wedge' approach. He is betting that if he can get his base to turn-out, and not go to the Brexit Corp; he will win.

    AFZ

    Those who are out on the streets with XR are very likely to vote, but regardless of what he says won't be voting Tory. People who get involved in political action between elections are also very likely to vote at elections. Non-participation in political activity is more likely to lead to not voting. Even the demographic of XR, middle class professional, is one very likely to vote, and might be considered natural Tory voters (though probably LibDem, Labour and Green all get good representation in that demographic).

    Apparently all they need to do is read a biography of Thatcher ... :scream:
  • Those who are out on the streets with XR are very likely to vote, but regardless of what he says won't be voting Tory.

    Exactly. Politically, there's zero reason for Boris to give one stunted shit about XR because none of them were ever going to vote for him anyway.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    They block the path of his limo. That is really irritating you know.
  • There are other things that are irritating: like one's Goddaughter, on an internship and with little money, getting her brand new (bought with birthday money) coat ruined by the XR stunt with the fire engine and "fake" blood. She's already been told by her insurers that as the damage occurred as a result of "civil unrest" she won't be covered :rage:
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Shame
  • Shocking.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Shipmate
    edited October 2019
    There are other things that are irritating: like one's Goddaughter, on an internship and with little money, getting her brand new (bought with birthday money) coat ruined by the XR stunt with the fire engine and "fake" blood. She's already been told by her insurers that as the damage occurred as a result of "civil unrest" she won't be covered :rage:

    Possibly a livable planet 50 years down the line would outweigh the inconvenience.

    (Or she could try eBaying it as a important historic relic of the beginning of the extinction rebellion.)
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    Those who are out on the streets with XR are very likely to vote, but regardless of what he says won't be voting Tory. People who get involved in political action between elections are also very likely to vote at elections. Non-participation in political activity is more likely to lead to not voting. Even the demographic of XR, middle class professional, is one very likely to vote, and might be considered natural Tory voters (though probably LibDem, Labour and Green all get good representation in that demographic).
    I'm sure that's right. Mr de Pfeffel Johnson can safely ignore upsetting that tranche because, although they're sure to vote, they're never going to vote for him anyway.

    There's also a virtually 100% correlation between climate change denial and no-deal Brexitism.

    What's more curious is that until only a few weeks ago, de Pfeffel Johnson's floosie was an environmentalist. I don't think he ever was, and I don't think that's what attracted him to her, but as recently as the end of August, she was a headline speaker at the annual Birdfair in Rutland, sharing a platform with the likes of Chris Packham and the Chair of Natural England.
  • After today’s shenanigans I would like to say that Boris Johnson is a total that word.

    This is beyond crap
  • Tubbs wrote: »
    After today’s shenanigans I would like to say that Boris Johnson is a total that word.
    He's a Jeremy Hunt?
  • Tubbs wrote: »
    After today’s shenanigans I would like to say that Boris Johnson is a total that word.
    He's a Jeremy Hunt?

    Yes. But, frankly we need another ultimate swear because this one is just not strong enough
  • :lol:

    NSFW, and certainly unsubtle...but Very Funny...
  • TubbsTubbs Admin
    edited October 2019
    Less subtle, (nsfw).

    Well, Hell Hosts I checked the link so you don’t have too. Seriously, @Rossweisse don’t look
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Shipmate
    edited October 2019
    (Apologies, I’d forgotten @Rossweisse is now a hell host.)
  • There are other things that are irritating: like one's Goddaughter, on an internship and with little money, getting her brand new (bought with birthday money) coat ruined by the XR stunt with the fire engine and "fake" blood. She's already been told by her insurers that as the damage occurred as a result of "civil unrest" she won't be covered :rage:

    Possibly a livable planet 50 years down the line would outweigh the inconvenience.

    Do you seriously, honestly, believe that there is any risk at all of Earth ceasing to be livable within 50 years? Even in the worst case scenario of climate change that’s not going to happen. There will still be people and animals and plants. Fewer of them, probably, but that’s not the same thing.

    Well, unless a massive asteroid nobody had noticed until it was too late smashes into us in 45 years time or something. But if that sort of thing happens I’m not letting you claim it as vindication.
  • I think extreme weather events are going to increase markedly and that death rates from them will slowly rise. I believe climate pressure on agriculture will cause increased migrant flows, and thousands more dying trying to cross the Mediterranean ocean and elsewhere.

    I think if we don’t avoid the tipping point the world will be a lot more dangerous place in 2070.

    I think it is more important than a coat.
  • DafydDafyd Shipmate
    edited October 2019
    Do you seriously, honestly, believe that there is any risk at all of Earth ceasing to be livable within 50 years? Even in the worst case scenario of climate change that’s not going to happen. There will still be people and animals and plants. Fewer of them, probably, but that’s not the same thing.
    I am reasonably certain there will still be cockroaches.

    The Permian-Triassic extinction event, which was the most serious in Earth's history, is according to wikipedia associated with a rise in temperature of 8°C. It lasted a thousand years or so and the Earth's biodiversity took two to ten million years to recover.

    A temperature rise of 10°C as a result of anthropogenic global warming was considered within the bounds of possibility ten to fifteen years ago: my impression is that the pessimistic and alarmist estimates are getting more likely. Things that might lead to feedback effects such as the Amazon and Siberia burning are happening.

    For human civilisation to adapt, a high degree of connectedness and coordination in trade networks will be required: people will need to transport raw materials about. The effects of rapid climate change are not going to make that easier.

    Probably people will still be alive. Whether there will be long-term prospects of staying alive is another matter. I think there is a non-zero chance that by then if nothing's done asap there'll be no hope for anything except the cockroaches.

  • People will probably still be alive. Whether or not they'll need coats is another matter.
  • Tubbs wrote: »
    After today’s shenanigans I would like to say that Boris Johnson is a total that word.

    This is beyond crap

    White’s Club, one of London’s best established gentlemen’s clubs has a “Shit of the year award”. I think the bookies have stopped taking bets for this year’s edition.
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    Tubbs wrote: »
    Less subtle, (nsfw).

    Well, Hell Hosts I checked the link so you don’t have too. Seriously, @Rossweisse don’t look
    Too late...

  • Tubbs wrote: »
    Tubbs wrote: »
    After today’s shenanigans I would like to say that Boris Johnson is a total that word.
    He's a Jeremy Hunt?

    Yes. But, frankly we need another ultimate swear because this one is just not strong enough


    I have heard it argued that a better term of abuse would be Cloaca.

    For the non-biological among you that is a combined urethra, vagina and anus. Found in lots of non-human species.

    For the classicists among you it derives from the Latin for sewer.

    The logic of it being worse than a c*nt appeals to me but I've never been quite convinced for one reason only which is that one of the rare conditions I look after is girls born with a cloaca, which requires surgical correction. In much the same way that I think c*nt is problematic not because it's crude but because it is so often misogynistic in it's use, it seems unfair to me to use a term that is also a medical condition. On the other hand, I have no problem describing Bor*s as a sewer. I mean, I don't think anyone can deny that he's a river of shit...

    So, I think, on balance I'll stick to Cockwomble. (With apologies to Orinoco and company).

    AFZ
  • Try Cloaca Maxima, the Great Sewer under Rome. No medical connotation there, and it shows the extent of the problem. Just a suggestion.
  • Though, the Romans built to last. Two and a half millennia later and it's still a functioning part of the sewer system of Rome. We don't want to give him any ideas for how long he can stay in power and the public eye.

    Maybe Cloacina, the Roman goddess who presided over the sewers. A Roman goddess who has disappeared into obscurity, which is where we all want him to be asap.
  • I could go for that, @Alan Cresswell .
  • AthrawesAthrawes Shipmate
    edited October 2019
    She had rats for followers/attendants - some accounts said she also had rats feet. Anyone seen Boris with his shoes off?
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    Athrawes wrote: »
    She had rats for followers/attendants - some accounts said she also had rats feet. Anyone seen Boris with his shoes off?

    I like rats very much - they don’t deserve the comparison.
  • Several ladies, if what we are told is true...
    :grimace:
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    Several ladies, if what we are told is true...
    :grimace:
    Perhaps he doesn't take his socks off! 🤢

  • AndrasAndras Shipmate
    Apparently Downing Street are now floating the suggestion that Piffle will refuse to quit even if HM tells him to, on the grounds that she is obliged to follow his advice.

    I doubt if he'd get away with it, but it shows the nature of the waters we're now in.
  • Well it's on a par with Trump refusing to cooperate with impeachment proceedings...
  • There must surely come a point when the forces of law and order simply march in, and arrest the bastard(s).

    May that exquisite moment be not long delayed...
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Though, the Romans built to last. Two and a half millennia later and it's still a functioning part of the sewer system of Rome. We don't want to give him any ideas for how long he can stay in power and the public eye.

    Maybe Cloacina, the Roman goddess who presided over the sewers. A Roman goddess who has disappeared into obscurity, which is where we all want him to be asap.

    Who was it wrote: I must be off, sweet Cloacina calls. Let not my offerings too quickly drop, nor yet too obdurate be. It's very appropriate for BJ, but I can't think of the author.
  • TubbsTubbs Admin
    edited October 2019
    Rossweisse wrote: »
    Tubbs wrote: »
    Less subtle, (nsfw).

    Well, Hell Hosts I checked the link so you don’t have too. Seriously, @Rossweisse don’t look
    Too late...

    Sorry. I was so cross yesterday I forgot who was minding this part of the Ship.
  • Tubbs wrote: »
    Rossweisse wrote: »
    Tubbs wrote: »
    Less subtle, (nsfw).

    Well, Hell Hosts I checked the link so you don’t have too. Seriously, @Rossweisse don’t look
    Too late...

    Sorry. I was so cross yesterday I forgot who was minding this part of the Ship.

    Can someone explain for the slow-of-thinking (me) what is @Rossweisse's particular sensitivity? I am just being curious.... I assume it's public knowledge? Obviously if not, just tell me to F' Off.

    AFZ
  • Eutychus wrote: »

    Ahh yes, thank you. I remember that thread now.
  • I think extreme weather events are going to increase markedly and that death rates from them will slowly rise. I believe climate pressure on agriculture will cause increased migrant flows, and thousands more dying trying to cross the Mediterranean ocean and elsewhere.

    I think if we don’t avoid the tipping point the world will be a lot more dangerous place in 2070.

    I think it is more important than a coat.

    That's not the same as uninhabitable though. Compared to uninhabitable that's a fucking paradise.
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