Besides, it's the principle we are looking at. People feeling excluded.
For what it's worth some of the folk I know from the fall-out of that incident have headed towards Your Party or the Greens so no, it wasn't the simplistic Blairites versus the True LeftTM that you seem hell-bent on making it.
When I get time I'll create a new thread on 'both-sides-ism.'
There are things out there we shouldn't see 'both sides' of.
The term “cancel culture” is used most frequently by conservative politicians, right‑leaning media, and public figures who feel targeted by social backlash. These groups frame it as censorship driven by progressive social norms. Some centrist or classical‑liberal writers also use the term to argue that public discourse has become overly punitive. In contrast, marginalized groups and progressive activists rarely use the phrase, viewing social consequences as accountability rather than suppression. Overall, the term is most common among groups who perceive a loss of cultural authority or feel their traditional viewpoints are being challenged.
Whichever way you phrase it, the use of social consequences to force others to conform to your own worldview/social norms is a thing. Calling it “accountability” when done by one set of people and “bullying” when done by another (such as in the OP, for example) is just a way to say it’s fine and dandy to do it against the “wrong” things, but not against the “right” ones.
You just don't get to impose your social norms on other people.
Ironically, the idea that social norms do not apply to all members of a society is itself a social norm that those on the left are trying to impose on all members of their society.
I think if you consider people your enemies simply because they have different preferences and lifestyle to you, then you've got a problem. And that's the issue I was getting at in the OP; forgetting the incident in question and looking at the wider issue, it's about whether, when you encounter people very different to you, your response is "you should be more like me".
But that's exactly what the left does too. It says "you should be more like me" on x,yz.
Not at all. Liberal democracies believe in freedom of speech and religion. At least we used to. The left doesn't seem to anymore.
That, sir, is objectively false.
Not at all. The left has gone too far left.
Under the Biden administration there was government intervention on FB to only allow views they agreed with. Cancel culture is rife (who needs evidence when there is association?). Freedom of speech was curtailed.
Elon Musk backed Trump in the last election precisely for these values. To prevent government censorship, freedom of speech and cancel culture. That's why he bought Twitter.
I think that's how Trump won.
Could you provide some examples?
Biden administration pressure on Mark Zuckerberg springs to mind. He capitulated but wasn't happy about it.
Google is your friend. Or an AI. Plenty of info out there.
The term “cancel culture” is used most frequently by conservative politicians, right‑leaning media, and public figures who feel targeted by social backlash. These groups frame it as censorship driven by progressive social norms. Some centrist or classical‑liberal writers also use the term to argue that public discourse has become overly punitive. In contrast, marginalized groups and progressive activists rarely use the phrase, viewing social consequences as accountability rather than suppression. Overall, the term is most common among groups who perceive a loss of cultural authority or feel their traditional viewpoints are being challenged.
Whichever way you phrase it, the use of social consequences to force others to conform to your own worldview/social norms is a thing. Calling it “accountability” when done by one set of people and “bullying” when done by another (such as in the OP, for example) is just a way to say it’s fine and dandy to do it against the “wrong” things, but not against the “right” ones.
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For what it's worth some of the folk I know from the fall-out of that incident have headed towards Your Party or the Greens so no, it wasn't the simplistic Blairites versus the True LeftTM that you seem hell-bent on making it.
When I get time I'll create a new thread on 'both-sides-ism.'
There are things out there we shouldn't see 'both sides' of.
Other things where we can.
Whichever way you phrase it, the use of social consequences to force others to conform to your own worldview/social norms is a thing. Calling it “accountability” when done by one set of people and “bullying” when done by another (such as in the OP, for example) is just a way to say it’s fine and dandy to do it against the “wrong” things, but not against the “right” ones.
But progressive ones don’t?
Ironically, the idea that social norms do not apply to all members of a society is itself a social norm that those on the left are trying to impose on all members of their society.
But that's exactly what the left does too. It says "you should be more like me" on x,yz.
Biden administration pressure on Mark Zuckerberg springs to mind. He capitulated but wasn't happy about it.
Google is your friend. Or an AI. Plenty of info out there.
Yeah, I'm simply not going to take such arguments seriously.
Yup