Vaping age

HugalHugal Shipmate
edited March 2024 in Purgatory
In the UK the government is looking to introduce a piece of legislation on vaping ( possibly smoking). Once the current generation reaches 15 they will not be allowed to buy vapes. Each year after that the age will go up. So next year it will be 16, year after 17 etc.
Is this a good idea or will it lead to illegal vaping? Why not just outlaw vaping, It will be less painful

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  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    Hugal wrote: »
    <snip>Why not just outlaw vaping, It will be less painful

    Because vaping has AIUI proven value in helping smokers stop their much more harmful addiction.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    In that case why do it at all!

    IMO a huge mistake was made in the UK when vapes were de-regulated. If they had been kept medical - one chunky size in NHS plastic made availble cheaply, one flavour only - I think a lot of the harm could have been avoided while retaining all the benefits.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    In that case why do it at all!

    IMO a huge mistake was made in the UK when vapes were de-regulated. If they had been kept medical - one chunky size in NHS plastic made availble cheaply, one flavour only - I think a lot of the harm could have been avoided while retaining all the benefits.

    That would seem kind of weird, however, when the far more harmful kinds of tobacco continue to be on general sale.
  • In the news today: surprise finding that vaping seems to cause the same damage to DNA as smoking. Whether this translates to lung cancer risk or not is not yet known.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    Source?
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    In that case why do it at all!

    IMO a huge mistake was made in the UK when vapes were de-regulated. If they had been kept medical - one chunky size in NHS plastic made availble cheaply, one flavour only - I think a lot of the harm could have been avoided while retaining all the benefits.

    That would seem kind of weird, however, when the far more harmful kinds of tobacco continue to be on general sale.

    It's the fact that tobacco is on sale which is weird.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    In that case why do it at all!

    IMO a huge mistake was made in the UK when vapes were de-regulated. If they had been kept medical - one chunky size in NHS plastic made availble cheaply, one flavour only - I think a lot of the harm could have been avoided while retaining all the benefits.

    That would seem kind of weird, however, when the far more harmful kinds of tobacco continue to be on general sale.

    It's the fact that tobacco is on sale which is weird.

    Not as weird as people wanting to buy it. As addictive drugs go it's all addictive bark and no trippy bite. Like, I get why people like most drugs, even if I think their cost/benefit analysis is not great, but nicotine seems way less worth it in terms of addiction and toxicity compared to cannabis, LSD or magic mushrooms. Not, to be clear, that I've had any desire to consume either the latter of the former.
  • I thought that was the point of tobacco, or one of them, that it doesn't get you high. As to why people take to it, I don't know, possibly it works as an anti-depressant. I don't mean chemically, but the repeated act of smoking is soothing, plus the famous oral nature of it.
  • BroJames wrote: »
    Source?

    University College London published in Cancer Research. Though I picked it up from a newspaper headline from BBC website. (Newspaper front pages only available there in the mornings)
  • In that case why do it at all!

    IMO a huge mistake was made in the UK when vapes were de-regulated. If they had been kept medical - one chunky size in NHS plastic made availble cheaply, one flavour only - I think a lot of the harm could have been avoided while retaining all the benefits.

    That would seem kind of weird, however, when the far more harmful kinds of tobacco continue to be on general sale.

    It's the fact that tobacco is on sale which is weird.

    Not as weird as people wanting to buy it. As addictive drugs go it's all addictive bark and no trippy bite. Like, I get why people like most drugs, even if I think their cost/benefit analysis is not great, but nicotine seems way less worth it in terms of addiction and toxicity compared to cannabis, LSD or magic mushrooms. Not, to be clear, that I've had any desire to consume either the latter of the former.

    It is bought because it is delicious and has the delightful properties of both relaxing the imbiber while increasing awareness and attention.

    I’ve always thought that the anti-smoker bit that pops up on this forum from time to time is funny. It’s especially amusing when it has some of that legendary British classism worked into it, very quaint.
  • IMO a huge mistake was made in the UK when vapes were de-regulated. If they had been kept medical - one chunky size in NHS plastic made availble cheaply, one flavour only - I think a lot of the harm could have been avoided while retaining all the benefits.
    Agreed.

  • DardaDarda Shipmate
    Hugal wrote: »
    In the UK the government is looking to introduce a piece of legislation on vaping ( possibly smoking). Once the current generation reaches 15 they will not be allowed to buy vapes. Each year after that the age will go up. So next year it will be 16, year after 17 etc.
    Is this a good idea or will it lead to illegal vaping? Why not just outlaw vaping, It will be less painful

    I believe the proposed legislation refers to the sale of tobacco products, not vapes. The government has proposed a new tax on vapes.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    The UCL news release on vaping can be found here.

    Here’s a summary of the findings in relation to vaping :
    First author, Dr Chiara Herzog (UCL EGA Institute for Women’s Health and University of Innsbruck), said: “We cannot say that e-cigarettes cause cancer based on our study, but we do observe e-cigarette users exhibit some similar epigenetic changes in buccal cells as smokers, and these changes are associated with future lung cancer development in smokers. Further studies will be required to investigate whether these features could be used to individually predict cancer in smokers and e-cigarette users.

    And a comment on them:
    Dr Ian Walker, Cancer Research UK’s executive director of policy, said: “This study contributes to our understanding of e-cigarettes, but it does not show that e-cigarettes cause cancer. Decades of research has proven the link between smoking and cancer, and studies have so far shown that e-cigarettes are far less harmful than smoking and can help people quit. This paper does however highlight that e-cigarettes are not risk-free, and so we need additional studies to uncover their potential longer-term impacts on human health.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    edited March 2024
    Hugal wrote: »
    In the UK the government is looking to introduce a piece of legislation on vaping ( possibly smoking). Once the current generation reaches 15 they will not be allowed to buy vapes. Each year after that the age will go up. So next year it will be 16, year after 17 etc.
    Is this a good idea or will it lead to illegal vaping? Why not just outlaw vaping, It will be less painful

    Something seems wrong with this sentence. Sounds like anyone can buy vapes or tobacco products until they are fifteen

    Shouldn't the sentence be Until this current generation is 15, they are not able to buy vapes.?

    BTW, in the US most states do not allow kids under 18 buy tobacco products.

    When you think about it, though, what if you are 14 when the law goes into effect. By the time you are 15, the legal age will be 16, when you are 16, the legal age will be 17 and so on.

    This happened to me when Idaho changed its legal limit to drive. I turned 13 when the lalw was 14, but when I was 14 the law changed to 15 (Daylight driving only). It also happened when I got my certification as a mental health counselor. They kept changing the requirements. Took them four years to finally reach the minimum hours needed for course work. I was in that time gap.

    Personally, I would rather all tobacco products be banned. But I know that will not happen in my lifetime.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    I am pretty sure that it is illegal for under-18s to buy and use vapes in the UK and it always has been.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    Essentially, the law will make it illegal from 1 January 2027 for anyone born after 1 January 2009 to buy tobacco products. So anyone who turns 15 this year will never legally be able to buy tobacco products.

    They can’t now, because you have to be 18 or over to buy tobacco products. by the time they are 18 or over the new law will have come to place and it will still be illegal for them to buy tobacco products.
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    BroJames wrote: »
    Essentially, the law will make it illegal from 1 January 2027 for anyone born after 1 January 2009 to buy tobacco products. So anyone who turns 15 this year will never legally be able to buy tobacco products.

    They can’t now, because you have to be 18 or over to buy tobacco products. by the time they are 18 or over the new law will have come to place and it will still be illegal for them to buy tobacco products.

    In NZ the previous government had planned similar legislation, but when the current coalition was elected they opted to use the tobacco tax to fund tax cuts instead. :rage:
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