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  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    The alleged pipe bomber of 2021, Brian Cole Jr. states he felt the 2020 election was rigged. Do you think DJT is already writing his pardon?
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Maybe, but the guy is Black, so that reduces his chances.
  • HedgehogHedgehog Shipmate
    Crœsos wrote: »
    Boogie wrote: »
    So, what has trump done to deserve this accolade?

    Hinted very strongly to FIFA about his ability to mess up the 2026 World Cup.
    Exactly. I may have my complaints about FIFA, but sucking up to Trump so that he does not cause the logistical headache of yanking games from cities that have Democrats is just good business practice. I am sure that, in the security of their private offices, FIFA officials described Trump in all sorts of words that have nothing to do with peace. But business is business.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    edited December 9
    During the Kennedy Center awards, Trump "misspoke" calling the center the "Trump Kennedy Center." Later, when asked if he was going to name the center after him., he said he did not know, but there was talk about it happening. Ya, right.

    Once he is removed from office, I propose anything named after him should be renamed for someone else.
  • Gramps49 wrote: »
    During the Kennedy Center awards, Trump "misspoke" calling the center the "Trump Kennedy Center." Later, when asked if he was going to name the center after him., he said he did not know, but there was talk about it happening. Ya, right.

    Once he is removed from office, I propose anything named after him should be renamed for someone else.

    The Kennedy Centre - after being fumigated - should have its honourable name restored. The White House ballroom? Bulldozers.
  • I see European heads of state are being called weak, and have failed to end the war in Ukraine. Sigh ....
    How long, Oh Lord, how long?
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited December 9
    Hedgehog wrote: »
    Crœsos wrote: »
    Boogie wrote: »
    So, what has trump done to deserve this accolade?

    Hinted very strongly to FIFA about his ability to mess up the 2026 World Cup.
    Exactly. I may have my complaints about FIFA, but sucking up to Trump so that he does not cause the logistical headache of yanking games from cities that have Democrats is just good business practice. I am sure that, in the security of their private offices, FIFA officials described Trump in all sorts of words that have nothing to do with peace. But business is business.

    When John Bolton was still a free man in the early days of this 47 period, he was going on TV shows all over the anglosphere analyzing Trump's personality and indirectly advising governments on dealing with him(*). One of his bits of advice basically amounted to "Stroke Trump's ego".

    Pretty sure that's what the Koreans were doing when they gave him the Village People serenade and the fake crown(mentioned last page). And that particular government(basically the Ship Of Fools membership with political power, mutatis mutandis) is likely far more inclined against Trump than the kinda people who run FIFA.

    So yeah, FIFA brown-nosing Trump is probably a pretty do-able strategy.

    (*) Bolton's a scumbag, and probably the least sympathetic of the people victimized by Trump's authoritarianism. I do think he's probably accurate in his assessment of Trump's personality, though.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Donal it seems is going ahead with proposing a few things the tourist industry will not like, just in time for the World Cup. You will need to declare 5 years of social media and other things. I can see tourism to the US dropping even more
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    trump said -

    "We want to make sure we're not letting the wrong people come enter our country."

    I think we have an idea who he considers to be the 'wrong people'.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Maybe us Brits should reciprocate.
  • Not only do visitors have to submit five years of social media posts, if they are planning to immigrate to the US and want their paperwork to be expedited, they can pay $1 mil for a Trump Gold Card to move the process along. For African immigrants there is also a $15,000 processing fee.

    Three more years? I hate to think what we will become.
  • Gramps49 wrote: »
    Not only do visitors have to submit five years of social media posts, if they are planning to immigrate to the US and want their paperwork to be expedited, they can pay $1 mil for a Trump Gold Card to move the process along. For African immigrants there is also a $15,000 processing fee.

    Three more years? I hate to think what we will become.

    It's not "will become" that bothers me. It's "has become".
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Not only do visitors have to submit five years of social media posts, if they are planning to immigrate to the US and want their paperwork to be expedited, they can pay $1 mil for a Trump Gold Card to move the process along. For African immigrants there is also a $15,000 processing fee.

    Three more years? I hate to think what we will become.

    It's not "will become" that bothers me. It's "has become".

    It's going to get worse before it gets better. If it gets better.
  • Ruth wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Not only do visitors have to submit five years of social media posts, if they are planning to immigrate to the US and want their paperwork to be expedited, they can pay $1 mil for a Trump Gold Card to move the process along. For African immigrants there is also a $15,000 processing fee.

    Three more years? I hate to think what we will become.

    It's not "will become" that bothers me. It's "has become".

    It's going to get worse before it gets better. If it gets better.

    Will take a revolutionary change.

    I personally am glad I do not have to submit my last five years of social media to enter the country, not that I have been all that radical, but you never know what standard the T administration is using.
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    That's a good point. Anything on anti-trump could be picked on. I love the States but won't be visiting until trump has gone.
  • A good news spot, the Maimi mayor election went Democrat. Maimi has long been a deep red city in a deep red state. She won by 19 points. Her election gives local Democrats something to hang their hat on: It's the economy. stupid.

    I think I have heard this one before.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited December 11
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Maimi has long been a deep red city in a deep red state.
    Huh?

    2024 was the first time Miami-Dade County went red in a presidential election since 1992. Prior to DeSantis in 2022, the last time the city-county went red in a gubernorial election was for Jeb Bush in 2002. The most recent Republican mayor was elected in 2004.

    The recent mayoral election marks a break from the move toward Republicans that Miami-Dade has seen over the last 3 or 4 years, but Miami-Dade hardly has a long deep red history.


  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Maimi has long been a deep red city in a deep red state.
    Huh?

    2024 was the first time Miami-Dade County went red in a presidential election since 1992. Prior to DeSantis in 2022, the last time the city-county went red in a gubernorial election was for Jeb Bush in 2002. The most recent Republican mayor was elected in 2004.

    The recent mayoral election marks a break from the move toward Republicans that Miami-Dade has seen over the last 3 or 4 years, but Miami-Dade hardly has a long deep red history.

    And yet Ms. Higgins is the first Democratic candidate to be elected mayor of Miami this century. (Manny Diaz was elected as an independent.)
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited December 11
    Crœsos wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Maimi has long been a deep red city in a deep red state.
    Huh?

    2024 was the first time Miami-Dade County went red in a presidential election since 1992. Prior to DeSantis in 2022, the last time the city-county went red in a gubernorial election was for Jeb Bush in 2002. The most recent Republican mayor was elected in 2004.

    The recent mayoral election marks a break from the move toward Republicans that Miami-Dade has seen over the last 3 or 4 years, but Miami-Dade hardly has a long deep red history.

    And yet Ms. Higgins is the first Democratic candidate to be elected mayor of Miami this century. (Manny Diaz was elected as an independent.)
    Ack! Thanks for the correction. Yes, you’re quite right. I was looking at a list of mayors of Miami-Dade County, which isn’t the same as the mayor of Miami.

    FWIW, Democrat Daniella Levine Cava was elected mayor of Miami-Dade County in 2020 and reelected in 2024. (And yes, that also made her the first Democrat elected mayor of Miami-Dade this century.)


  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Crœsos wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Maimi has long been a deep red city in a deep red state.
    Huh?

    2024 was the first time Miami-Dade County went red in a presidential election since 1992. Prior to DeSantis in 2022, the last time the city-county went red in a gubernorial election was for Jeb Bush in 2002. The most recent Republican mayor was elected in 2004.

    The recent mayoral election marks a break from the move toward Republicans that Miami-Dade has seen over the last 3 or 4 years, but Miami-Dade hardly has a long deep red history.

    And yet Ms. Higgins is the first Democratic candidate to be elected mayor of Miami this century. (Manny Diaz was elected as an independent.)
    Ack! Thanks for the correction. Yes, you’re quite right. I was looking at a list of mayors of Miami-Dade County, which isn’t the same as the mayor of Miami.

    FWIW, Democrat Daniella Levine Cava was elected mayor of Miami-Dade County in 2020 and reelected in 2024. (And yes, that also made her the first Democrat elected mayor of Miami-Dade this century.)


    From El Paiz, Ms Eileen Higgins is the first woman mayor, of the City of Miami. The Republicans have held that office for 30 years, though officially it is a non-partisan. And, in a city of 60% Hispanic (read mostly Cuban), she beat the odds. Trump also called her a Communist. That did not get far.

    Good to see someone else eat their hat this time.
  • Gramps49 wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Crœsos wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Maimi has long been a deep red city in a deep red state.
    Huh?

    2024 was the first time Miami-Dade County went red in a presidential election since 1992. Prior to DeSantis in 2022, the last time the city-county went red in a gubernorial election was for Jeb Bush in 2002. The most recent Republican mayor was elected in 2004.

    The recent mayoral election marks a break from the move toward Republicans that Miami-Dade has seen over the last 3 or 4 years, but Miami-Dade hardly has a long deep red history.

    And yet Ms. Higgins is the first Democratic candidate to be elected mayor of Miami this century. (Manny Diaz was elected as an independent.)
    Ack! Thanks for the correction. Yes, you’re quite right. I was looking at a list of mayors of Miami-Dade County, which isn’t the same as the mayor of Miami.

    FWIW, Democrat Daniella Levine Cava was elected mayor of Miami-Dade County in 2020 and reelected in 2024. (And yes, that also made her the first Democrat elected mayor of Miami-Dade this century.)


    From El Paiz, Ms Eileen Higgins is the first woman mayor, of the City of Miami. The Republicans have held that office for 30 years, though officially it is a non-partisan. And, in a city of 60% Hispanic (read mostly Cuban), she beat the odds. Trump also called her a Communist. That did not get far.

    Good to see someone else eat their hat this time.
    If you mean me, I’m not eating my hat. And I’ll willingly acknowledge when I got something wrong.

    But a city that has gone for the Democrat in seven of the last eight presidential elections and four of the last six gubernatorial elections isn’t a city that “has long been a deep red city.”


  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited December 12
    But a city that has gone for the Democrat in seven of the last eight presidential elections and four of the last six gubernatorial elections isn’t a city that “has long been a deep red city.”

    Ms. Higgins seems to have bucked a trend toward Republicans at the mayoral level that has existed since 1996. So if we wanna make it sound dramatic, it's not an inaccuracy to say that she has reversed a trend that is almost three decades old.

    I personally know next-to-nothing about Miami civic politics and their relationship to DC politics, so I have no idea if this election can be regarded as a rebuke to Donald Trump, or if it's entirely down to local concerns, or whatever.
  • Trump associates invested very heavily in keeping a Republican in office. He put out a lengthy endorsement of her opponent. I think it goes to show how shallow the Trump machine really is considering at the grass roots level the people of Miami repudiated him. Not only that, but the Indiana state Senate Republicans have rejected Trump's push to redraw the congressional districts to favor their party. And the DOJ has failed a second time to gain a new Grand Jury indictment of Letitia James. The first indictment was thrown out because the attorney submitting it was not authorized to do so. Technically, the DOJ can continue to try to indict her, but I think there should be a way the courts should say enough.

    Note to @Nick Tamen even though the city of Miami voted for Harris in the last election, you know as well as I do the turnouts for national elections are much different than the turnouts for local elections. Only the diehards turn out for local elections until there is a wave that swamps them.
  • Gramps49 wrote: »
    Note to @Nick Tamen even though the city of Miami voted for Harris in the last election, you know as well as I do the turnouts for national elections are much different than the turnouts for local elections. Only the diehards turn out for local elections until there is a wave that swamps them.
    No argument at all there.

    But I still say a city that has gone for the Democrats in six of the last seven presidential elections and in four of the last six gubernatorial elections can’t be described as a city that “has long been deep red.” That was my point—that Miami politics exhibit something other than a longstanding Republican monopoly.


  • More photos have been released showing Epstein's connection to Trump, Bannon, and Clinton as well as others. One alleged photo shows a bowl of condoms with Trump's image with the words: "I'm HUUUUGE." Doesn't prove he ever took advantage, but the Eeech factor is really high.

    I once had a friend who would say, in regards to something like this, "Where there's smoke, there's fire." Sure getting smokey around here, IMB.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    And a reminder to stop short of posting anything that hasn't been reported in a reputable outlet please.

    Dafyd Hell Host
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    edited December 13
    Dafyd wrote: »
    And a reminder to stop short of posting anything that hasn't been reported in a reputable outlet please.

    Dafyd Hell Host

    Since the reports were put out by CNN with one going through MSN (Microsoft Network), they are quite reputable.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    If I'd thought they weren't reputable I'd have deleted them.
    I am more concerned to forestall any potentially libellous speculation that goes beyond what has been reported by outlets who can afford legal advice before publishing.

    If you have any further comments to make on hosting decisions please take them to the Styx.

    Dafyd Hell Host
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    More photos have been released showing Epstein's connection to Trump, Bannon, and Clinton as well as others. One alleged photo shows a bowl of condoms with Trump's image with the words: "I'm HUUUUGE." Doesn't prove he ever took advantage, but the Eeech factor is really high.

    I once had a friend who would say, in regards to something like this, "Where there's smoke, there's fire." Sure getting smokey around here, IMB.

    A picture of me at a party in college where it snowed coke in a back room wouldn't mean I snorted any (I stuck to underage drinking). And it's not like we needed the photos they have released to tell us Trump, Bannon and Clinton (not to mention Bill Gates and Larry Summers) are creeps. So I don't find any of this especially interesting, never mind probative. I think the House Oversight Dems are spinning this out because it's such bad PR for Trump, always a good thing, but it's not meaningful in any other way.

    The ranking House Oversight Democrat (quoted in the CNN piece saying there are as yet unreleased photos that are "disturbing") is Rep. Robert Garcia, who represents the district I live in; earlier he represented downtown Long Beach on the city council and then was mayor. I think he's now in a job he's well suited for, but that doesn't make me think better of how he fucked poor people when the city council drew up the downtown plan for Long Beach in 2012 -- they knew over 20,000 low-income renters would be displaced, and he was fine with that because it's what developers wanted. He did some good in Long Beach, but in general he was on the side of the rich and powerful, so I don't have a lot of illusions about what he's doing in Congress. He's a skilled politician, and he's doing a good job in his current position -- but make no mistake, this is all very good for his own career.
  • The Guardian also had a number of pictures. No need to link to it, I think, but it showed a number of other notables allegedly including Bill Clinton, Woody Allen and Bill Gates. In the case of Bill Clinton, the Democratic position has been to let the chips fall where they may. I remember when Melinda divorced Bill Gates one of the issues was his relationship with Epstein. Bill Gates later said he deeply regretted it.
  • Turns out Trump's DOJ is rewriting the definition of what constitutes domestic terrorism as any organization that shows hostility towards traditional values on family, religion and morality. Certainly sounds like a fascist memo.
  • And then there was the Ceremonial Trump Coin Toss at the Army Navy game. Someone does not understand the concept.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited December 14
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    And then there was the Ceremonial Trump Coin Toss at the Army Navy game. Someone does not understand the concept.

    I'm sorry. I gather Trump made a faux pas there, but I don't know what it was. That he land on the ground rather than in his hand?
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Sorry. Should read; "That he let the coin land on the ground rather than in his hand?"
  • stetson wrote: »
    Sorry. Should read; "That he let the coin land on the ground rather than in his hand?"

    I think the key feature of the coin toss is that you flick it in the air so that it rotates many times. I don't think the President's underhand lob from a gloved palm can have achieved much rotation.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    Sorry. Should read; "That he let the coin land on the ground rather than in his hand?"

    I think the key feature of the coin toss is that you flick it in the air so that it rotates many times. I don't think the President's underhand lob from a gloved palm can have achieved much rotation.

    I guess they went with the result of the toss. Army won the toss. It also won the game by one point, 17-16.
  • NicoleMRNicoleMR Shipmate
    Um, no. Navy won the game by that score. I don't know who won the toss.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    Sorry. Should read; "That he let the coin land on the ground rather than in his hand?"

    I think the key feature of the coin toss is that you flick it in the air so that it rotates many times. I don't think the President's underhand lob from a gloved palm can have achieved much rotation.
    Yes, it was the lack of a flick—usually done with the thumb while the coin is held in a curled index finger—which meant no spinning that looked odd. Letting it land on the ground isn’t unusual. (In my experience, if the coin is cought in the hand, that hand is then flipped down onto the catcher’s other arm.)

    Does anyone know if he did normal coin tosses during his first term?


  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    FWIW, my own previous guess woulda been that as long as the coin gets tossed into the air, that imparts enough randomness into its downward trajectory to fulfill the purpose of a coin toss. But maybe the unpredictability increases with each spinamajig?
  • RockyRogerRockyRoger Shipmate
    All this shows Trump is a useless tosser.
  • SandemaniacSandemaniac Shipmate
    RockyRoger wrote: »
    All this shows Trump is a useless tosser.

    You beat me to it!
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    FWIW, my own previous guess woulda been that as long as the coin gets tossed into the air, that imparts enough randomness into its downward trajectory to fulfill the purpose of a coin toss. But maybe the unpredictability increases with each spinamajig?
    Yeah, it’s not so much about the randomness as it is about the”Good grief, he can’t even toss a coin right.”


  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    NicoleMR wrote: »
    Um, no. Navy won the game by that score. I don't know who won the toss.

    You are right. Score was reversed. Army 16-17 Navy.
  • SpikeSpike Ecclesiantics & MW Host, Admin Emeritus
    Following the announcement of the deaths of Rob and Michelle Reiner, the disgusting orange fuckwit has said that their death was their own fault because of their criticism of him.

    He accused them of what he called “Trump derangement syndrome”. If anyone is deranged it’s him
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    I was just coming to say the same thing.

    Two people have been killed, and he still makes it about him.

    He really is beneath contempt.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Bluesky is full of people posting a screenshot and bemoaning its awfulness. I wish there were a way to mute the image. Yes, he's horrible! This isn't news.

    And he can't toss a coin properly! Oh noes!

    If only these were the worst things he'll do this week.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    Depressingly, it’s looking likely the couple were killed by their son.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Ruth wrote: »
    .And he can't toss a coin properly! Oh noes!

    If only these were the worst things he'll do this week.
    That’s why I asked if he tossed the coin normally during his first term. If he didn’t, then yeah, it’s worth a laugh, but otherwise nothing much to see.

    But if he did toss the coin normally during his first term, then could the lob this time be (additional) evidence of neurological or some other kind of decline?


  • The turd has cancelled citizenship ceremonies for a number of people who come from countries now on his enemies list. Isn't the whole point of citizenship for people like that to be able to find a new home and leave the old one behind them?
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Ruth wrote: »
    Bluesky is full of people posting a screenshot and bemoaning its awfulness. I wish there were a way to mute the image. Yes, he's horrible! This isn't news.

    And he can't toss a coin properly! Oh noes!

    If only these were the worst things he'll do this week.

    One of Reiner's last interviews was on Piers Morgan, where he described Erika Kirk's forgiveness of her husband's assassin as "beautiful".
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