It is like one party accusing the other party of hitting their wife while in fact doing it to their own. The only president that has come close to the Kremlin in a long time is Mr. Trump. Thank God he is on the way out.
Roger Stone claiming that North Koreans were shipping pro-BIDEN ballots into the US was especially laughable, given that Trump has a closer relationship to the DPRK's leadership than any sitting president ever, or indeed the vast majority of western leaders.
You can find similar articles by duckduckgoing the relevant search words, eg. "Roger Stone ballots North Korea Maine". Though they won't tell you much more than what has already been posted here, beyond that the allegations were made on the Alex Jones Show, which fits with the general weirdness of it all.
And I think I can say with some assurance that when it comes to anti-Communist emigres, the perception is even stronger. I know leftists think Kennedy was an imperialist scumbag for trying to invade Cuba, but I've also heard right-wing Miami exiles say that the reason the Bay Of Pigs failed was because "Kennedy was a little pink".
Mate, you are adopting my argument. Have a look at the course of our discussion on this issue.
So, I know of one President who left office with a large popular following: Teddy Roosevelt. Is his example the only one we can look to, or are there others?
From the sounds of it, Trump will be going to Florida to have an extravagant paryt while Biden takes an oath. Anyone want to guess who will have a super spreader?
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Well, T did start Space Force, and his vaccine project (such as it is) is Operation: Warp Speed...
No, I don't believe what the Israeli guy said. But I think maybe he did say it, and perhaps believes it.
Half-seriously: there seem to have been more UFO reports in the news over maybe the last couple of years. As in, I take a look at a regular news site, and there's coverage. Plus rumblings of Astronaut X said this or that, etc.
If there is anybody out there, I'm sure not ready to meet them. Most of the people in the world aren't ready meet them, IMVHO. And with the current state of Life, The Universe, And Everything...our problems would get exponentially worse, "to infinity and beyond".
Any space alien who saw our current mess might well take us over; take pity on us and help us--in *their* understanding of what's best for us; or destroy humans, in order to let Earth itself recover from us.
I think we can take a pass on First Contact for a good long while.
If the space aliens told him he's the bestest, bigliest, bossest human ever, he might be willing to get involved with them. OR if he thought he could persuade them of the above, go with them, take over, and be a WINNER!
Of course, then he'd probably come back, and try to take over Earth. I wonder if we could get away with just not answering the door?
And Trump refuses to attend the White House Staff Christmas Party (which is no doubt a superspreader) all because he did not get his way with the Texas lawsuit. Poor crybaby. Loser.
And Trump refuses to attend the White House Staff Christmas Party (which is no doubt a superspreader) all because he did not get his way with the Texas lawsuit. Poor crybaby. Loser.
Ronald Ryan, the last person executed in Victoria, fished my Uncle out of a creek when he was a kid. Have I said that before? I feel like I have said this before...
Ronald Ryan, the last person executed in Victoria, fished my Uncle out of a creek when he was a kid. Have I said that before? I feel like I have said this before...
Maybe you have, but I don't think I saw it, so thanks. Cool story.
Was Ryan's crime the kind that would sorta spook someone who had the life-and-death connection to him that your uncle did?
(And yes, I realize all murder is wrong, but emotionally I think we make a pretty big distiction between, say, Albert Fish, who cooked and ate children, and on the other hand, a mafioso who guns down another mafioso as part of an ongoing turf war.)
Ronald Ryan, the last person executed in Victoria, fished my Uncle out of a creek when he was a kid. Have I said that before? I feel like I have said this before...
Maybe you have, but I don't think I saw it, so thanks. Cool story.
Was Ryan's crime the kind that would sorta spook someone who had the life-and-death connection to him that your uncle did?
(And yes, I realize all murder is wrong, but emotionally I think we make a pretty big distiction between, say, Albert Fish, who cooked and ate children, and on the other hand, a mafioso who guns down another mafioso as part of an ongoing turf war.)
If anyone were thinking of looking up the story of Fish, I would suggest, having just done so, that you don't.
Ronald Ryan, the last person executed in Victoria, fished my Uncle out of a creek when he was a kid. Have I said that before? I feel like I have said this before...
Maybe you have, but I don't think I saw it, so thanks. Cool story.
Was Ryan's crime the kind that would sorta spook someone who had the life-and-death connection to him that your uncle did?
(And yes, I realize all murder is wrong, but emotionally I think we make a pretty big distiction between, say, Albert Fish, who cooked and ate children, and on the other hand, a mafioso who guns down another mafioso as part of an ongoing turf war.)
If anyone were thinking of looking up the story of Fish, I would suggest, having just done so, that you don't.
Well, I figured my summation of his crimes would be enough to let people know what sort of details to expect from further research. But yeah, just to be clear, he was about as bad as it gets.
Ronald Ryan, the last person executed in Victoria, fished my Uncle out of a creek when he was a kid. Have I said that before? I feel like I have said this before...
Maybe you have, but I don't think I saw it, so thanks. Cool story.
Was Ryan's crime the kind that would sorta spook someone who had the life-and-death connection to him that your uncle did?
(And yes, I realize all murder is wrong, but emotionally I think we make a pretty big distiction between, say, Albert Fish, who cooked and ate children, and on the other hand, a mafioso who guns down another mafioso as part of an ongoing turf war.)
Ryan married my Grandma's cousin, and they used to meet at family occasions, including the occasion when my Uncle got into strife. Ryan was in jail, I'm not sure for what crime when he tried to escape and a prison guard was shot and killed. He hung for that. Ryan's was a cause celebre at the time, and for many years thereafter. There are plays and other works of fiction about him, and many believe he did not shoot the guard.
My Grandmother and all her family shunned Ryan. I did not find out about the connection until after my Grandmother died. My Mum told me the story after I told her that I had been to see a play about Ryan at some time in the 1990's. I was kind of mad about not knowing because when I was in Grade three I asked my Mum if we were related to anyone famous, and all she told me about was a relative who's name was on a bridge across the Yarra River. It was for a school project, and I missed out on heaps of playground cred by not knowing my connection to a killer!
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in the UK (BBC News that a Trump supporter has made a speech in which he said 'If it comes to a civil war,we have the guns.' That sounds well-nigh treasonable to a Brit, but does it come under 'freedon of speech in the USA?
With less than 37 days left in office Trump has decided to fire Attorney General Bill Barr (though it's possible Barr decided to resign).
William Barr will be leaving his role as attorney general, President Donald Trump tweeted on Monday evening.
"Just had a very nice meeting with Attorney General Bill Barr at the White House. Our relationship has been a very good one, he has done an outstanding job! As per letter, Bill will be leaving just before Christmas to spend the holidays with his family," Trump tweeted.
I guess "spend more time with his family" is such an evergreen political cliché even Trump will use it. Here's the tweet in question, because that's how policy decisions are announced these days.
There were rumblings about Barr a couple days ago. The interpretation seemed to be that he might quit; but, given his ex-boss's track record...
I wonder if T's tone is cordial because Barr might know some things that T doesn't want publicized? Or testified about?
Oh, I just found the letter T mentioned. It's attached to the second part of the tweet, or you can go directly to it here (Twitter image). the print is tiny, and I'm having problems boosting the size. So I'm still wading through it, but the first couple of paragraphs are good. The first seems to be saying "it's over, get with the program, and help put the country back together"--or it could be saying "you won, and we need to restore faith in democracy by making sure you take back the White House".
I read it. It basically says, "You are wonderful (kiss, kiss), you have saved the Universe yet again (kiss, kiss), and here's a page of why you are the bestest President ever, in spite of everybody being so incomprehensibly mean to you, and (next page, two line paragraph) here's the letter tendering my resignation "as discussed" in our meeting, and have a merry Christmas."
One of the puzzling things about Trump is the way his adherents seem to regard him as some kind of tough guy, despite the fact that he's the biggest self-pitying, whiny crybaby in American politics since at least Nixon's concession speech after losing the California governor's race in 1962. ("You won't have Nixon to kick around anymore".)
Though I guess we can't say we weren't warned.
We’re going to whine. We’re going to whine so much. We’re going to whine at trade, we’re going to whine at the border. We’re going to whine so much, you’re going to be so sick and tired of whining, you’re going to come to me and go ‘Please, please, we can’t whine anymore.’ You’ve heard this one. You’ll say ‘Please, Mr. President, we beg you sir, we don’t want to whine anymore. It’s too much. It’s not fair to everybody else.’ And I’m going to say ‘I’m sorry, but we’re going to keep whining, whining, whining, We’re going to make America great again.
Trump still seems to be planning more rallies. In the past, he has had some trouble with musicians about using their songs as his entry theme. But I think that this Beatles song would suit him well.
The writer does a pretty good job of trying to understand (even maybe respect) people with views different from his own. I suppose it's possible he's being deeply sarcastic. I haven't compared any of his other articles. But it reads to me like someone who massively disagrees, but is trying to understand.
An alternate take is that Bill Barr during his second stint as attorney general was just as much a partisan Republican footsoldier as he was the first time around and Trump is the apotheosis of what Barr believes a Republican president* should be.
A reminder of how his first tenure as attorney general ended:
On Christmas Eve, on advice from Barr, Bush pardoned six men involved in the Iran-Contra crimes. Four of them already had been convicted. One of the others was Weinberger, who had not yet gone on trial, and who now never would. Special counsel Walsh went into orbit, but there was nothing he could do. Bush’s pardon power was absolute, even in the case of the preemptive pardon of Weinberger, over whom Walsh no longer had any leverage. It was the final act in the Iran-Contra cover-up, and William Barr left the office of Attorney General for the first time with those pardons hanging over his head. So now he’s gone again, like a crow leaving the Capitol. Some men walk with giants. William Barr walked behind giants. With a shovel.
Rather than ponder why Bill Barr returned to the attorney general job like a dog returning to its vomit a better question is why he was ever considered a "respected conservative" in the first place? The way the American political media is willing to launder the reputations of right wing cranks, crooks, bagmen, toadies, and grifters is truly astonishing.
I am wondering how soon this whole thread will disappear into Oblivian.
I am wondering how soon this whole "presidency" will disappear into oblivion!
If I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath in anticipation. It seems likely that the incoming management will find itself confronted with all sorts of legal messes to clean up, and we're likely be reading about these for many months (perhaps years) to come. If we've learned nothing else about His Dishonor, it's the stuff he didn't announce or seek attention and approbation for which is probably most damaging to our Body Politic. It will probably take years to straighten it all out -- assuming it can be.
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Roger Stone claiming that North Koreans were shipping pro-BIDEN ballots into the US was especially laughable, given that Trump has a closer relationship to the DPRK's leadership than any sitting president ever, or indeed the vast majority of western leaders.
You can find similar articles by duckduckgoing the relevant search words, eg. "Roger Stone ballots North Korea Maine". Though they won't tell you much more than what has already been posted here, beyond that the allegations were made on the Alex Jones Show, which fits with the general weirdness of it all.
Mate, you are adopting my argument. Have a look at the course of our discussion on this issue.
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Just. Wow.
You can tell it's a fake because I can't believe T would keep his mouth shut just to prevent mass hysteria. That and his Star Trek flag.
I need that rolling eyes emoji back, desperately.
No, I don't believe what the Israeli guy said. But I think maybe he did say it, and perhaps believes it.
Half-seriously: there seem to have been more UFO reports in the news over maybe the last couple of years. As in, I take a look at a regular news site, and there's coverage. Plus rumblings of Astronaut X said this or that, etc.
If there is anybody out there, I'm sure not ready to meet them. Most of the people in the world aren't ready meet them, IMVHO. And with the current state of Life, The Universe, And Everything...our problems would get exponentially worse, "to infinity and beyond".
Any space alien who saw our current mess might well take us over; take pity on us and help us--in *their* understanding of what's best for us; or destroy humans, in order to let Earth itself recover from us.
I think we can take a pass on First Contact for a good long while.
Of course, then he'd probably come back, and try to take over Earth. I wonder if we could get away with just not answering the door?
So he's surrendered in the War on Christmas?
Aye, this has got to stop. I hate to think the blood of any one's life is on my hands.
So much for ‘pro life’. 😢
@Gramps49 - the blood isn't on your hands, surely, but on the hands of those who pass judgement and sentence?
IIRC, you recently said something about a relative having some connection to him.
Maybe you have, but I don't think I saw it, so thanks. Cool story.
Was Ryan's crime the kind that would sorta spook someone who had the life-and-death connection to him that your uncle did?
(And yes, I realize all murder is wrong, but emotionally I think we make a pretty big distiction between, say, Albert Fish, who cooked and ate children, and on the other hand, a mafioso who guns down another mafioso as part of an ongoing turf war.)
On the other hand Britain will then be even more officially screwed.
If anyone were thinking of looking up the story of Fish, I would suggest, having just done so, that you don't.
Well, I figured my summation of his crimes would be enough to let people know what sort of details to expect from further research. But yeah, just to be clear, he was about as bad as it gets.
Ryan married my Grandma's cousin, and they used to meet at family occasions, including the occasion when my Uncle got into strife. Ryan was in jail, I'm not sure for what crime when he tried to escape and a prison guard was shot and killed. He hung for that. Ryan's was a cause celebre at the time, and for many years thereafter. There are plays and other works of fiction about him, and many believe he did not shoot the guard.
My Grandmother and all her family shunned Ryan. I did not find out about the connection until after my Grandmother died. My Mum told me the story after I told her that I had been to see a play about Ryan at some time in the 1990's. I was kind of mad about not knowing because when I was in Grade three I asked my Mum if we were related to anyone famous, and all she told me about was a relative who's name was on a bridge across the Yarra River. It was for a school project, and I missed out on heaps of playground cred by not knowing my connection to a killer!
in the UK (BBC News that a Trump supporter has made a speech in which he said 'If it comes to a civil war,we have the guns.' That sounds well-nigh treasonable to a Brit, but does it come under 'freedon of speech in the USA?
I guess "spend more time with his family" is such an evergreen political cliché even Trump will use it. Here's the tweet in question, because that's how policy decisions are announced these days.
I wonder if T's tone is cordial because Barr might know some things that T doesn't want publicized? Or testified about?
Oh, I just found the letter T mentioned. It's attached to the second part of the tweet, or you can go directly to it here (Twitter image). the print is tiny, and I'm having problems boosting the size. So I'm still wading through it, but the first couple of paragraphs are good. The first seems to be saying "it's over, get with the program, and help put the country back together"--or it could be saying "you won, and we need to restore faith in democracy by making sure you take back the White House".
Weirdest resignation letter I've ever read.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1338637597892112385
Though I guess we can't say we weren't warned.
Maybe I'm mis-remembering that quote.
I don't know, but whatever it is it will make America grate again.
Just read an interesting opinion piece at The Daily Beast:
"Why Bill Barr Did It All for Donald Trump: Why did a formerly respected conservative sell his soul to an amoral troll? Because his soul was at stake."
The writer does a pretty good job of trying to understand (even maybe respect) people with views different from his own. I suppose it's possible he's being deeply sarcastic. I haven't compared any of his other articles. But it reads to me like someone who massively disagrees, but is trying to understand.
FWIW, YMMV.
An alternate take is that Bill Barr during his second stint as attorney general was just as much a partisan Republican footsoldier as he was the first time around and Trump is the apotheosis of what Barr believes a Republican president* should be.
A reminder of how his first tenure as attorney general ended:
Rather than ponder why Bill Barr returned to the attorney general job like a dog returning to its vomit a better question is why he was ever considered a "respected conservative" in the first place? The way the American political media is willing to launder the reputations of right wing cranks, crooks, bagmen, toadies, and grifters is truly astonishing.
I am wondering how soon this whole "presidency" will disappear into oblivion!
(I know Biden's Inauguration is five weeks from today, but will that be the end?)
If I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath in anticipation. It seems likely that the incoming management will find itself confronted with all sorts of legal messes to clean up, and we're likely be reading about these for many months (perhaps years) to come. If we've learned nothing else about His Dishonor, it's the stuff he didn't announce or seek attention and approbation for which is probably most damaging to our Body Politic. It will probably take years to straighten it all out -- assuming it can be.
We can't fix what we don't yet know is broken.