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        <title>Kerygmania — Ship of Fools</title>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2026 19:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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        <title>The parable of the vineyard</title>
        <link>http://forums.shipoffools.com/index.php?p=/discussion/6918/the-parable-of-the-vineyard</link>
        <pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 00:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Lamb Chopped</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Okay, I've got questions about this one, particularly the exchange at the end:<br />

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<div>33 “Hear another parable. There was a master of a house who planted a vineyard and put a fence around it and dug a winepress in it and built a tower and leased it to tenants, and went into another country.<br />
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34 When the season for fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the tenants to get his fruit. 35 And the tenants took his servants and beat one, killed another, and stoned another. 36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first. And they did the same to them.<br />
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37 Finally he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 But when the tenants saw the son, they said to themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and have his inheritance.’ 39 And they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.<br />
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40 When therefore the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”<br />
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41 They said to him, “He will put those wretches to a miserable death and let out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the fruits in their seasons.”<br />
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42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:<br />
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“‘The stone that the builders rejected<br />
has become the cornerstone;<br />
this was the Lord's doing,<br />
and it is marvelous in our eyes’?<br />
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43 Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits. 44 And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and when it falls on anyone, it will crush him.”<br />
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45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he was speaking about them. 46 And although they were seeking to arrest him, they feared the crowds, because they held him to be a prophet. Matthew 21:33–46</div>
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The first thing I'm wondering about is, Why does Jesus come back at his hearers with &quot;Have you never read...&quot; ? It sounds as if he finds their answer unsatisfactory, but I can't see how. In fact, I think when he uses that phrase elsewhere (Matthew 21:16, Mark 2:25), it's precisely because they are missing the point. But here?<br />
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The second thing I don't get is the point of this: &quot;And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and when it falls on anyone, it will crush him.”<br />
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Is this just Hebrew parallelism? Or is there some sort of contrast here? And anyway, how the heck can a cornerstone fall on anyone?<br />
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        <title>Herod and Pilate - a friendship made in - where?</title>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2026 11:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>TurquoiseTastic</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[In <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2023%3A%208-12&amp;version=NIV" rel="nofollow">Luke 23 8-12</a> Herod is unimpressed with Jesus and sends him back to Pilate. Luke says in verse 12 that Herod and Pilate became friends after this. My question - why? And why does Luke mention it?]]>
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        <title>The New Community</title>
        <link>http://forums.shipoffools.com/index.php?p=/discussion/6853/the-new-community</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2026 15:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>Gramps49</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Peter%201%3A17-23%0A&amp;version=NRSVue&amp;interface=print&amp;showfootnotes=no&amp;showxrefs=no&amp;showheadings=no&amp;showwoj=no" rel="nofollow">1 Peter 1:17-23</a> describes the new community established by the Lord.<br />
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Since we have a number of faith traditions on this board a question: what does it mean to be<b> born anew</b> through the living and enduring word of God (v23)?<br />
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Is Peter echoing the Johannine new birth language?<br />
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How do you think the early Christians understood spiritual rebirth?]]>
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        <title>The Plagues of Eygpt</title>
        <link>http://forums.shipoffools.com/index.php?p=/discussion/6881/the-plagues-of-eygpt</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2026 15:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>Gramps49</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Many of us have likely been taught about <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%207-12&amp;version=NIV" rel="nofollow">the plagues in Egypt</a>, but how many of us realized what the story was all about?  In short it is about Yahweh dismantling the deities of the strongest empire at the time.   Consider:<br />
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The ten plagues in Exodus are not random acts of devastation; they are a deliberate theological confrontation in which the God of Israel dismantles the power and credibility of Egypt’s gods. Exodus 12:12 provides the interpretive key: “I will execute judgments on all the gods of Egypt.” Each plague strikes at a domain ruled by a specific deity, revealing that the God who liberates Israel is sovereign over every sphere of creation the Egyptians believed their gods controlled.<br />
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The first plague turns the Nile to blood, challenging Hapi, Khnum, and Osiris, all associated with the river’s life‑giving power. The plague of frogs undermines Heqet, the goddess of fertility and childbirth. Gnats rising from the dust confront Geb, god of the earth, while swarms of flies expose the impotence of Khepri, the scarab‑headed god of rebirth. The death of livestock strikes at Hathor and Apis, central symbols of strength and economic vitality. Boils reveal the weakness of healing deities such as Sekhmet and Imhotep. Hail and fire falling from the sky challenge Nut, Shu, and Tefnut, while locusts devastate the harvest overseen by Osiris and Neper. Darkness directly confronts Ra, the supreme sun god. Finally, the death of the firstborn strikes at Pharaoh himself, believed to be the divine son of Ra.<br />
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Taken together, the plagues reveal a systematic dismantling of Egypt’s religious, political, and cosmic order. They proclaim that liberation is not only political but theological: Israel’s God alone is sovereign, and no empire’s gods can stand against the work of freedom..<br />
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If the Exodus story were written today, the plagues would not target statues of ancient deities but the modern powers we treat as ultimate. Scripture’s claim that God “executes judgment on the gods” would expose the systems we trust, fear, and obey—those that promise life yet quietly enslave.   I am interested in the modern deities we would be talking about.]]>
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        <title>How many donkeys?</title>
        <link>http://forums.shipoffools.com/index.php?p=/discussion/6865/how-many-donkeys</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2026 14:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>Enoch</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[It is Palm Sunday today and the readings in the Church of England this year are from Matthew. In Matthew 21:2 Jesus tells the disciples - this is the WEB Bible to avoid issues about copyright -<br />
<i>“Go into the village that is opposite you, and immediately you will find a donkey tied, and a colt with her. Untie them, and bring them to me.&quot;</i><br />
Then at vvv 4-5 there is,<br />
<i>&quot;      All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken through the prophet, saying,<br />
  	   “Tell the daughter of Zion,<br />
Behold, your King comes to you,<br />
Humble, and riding on a donkey,<br />
On a colt, the foal of a donkey.” </i><br />
That comes from Zech 9:9. It looks to me like conventional Hebrew parallelism, i.e. on a donkey which is a colt and the foal of a donkey, i.e. one donkey.<br />
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The next verses in Matthew's account though are,<br />
<i>&quot;6   The disciples went, and did just as Jesus commanded them,  7 and brought the donkey and the colt, and laid their clothes on them; and he sat on them.&quot;</i><br />
That appears to be describing two donkeys, and Jesus doing something impossible, riding on two animals at once.<br />
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The other three gospels all include this event, Mk 11: 1-10, Lk 19:28-40 and Jn 12:12-16 but make no mention of any second donkey.<br />
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Most of the commentaries seem to ignore this incongruity altogether.<br />
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Something especially odd about it, though, is that of all the gospel writers, Matthew with his Jewish background and interest in the Old Testament should be the one who should most be expected to know about parallelism, and therefore least likely to see any need to doctor the record so as get it to fit in with the passage from Zechariah. Only one commentary of those I have access to addresses any of this, suggesting that perhaps there really were two donkeys, that as Mark and Luke record that Jesus rode a colt that no one had ridden before - i.e. unbroken - Matthew is recording a memory that its mother was brought along to keep it steady.<br />
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What do shipmates think about this? Have any of you ever noticed this, puzzled about it or heard some over-literalist preacher try to explain it away? Do most commentaries ignore this because they are embarrassed by the possible implications for their pet take on scriptural authority, or because only the over-picky would bother about it? Or did somebody else in the immediate post-apostolic era who did not know about parallelism doctor the text to try to make it fit what he or she thought it ought to be saying? Or what?<br />
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By the way, I have quite a high view on the overall authority of scripture but am not terribly bothered about literalism.<br />
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        <title>Light (6?&amp;7) of the world</title>
        <link>http://forums.shipoffools.com/index.php?p=/discussion/6848/light-6-7-of-the-world</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2026 13:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>jay_emm</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[The topic of light seemed to run out of steam a bit, but it's near Easter.<br />
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Jesus in John 8:12 says &quot;I am the light of the world.<br />
While in Matthew 5:14 he says I am &quot;the light if the world&quot;<br />
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How do we reconcile these?<br />
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John obviously further expands on the light theme.  And we can talk about us.<br />
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How are we included in &quot;You are&quot;, not sure...]]>
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        <title>Suggest the most mediocre story.</title>
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        <pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2026 13:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>jay_emm</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[I was looking at the children's bible books in Waterstones* and on the way home was wondering what was the story they chose last.<br />
Obviously there's an awful lot that goes into such a thing (for instance you could split and merge).<br />
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But if you were to take a random guess, what would be the story that you think you'd include in a select list but is borderline<br />
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By default let's say it's a 52 story bible for ten year olds.<br />
You can change that if you think it would be more interesting (do be clear).<br />
But please vaguely sticking to the stories we all like, but not that much region.  Skim over the extremes (we either will agree boringly or disagree messily).<br />
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*Other bookshops are available (but not nearby).<br />
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        <title>'I will declare to them, “I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.&quot;' - Matthew 7:15-23</title>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2026 10:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Rufus T Firefly</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Over the past few months, bearing in mind all that has gone on in the USA where so many people in power are proudly proclaiming their Christian faith, I have been drawn again and again to the Sermon on the Mount and especially to <a href="http://https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207%3A15-23&amp;version=NRSVA" rel="nofollow">Matthew 7:15-23</a><br />
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<i>Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles?  In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.  A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits.<br />
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Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord”, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?” Then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.”</i><br />
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When you consider all the rest of the Sermon on the Mount, especially the bits about loving your enemies and being peacemakers, I can't help wondering what the MAGA Christians make of all this. How do they reconcile their attitudes and actions with these words of Jesus?<br />
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I heard a story a little while ago about someone who had a friend who writes service material for conservative evangelical churches and who was warned not to include anything from the Sermon on the Mount as it was &quot;too woke&quot;. I cannot confirm if this is true or not, so make of it what you will.<br />
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My question here (and this is why this is in Kerygmania) is &quot;how are these passages being understood by people who proclaim their faith and yet eagerly pursue policies and actions that seem to be diametrically opposed to what Jesus was talking about?&quot;<br />
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And don't forget Jesus's version of the Golden Rule: <i>In everything do to others as you would have them do to you; for this is the law and the prophets.</i>]]>
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        <title>Enlightened (3) thinking.</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2026 20:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>jay_emm</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Continuing a series of posts loosely inspired by the themes of light.<br />
This time thinking of it being a metaphor for good living or about the goodness of the law.<br />
(Ps if someone wants to do something on &quot;people walking in darkness have seen a great light&quot; or similar next week, please do).  Or if anything else...<br />
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In psalm 119:105 we have<br />
&quot;Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path&quot;.<br />
It's verse Nun, I know that means all the verses start with N, but I'm not sure what that means to sentence structure (has the English tidied it up?).  What are the N words? is this a chance to learn and anchor some vocabulary?<br />
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And in proverbs 6:23 we get a very similar pattern.<br />
&quot;These commands are a lamp, this teaching is a light [keeping you from the smooth tongue of the wayward wife]&quot;.  Are these two connected?<br />
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And earlier in proverbs 4:18 &quot;the path of the righteous is like the first gleam of dawn...the way of the wicked is like darkness [they stumble]<br />
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And at the end the wise woman 31:18 keeps her light on, which reminds me of the parable of the wise and foolish bridesmaids.<br />
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Hopefully there's some interesting discussion to be had.<br />
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        <title>Tear it out! A Lenten joke.</title>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2026 14:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>Bullfrog</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<a href="https://bible.oremus.org/?ql=638598057" rel="nofollow">Matthew 5:27-30</a><br />
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I find my mind staring at this passage and wondering if I'm a failure because it isn't the last thing I see. I've heard it joked, with varying degrees of seriousness, that there might not be a man alive who has manged not to occasionally notice that someone else's body is desirable.<br />
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Attaching a threat of violence to a near-unavoidable sin of the mind causes harm because it inspires unhealthy displacement, dissociation, and general denial of self.<br />
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On the other hand, you have the legacy of male theologians making awkward excuses for themselves, undermining the seriousness of the passage. &quot;Oh, it's OK. Jesus said that to tell y'all that being holy is impossible, so give up and rely on grace!&quot; Somehow that doesn't sit right either.<br />
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And while I can easily see how these teachings are based on a misreading of the passage, if you have to apply interpretive gloss the passage so carefully to get the proper teaching out of it, is it really that great?<br />
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I imagine how this passage has been abused and led to abuse, and I want to - according to its own logic - tear it out! Or amend it with something a little more sane. &quot;Mind your thoughts, for they will become your actions&quot; or somesuch.<br />
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Self control is a virtue, certainly, and men should learn to manage themselves on all levels, but my experience is that external threats of existential violence are not conducive to the proper exercise of self control. Plus threatening violence implies a lack of self control. Why is God so incompetent at management that they have to literally threaten people with destruction to get them to do something as simple as not staring at someone else's chest? ]]>
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        <title>Light (2) in the darkness</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2026 22:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>jay_emm</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Context:<br />
The general theme of light was bought up, as being an interesting topic.  We rapidly decided it was a massive topic and needed to split it up. <a href="http://forums.shipoffools.com/index.php?p=/profile/Jengie%20Jon" rel="nofollow">@Jengie Jon</a> provided some topics and as it's the run up to Easter.<br />
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So this is week '2', it's Ash Wednesday which seemed to fit a more somber theme (the thread will still be here for Good Friday, and the first thread is still active).<br />
No one's jumped in yet.<br />
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I'd picked this topic for this week because Darkness is 'obviously' used for  sin, or separation from God.  But during the week I did question it.<br />
So is it actually the case?<br />
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Psalm 139 has &quot;Surely the darkness will hide me...even the darkness will not be dark to you&quot;.  Which, even if you take it as trying to sinfully hide, the darkness is only a tool, and a failing one.<br />
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Exodus 20, &quot;Moses approaches the thick darkness where God was&quot; for the commandments.<br />
And Psalm 18 after the psalmist calls for help, God comes down with the darkness of a thunderstorm.  &quot;He made Darkness his covering&quot;.<br />
So here we see Darkness being used as a sign of God's presence.<br />
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Isaiah 9 (and quoted by Matthew) has the people walking in Darkness seeing a great Light.   People living in darkness sounds a bit penitental, maybe.<br />
A mildly annoying thing for the thread is the more familiar darkness passages naturally contrast with the great Light passages I want to be referenced later (although if that is the way the thread goes, so be it).]]>
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        <title>Let there be light</title>
        <link>http://forums.shipoffools.com/index.php?p=/discussion/6790/let-there-be-light</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2026 21:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>jay_emm</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[There was a request for a discussion on light motifs.<br />
Between Genesis, John's I am saying, and Revelations seven sun irradiance, there's clearly a lot to talk about.<br />
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        <title>The Glory of the Lord</title>
        <link>http://forums.shipoffools.com/index.php?p=/discussion/6684/the-glory-of-the-lord</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2025 01:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>Gramps49</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%202:8-20&amp;version=NIV" rel="nofollow">Luke 2:8-20</a><br />
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I was going to do a Biblical Review of this story, but I got to wondering, could the Glory of the Lord actually be a description of the Aurora Borealis, the Northern Lights?   Unfortunately, there is no known record of unusual sun spots during that time, though the first recording was around 800 BCE in China--the problem being there was no way of measuring sun activities during Jesus' time.<br />
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That said, there are documented sightings as far south as Cuba, Hawaii and Singapore.  The latitude of Bethlehem is around 31 degrees, Cuba is at 21 degrees, Hawaii 19 degrees and Singapore is 2 degrees.  I know recent Borealis maps have shown the strongest ones could be seen in Pheonix AZ  Here is <a href="https://media.12news.com/assets/KPNX/images/bdb8655b-b5ff-43c5-bea3-d6651294b9f2/bdb8655b-b5ff-43c5-bea3-d6651294b9f2_1140x641.jpg" rel="nofollow">an image</a> of the lights outside of Wickenberg, about the same latitude as Pheonix ~33 degrees.<br />
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Just checked the 11 year cycle for Sunspots, though.  There would have been 184.45 cycles since now and then.  A little off.<br />
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What I have been doing while recuperating from the gallstones.]]>
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        <title>Becoming tasteless in Matthew 5:13</title>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2026 19:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Leaf</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[I fell into a nerdhole while reading Matthew 5:13. The NRSV translation:<br />
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&quot;You are the salt of the earth; but if salt has lost its taste, how can its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything, but is thrown out and trampled under foot.&quot;<br />
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The word translated as &quot;has lost its taste&quot; is μωρανθῇ .<br />
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I had notes indicating that 'tasteless' has a similar connotation in koine Greek as it does in modern English: 'crude, foolish.' My good old Bauer, Arndt and Gingrich lexicon backs me up on this.<br />
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The root word is... &quot;moron.&quot; If you can pick out the first five letters in the Greek word above, you can see it.<br />
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Even the salt of the earth can be broken down and become tasteless, crude, foolish. I can't think of a convenient word to translate this, but it's effectively &quot;moronized.&quot; It seems to me to be the human behaviour equivalent of what Cory Doctorow refers to, when discussing products and services, as &quot;enshittified.&quot;<br />
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TikTok pranks seem to me an example of moronization, with the capacity to break down what is good and useful and wise into what is tasteless and foolish.<br />
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I haven't yet tackled the word ἁλισθήσεται - &quot;resalinated&quot;? Idk. I welcome your comments!]]>
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        <title>Will your anchor hold</title>
        <link>http://forums.shipoffools.com/index.php?p=/discussion/6772/will-your-anchor-hold</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2026 09:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>mark_in_manchester</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[I was reading Acts 27, where Paul is on his way to Rome as a prisoner.  You might remember the story - they are making poor progress on account of the weather and wind direction, and set out from Crete in late Sep or early Oct when Paul tells them is it already too risky and they need to spend the winter where they are, until the weather presumably improves in the spring.<br />
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It suddenly struck me that if this was normal, then sea-going transport must have stopped for 6 months of the year.  Are any classical scholars able to add anything to this?  What did all those ships' crew do, holed up in odd places for long periods?  How did they eat?    ]]>
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        <title>Joseph the Dreamer</title>
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        <pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2025 15:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>jay_emm</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[We had the gospel passage of the journey to Egypt and back today, and it struck me that new testament Joseph both gets and acts on a large number of dreams.<br />
Specifically marrying Mary, going to Egypt, returning from Egypt and going to Nazerath.<br />
<br />
By default I tend to think of him to the side (probably from Luke and combined-Nativity gospels).<br />
But in Matthew, he really does seem to have a really active role.<br />
<br />
a) are there traditions that go into him as more than just an ok step-dad?<br />
b) why did Matthew write that.  Is there some cultural dynamics in Matthews reporting (why not in like)?<br />
c) three of them are 'Angels' in dreams (1:20, 2:13, 2:19), is there anything to say?  The one just after the magi left is suspiciously close to what hed have heard in sleep...<br />
d) In 2:12 the magi go a different route because of a dream, but it doesn't say it's their dream (the same is true for Joseph's in 2:22).  I don't think it adds anything, even if you were doing a Joseph centric nativity.]]>
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        <title>Is this historical?</title>
        <link>http://forums.shipoffools.com/index.php?p=/discussion/6708/is-this-historical</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2025 05:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>Gramps49</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%202%3A13-23&amp;version=NIV" rel="nofollow">Matthew 2: 13-23</a><br />
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This has long been a subject of discussion since Matthew wrote it down.  There is no outside proof this happened, but Josephus did say Harod killed one or two of his sons when they tried to usurp the throne.  Moreover, we do have accounts of other despots eliminating people that threatened them.<br />
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How do you react to the story?  How do you think other Christians react to story?<br />
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Will this preach?  (No, I am not going to preach on this text myself.  I have decided to take a more existential approach next Sunday.  Leading off with Peggy Lee's Is That All There is.  Tying in Ecclesiastes (ala Turn. Turn, Turn) and ending up with the story of Simon and Anna.)<br />
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There is one interesting side note.  In the Gospel lesson for 4 Sunday in Advent we have the story of Joseph considering what to do with Mary, when an Angel appears to him in a dream, telling him to take Mary as his wife....<br />
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Then in this the story of the flight into Egypt the same angel in a dream tells Joseph to flee for their lives.  And when it is safe to return to Isreal, once again comes to Joseph in a dream telling him it is okay to return.<br />
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This goes back to another dreamer, also named Joseph way back when.<br />
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But, back to original question:  is the slaughter of the male babies after the birth of Jesus historical? ]]>
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        <title>A disgusting scene?</title>
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        <pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2025 20:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>Caleb</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[In Rembrandt's famous painting &quot;Belshazzar's Feast&quot; a finger is seen writing on the wall and the king looks suitably surprised. The NIV explains &quot;....he was so frightened that his legs became weak and his knees were knocking&quot;<br />
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Was the reality somewhat stronger, and more unpleasant?<br />
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&quot;....his legs became weak&quot; translates from the Welsh Bible as, &quot;....his loins were untied&quot;. It looks as though the description is nearer to, &quot;his knees knocked together and his bowels gave way&quot;, a disgusting scene but surely appropriate because Belshazzar was mocking God and encouraging his guests to do likewise.<br />
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The painting implies a single finger writing but the text is &quot;fingers&quot;. The words were written with the equivalent of a  4&quot; wide paintbrush by the lampstand and so must have been clearly visible to the thousand guests present. It seems that in front of all his subjects, Belshazzar soiled himself, probably  copiously after such a large feast, and could barely stand.<br />
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The wording of the NIV appears to be a polite tautology. Can any shipmates with a knowledge of Greek shed any light on this?]]>
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        <title>Jews or Gentiles or what?</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2025 17:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>Lamb Chopped</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[I got Mark 15 in my reading today, specifically<br />
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34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” 35 And some of the bystanders hearing it said, “Behold, he is calling Elijah.” 36 And someone ran and filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink, saying, “Wait, let us see whether Elijah will come to take him down.” Mark 15:34-26<br />
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I’m wondering about these people who hear Jesus’ words and mistake them for a call to Elijah. The fact that they even know who Elijah is suggests that they are Jews, though they might be badly educated ones—proselytes or just people without a good handle on the language (maybe Hellenic Jews? And in any case, which language are we talking here—is this Hebrew or Aramaic, does anybody know off the top of their heads?).<br />
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But then there’s the fact that they DO misunderstand Jesus’ words (“my God,” not “Elijah”) which suggests they are not Jews; and they don’t recognize the quotation from Psalm 22:1 either. Which tends to make me think they are Gentiles.<br />
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Opinions, ideas?<br />
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Oh, and does anybody know about the concept of “Elijah’s cup” at the Passover table –does that go back to Jesus’ day? Because otherwise I can’t account for why they think a call to Elijah ought to be answered with a spongeful of wine, even sour wine.<br />
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        <title>Miscounting donkeys</title>
        <link>http://forums.shipoffools.com/index.php?p=/discussion/6368/miscounting-donkeys</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2025 18:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>Eliab</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[How many donkeys Jesus of ride in Palm Sunday?<br />
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According to Matthew, two.  But according to most John, only one.  And Mark and Luke agrees with John.<br />
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I imagine used to Jesus sitting on donkey and using another donkey as a foot rest!   I don’t believe that the Bible is lacking in all errors, so completely  completely infallible.<br />
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<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2021&amp;version=NIV" rel="nofollow">https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2021&amp;version=NIV</a><br />
<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2012&amp;version=NIV" rel="nofollow">https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2012&amp;version=NIV</a><br />
<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%2011&amp;version=NIV" rel="nofollow">https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%2011&amp;version=NIV</a><br />
<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2019&amp;version=NIV" rel="nofollow">https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2019&amp;version=NIV</a>]]>
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        <title>Jesus, the Stand Up Comedian.</title>
        <link>http://forums.shipoffools.com/index.php?p=/discussion/6620/jesus-the-stand-up-comedian</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2025 17:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>Gramps49</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Luke 18: 1-8<br />
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Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up. He said: &quot;In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared about men. And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, 'Grant me justice against my adversary.'<br />
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&quot;For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, 'Even though I do not fear God or care about men, yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she will not eventually wear me out with her coming!'&quot;<br />
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And the Lord said, &quot;Listen to what the unjust judge says. And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?&quot;<br />
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— Luke 18:1–8, New International Version<br />
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I can imagine the disciples howling with laughter over this story.  Most of them probably knew of women who would go so far as to harangue a judge like this story.  Maybe many of them could see that in their mothers, even wives do this with their husband/themselves.<br />
<br />
A personal experience.  I had long owned a boat that had not seen water for over twenty years.  It had been occupying our carport during this time.  Over the years my wife had been after me to get rid of it.  But I was not willing to let go of it since it was purchased by my dad when I was in the fifth grade, so it had been a part of me for 60 some years.  Recently, the &quot;suggestions&quot; had been increasing almost to the point of being persistent.  So, when I read this story, I can see how Mrs Gramps could be that woman.  I can imagine the judge dreading the thought of her once again begging or demanding justice.<br />
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Have you had similar experiences with your significant others?<br />
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Are there other stories that Jesus told that would have tickled the funny bones of his first listeners?]]>
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        <title>Wheat and tares together sown (Matthew 13: 24-43)</title>
        <link>http://forums.shipoffools.com/index.php?p=/discussion/6538/wheat-and-tares-together-sown-matthew-13-24-43</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2025 12:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>TurquoiseTastic</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[So we had <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2013&amp;version=NIV" rel="nofollow">this reading - the parable of the wheat and the tares/darnel </a> at this Sunday's morning service.<br />
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The excellent sermon concentrated on the theme of judgment being above our pay grade - do not assume that someone is a &quot;weed&quot; because that is not our call to make. I also liked the preacher's image of how eventually the wheat becomes distinct from the darnel because its head is bowed down by the grain it yields - it is ultimately humble and fruitful.<br />
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The questions in my mind are:<br />
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1. <i>Why is this parable so dualistic?</i> Most of Scripture emphasises that everything comes from God. But when the farmer is asked where the weed seeds come from he says - &quot;an enemy has done this&quot;. And Jesus reaffirms this in his explanation.<br />
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2. <i>Why do the disciples require an explanation?</i> The interpretation Jesus gives seems pretty straightforward. Is it because they are hoping for some different interpretation? Or are they just being slow, like in Mark 4:13?]]>
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        <title>Greek emphatic pronouns</title>
        <link>http://forums.shipoffools.com/index.php?p=/discussion/6489/greek-emphatic-pronouns</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2025 07:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>[Deleted User]</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[The commentary I am reading on St Mark's Gospel has been noting various pronouns are emphatic. I took that to mean they were emphasised somehow.<br />
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After reaching the Garden and the &quot;not what I will&quot; where this was stated again I realised I don't know what it means for a pronoun to be emphasised. A quick search told me it is to do with contrast or focus, but how does that differ from an English pronoun? For example, the &quot;I&quot; above indicates it's Christ. Not someone else there. So I'm confused as to what the Greek one does. Is it just really emphasising? a literary device? something else?<br />
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Thanks for bearing with my ignorance or dimness...or both.]]>
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        <title>Hosanna: a plea or a praise or both?</title>
        <link>http://forums.shipoffools.com/index.php?p=/discussion/6371/hosanna-a-plea-or-a-praise-or-both</link>
        <pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2025 00:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>Gramps49</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[From John 12:13<br />

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<div>They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, “Hosanna!” “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!” “Blessed is the king of Israel!”</div>
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Have we been misreading this for centuries?<br />
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If you look this up<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosanna" rel="nofollow"> in wikipedia,</a> you will find this entry:
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<div>The word hosanna (Latin osanna, Greek ὡσαννά, hōsanná) is from Hebrew הוֹשִׁיעָה־נָּא, הוֹשִׁיעָה נָּא hôšîʿâ-nā, and especially the short form הוֹשַׁע נָּא hôšâ-nā, and related to Aramaic ܐܘܿܫܲܥܢܵܐ (ʾōshaʿnā) meaning 'save, rescue, savior'.[2]<br />
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In the Hebrew Bible it is used only in verses such as &quot;help&quot; or &quot;save, I pray&quot; (Psalms 118:25). However, in the Gospels it is used as a shout of jubilation,[3] and this has given rise to complex discussions.[4] In that context, the word Hosanna seems to be a &quot;special kind of respect&quot; given to the one who saves, saved, will save, or is saving now. If so Hosanna means &quot;a special honor to the one who saves.&quot; The literal interpretation &quot;Save, now!&quot;,[5] based on Psalm 118:25, does not fully explain the occurrence of the word.[3]</div>
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If this were a plea, it would certainly make the entry into Jerusalem a revolutionary challenge to the powers that be?  See the line quoted in Wikipedia from [iH]esus Christ Superstar[/i] (Ibid)<br />
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Could this have been the final straw for the Sanhedrim?<br />
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        <title>What day is it?</title>
        <link>http://forums.shipoffools.com/index.php?p=/discussion/6370/what-day-is-it</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2025 21:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>Caleb</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[I thought I had it, more or less - but now I am not so sure!<br />
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By correlating bits from Genesis, Leviticus, Jonah and the New Testament, I was fairly happy that the crucifixion of Jesus was on Nisan 14 i.e. the same time as the sacrifice of the Passover lamb, with his burial being in haste before the Passover sabbath began on Nisan 15 .<br />
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However, Mark writes &quot;&quot;On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus’ disciples asked him, ‘Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover? Unless I have missed something this would make the crucifixion date Nisan 15, a sabbath day. Three things I do not understand are:<br />
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Would the chief priests and teachers of the law have held a trial, even a show trial in a kangaroo court on the sabbath?<br />
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Would they have done it at any time that week because Mark noted that they said themselves,  &quot;,,,,not during the festival, or the people may riot&quot;?<br />
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What gap is there between twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month when the Passover begins and the start of the fifteenth day of that month when the Lord’s Passover begins~ (from Leviticus 27)]]>
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        <title>Good smells, bad smells</title>
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        <pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2025 13:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>TurquoiseTastic</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[So this morning the all-age talk was about John 12 and Mary pouring the perfume on Jesus's feet. The wonderful, intense smell of the perfume was emphasised and its significance as an anoiniting of Jesus's body for burial.<br />
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I was thinking about the link between <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2011-12&amp;version=NIV" rel="nofollow">this passage and the one immediately preceding it</a> - the raising of Lazarus in John 11. Here of course smell is also emphasised, in this case poor Martha anticipating &quot;a bad odour&quot; on the opening of her brother's tomb.<br />
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So is the difference in smell emphasised for a reason? The bad odour of death and decay associated with natural death versus the sweet smell of Jesus's sacrifice?<br />
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        <title>What new is about to happen&quot;</title>
        <link>http://forums.shipoffools.com/index.php?p=/discussion/6347/what-new-is-about-to-happen</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2025 22:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>Gramps49</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[This is the first reading for next Sunday:<br />
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Isaiah 43:16-21
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<div>Thus says the Lord,<br />
who makes a way in the sea,<br />
a path in the mighty waters,<br />
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who brings out chariot and horse,<br />
army and warrior;<br />
<br />
they lie down, they cannot rise,<br />
they are extinguished, quenched like a wick:<br />
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Do not remember the former things,<br />
or consider the things of old.<br />
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<b>I am about to do a new thing;<br />
now it springs forth, do you not perceive it?</b><br />
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I will make a way in the wilderness<br />
and rivers in the desert.<br />
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The wild animals will honor me,<br />
the jackals and the ostriches;<br />
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for I give water in the wilderness,<br />
rivers in the desert,<br />
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to give drink to my chosen people,<br />
the people whom I formed for myself<br />
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so that they might declare my praise.</div>
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I highlighted what I am interested in.<br />
<br />
In the time of Second Isaiah, Cyrus the Great was moving through the known world attacking established and oppressing Empires.  He may have been at the gates of Babylon as I understand it.<br />
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Moving to today.  I am wondering what do people see on the horizon that would be a new thing the Lord is about to do?<br />
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And, no, I am not preaching this next week.  I just find it an interesting prophecy to talk about.]]>
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        <title>Poor Fig Tree</title>
        <link>http://forums.shipoffools.com/index.php?p=/discussion/6275/poor-fig-tree</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2025 22:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>Gramps49</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[In the discussion of the humanity of Jesus, there was a brief discussion on <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%2011:12-25&amp;version=NIV" rel="nofollow">Jesus cursing the fig  tree.</a><br />
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A few thoughts<br />
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I had never been able to fully understand the story.<br />
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For one, it seems so out of character for Jesus to curse a plant.  Maybe humans, but why a plant.<br />
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Second, the fig tree would not have had figs early in the year.  If anything, they would have been appearing in March or April and not be fully ripe until August.  Wouldn't they have been too green to ear?  Myself, I do not like figs so I am not certain how they would have tasted if they were even ripe, let alone green/<br />
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Third, for the longest time I had thought maybe the tree was too young to bear fruit.  Not the case.  The story does not mention the age of the tree.  In fact they can liver for over 200 years and grow to 50 feet high.  They also thrive in rocky soil.  They really are a pretty hardy plant.<br />
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I have also found that figs throughout the Bible came to represent Isreal.  But I do not want to imply an antisemitic message.  I think the story can also represent us.<br />
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        <title>“His blood be on us and on our children!”</title>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2025 18:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>[Deleted User]</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[I was listening to an Orthodox podcast on atonement, and a very different interpretation was given to what I thought previously. I am curious if anyone has heard this, what you think of it, etc.<br />
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This was described as a blessing. As in the saving blood of Christ is effective for them:
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<div>Fr. Stephen: ...And the people, they mock him and they spit on him. And this is very important, because, in our modern era, a lot of people will take these descriptions of what happens at Christ’s death, and the hymns about them that we’re going to sing in Holy Week in a few weeks, and label them as anti-Semitic.<br />
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Fr. Andrew: Yeah, which we’re actually about to show you how it’s the opposite. [Laughter] It’s the opposite! It’s not anti-Semitic. <b>Okay, perfect example; this is probably the classic example: Matthew 27:25, where the people say in response to Pilate, “His blood be upon us and upon our children.” Now, given everything we just said about the blood of the goat, and given everything you should know if you’re a Christian about what the blood of Christ does, if his blood is upon you, that’s actually good. I mean, St. Matthew is himself a Jew—anti-Semitic?—he’s writing the most Jewish of the gospels, the most Hebraized of the gospels! When he says that Christ’s blood is going to be upon them and upon their children, that’s a blessing! That’s absolutely a blessing!<br />
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Fr. Stephen: Right, and what St. Matthew conveys there with “His blood be on us and on our children” in narrative theology, Hebrews just comes out and says, in Hebrews 9:18-22, that says, “They were sprinkled with the blood. They and their children were sprinkled at the blood at the beginning of the old covenant, and now we have been sprinkled and purified with the blood of Christ.” So that’s the non-narrative theology way to say it. But, yes, this is… St. Matthew is deliberately subverting a potentially anti-Semitic reading of this. This is like Joseph in Genesis. They meant it to him for evil, but he meant it for good. They’re cursing him; he’s taking away their sins.<br />
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Fr. Andrew: “Father, forgive them.”<br />
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Fr. Stephen: Yeah, and note that it’s not just Jews who are doing these Day of Atonement things. It’s also the Roman soldiers who are doing these Day of Atonement things in St. Matthew’s gospel.</b></div>
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This is after a review of the Day of Atonement in the OT, a look at the Epistle of Barnabas and its description of 1st century Day of Atonement [the goat sent away: the scarlet cord, the beating with a reed, mocked and spitted upon...]<br />
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        <title>What does the Lord ask of you</title>
        <link>http://forums.shipoffools.com/index.php?p=/discussion/6293/what-does-the-lord-ask-of-you</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2025 08:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Kerygmania</category>
        <dc:creator>jay_emm</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[As we leave ordinary time and enter lent (borrowed time?), the thought of &quot;what the Lord asks of us&quot; is nearer the surface.<br />
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So particularly with regard to verses/passages that have inspired organisations or you (keep in mind privacy) to do stuff for lent or life, or you really where a message is hammered home, let's look at that.<br />
What does the bible say god commands<br />
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As a fitting introduction, given how Jesus introduces it and the rest of the thread should flesh it out, we can open with Deuteronomy 6<br />
&quot;4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a] 5 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.&quot;.<br />
I'm hoping the thread will bring out all those components.<br />
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<i>(ETA fixed title, DT)</i>]]>
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