Maybe he's off trolling on some other site and will get back to us when he has time.
I rather suspect he's obeying his beloved PM and government, to a certain extent, by staying at home (or alert), and protecting the NHS. Well, there's got to be something left, to sell to Trump!
As for saving lives, it's clear he doesn't give a toss - or won't, unless he himself becomes one of the appalling statistics we read about daily.
Alan did use some words and concepts which people who live under bridges may find hard to understand.
Perhaps Mr M has gone off to find a dictionary?
But he might be back, if he can't find another bone to gnaw...
There is, of course, the traditional means of summoning, if one were so inclined:
*clip-clop clip-clop*
I was reading that story to my 2 year old this morning.
Talking of Zoglet 1, he clearly has better power of reasoning than Mr Whatshisface. You see I can convince Zoglet 1 to eat various things on his plate in return for the promise of another carrot (his favourite). By contrast our dull troll thinks he's being consistent whilst he simultaneously claims that only electoral success matters in judging a Prime Minister at the same time as claiming the Best PM in 100 years is a man who had very limited electoral success (lost 2 out of 3 elections and won one despite losing the popular vote).
Now, I happen to agree that Churchill was a great PM but on the rather more rational basis that Sir Winston showed strong, courageous and decisive leadership at a time of national crisis. Could the contrast with Boris be anymore stark?
The Dweller Under The Bridge wouldn't agree - all the more reason, ISTM, for not wasting any more time on him.
I appreciate that peeps have said to me that scrolling past certain posts might mean that I miss something useful or informative, but, in this case, I think not.
I think Alan Cresswell has explained clearly what he himself is doing. What are you doing Mr Mandid, to save lives?
Mostly continuing in my job as I am defined as a key worker. Today involved a PPE run to services and re-iterating the message to managers about social distancing and finding creative ways to explain the process to the people with autism and learning disabilities that the charity I work for support.
Just in case there is any doubt about how out of tune with the general public the comments here are the latest Opinium poll for The Observer gave the Conservatives 49%, Labour 33%, Lib Dems 6% and Greens 5%.
The most recent approval rating for Boris, who hopefully one day will be knighted is Approve 57% Disapprove 35%.
Naturally I understand the reticence of opinion polls, I mean compared to outrage on forums what could they possibly mean?
But just a hint, if y'all really do want change then you need to convince people, not just rant in echo chambers. ;-)
Indeed he does. Sir Keir's approval rating as leader of the opposition is quite impressive. He's not had to actually do much but compared to the previous leader he is certainly much more preferred. That said the political party he leads lags by 16% and the direct question of who would you prefer as PM in the last poll (Opinium end April) shows Boris on 44% and Sir Keir on 23%. So, yes, well done for being better than Corbyn, not exactly difficult mind you.
Actually YouGov have a more up to date poll. Approval rating for Boris is Approve 57% Disapprove 35%. Don't know 7%. And the latest for Sir Keir Approve 44%, Disapprove 17%, Don't know 44%.
So if 57% approve is worse than 44% approve yes your spin is accurate!
Actually YouGov have a more up to date poll. Approval rating for Boris is Approve 57% Disapprove 35%. Don't know 7%. And the latest for Sir Keir Approve 44%, Disapprove 17%, Don't know 44%.
So if 57% approve is worse than 44% approve yes your spin is accurate!
Actually YouGov have a more up to date poll. Approval rating for Boris is Approve 57% Disapprove 35%. Don't know 7%. And the latest for Sir Keir Approve 44%, Disapprove 17%, Don't know 44%.
So if 57% approve is worse than 44% approve yes your spin is accurate!
57-35 = 22
44-17 = 27
27 > 22
And that is how approval ratings are generally reckoned.
Actually YouGov have a more up to date poll. Approval rating for Boris is Approve 57% Disapprove 35%. Don't know 7%. And the latest for Sir Keir Approve 44%, Disapprove 17%, Don't know 44%.
So if 57% approve is worse than 44% approve yes your spin is accurate!
57-35 = 22
44-17 = 27
27 > 22
And that is how approval ratings are generally reckoned.
By spin doctors for sure. Did you work for the last Blair government?
Thing is, opinion polls do change and Starmer looks to me as if he's in it for the long game.
I think one of the things we can say about Johnson is that he is unpredictable. I can't remember which historian it was, but one of them interviewed on Radio 4 when Boris became PM said that Johnson was so mercurial that he could conceive of circumstances where he might actually act Churchillian in a crisis and be the best PM we've ever had ... alternatively ...
At present, my money is on the alternative. He's going to mess up big time.
Actually YouGov have a more up to date poll. Approval rating for Boris is Approve 57% Disapprove 35%. Don't know 7%. And the latest for Sir Keir Approve 44%, Disapprove 17%, Don't know 44%.
So if 57% approve is worse than 44% approve yes your spin is accurate!
57-35 = 22
44-17 = 27
27 > 22
And that is how approval ratings are generally reckoned.
By spin doctors for sure. Did you work for the last Blair government?
In addition, if you are choosing to disregard the don't knows/not sures the last opinion poll of preferred leader of the nation is Boris 44%, Sir Keir 23%.
Thing is, opinion polls do change and Starmer looks to me as if he's in it for the long game.
I think one of the things we can say about Johnson is that he is unpredictable. I can't remember which historian it was, but one of them interviewed on Radio 4 when Boris became PM said that Johnson was so mercurial that he could conceive of circumstances where he might actually act Churchillian in a crisis and be the best PM we've ever had ... alternatively ...
At present, my money is on the alternative. He's going to mess up big time.
Absolutely opinion polls do change, and personally (depending on post covid-19 policies) and up to the next election I would expect them to move more favorably towards Labour. But the opinion polls are presently all we have to go on. Now of course individuals will highlight failings and this thread is full of that particular approach and simply saying shit about Boris is of course everyone's right but the more interesting discussion (aside from personal abuse and accusing anyone who dares say anything different a "troll") is whether the approach of Bash Boris and the evil Tories will actually bring about an electoral change. I'd argue that it won't, it'll certainly serve the pat each other on the back and high 5 each anti comments) but I simply don't think it's enough to change the govt, in fact I think it puts off (the often silent) majority (or at least the 3-4 million people required to vote differently).
Thing is, opinion polls do change and Starmer looks to me as if he's in it for the long game.
I think one of the things we can say about Johnson is that he is unpredictable. I can't remember which historian it was, but one of them interviewed on Radio 4 when Boris became PM said that Johnson was so mercurial that he could conceive of circumstances where he might actually act Churchillian in a crisis and be the best PM we've ever had ... alternatively ...
At present, my money is on the alternative. He's going to mess up big time.
Absolutely opinion polls do change, and personally (depending on post covid-19 policies) and up to the next election I would expect them to move more favorably towards Labour. But the opinion polls are presently all we have to go on. Now of course individuals will highlight failings and this thread is full of that particular approach and simply saying shit about Boris is of course everyone's right but the more interesting discussion (aside from personal abuse and accusing anyone who dares say anything different a "troll") is whether the approach of Bash Boris and the evil Tories will actually bring about an electoral change. I'd argue that it won't, it'll certainly serve the pat each other on the back and high 5 each anti comments) but I simply don't think it's enough to change the govt, in fact I think it puts off (the often silent) majority (or at least the 3-4 million people required to vote differently).
If you think you've been called a troll for disagreeing with others you really are an idiot.
He already is. The catastrophe unfolding in care homes is that mess.
That is but one of the mess ups.
Now, I have to ask Mr Motormouth if he can name one thing that makes Johnson so great? You know, apart from poll ratings...
AFZ
Ensuring that Corbyn will never enter Number 10, trouncing him at the election and seeing a 80 seat Tory majority were all great in my book. (I havent thought up a suitable insult name for you yet, still unworthy of such ;-)
Thing is, opinion polls do change and Starmer looks to me as if he's in it for the long game.
I think one of the things we can say about Johnson is that he is unpredictable. I can't remember which historian it was, but one of them interviewed on Radio 4 when Boris became PM said that Johnson was so mercurial that he could conceive of circumstances where he might actually act Churchillian in a crisis and be the best PM we've ever had ... alternatively ...
At present, my money is on the alternative. He's going to mess up big time.
Absolutely opinion polls do change, and personally (depending on post covid-19 policies) and up to the next election I would expect them to move more favorably towards Labour. But the opinion polls are presently all we have to go on. Now of course individuals will highlight failings and this thread is full of that particular approach and simply saying shit about Boris is of course everyone's right but the more interesting discussion (aside from personal abuse and accusing anyone who dares say anything different a "troll") is whether the approach of Bash Boris and the evil Tories will actually bring about an electoral change. I'd argue that it won't, it'll certainly serve the pat each other on the back and high 5 each anti comments) but I simply don't think it's enough to change the govt, in fact I think it puts off (the often silent) majority (or at least the 3-4 million people required to vote differently).
If you think you've been called a troll for disagreeing with others you really are an idiot.
He already is. The catastrophe unfolding in care homes is that mess.
That is but one of the mess ups.
Now, I have to ask Mr Motormouth if he can name one thing that makes Johnson so great? You know, apart from poll ratings...
AFZ
Ensuring that Corbyn will never enter Number 10, trouncing him at the election and seeing a 80 seat Tory majority were all great in my book. (I havent thought up a suitable insult name for you yet, still unworthy of such ;-)
Wow. That is possibly your stupidest post yet. And that is saying something.
Thing is, opinion polls do change and Starmer looks to me as if he's in it for the long game.
I think one of the things we can say about Johnson is that he is unpredictable. I can't remember which historian it was, but one of them interviewed on Radio 4 when Boris became PM said that Johnson was so mercurial that he could conceive of circumstances where he might actually act Churchillian in a crisis and be the best PM we've ever had ... alternatively ...
At present, my money is on the alternative. He's going to mess up big time.
Absolutely opinion polls do change, and personally (depending on post covid-19 policies) and up to the next election I would expect them to move more favorably towards Labour. But the opinion polls are presently all we have to go on. Now of course individuals will highlight failings and this thread is full of that particular approach and simply saying shit about Boris is of course everyone's right but the more interesting discussion (aside from personal abuse and accusing anyone who dares say anything different a "troll") is whether the approach of Bash Boris and the evil Tories will actually bring about an electoral change. I'd argue that it won't, it'll certainly serve the pat each other on the back and high 5 each anti comments) but I simply don't think it's enough to change the govt, in fact I think it puts off (the often silent) majority (or at least the 3-4 million people required to vote differently).
If you think you've been called a troll for disagreeing with others you really are an idiot.
Rise above it dude, rise above it.
I can't help that you're being an idiot. If you'd care to answer ANY of the points made to you, I might change my mind. However, it remains the case that my two year old has much better reasoning than you do and unlike you, he's learning every day.
He already is. The catastrophe unfolding in care homes is that mess.
That is but one of the mess ups.
Now, I have to ask Mr Motormouth if he can name one thing that makes Johnson so great? You know, apart from poll ratings...
AFZ
Ensuring that Corbyn will never enter Number 10, trouncing him at the election and seeing a 80 seat Tory majority were all great in my book. (I havent thought up a suitable insult name for you yet, still unworthy of such ;-)
Wow. That is possibly your stupidest post yet. And that is saying something.
Thing is, opinion polls do change and Starmer looks to me as if he's in it for the long game.
I think one of the things we can say about Johnson is that he is unpredictable. I can't remember which historian it was, but one of them interviewed on Radio 4 when Boris became PM said that Johnson was so mercurial that he could conceive of circumstances where he might actually act Churchillian in a crisis and be the best PM we've ever had ... alternatively ...
At present, my money is on the alternative. He's going to mess up big time.
Absolutely opinion polls do change, and personally (depending on post covid-19 policies) and up to the next election I would expect them to move more favorably towards Labour. But the opinion polls are presently all we have to go on. Now of course individuals will highlight failings and this thread is full of that particular approach and simply saying shit about Boris is of course everyone's right but the more interesting discussion (aside from personal abuse and accusing anyone who dares say anything different a "troll") is whether the approach of Bash Boris and the evil Tories will actually bring about an electoral change. I'd argue that it won't, it'll certainly serve the pat each other on the back and high 5 each anti comments) but I simply don't think it's enough to change the govt, in fact I think it puts off (the often silent) majority (or at least the 3-4 million people required to vote differently).
If you think you've been called a troll for disagreeing with others you really are an idiot.
Rise above it dude, rise above it.
I can't help that you're being an idiot. If you'd care to answer ANY of the points made to you, I might change my mind. However, it remains the case that my two year old has much better reasoning than you do and unlike you, he's learning every day.
He already is. The catastrophe unfolding in care homes is that mess.
That is but one of the mess ups.
Now, I have to ask Mr Motormouth if he can name one thing that makes Johnson so great? You know, apart from poll ratings...
AFZ
Ensuring that Corbyn will never enter Number 10, trouncing him at the election and seeing a 80 seat Tory majority were all great in my book. (I havent thought up a suitable insult name for you yet, still unworthy of such ;-)
Wow. That is possibly your stupidest post yet. And that is saying something.
Thing is, opinion polls do change and Starmer looks to me as if he's in it for the long game.
I think one of the things we can say about Johnson is that he is unpredictable. I can't remember which historian it was, but one of them interviewed on Radio 4 when Boris became PM said that Johnson was so mercurial that he could conceive of circumstances where he might actually act Churchillian in a crisis and be the best PM we've ever had ... alternatively ...
At present, my money is on the alternative. He's going to mess up big time.
Absolutely opinion polls do change, and personally (depending on post covid-19 policies) and up to the next election I would expect them to move more favorably towards Labour. But the opinion polls are presently all we have to go on. Now of course individuals will highlight failings and this thread is full of that particular approach and simply saying shit about Boris is of course everyone's right but the more interesting discussion (aside from personal abuse and accusing anyone who dares say anything different a "troll") is whether the approach of Bash Boris and the evil Tories will actually bring about an electoral change. I'd argue that it won't, it'll certainly serve the pat each other on the back and high 5 each anti comments) but I simply don't think it's enough to change the govt, in fact I think it puts off (the often silent) majority (or at least the 3-4 million people required to vote differently).
If you think you've been called a troll for disagreeing with others you really are an idiot.
Rise above it dude, rise above it.
I can't help that you're being an idiot. If you'd care to answer ANY of the points made to you, I might change my mind. However, it remains the case that my two year old has much better reasoning than you do and unlike you, he's learning every day.
AFZ
Remembering of course that I'm an idiot and it appears you have a superiority complex please do ask any question. Go for the one that is most pressing and urgent for you. I'm not going to respond to every point made but will happily answer any question you have. So how about you do that? One at a time though, you know what with me being an idiot of course
I'd stop it if I were you, MrMandid, you're not impressing anyone.
The only smart thing you've said here is that you'd expect to see a shift towards Labour before the next general election. I'm not a Labour voter but I certainly expect the see the same.
I also don't think we've seen the last of Boris's cock-ups. This is just the start.
I've decided I need to save the last few pages of this thread. Next time I come across someone inclined to think Mr Johnson is a good PM I'll pass it around. I'm sure seeing who they'd be associating with will cure anyone of any such ideas.
I'd stop it if I were you, MrMandid, you're not impressing anyone.
The only smart thing you've said here is that you'd expect to see a shift towards Labour before the next general election. I'm not a Labour voter but I certainly expect the see the same.
I also don't think we've seen the last of Boris's cock-ups. This is just the start.
You seem to be under the bizarre impression that I'm here to impress people. I'm not. If I make false comments or deliberately lie then fair enough. If you are worried about newbies such as myself offering a different perspective then that says more about the regular commentators here, not me. I've received a couple of personal messages of support saying that "I am wasting my time". And that may be the case, but I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt and think that people are prepared to listen to and respond to alternative views. I may be wrong of course.
Anyway. This different perspective and alternative view of yours. Does it consist of anything other than "Johnson won"? Because we know that. Mainly because of the shit we're all in, but we can also read.
If you actually want to discuss your stunning insights, then take it to Purgatory, where it can be rigorously tested in a serious manner. If you think it'll stand up to scrutiny, then you have nothing to fear.
....And that may be the case, but I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt and think that people are prepared to listen to and respond to alternative views. I may be wrong of course.
I promise you, as soon as you articulate an alternative view (without contradicting yourself), there are a lot of people here who will respond to you.
....And that may be the case, but I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt and think that people are prepared to listen to and respond to alternative views. I may be wrong of course.
I promise you, as soon as you articulate an alternative view (without contradicting yourself), there are a lot of people here who will respond to you.
Thats not a question though. My view remains constant on our friend Mr Johnson. He was democratically elected, the opinion polls indicate good support for him and I prefer an option of support more than criticism. What I think "should" be and "are" may of course differ, as I guess many people think too. But to enact change more is required than simple criticism which to be fair any old sod is capable of.
Comments
Does trolling people on the internet save lives???
It's possible.
Maybe he's off trolling on some other site and will get back to us when he has time.
I rather suspect he's obeying his beloved PM and government, to a certain extent, by staying at home (or alert), and protecting the NHS. Well, there's got to be something left, to sell to Trump!
As for saving lives, it's clear he doesn't give a toss - or won't, unless he himself becomes one of the appalling statistics we read about daily.
I suspect shame is yet another of the things of which he is incapable and has failed to apologise for.
Perhaps Mr M has gone off to find a dictionary?
But he might be back, if he can't find another bone to gnaw...
There is, of course, the traditional means of summoning, if one were so inclined:
*clip-clop clip-clop*
I was reading that story to my 2 year old this morning.
Talking of Zoglet 1, he clearly has better power of reasoning than Mr Whatshisface. You see I can convince Zoglet 1 to eat various things on his plate in return for the promise of another carrot (his favourite). By contrast our dull troll thinks he's being consistent whilst he simultaneously claims that only electoral success matters in judging a Prime Minister at the same time as claiming the Best PM in 100 years is a man who had very limited electoral success (lost 2 out of 3 elections and won one despite losing the popular vote).
Now, I happen to agree that Churchill was a great PM but on the rather more rational basis that Sir Winston showed strong, courageous and decisive leadership at a time of national crisis. Could the contrast with Boris be anymore stark?
AFZ
The Dweller Under The Bridge wouldn't agree - all the more reason, ISTM, for not wasting any more time on him.
I appreciate that peeps have said to me that scrolling past certain posts might mean that I miss something useful or informative, but, in this case, I think not.
Mostly continuing in my job as I am defined as a key worker. Today involved a PPE run to services and re-iterating the message to managers about social distancing and finding creative ways to explain the process to the people with autism and learning disabilities that the charity I work for support.
Nope, sorry to disappoint, I was working.
The most recent approval rating for Boris, who hopefully one day will be knighted is Approve 57% Disapprove 35%.
Naturally I understand the reticence of opinion polls, I mean compared to outrage on forums what could they possibly mean?
But just a hint, if y'all really do want change then you need to convince people, not just rant in echo chambers. ;-)
There you go, that wasn't so difficult now was it.
Well now, well, well, well. As much as I hate gotchas, you've very selectively quoted that, haven't you?
Sir Keir Starmer overtakes Boris Johnson in approval ratings as Brits rate leaders' performances
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+27:17&version=NIV
All hail Keir, Our beloved and wonderful leader...
Neither Does Mr M, except when it suits him...
Indeed he does. Sir Keir's approval rating as leader of the opposition is quite impressive. He's not had to actually do much but compared to the previous leader he is certainly much more preferred. That said the political party he leads lags by 16% and the direct question of who would you prefer as PM in the last poll (Opinium end April) shows Boris on 44% and Sir Keir on 23%. So, yes, well done for being better than Corbyn, not exactly difficult mind you.
So if 57% approve is worse than 44% approve yes your spin is accurate!
57-35 = 22
44-17 = 27
27 > 22
And that is how approval ratings are generally reckoned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election
Straight facts and results. No media spin.
By spin doctors for sure. Did you work for the last Blair government?
I think one of the things we can say about Johnson is that he is unpredictable. I can't remember which historian it was, but one of them interviewed on Radio 4 when Boris became PM said that Johnson was so mercurial that he could conceive of circumstances where he might actually act Churchillian in a crisis and be the best PM we've ever had ... alternatively ...
At present, my money is on the alternative. He's going to mess up big time.
In addition, if you are choosing to disregard the don't knows/not sures the last opinion poll of preferred leader of the nation is Boris 44%, Sir Keir 23%.
He already is. The catastrophe unfolding in care homes is that mess.
That is but one of the mess ups.
Now, I have to ask Mr Motormouth if he can name one thing that makes Johnson so great? You know, apart from poll ratings...
AFZ
Absolutely opinion polls do change, and personally (depending on post covid-19 policies) and up to the next election I would expect them to move more favorably towards Labour. But the opinion polls are presently all we have to go on. Now of course individuals will highlight failings and this thread is full of that particular approach and simply saying shit about Boris is of course everyone's right but the more interesting discussion (aside from personal abuse and accusing anyone who dares say anything different a "troll") is whether the approach of Bash Boris and the evil Tories will actually bring about an electoral change. I'd argue that it won't, it'll certainly serve the pat each other on the back and high 5 each anti comments) but I simply don't think it's enough to change the govt, in fact I think it puts off (the often silent) majority (or at least the 3-4 million people required to vote differently).
If you think you've been called a troll for disagreeing with others you really are an idiot.
Ensuring that Corbyn will never enter Number 10, trouncing him at the election and seeing a 80 seat Tory majority were all great in my book. (I havent thought up a suitable insult name for you yet, still unworthy of such ;-)
Rise above it dude, rise above it.
Wow. That is possibly your stupidest post yet. And that is saying something.
I can't help that you're being an idiot. If you'd care to answer ANY of the points made to you, I might change my mind. However, it remains the case that my two year old has much better reasoning than you do and unlike you, he's learning every day.
AFZ
Ahhh. Insults on the internet from a stranger. Good for you old bean. If you want some fun reading here's this for you x
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election
Remembering of course that I'm an idiot and it appears you have a superiority complex please do ask any question. Go for the one that is most pressing and urgent for you. I'm not going to respond to every point made but will happily answer any question you have. So how about you do that? One at a time though, you know what with me being an idiot of course
The only smart thing you've said here is that you'd expect to see a shift towards Labour before the next general election. I'm not a Labour voter but I certainly expect the see the same.
I also don't think we've seen the last of Boris's cock-ups. This is just the start.
You seem to be under the bizarre impression that I'm here to impress people. I'm not. If I make false comments or deliberately lie then fair enough. If you are worried about newbies such as myself offering a different perspective then that says more about the regular commentators here, not me. I've received a couple of personal messages of support saying that "I am wasting my time". And that may be the case, but I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt and think that people are prepared to listen to and respond to alternative views. I may be wrong of course.
If you actually want to discuss your stunning insights, then take it to Purgatory, where it can be rigorously tested in a serious manner. If you think it'll stand up to scrutiny, then you have nothing to fear.
And yet no specific question that I haven't answered.......interesting.
I promise you, as soon as you articulate an alternative view (without contradicting yourself), there are a lot of people here who will respond to you.
Thats not a question though. My view remains constant on our friend Mr Johnson. He was democratically elected, the opinion polls indicate good support for him and I prefer an option of support more than criticism. What I think "should" be and "are" may of course differ, as I guess many people think too. But to enact change more is required than simple criticism which to be fair any old sod is capable of.