Ichabod (which may mean the glory has departed...)
Ain't that the truth...
BTW, I would rather resent having to pay (via taxes) for Piffleglum to stay in prison for life. I'm sure some other suitable means of Punishment, and Retribution, could be found.
How about exile? Preferably to somewhere not covered by the British taxpayer? After all, he's probably rich enough that he could live off his accumulated wealth for the rest of his days.
How about exile? Preferably to somewhere not covered by the British taxpayer? After all, he's probably rich enough that he could live off his accumulated wealth for the rest of his days.
I seem to recall that popular speculation has it that ABdPJ is not actually all that wealthy by the standards of his class because while he has a ludicrously high income he, to coin a phrase, spaffs it up the wall. Certainly the child support payments for his sundry offspring must add up to a tidy sum.
I would accept it if the maintenance payments went to a small island in need of a budget boost like St Helena or one of the Caribbean overseas territories.
If Trump and Johnson were exiled together, who would supply the sycophantic adoration?
Well we had a businessman standing unsuccessfully for Mayor in the local council elections here who said he admired Trump's economic policies (although not his personality). He also said he would reduce rates by not funding cycleways when they are actually funded by central Government, not the Council. I think he could be a starter.
This man is a petulant infant. He is also running the country. I would like to point out that, essentially, all Brexit debate belongs in here because he is steering us to hell for his own political gain and those who should be pointing this out, i.e. journalists and widely published analysts, seem to be conspiring with him by not pointing this out.
Fuck the lot of them, but fuck Bozo particularly hard, with a long succession of rusty farm implements.
This man is a petulant infant. He is also running the country. I would like to point out that, essentially, all Brexit debate belongs in here because he is steering us to hell for his own political gain and those who should be pointing this out, i.e. journalists and widely published analysts, seem to be conspiring with him by not pointing this out.
Fuck the lot of them, but fuck Bozo particularly hard, with a long succession of rusty farm implements.
The failure of our media is deeply troubling but yeah I don't think there can be any doubt that Mr Johnson has but one vision for our country. It's a blond, floppy-haired vision. The only thing he cares about is being Prime Minister and to hell with whatever consequences come from the horrendous compromises with fantasy and fantasists he has to make to ensure that end.
I think the contrast with May is interesting. I think she clearly believed in the Conservative Party above all else - in the mistaken belief that what was good for the Conservative party was necessarily good for the UK. I don't Bor*s even gets that far... He just believes in Boris.
The extreme lack of quality of reporting and commentary that allows him to get away with this is tragic. As has been pointed out again today, too many political reporters, knowing that they will only get access in return for favourable comment pass on and report without context, explanation and criticism the most outrageous of lies.
My respect for May grows with every day Johnson is in power. Many people I know hoped she would oppose his Bill, in a tit for that after the way he treated her. It is to her credit, in my humble o, that she spoke up in favour of it.
Labour have said he was behaving like a spoiled brat not signing the
letter. I agree. Well the court case in Scotland restarts today. That could be interesting
Labour have said he was behaving like a spoiled brat not signing the
letter. I agree. Well the court case in Scotland restarts today. That could be interesting
A really good summary by a lawyer on where we are with this. He thinks (FWIW) that Johnson is ok because the second letter was political theatre only - mostly for media consumption rather than achieving anything meaningful.
The most important thing will be whether they finish today or adjourn again to maintain the watching-brief on the Prime Minister. The legal team are asking for this.
The speculation (and, nowt more than that) is that the Court of Session could say that the unsigned letter is good enough to abide by the Benn Act, but that the manner of it's delivery (unsigned, with the political theatre of the accompanying letter) is contemptuous of Parliament and the Court. If he's found in contempt of court, would that be enough to allow his constituents to instigate a recall petition?
... If he's found in contempt of court, would that be enough to allow his constituents to instigate a recall petition?
Would they though, even if he were?
I'm beginning to wonder if some elements of the British electorate are becoming like their counterparts in the US, who will forgive their Dear Leader anything.
I sometimes think Boorish has done a deal with the devil. As someone on the Ship said he always falls up. I hope Parliament take their time. This is too important to rush.
... If he's found in contempt of court, would that be enough to allow his constituents to instigate a recall petition?
Would they though, even if he were?
He also promised to lie in front of a bulldozer... (and granted anything he could do as a foreign secretary is minimal, as PM they might expect more)
(although I thought Uxbridge was remain and it was farily brexity)
It only takes 10% of the electorate in his constituency to sign a recall petition to trigger a by-election. Surely, there'd be at least that many.
Though, I don't think a contempt of court judgement would carry a custodial sentence.
Contempt of court is a civil matter not a criminal one. It's where a person finds themselves if a court orders them to do something and they don't obey it The teeth in the order is that the judge has power to commit to prison for contempt. The person then purges their contempt by complying. If they don't comply, they stay in prison until they do.
I don't have the misfortune to be in Mr de Pfeffel Johnson's constituency. If I did, though, I'd gladly sign.
I thought Uxbridge was remain and it was fairly brexity
For years I thought Uxbridge was an imaginary place, invented by "I'm sorry I haven't a clue." I envisaged it populated by Samantha and the varied men in her life. The discovery that Uxbridge actually exists in real life and is in fact populated by the sort of people who voted for Boris has made it seem more, rather than less, surreal.
I think it is just me who fails to see the charisma of Boorish. I never have. He is not an eccentric, he is not a lovable rogue. He is a scheming bastard who would smile while stabbing you in the back. Please tell me what others see in him.
I found the actual terms and arguments of his opening speech on Saturday quite compelling. The really insiduous problem is that clearly, he doesn't actually believe a word he's saying.
I used to think the same about Knotty Ash, Cricklewood and Bognor Regis. I have learned that there is no name so absurd that the place doesn't exist.
I grew up in Somerset, home to (among others) Charlton Mackerel, Shepton Mallet, Compton Pauncefoot and Middle Chinnock. No place name is too unlikely as far as I am concerned.
I think it is just me who fails to see the charisma of Boorish. I never have. He is not an eccentric, he is not a lovable rogue. He is a scheming bastard who would smile while stabbing you in the back. Please tell me what others see in him.
No. It's not just you. I find his complacent self-satisfaction and pervasive assumption of entitlement repulsive. It's not very Christian to say this, but the antipathy he arouses in me is visceral to a degree that I almost find disturbs me.
And @Eutychus he seems to be so unable or not to care about the difference between truth and falsehood that I reckon the only approach to take is to assume that everything he says is a lie, false, unpersuasive and dishonest unless it can be confirmed by a minimum of two trustworthy and totally independent witnesses without any sort of investment in what he says being true.
As for what he says he will do in the future, remember it so as to hold him to it, but assume he won't do it. His word is not his bond.
Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson (as I commented here) is a Bullshitter
In this context, bullshitter is a specific term. I really like that term of art because it's a helpful distinction from the liar. A liar will cultivate and craft a lie to deceive and try to construct a story that will be believed.
A bullshitter will say whatever they need to at that particular moment. They do not care if it's true or not. They do not care if it is undermined by even the most basic knowledge of the facts. They do not care if it contradicts something they have said before. They only care that it serves the immediate purpose. Here's an example of Boris' bullshit from the 2017 campaign.
I think part of the problem is that honest people (which to some extent is most of the population) struggle with blatant liars. Deep down, honest people would never tell bare-faced lies in the way someone like Bor*s does and thus on a subconscious level struggle to believe that anyone would. It is, I think, a natural bias to believe people in the absence of a reason not to.
Hence the confident, blustering liar (or bullshitter in this case) will so often be believed.
I think it is just me who fails to see the charisma of Boorish. I never have. He is not an eccentric, he is not a lovable rogue. He is a scheming bastard who would smile while stabbing you in the back. Please tell me what others see in him.
You omitted the way he has with women. Married twice, divorced once, booted out by his second wife, a child by another and now with Carrie Symonds, former Tory aide, who may (or may not) be with him in Downing Street.
btw, his parliamentary majority is some 5,000 in a seat with an electorate of about 70,000. The boundaries may change at a future election. It's not safe by any means.
Technically they can be members of the House of Lords, but it has been thought for some time (several decades) that that is no longer practical politics. IIRC the last person suggested for that was Lord Halifax in 1940.
Well, in this age of arcane precedents, it would come as no surprise to me to see Johnson pursing his function as PM as a member of The Other Place. Might even be a great way to avoid Question Time...
I think it is just me who fails to see the charisma of Boorish. I never have. He is not an eccentric, he is not a lovable rogue. He is a scheming bastard who would smile while stabbing you in the back. Please tell me what others see in him.
You omitted the way he has with women. Married twice, divorced once, booted out by his second wife, a child by another and now with Carrie Symonds, former Tory aide, who may (or may not) be with him in Downing Street.
btw, his parliamentary majority is some 5,000 in a seat with an electorate of about 70,000. The boundaries may change at a future election. It's not safe by any means.
According to Wikipedia, Alec Douglas-Home was PM without being either an MP or a Lord for 20 days in 1963, until he could be parachuted into a convenient by-election safe seat.
I think it is just me who fails to see the charisma of Boorish. I never have. He is not an eccentric, he is not a lovable rogue. He is a scheming bastard who would smile while stabbing you in the back. Please tell me what others see in him.
You omitted the way he has with women. Married twice, divorced once, booted out by his second wife, a child by another and now with Carrie Symonds, former Tory aide, who may (or may not) be with him in Downing Street.
btw, his parliamentary majority is some 5,000 in a seat with an electorate of about 70,000. The boundaries may change at a future election. It's not safe by any means.
I add your suggestion to my previous statement
I'm sure there's more, such as ordering a handful of buses from firm that has now gone out of business and proposing that cyclists should be permitted to ride the wrong way down a one-way street.
... If he's found in contempt of court, would that be enough to allow his constituents to instigate a recall petition?
Would they though, even if he were?
I'm beginning to wonder if some elements of the British electorate are becoming like their counterparts in the US, who will forgive their Dear Leader anything.
I do hope I'm wrong.
My social media feed suggests that you're correct. Boris has an uncanny ability to make compete and utter nonsense sound plausible to his target audience. Very much like Farage. Both strike me as total spivs.
Technically the pm is appointed by the Queen with exercise of the royal perogative - so she can pick whomever she likes, in practice she picks a person identified as commanding the confidence of the HoC (identified by the previous prime minister).
... If he's found in contempt of court, would that be enough to allow his constituents to instigate a recall petition?
Would they though, even if he were?
I'm beginning to wonder if some elements of the British electorate are becoming like their counterparts in the US, who will forgive their Dear Leader anything.
I do hope I'm wrong.
My social media feed suggests that you're correct. Boris has an uncanny ability to make compete and utter nonsense sound plausible to his target audience. Very much like Farage. Both strike me as total spivs.
It comes down to their cunning to know the kind of thing they know will instinctively appeal to certain kinds of voter; and then to dispense with the filters of conscience and principle which would otherwise prevent them from saying those things, because they know those things to be either lies, or partial truths predicated on false assumptions.
Had they restricted themselves to facts and considered argument (in the Leave campaign itself) they couldn't have attracted the following they wanted, because there would have had to be some equivocation or admission of the complexity and potential difficulties of the task of Leaving. It was only when they committed themselves to dumping conscientious debate and political integrity could they make the noises needed to get enough numbers of board for the vote; fully acknowledging, as they must have done that within those numbers would be many people reading into their words, approval and sanction for scapegoating foreign nationals and the EU itself.
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Ichabod (which may mean the glory has departed...)
Ain't that the truth...
BTW, I would rather resent having to pay (via taxes) for Piffleglum to stay in prison for life. I'm sure some other suitable means of Punishment, and Retribution, could be found.
I seem to recall that popular speculation has it that ABdPJ is not actually all that wealthy by the standards of his class because while he has a ludicrously high income he, to coin a phrase, spaffs it up the wall. Certainly the child support payments for his sundry offspring must add up to a tidy sum.
St Kilda? Though Scotland might object, come to think of it.
They might cancel each other out.
True, although His Imperial Majesty at least had some talent, and abilities. He may have misused them, but...
No. Use him to establish an exclusive economic zone around Rockall. And blast out Flanders and Swann on repeat all day and night.
I'm sure they can adore each other. Each would think they were looking at themselves.
Well we had a businessman standing unsuccessfully for Mayor in the local council elections here who said he admired Trump's economic policies (although not his personality). He also said he would reduce rates by not funding cycleways when they are actually funded by central Government, not the Council. I think he could be a starter.
Fuck the lot of them, but fuck Bozo particularly hard, with a long succession of rusty farm implements.
The failure of our media is deeply troubling but yeah I don't think there can be any doubt that Mr Johnson has but one vision for our country. It's a blond, floppy-haired vision. The only thing he cares about is being Prime Minister and to hell with whatever consequences come from the horrendous compromises with fantasy and fantasists he has to make to ensure that end.
I think the contrast with May is interesting. I think she clearly believed in the Conservative Party above all else - in the mistaken belief that what was good for the Conservative party was necessarily good for the UK. I don't Bor*s even gets that far... He just believes in Boris.
The extreme lack of quality of reporting and commentary that allows him to get away with this is tragic. As has been pointed out again today, too many political reporters, knowing that they will only get access in return for favourable comment pass on and report without context, explanation and criticism the most outrageous of lies.
AFZ
letter. I agree. Well the court case in Scotland restarts today. That could be interesting
https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1185820413718421504
A really good summary by a lawyer on where we are with this. He thinks (FWIW) that Johnson is ok because the second letter was political theatre only - mostly for media consumption rather than achieving anything meaningful.
The most important thing will be whether they finish today or adjourn again to maintain the watching-brief on the Prime Minister. The legal team are asking for this.
AFZ
I'm beginning to wonder if some elements of the British electorate are becoming like their counterparts in the US, who will forgive their Dear Leader anything.
I do hope I'm wrong.
Though, I don't think a contempt of court judgement would carry a custodial sentence.
He also promised to lie in front of a bulldozer... (and granted anything he could do as a foreign secretary is minimal, as PM they might expect more)
(although I thought Uxbridge was remain and it was farily brexity)
I don't have the misfortune to be in Mr de Pfeffel Johnson's constituency. If I did, though, I'd gladly sign.
I thought Uxbridge was remain and it was fairly brexity
For years I thought Uxbridge was an imaginary place, invented by "I'm sorry I haven't a clue." I envisaged it populated by Samantha and the varied men in her life. The discovery that Uxbridge actually exists in real life and is in fact populated by the sort of people who voted for Boris has made it seem more, rather than less, surreal.
// End tangent.
I grew up in Somerset, home to (among others) Charlton Mackerel, Shepton Mallet, Compton Pauncefoot and Middle Chinnock. No place name is too unlikely as far as I am concerned.
And @Eutychus he seems to be so unable or not to care about the difference between truth and falsehood that I reckon the only approach to take is to assume that everything he says is a lie, false, unpersuasive and dishonest unless it can be confirmed by a minimum of two trustworthy and totally independent witnesses without any sort of investment in what he says being true.
As for what he says he will do in the future, remember it so as to hold him to it, but assume he won't do it. His word is not his bond.
I see nothing but a childish, bullying narcissist.
In this context, bullshitter is a specific term. I really like that term of art because it's a helpful distinction from the liar. A liar will cultivate and craft a lie to deceive and try to construct a story that will be believed.
A bullshitter will say whatever they need to at that particular moment. They do not care if it's true or not. They do not care if it is undermined by even the most basic knowledge of the facts. They do not care if it contradicts something they have said before. They only care that it serves the immediate purpose. Here's an example of Boris' bullshit from the 2017 campaign.
I think part of the problem is that honest people (which to some extent is most of the population) struggle with blatant liars. Deep down, honest people would never tell bare-faced lies in the way someone like Bor*s does and thus on a subconscious level struggle to believe that anyone would. It is, I think, a natural bias to believe people in the absence of a reason not to.
Hence the confident, blustering liar (or bullshitter in this case) will so often be believed.
That is Mr Johnson's route to success.
AFZ
You omitted the way he has with women. Married twice, divorced once, booted out by his second wife, a child by another and now with Carrie Symonds, former Tory aide, who may (or may not) be with him in Downing Street.
btw, his parliamentary majority is some 5,000 in a seat with an electorate of about 70,000. The boundaries may change at a future election. It's not safe by any means.
I add your suggestion to my previous statement
I'm sure there's more, such as ordering a handful of buses from firm that has now gone out of business and proposing that cyclists should be permitted to ride the wrong way down a one-way street.
My social media feed suggests that you're correct. Boris has an uncanny ability to make compete and utter nonsense sound plausible to his target audience. Very much like Farage. Both strike me as total spivs.
It comes down to their cunning to know the kind of thing they know will instinctively appeal to certain kinds of voter; and then to dispense with the filters of conscience and principle which would otherwise prevent them from saying those things, because they know those things to be either lies, or partial truths predicated on false assumptions.
Had they restricted themselves to facts and considered argument (in the Leave campaign itself) they couldn't have attracted the following they wanted, because there would have had to be some equivocation or admission of the complexity and potential difficulties of the task of Leaving. It was only when they committed themselves to dumping conscientious debate and political integrity could they make the noises needed to get enough numbers of board for the vote; fully acknowledging, as they must have done that within those numbers would be many people reading into their words, approval and sanction for scapegoating foreign nationals and the EU itself.