I am wondering how soon this whole thread will disappear into Oblivian.
I am wondering how soon this whole "presidency" will disappear into oblivion!
If I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath in anticipation. It seems likely that the incoming management will find itself confronted with all sorts of legal messes to clean up, and we're likely be reading about these for many months (perhaps years) to come. If we've learned nothing else about His Dishonor, it's the stuff he didn't announce or seek attention and approbation for which is probably most damaging to our Body Politic. It will probably take years to straighten it all out -- assuming it can be.
We can't fix what we don't yet know is broken.
The die hard Red Hats aren't going to slink quietly away ... If anything, they are more p*ssed off and fired up than before ... If they had simmering grievances before, oh my stars and garters, look out ...
The die hard Red Hats aren't going to slink quietly away ... If anything, they are more p*ssed off and fired up than before ... If they had simmering grievances before, oh my stars and garters, look out ...
Are you perhaps Samantha Stevens from "Bewitched"? She was fond of saying "oh, my stars and garters".
Based on the internet searches I've just been doing, her line was "Oh, my stars!", sans garters.
The version with "garters" sounds a little too faux-upper class for Samantha, who, unlike her vaguely aristocratic parents, always had the demeanour of an All-American girl.
The verbal tic of Samantha's that I remember best was her up-talked "Well...?", when caught in an embarrassing situation, eg. Darren finds out she turned Mr. Tate into a pig or something.
(No, I wasn't obsessed with that show as a kid or anything. Nothing like that. No siree.)
Are you perhaps Samantha Stevens from "Bewitched"? She was fond of saying "oh, my stars and garters".
Based on the internet searches I've just been doing, her line was "Oh, my stars!", sans garters.
The version with "garters" sounds a little too faux-upper class for Samantha, who, unlike her vaguely aristocratic parents, always had the demeanour of an All-American girl.
The verbal tic of Samantha's that I remember best was her up-talked "Well...?", when caught in an embarrassing situation, eg. Darren finds out she turned Mr. Tate into a pig or something.
(No, I wasn't obsessed with that show as a kid or anything. Nothing like that. No siree.)
Are you perhaps Samantha Stevens from "Bewitched"? She was fond of saying "oh, my stars and garters".
LOL ... My grandchildren call me "Grandpa BigNose" ... If I ever managed to wiggle it as per Samantha, it could do serious damage ... So, no ... "I am not 'Herbert' ..."
It appears poor Donald might be homeless if he tries to make Mar a Logo his permanent residence. Turns out he signed an agreement with the residents of Palm Beach that he will not live there for more than three non-consecutive weeks at a time back when he purchased it in 1993. Story here,
Maybe he will have to move back to Trump Tower. You know, that building that is on Black Lives Matter Ave in NYC,
It appears poor Donald might be homeless if he tries to make Mar a Logo his permanent residence. Turns out he signed an agreement with the residents of Palm Beach that he will not live there for more than three non-consecutive weeks at a time back when he purchased it in 1993. Story here,
And as we all know, Donald Trump never ever goes back on an agreement or breaks a contract. He wouldn't dream of living permanently there and just lawyering up to keep the case in litigation for 20 years... 🙄
It appears poor Donald might be homeless if he tries to make Mar a Logo his permanent residence. Turns out he signed an agreement with the residents of Palm Beach that he will not live there for more than three non-consecutive weeks at a time back when he purchased it in 1993. Story here,
And as we all know, Donald Trump never ever goes back on an agreement or breaks a contract. He wouldn't dream of living permanently there and just lawyering up to keep the case in litigation for 20 years... 🙄
It appears poor Donald might be homeless if he tries to make Mar a Logo his permanent residence. Turns out he signed an agreement with the residents of Palm Beach that he will not live there for more than three non-consecutive weeks at a time back when he purchased it in 1993. Story here,
And as we all know, Donald Trump never ever goes back on an agreement or breaks a contract. He wouldn't dream of living permanently there and just lawyering up to keep the case in litigation for 20 years... 🙄
Of course, but Palm Beach I think is wealthy enough to out-lawyer him.
It appears poor Donald might be homeless if he tries to make Mar a Logo his permanent residence. Turns out he signed an agreement with the residents of Palm Beach that he will not live there for more than three non-consecutive weeks at a time back when he purchased it in 1993. Story here,
And as we all know, Donald Trump never ever goes back on an agreement or breaks a contract. He wouldn't dream of living permanently there and just lawyering up to keep the case in litigation for 20 years... 🙄
Of course, but Palm Beach I think is wealthy enough to out-lawyer him.
Real life is SO much more fascinating than any wild fiction ...
I do not care where he lives as long as I do not have to continue to see or hear what he is saying or doing ever again. One can only hope. I doubt the media will give up on covering him.
I do not care where he lives as long as I do not have to continue to see or hear what he is saying or doing ever again. One can only hope. I doubt the media will give up on covering him.
Early on, I switched the channel or turned it off as needed ...
It's too soon to start a civil war, and I would think Trump knows this. He needs a lot of corrupt judges and generals for that, file under Hitler. Also, I would say US society is not as broken down as Weimar. Whether or not some budding Gauleiters lurk in the wings, dunno. I suppose it's possible that Biden will exasperate people and play on their nerves, again, who knows.
It's too soon to start a civil war, and I would think Trump knows this. He needs a lot of corrupt judges and generals for that, file under Hitler. Also, I would say US society is not as broken down as Weimar. Whether or not some budding Gauleiters lurk in the wings, dunno. I suppose it's possible that Biden will exasperate people and play on their nerves, again, who knows.
For now quite a few years the Red Hats -- who predate Trump's ascension -- have been fulminating about "taking our country back" (from: the "Feds," gays and lesbians, "Liberals," atheists, IMMIGRANTS(!), brown people, "Socialists" and Globalists) ... Their grievances are many and long-standing ... and they are ARMED ...
It's too soon to start a civil war, and I would think Trump knows this. He needs a lot of corrupt judges and generals for that, file under Hitler. Also, I would say US society is not as broken down as Weimar. Whether or not some budding Gauleiters lurk in the wings, dunno. I suppose it's possible that Biden will exasperate people and play on their nerves, again, who knows.
For now quite a few years the Red Hats -- who predate Trump's ascension -- have been fulminating about "taking our country back" (from: the "Feds," gays and lesbians, "Liberals," atheists, IMMIGRANTS(!), brown people, "Socialists" and Globalists) ... Their grievances are many and long-standing ... and they are ARMED ...
Yes, but the military itself would not back a putsch. That takes considerable social breakdown as in Weimar, or a conspiracy, and I am assuming the US is not in that position. But Trump is a warning, surely?
Interesting that some historians judge that Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch taught him to tread a semi-legal route.
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That was my point quetz. He’s messed up the chain of command in the Pentagon, the first sign of which is stopping Biden briefings.
That was my point quetz. He’s messed up the chain of command in the Pentagon, the first sign of which is stopping Biden briefings.
I would say he has messed up the civilian control of the chain of command, but for the military side, the chain of command is still intact. He cannot remove the Joint Chiefs of Staff as easily as he can the civilian side. My bet is that the JoCS will quickly recognize Biden as the new CinC come 12:01 on 20 Jan 21
That was my point quetz. He’s messed up the chain of command in the Pentagon, the first sign of which is stopping Biden briefings.
I would say he has messed up the civilian control of the chain of command, but for the military side, the chain of command is still intact. He cannot remove the Joint Chiefs of Staff as easily as he can the civilian side. My bet is that the JoCS will quickly recognize Biden as the new CinC come 12:01 on 20 Jan 21
The Joint Chiefs of Staff have nothing to do with the chain of command. From their own website:
Today, the Joint Chiefs of Staff have no executive authority to command combatant forces. The issue of executive authority was clearly resolved by the Goldwater-Nichols DOD Reorganization Act of 1986: "The Secretaries of the Military Departments shall assign all forces under their jurisdiction to unified and specified combatant commands to perform missions assigned to those commands..."; the chain of command "runs from the President to the Secretary of Defense; and from the Secretary of Defense to the commander of the combatant command."
It's too soon to start a civil war, and I would think Trump knows this. He needs a lot of corrupt judges and generals for that, file under Hitler. Also, I would say US society is not as broken down as Weimar. Whether or not some budding Gauleiters lurk in the wings, dunno. I suppose it's possible that Biden will exasperate people and play on their nerves, again, who knows.
For now quite a few years the Red Hats -- who predate Trump's ascension -- have been fulminating about "taking our country back" (from: the "Feds," gays and lesbians, "Liberals," atheists, IMMIGRANTS(!), brown people, "Socialists" and Globalists) ... Their grievances are many and long-standing ... and they are ARMED ...
Yes, but the military itself would not back a putsch. That takes considerable social breakdown as in Weimar, or a conspiracy, and I am assuming the US is not in that position. But Trump is a warning, surely?
Interesting that some historians judge that Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch taught him to tread a semi-legal route.
As a reaction to the terribly mis-adventured intervention in the Viet Nam Civil War, conscription was replaced by the all-volunteer military which has now over a few decades become less and less composed of "citizen soldiers," and more and more a self-selected professional corps ... In 2016 most of the American military voted for ... Trump ...
The Military Times ran a telling article about US military voting intentions in August 2020, based on polls back then.
But if I recall, the Military Times’ readership and that poll tilted somewhat decidedly toward officers. I remember discussions (on 538 maybe?) that officers were more likely to vote for Biden, but it wasn’t as clear where enlisted military were. Don’t know for sure, though.
Once again, Trump defends Russia. Secretary of State Pompeo states that Russia was behind the cyber attack. Trump then comes out and says, no, no it was Chine and "the media" keep blaming poor little Russia simply because "the media" are so in love with China.
Personally, it never occurred to me that Pompeo was "the media."
While the figures are not out yet, I am betting the majority of the military voted for Biden this year.
I'm not sure we'll ever know that. Such analyses are usually based on exit polling and in an election that saw record amounts of early and mail-in voting as well as a partisan skew in preference between day-of-election voting and other methods of casting a ballot I'm not sure exit polling is an accurate measure of the electorate as a whole (or groups within the electorate).
Once again, Trump defends Russia. Secretary of State Pompeo states that Russia was behind the cyber attack. Trump then comes out and says, no, no it was Chine and "the media" keep blaming poor little Russia simply because "the media" are so in love with China.
Personally, it never occurred to me that Pompeo was "the media."
I was wondering whether Pompeo has, in the twilight of the Trump Administration, discovered the National Interest.
Every time, Trump wants to deflect blame from Russia, I have to wonder what does Putin have over him.
My semi-serious guess is he's planning a possible run to Russia in the event of facing criminal charges in the US, and so needs to continue currying favour.
Though honestly, I'd see Israel as the preferable country of exile for him, if it were possible for him to avoid extradition there.
Hmmm...is Edward Snowden still holed up in Russia?
stetson--
Are you thinking he'd be safer there? Despite Ivanka and her family being Jewish, T has made anti-Jewish remarks. And what if Netanyahu dies or goes out of power?
Hmmm...is Edward Snowden still holed up in Russia?
stetson--
Are you thinking he'd be safer there? Despite Ivanka and her family being Jewish, T has made anti-Jewish remarks. And what if Netanyahu dies or goes out of power?
Even with Netanyahu in power he wouldn't necessarily be safe. Trump's certainly popular with the Israeli far right but that won't stop the Israeli government handing him over if the US government demands it.
Hmmm...is Edward Snowden still holed up in Russia?
stetson--
Are you thinking he'd be safer there? Despite Ivanka and her family being Jewish, T has made anti-Jewish remarks. And what if Netanyahu dies or goes out of power?
Put it this way. I think Trump As A Guest Of Netanyahu would be a more comfortable arrangement for both parties, than would Trump As A Guest Of Putin. Just for starters, he'd likely have more freedom of movement in Israel than in Russia, where I think he'd still be regarded with suspicion as the leader of a hostile power.
Plus, given the prestige enjoyed by Israel among the American public, Biden would have to tread very carefully in criticizing them. And the GOP could spin it as The Greatest President Ever Now Living In The Greatest Democracy Ever.
The only negative for Trump with Israel is that they'd likely send him back as soon as they were asked, if only because they can't afford to piss-off their No. 1 ally.
(And honestly, this is all pretty hypothetical, since I don't really think Trump is likely to flee the country.)
I have a hazy recollection that if Trump were to convert to Judaism he could not be extradited from Israel. Can anyone tell me if that is correct?
Israel does not extradite its citizens and if you're Jewish you're automatically eligible for Israeli citizenship, though such citizenship is not automatic. Israel is also highly aware of the way this system can be gamed by undesirables and has in the past extradited Jews with only marginal connections to Israel, even though those connections were more solid than a hypothetical Trump conversion to Judaism. In cases where extradition is not granted, sometimes Israel will try the non-extraditee in its own courts. Israel would not be a particularly safe haven for Trump, assuming he was looking for one.
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Doubtful re end. T is reportedly still trying to overturn the election--some of that in Congress, once they get the votes from the Electoral College.
It will probably never be over for Trump--nor for his true believers.
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The die hard Red Hats aren't going to slink quietly away ... If anything, they are more p*ssed off and fired up than before ... If they had simmering grievances before, oh my stars and garters, look out ...
This.
Then one of his kids will probably continue the family legacy. A Trump political dynasty (shudder)
Are you perhaps Samantha Stevens from "Bewitched"? She was fond of saying "oh, my stars and garters".
Based on the internet searches I've just been doing, her line was "Oh, my stars!", sans garters.
The version with "garters" sounds a little too faux-upper class for Samantha, who, unlike her vaguely aristocratic parents, always had the demeanour of an All-American girl.
The verbal tic of Samantha's that I remember best was her up-talked "Well...?", when caught in an embarrassing situation, eg. Darren finds out she turned Mr. Tate into a pig or something.
(No, I wasn't obsessed with that show as a kid or anything. Nothing like that. No siree.)
LOL ... My grandchildren call me "Grandpa BigNose" ... If I ever managed to wiggle it as per Samantha, it could do serious damage ... So, no ... "I am not 'Herbert' ..."
Maybe he will have to move back to Trump Tower. You know, that building that is on Black Lives Matter Ave in NYC,
Too bad.
*sigh*
Of course, but Palm Beach I think is wealthy enough to out-lawyer him.
Real life is SO much more fascinating than any wild fiction ...
Early on, I switched the channel or turned it off as needed ...
For now quite a few years the Red Hats -- who predate Trump's ascension -- have been fulminating about "taking our country back" (from: the "Feds," gays and lesbians, "Liberals," atheists, IMMIGRANTS(!), brown people, "Socialists" and Globalists) ... Their grievances are many and long-standing ... and they are ARMED ...
Yes, but the military itself would not back a putsch. That takes considerable social breakdown as in Weimar, or a conspiracy, and I am assuming the US is not in that position. But Trump is a warning, surely?
Interesting that some historians judge that Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch taught him to tread a semi-legal route.
I would say he has messed up the civilian control of the chain of command, but for the military side, the chain of command is still intact. He cannot remove the Joint Chiefs of Staff as easily as he can the civilian side. My bet is that the JoCS will quickly recognize Biden as the new CinC come 12:01 on 20 Jan 21
As a reaction to the terribly mis-adventured intervention in the Viet Nam Civil War, conscription was replaced by the all-volunteer military which has now over a few decades become less and less composed of "citizen soldiers," and more and more a self-selected professional corps ... In 2016 most of the American military voted for ... Trump ...
Based on interviews, the percentage was down as compared to 2016 ...
Considering that Trump tried to exclude all the military absentee ballots that came in late, Trump must have thought that, too.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. "The military" in this country include a fair number of Trump supporters.
Personally, it never occurred to me that Pompeo was "the media."
I'm not sure we'll ever know that. Such analyses are usually based on exit polling and in an election that saw record amounts of early and mail-in voting as well as a partisan skew in preference between day-of-election voting and other methods of casting a ballot I'm not sure exit polling is an accurate measure of the electorate as a whole (or groups within the electorate).
I was wondering whether Pompeo has, in the twilight of the Trump Administration, discovered the National Interest.
My semi-serious guess is he's planning a possible run to Russia in the event of facing criminal charges in the US, and so needs to continue currying favour.
Though honestly, I'd see Israel as the preferable country of exile for him, if it were possible for him to avoid extradition there.
stetson--
Are you thinking he'd be safer there? Despite Ivanka and her family being Jewish, T has made anti-Jewish remarks. And what if Netanyahu dies or goes out of power?
BINGO
Even with Netanyahu in power he wouldn't necessarily be safe. Trump's certainly popular with the Israeli far right but that won't stop the Israeli government handing him over if the US government demands it.
Put it this way. I think Trump As A Guest Of Netanyahu would be a more comfortable arrangement for both parties, than would Trump As A Guest Of Putin. Just for starters, he'd likely have more freedom of movement in Israel than in Russia, where I think he'd still be regarded with suspicion as the leader of a hostile power.
Plus, given the prestige enjoyed by Israel among the American public, Biden would have to tread very carefully in criticizing them. And the GOP could spin it as The Greatest President Ever Now Living In The Greatest Democracy Ever.
The only negative for Trump with Israel is that they'd likely send him back as soon as they were asked, if only because they can't afford to piss-off their No. 1 ally.
(And honestly, this is all pretty hypothetical, since I don't really think Trump is likely to flee the country.)
Israel does not extradite its citizens and if you're Jewish you're automatically eligible for Israeli citizenship, though such citizenship is not automatic. Israel is also highly aware of the way this system can be gamed by undesirables and has in the past extradited Jews with only marginal connections to Israel, even though those connections were more solid than a hypothetical Trump conversion to Judaism. In cases where extradition is not granted, sometimes Israel will try the non-extraditee in its own courts. Israel would not be a particularly safe haven for Trump, assuming he was looking for one.
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