Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

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  • Doc TorDoc Tor Admin
    edited September 2019
    Where is Corbyn, for I much desire to speak with him...
  • Beware his voice!
  • The description of Galaldriel's mirror also seems appropriate for current Remainy predictions :naughty:
    'Remember that the Mirror shows many things, and not all have yet come to pass. Some never come to be, unless those that behold the visions turn aside from their path to prevent them. The Mirror is dangerous as a guide of deeds.'

    I could play this game for hours.
  • Gandalf! Gandalf will save us! Boron will be defeated and destroyed for ever!
  • Boris says he would rather die in a ditch than go to Brussels and ask for an extension. Maybe he ought to consider the fate of the lat Colonel Gaddafi, and ponder whether, in these turbulent times, some lunatic might possibly take him at his word.
  • Tempting the Fates, by using such intemperate words, can indeed lead to an Unpleasant Result.
  • Though, he's a Tory. He doesn't see the need to justify treating the poor like shit. He just unquestioningly believes that the poor exist just so "people" like him can treat them like shit.

    I understand he's not a member of any political party. John Major has described him as a 'political anarchist' who doesn't care for the Tory party, so much as he is in a position to forward his personal agenda for de-stabilising the European Union. So while Johnson has at least to pretend he has some political loyalties to the party he's part of, and make a (feeble-minded) feint at being interested in running the country, Cummings is utterly free from those considerations. Undoubtedly, some of his views do align well with some Conservative values eg, the poor deserve to be poor because they're clearly not hard-working enough, state educated people are basically thickos, and the working class are there to be ruled by the elite etc. But he is, arguably, more dangerous than the likes of Johnson, because he has no anchoring principles outside of his own opportunistic dreams to restrict him.

    Once upon a time, I expect Johnson thought that he, Johnson, was the one using Cummings to further his No. 10 ambition. He must know by now that it was he, Johnson, who was the monkey dancing to the organ-grinder's tune.
  • One of the things that upsets me so much at the moment is that Ken Clarke is so clearly on the side of the angels...
    Added to that, he failed to become Tory leader essentially because he offered the anti-EU wing of the party a referendum in return for their support. (And that John Redwood, who was leading the anti-EU faction at the time, hadn't looked especially weird in the photo of him sitting next to Clarke to announce the deal.)

  • #pleaseleavemytown
    Man tells Boris politely "Please leave my town", which would be "Please F--- <off, yourself>" by the less polite.
    Trending on the tweeter:
    https://twitter.com/overend_andrew/status/1170120666500214785?s=20
    Trending in Germany: https://www.dw.com/en/please-leave-my-town-polite-anti-boris-johnson-greeting-goes-viral/a-50324162
  • Piffle is reported in today's Daily Telegraph (sorry, no link) as saying that he would only have a 'theoretical' obligation to obey the law telling him to ask for a Brexit extension. He is clearly going to fight this all the way - or at least wants to give that impression - even if it results in a rather unpleasant appearance before a learned judge.

    And Duncan Smith is egging him on, saying he will be a 'Brexit martyr' if he's sent to jail. I can only quote Fabian's words from Twelfth Night: 'If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction.'
  • So. Does that mean that the objection most might say exists to restrain somebody fulfilling de Piffle's alternative preference, the ditch one, is also only a theoretical one?
  • The video was trending in Brazil also.
  • It's 'theoretical' because, presumably, the Piffle part of his brain thinks that at the last moment the EU will cave in and offer him a wonderful Trumpian deal agreeing to all his demands. Perhaps.
  • Eirenist wrote: »
    It's 'theoretical' because, presumably, the Piffle part of his brain thinks that at the last moment the EU will cave in and offer him a wonderful Trumpian deal agreeing to all his demands. Perhaps.
    Who knows what he believes? Who knows if even he knows or cares, if it keeps him in power? I suspect in his grubby little heart he's taking for granted he isn't going to get a deal, can wing it by telling everyone he's going to get one until he gets over the line without one, and then everyone will step in behind him and love him for it. They won't.

    He's reported to have said,
    “deliver Brexit, unite the country and defeat Jeremy Corbyn. And that’s what we’re going to do.”
    . And asked when he's resigns, to have said,
    “Er … well … I think after those three objectives have been accomplished I will … At some point after those three objectives have been accomplished.”
    As each is individually irreconcilable with the other two, and especially the middle one, it looks as though we've got him for ever.
  • Wouldn't that require ABdFJ to be telling the truth?
  • Enoch wrote: »
    I suspect in his grubby little heart he's taking for granted he isn't going to get a deal, can wing it by telling everyone he's going to get one until he gets over the line without one, and then everyone will step in behind him and love him for it. They won't.
    There's no doubt that he knows he's not going to get a deal, he simply can't be so stupid that he thinks a deal will drop into his lap without him doing any work for one. At present we're hearing from the EU side that they've been given a copy of the existing WA with some parts of the Irish backstop crossed out. The EU isn't going to accept that on (at least) two counts: a) that the backstop is an important part of their red line to protect the interests of all the remaining 27 nations, and b) even if they did there's no guarantee that Parliament will support it (indeed, good evidence that they won't).
  • And he wants to water down the commitments already given to follow EU social and environmental standards.
  • @Alan Cresswell said -
    ...he simply can't be so stupid that he thinks a deal will drop into his lap without him doing any work for one.

    Really?

    Everything else in his life has done just that.

  • "Unite the country."

    The saddest part about the last three years, in my humble o, is the way no one has bothered about this. A major decision was made, by a slim majority, so it should have been no surprise that things would not be easy. Where were the attempts to bring people together? Leavers have been branded stupid, and racist. Remainers, disloyal and traitors. And Johnson has been one of the worst when it comes to demonising those who disagree with him.
  • One thing which would unite the country - or a good proportion of it (even including swathes of his own party) - would be to see Piffleglum disappearing in a puff of smoke, as his Master claims what purports to be his (Piffleglum's) soul...
  • Rudd has gone.

    I mean, she's a terrible human being, despite her protestations at being a 'moderate', and her reign of terror at the DWP has undoubtedly adversely impacted the lives thousands, if not tens of thousands, of people... so I've zero sympathy for her, and good riddance. I hope she loses her seat.

    But still. I trust there'll be more.
  • Whoever said a week is a long time in politics? The speed at which all this is shifting is unbelievable.
  • I know it is a cliche, but do we not have to ritually recite at this point: at least it’s not chaos with Ed Milliband, imagine if we didn’t have strong and stable government etc etc
  • I know it is a cliche, but do we not have to ritually recite at this point: at least it’s not chaos with Ed Milliband, imagine if we didn’t have strong and stable government etc etc

    You couldn't make it up....
  • Oh and Phil Hammond has just told a local newspaper in Surrey he is taking legal advice on whether he can sue the Tory party for being expelled from it.
  • Eutychus wrote: »
    Whoever said a week is a long time in politics? The speed at which all this is shifting is unbelievable.
    Already out of date
  • Oh and Phil Hammond has just told a local newspaper in Surrey he is taking legal advice on whether he can sue the Tory party for being expelled from it.
    I thought he'd already taken that advice. He was very clever, getting his association to select him as their candidate in the next election on Monday before he voted in favour of Parliament having the chance to debate a bill to prevent a no deal. He'd also said he would take every step possible to prevent central office from over-ruling the decision of the local association.

  • Thanks for the link, KarlLB. I read part of it, but a horrid voice (that of Piffleglum himself) intruded, per video, so I hurriedly left the page...

    But, if I understand correctly, the President has commanded a General Election to be held on 15th October. How does he expect to win that, having lost (or sacked) so many of his own Party in recent weeks?

    The Ghastly Vision is, of course, of an obscene union between Piffleglum, and Nigel Garbage, with some sort of two-headed monster of a 'government' to follow.
    :scream:
  • I suppose during the interregnum, Boris will go barnstorming round the country, mounting bulls, sailing on trawlers, shouting in factories full of cardboard boxes, getting ready for an erection, sorry, election.
  • Mounting bulls? Wont that frighten the horses?
  • At least it makes a change from pig-fucking and wheat-bothering.
  • Alas, I misheard (or misread) the news item - a GE before late November is very unlikely.

    Woe, woe, and thrice woe, as this gives more time for Piffleglum, and the egregious Garbage the Grin, to perform Awful Acts Of Depravity, such as addressing their crowds of fawning minions, myrmidons, toadies, and lickspittles.
  • StephenStephen Shipmate Posts: 49
    I've run out of wax and pins. I'm sure other people would be better at voodoo than me - but of course he might be voodoo proof!! -D
  • Thanks for the link, KarlLB. I read part of it, but a horrid voice (that of Piffleglum himself) intruded, per video, so I hurriedly left the page...

    But, if I understand correctly, the President has commanded a General Election to be held on 15th October. How does he expect to win that, having lost (or sacked) so many of his own Party in recent weeks?

    The Ghastly Vision is, of course, of an obscene union between Piffleglum, and Nigel Garbage, with some sort of two-headed monster of a 'government' to follow.
    :scream:

    Last I heard he wasn't going to get the two thirds majority for an election as the opposition have all said "get stuffed"
  • It's a terrible prospect whatever.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited September 2019
    Indeed.

    I know one should be careful what one wishes for, but some sort of Deus ex Machina is surely due...

    If we were living in a Jack Chick tract, the Faceless God would come down, and save us.
  • Indeed.

    I know one should be careful what one wishes for, but some sort of Deus ex Machina is surely due...

    If we were living in a Jack Chick tract, the Faceless God would come down, and save us.

    In a Chick tract I assume we'd all be sent to hell.
  • O yes - Hellbound Hereticks as we all are...
    :scream:

  • I thought that I'm in hell now.
  • No, no - there is worse to come...Nigel the Garbage has yet to emerge from the slime in which he's hiding...
    :scream: :scream:
  • Doc Tor wrote: »
    At least it makes a change from pig-fucking and wheat-bothering.

    And from fucking the body politic.
  • Oh, they're still doing that
  • To my shame I'd never noticed Parliament closing down before a Queen's Speech before. Why is this deemed necessary, and how long does it normally last?
  • I think it normally lasts several days, and allows the govt to prepare the Queens speech, i.e., their agenda. The suspicion about the current suspension is that it's to stop MPs debating, and criticizing the govt.
  • It also covers the party conferences, which take several weeks, so the govt is saying that only a few extra days are being prorogued.
  • Yes there are some commentators who see it as extending the conference season. It is however a blind to make no-dealBrexit more possible.
    If Boorish does not follow the law surely he should come before a court and be sentenced
  • Well, prorogation is perfectly legal. Boris/Cummings are clever.
  • I know it's legal, and understand why Johnson has extended it. What I don't understand is why it happens at all. Are there any other organisations that shut down because the Boss is preparing to make a big speech?
  • Personally I'm quite flattered that the Prime Minister is Pro Rogue.
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