Martin54, shove it

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  • {Helpfully gives Martin a well-supplied sewing kit.}
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    lol!
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    edited January 2019
    Life eh? The Missus said that behind every broken person we meet there's a story. As we sat in the smoking yard of The Marquis Weillington. I threw an imaginary handful of beads on the table and said that the imaginary thread we weave to connect them is the story. And there are genuine people here doing that and dog piling on poor little me for saying that the emperor's threads and even his beads aren't there. That God intervenes. That the Bible is more than text. That exorcism is real. That God is finite. So I must be right. That's infinity for you.

    Is there a true, full, complete, absolute, real, relevant story?
  • Martin54 wrote: »
    Is there a true, full, complete, absolute, real, relevant story?

    Yes. The old old one.
  • As in the same old?
  • No.
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    edited January 2019
    Doc Tor wrote: »
    But I know for certain who I'd rather have a pint with...

    Watch out or I'll descend on the North East. Of yer got toilets up there yet? And decent bitter? Or do I have to bring me own Elvis Juice?
  • Quite the pair, Martin and Mark. One you can't understand what they're on about and the other you just wish you couldn't.

    What isn't clear my friend?
  • Martin54 wrote: »
    Doc Tor wrote: »
    But I know for certain who I'd rather have a pint with...

    Watch out or I'll descend on the North East. Of yer got toilets up there yet? And decent bitter? Or do I have to bring me own Elvis Juice?

    Indoor toilets, these days. Very few netties left.

    And the brewing science graduates don't seem to move far before deciding to heat the mash, so we've bespoke ales for every day of the year.
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    edited January 2019
    Ooooooooh. 'appen a man could die 'appeh. As like.
  • Why must you batter with snot every trivial thought and idea from your wee vacuous head, fry it into mush and then proclaim "look at what I cooked up?"
  • You don't fancy any then?
  • No, you cannot presume

    Seriously, this is getting annoying. It was boring when you were in thrall to the OT God you used to worship. It's just as tedious now you're presuming to speak for everyone who tries to interpret the Bible in a way that allows God to be the God of love.
  • Oh yes I can and so do I. God is love. What's that got to do with interpreting the Bible? That's an open question. How do we interpret the bible in the face of God being love in the face of eternity?
  • I guess it makes sense that the Hell threads on Martin and on MPaul have become intertwined. They’re variations on the same theme: I understand it all correctly, and anyone who doesn’t agree with me is blinded/unenlightened/liberal/skeptical/theist/fill-in-the-blank.

    Martin is still an inerrantist. He’s just changed his opinion about what, or who, is inerrant.
  • Eternity is inerrant. Very good rhetorical come back by the way.
  • No, you cannot presume

    Seriously, this is getting annoying. It was boring when you were in thrall to the OT God you used to worship. It's just as tedious now you're presuming to speak for everyone who tries to interpret the Bible in a way that allows God to be the God of love.

    Actually I'm not Ck. I'm presuming to speak for everyone confronted by eternity. Again, how does that conflict with God being love? Can you join up the dots please?
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    Tangent Alert: Maybe it's different on t'other side of the pond, Mark Betts, but as it happens, I work in an academic environment where lots of my colleagues have Ph.D. degrees. The custom, this pondside, is to use the title "doctor" for Ph.D.-holders in formal academic contexts only. It's never used socially, or in non-academic settings -- particularly as this can cause confusion where "doctor," this pondside, is commonly used in all contexts for practitioners with M.D. degrees. It's also sometimes used for clergy with doctorates in divinity. This side of the pond, ordinary academic personnel who insist on being called "doctor" in non-academic settings might fairly be suspected of insecurity about their status -- or, if you prefer, "arrogant."

    As for Doc Tor, I always assumed the poster in question was a hiker, based on his use of "Tor" in his Ship handle.
  • I assumed a geologist.
  • Yes, and yes.
  • Ohher wrote: »
    Tangent Alert: Maybe it's different on t'other side of the pond, Mark Betts, but as it happens, I work in an academic environment where lots of my colleagues have Ph.D. degrees. The custom, this pondside, is to use the title "doctor" for Ph.D.-holders in formal academic contexts only. It's never used socially, or in non-academic settings -- particularly as this can cause confusion where "doctor," this pondside, is commonly used in all contexts for practitioners with M.D. degrees. It's also sometimes used for clergy with doctorates in divinity. This side of the pond, ordinary academic personnel who insist on being called "doctor" in non-academic settings might fairly be suspected of insecurity about their status -- or, if you prefer, "arrogant."

    As for Doc Tor, I always assumed the poster in question was a hiker, based on his use of "Tor" in his Ship handle.

    I was going to link the Thompson Twins song Doctor Doctor, but after listening to it for 90 seconds I decided that I just couldn't do it. Instead, I am posting this documentary about a visit to a Doctor's office in the United Kingdom, paid for by the National Health Service, and its consequences.
  • I'd thought Doc Tor was probably a Doctor Who fan. That's the way that the Daleks say the Doc's name.
  • Mark BettsMark Betts Shipmate
    edited January 2019
    I think you are right, he has said this. But I also think there is another reason for using "Doc Tor". Of all the sayings and phrases associated with the Daleks, why that? I am of the opinion that, as well as being a reference to his favourite Sci-Fi series, he also wants to ensure everyone is aware he has a Ph.D.
  • So we are blessed to have an anonymous PhD geologist. As we are a nuclear physicist, doctors, IT consultants (me!), all manner of academics, other health professionals, writers. Which is all good to know.
  • Mark Betts wrote: »
    I think you are right, he has said this. But I also think there is another reason for using "Doc Tor". Of all the sayings and phrases associated with the Daleks, why that? I am of the opinion that, as well as being a reference to his favourite Sci-Fi series, he also wants to ensure everyone is aware he has a Ph.D.

    This is absolutely the case. Kneel before me, peasant.
  • Doc Tor wrote: »
    Mark Betts wrote: »
    I think you are right, he has said this. But I also think there is another reason for using "Doc Tor". Of all the sayings and phrases associated with the Daleks, why that? I am of the opinion that, as well as being a reference to his favourite Sci-Fi series, he also wants to ensure everyone is aware he has a Ph.D.

    This is absolutely the case. Kneel before me, peasant.

    What!!? I'll have you know I gained an 'O' level in Art you know!
  • Martin54 wrote: »
    So we are blessed to have an anonymous PhD geologist. As we are a nuclear physicist, doctors, IT consultants (me!), all manner of academics, other health professionals, writers. Which is all good to know.

    I must say I admire your humility in putting yourself between Doctors and "all manner of academia."
  • Mark Betts wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    So we are blessed to have an anonymous PhD geologist. As we are a nuclear physicist, doctors, IT consultants (me!), all manner of academics, other health professionals, writers. Which is all good to know.

    I must say I admire your humility in putting yourself between Doctors and "all manner of academia."

    Yes, I know - should be small 'd' for "doctors."
  • No one but you gives a shit about this stuff. Your reputation rests on what you post. You. Martin. Me.

    You want a reputation that's snake-belly low then just carry on.
  • mr cheesymr cheesy Shipmate
    edited January 2019
    Mark Betts wrote: »
    Mark Betts wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    So we are blessed to have an anonymous PhD geologist. As we are a nuclear physicist, doctors, IT consultants (me!), all manner of academics, other health professionals, writers. Which is all good to know.

    I must say I admire your humility in putting yourself between Doctors and "all manner of academia."

    Yes, I know - should be small 'd' for "doctors."

    Nope, you were right the first time. Capital D for Doctor Jones, Geologist is absolutely fine.

    And this might be a pond difference, but in the UK it is perfectly acceptable to refer to someone with a doctorate as Doctor.

    In Germany I understand that university academics commonly complete more than one doctorate and so are accurately called Dr. Dr. Academic. If they have a university professorship they can even be called Prof. Dr. Dr. Academic (or even more complicated combinations of prenomials). It's not showing off if you've properly earned them.

    No big deal, no assumption that anyone is somehow being previous. They've earned the qualification and the can use the prenominal if they want to (or not if they don't).
  • mr cheesy wrote: »
    And this might be a pond difference, but in the UK it is perfectly acceptable to refer to someone with a doctorate as Doctor.
    I’m not sure that there’s that much of a difference. I don’t really see the “Doctor used in academic contexts only” usage that @Ohher described. In my experience it’s normal to call anyone with a doctorate “Doctor,” whether the context is academic, social or other.

  • mr cheesy wrote: »
    Nope, you were right the first time. Capital D for Doctor Jones, Geologist is absolutely fine.

    And this might be a pond difference, but in the UK it is perfectly acceptable to refer to someone with a doctorate as Doctor....
    Hang on a sec - I'm pretty sure Martin54 was referring to the noun "doctors", meaning persons licensed to practice medicine etc.

    Please read it again CAREFULLY:
    Martin54 wrote: »
    So we are blessed to have an anonymous PhD geologist. As we are a nuclear physicist, doctors, IT consultants (me!), all manner of academics, other health professionals, writers. Which is all good to know.

  • "I'm a doctor but not the sort that helps people" is probably what I should get printed on the reverse of my business card.
  • mr cheesymr cheesy Shipmate
    edited January 2019
    Mark Betts wrote: »
    mr cheesy wrote: »
    Nope, you were right the first time. Capital D for Doctor Jones, Geologist is absolutely fine.

    And this might be a pond difference, but in the UK it is perfectly acceptable to refer to someone with a doctorate as Doctor....
    Hang on a sec - I'm pretty sure Martin54 was referring to the noun "doctors", meaning persons licensed to practice medicine etc.

    Please read it again CAREFULLY:
    Martin54 wrote: »
    So we are blessed to have an anonymous PhD geologist. As we are a nuclear physicist, doctors, IT consultants (me!), all manner of academics, other health professionals, writers. Which is all good to know.

    Get off your high horse.

    A group of medics would often/normally be called a group of Doctors. A group of people with doctorates can be called Doctors (although, to be honest, I don't know if/why anyone would). I don't think it is a major problem to use 'doctors', but it is arguably not correct for either the honorific or the true prenomial.

    Why do you keep making these points about grammatical purity when you haven't the first idea what you are talking about?
  • Doc Tor wrote: »
    "I'm a doctor but not the sort that helps people" is probably what I should get printed on the reverse of my business card.

    I'm sure you refer to yourself as "Dr." on the front of your business card - but no-one is taking issue with that.
  • Mark Betts wrote: »
    Doc Tor wrote: »
    "I'm a doctor but not the sort that helps people" is probably what I should get printed on the reverse of my business card.

    I'm sure you refer to yourself as "Dr." on the front of your business card - but no-one is taking issue with that.

    And you know this, how, exactly?

  • Mark BettsMark Betts Shipmate
    edited January 2019
    mr cheesy wrote: »
    Mark Betts wrote: »
    mr cheesy wrote: »
    Nope, you were right the first time. Capital D for Doctor Jones, Geologist is absolutely fine.

    And this might be a pond difference, but in the UK it is perfectly acceptable to refer to someone with a doctorate as Doctor....
    Hang on a sec - I'm pretty sure Martin54 was referring to the noun "doctors", meaning persons licensed to practice medicine etc.

    Please read it again CAREFULLY:
    Martin54 wrote: »
    So we are blessed to have an anonymous PhD geologist. As we are a nuclear physicist, doctors, IT consultants (me!), all manner of academics, other health professionals, writers. Which is all good to know.

    Get off your high horse.

    A group of medics would often/normally be called a group of Doctors. A group of people with doctorates can be called Doctors (although, to be honest, I don't know if/why anyone would). I don't think it is a major problem to use 'doctors', but it is arguably not correct for either the honorific or the true prenomial.

    Why do you keep making these points about grammatical purity when you haven't the first idea what you are talking about?

    Hark who's talking! If you remember, I was correcting MYSELF - then YOU had to jump on the bandwagon.
  • mr cheesy wrote: »
    Mark Betts wrote: »
    Doc Tor wrote: »
    "I'm a doctor but not the sort that helps people" is probably what I should get printed on the reverse of my business card.

    I'm sure you refer to yourself as "Dr." on the front of your business card - but no-one is taking issue with that.

    And you know this, how, exactly?

    Just stop being stupid.
  • Mark Betts wrote: »
    mr cheesy wrote: »
    Mark Betts wrote: »
    Doc Tor wrote: »
    "I'm a doctor but not the sort that helps people" is probably what I should get printed on the reverse of my business card.

    I'm sure you refer to yourself as "Dr." on the front of your business card - but no-one is taking issue with that.

    And you know this, how, exactly?

    Just stop being stupid.

    Oh wait, I get it now. It's because you are a dickhead.

    An insecure little shit with barely two 'O' levels to rub together who likes to try to get himself noticed by attempting to devalue and ridicule people who have 6 or more years of formal education than he does (which, as far as I can see is pretty much everyone) by pickinh up on typos.

    It's pathetic, Mark.

    Nobody would give two craps about your education if you stopped illustrating how dim you are.
  • mr cheesy wrote: »
    Mark Betts wrote: »
    mr cheesy wrote: »
    Mark Betts wrote: »
    Doc Tor wrote: »
    "I'm a doctor but not the sort that helps people" is probably what I should get printed on the reverse of my business card.

    I'm sure you refer to yourself as "Dr." on the front of your business card - but no-one is taking issue with that.

    And you know this, how, exactly?

    Just stop being stupid.

    Oh wait, I get it now. It's because you are a dickhead.

    An insecure little shit with barely two 'O' levels to rub together who likes to try to get himself noticed by attempting to devalue and ridicule people who have 6 or more years of formal education than he does (which, as far as I can see is pretty much everyone) by pickinh up on typos.

    It's pathetic, Mark.

    Nobody would give two craps about your education if you stopped illustrating how dim you are.

    No - I was right to begin with - I was correcting MY OWN grammar. There was no need for you to respond to my comment at all, but you think your voice is so important it just HAS to be heard. Fuck off.
  • Mark Betts wrote: »
    mr cheesy wrote: »
    Mark Betts wrote: »
    mr cheesy wrote: »
    Mark Betts wrote: »
    Doc Tor wrote: »
    "I'm a doctor but not the sort that helps people" is probably what I should get printed on the reverse of my business card.

    I'm sure you refer to yourself as "Dr." on the front of your business card - but no-one is taking issue with that.

    And you know this, how, exactly?

    Just stop being stupid.

    Oh wait, I get it now. It's because you are a dickhead.

    An insecure little shit with barely two 'O' levels to rub together who likes to try to get himself noticed by attempting to devalue and ridicule people who have 6 or more years of formal education than he does (which, as far as I can see is pretty much everyone) by pickinh up on typos.

    It's pathetic, Mark.

    Nobody would give two craps about your education if you stopped illustrating how dim you are.

    No - I was right to begin with - I was correcting MY OWN grammar. There was no need for you to respond to my comment at all, but you think your voice is so important it just HAS to be heard. Fuck off.

    Your comment was bullshit. Not only was it wrong, it didn't need saying at all.

    Continuing to double down isn't helping anything other than illustrating how dim you are
  • Mark Betts wrote: »
    Doc Tor wrote: »
    "I'm a doctor but not the sort that helps people" is probably what I should get printed on the reverse of my business card.

    I'm sure you refer to yourself as "Dr." on the front of your business card - but no-one is taking issue with that.

    I'm going to have to check now, because I can't remember if I do or not.
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    This discussion is SO enlightening and inspirational. If there's ever another name-change occasion, I'll start insisting on being called "Professor" so you'll all sit admiringly at my feet, hanging on my every word as gospel truth, and buttering me generously on my way into and out of the classroom so as to smarm your ways toward better grades . . . oh. Wait. Never mind.
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    edited January 2019
    Then I'll correct my name to R∞K. Puzzle that out, if you dare.
    Proof that one can be massively superior even without a formal doctorate degree by virtue of being smarter than everybody else.
  • Well, the confusion here is that suggests electrical mechanics not mechanical engineering.

    Didn't changing Foaming Draught from Flatulent Duck almost break the boards? So that name change amnesties are figments of wishful thinking?

    (And why is Mark Betts dancing all over Martin54's Hell thread, again, interrupting my discussion of Martin's doings with Martin? Why does he have to be greedy and take over two Hell threads?)
  • Hot cashews and Mousethief Coolers are available at the snack bar.
  • Well, the confusion here is that suggests electrical mechanics not mechanical engineering.

    Didn't changing Foaming Draught from Flatulent Duck almost break the boards? So that name change amnesties are figments of wishful thinking?

    (And why is Mark Betts dancing all over Martin54's Hell thread, again, interrupting my discussion of Martin's doings with Martin? Why does he have to be greedy and take over two Hell threads?)

    I'm beginning to think they are sock puppets for each other.

    Narcissistic sock puppets who can't decide which one of Me that it's All About.

    AFF


  • Martin has impressive skills if he can channel a second personality as dumb and stupid as Mark Betts.

    Given that his usual rhetoric is way, way, off with the fairies I doubt he could do something as mundane as inventing a Russian Orthodox tosspot.
  • (And why is Mark Betts dancing all over Martin54's Hell thread, again, interrupting my discussion of Martin's doings with Martin? Why does he have to be greedy and take over two Hell threads?)
    A single Hell cannot contain him?

  • It's just that Mark Betts is a dickhead. Everywhere he posts he illustrates his dickheadyness. Even in threads about other people's boneheadness.
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