One guess would be that looked at from the point of view of the diocese, once you go less than about half time in a post with provided housing the cost/value of the provided house (which is counted as part of the overall remuneration package) is regarded as an appropriate level of remuneration for the post.
House for duty is sometimes used in a transitional way as a parish or benefice becomes part of a larger group. In that case one of the key roles of the House for Duty priest is (or should be) to encourage and develop greater lay ownership and participation.
Just out of interest, are there priests with their own houses who basically perform as if they were HfD and are granted appropriate living expenses (eg Council Tax, Water Rates or even rent paid by the parish)?
There are some. Usually they are paid a housing allowance calculated to give them something financially equivalent to the value of having the house to live in. It’s not a very common situation.
I don't know what the current nomenclature is, but they used to be called self-supporting ministers, SSMs. I can find lots of documents from different dioceses, but not something from the CofE site. And a book published in April 2018 on SSM with blurb that says:
... with around 30% of all Church of England priests now SSM – this is a future to take seriously. ..
Deacons can't officially bless. But any baptized Christian can baptize in case of an emergency.
All can bless - depends on how you read the bible of course and interpret your rules. It really needs a bit of lateral thinking around the concept of ordination and calling - you could then have a more flexible set up.
Deacons are not authorised to preside at the Mass/Eucharist, nor to absolve, but with those two exceptions, a deacon can do everything that a priest does.
Deacons can't officially bless. But any baptized Christian can baptize in case of an emergency.
All can bless - depends on how you read the bible of course and interpret your rules. It really needs a bit of lateral thinking around the concept of ordination and calling - you could then have a more flexible set up.
Deacons are not authorised to preside at the Mass/Eucharist, nor to absolve, but with those two exceptions, a deacon can do everything that a priest does.
AIUI, no priest absolves either - pronounces absolution, yes, absolves no
Deacons can't officially bless. But any baptized Christian can baptize in case of an emergency.
All can bless - depends on how you read the bible of course and interpret your rules. It really needs a bit of lateral thinking around the concept of ordination and calling - you could then have a more flexible set up.
Deacons are not authorised to preside at the Mass/Eucharist, nor to absolve, but with those two exceptions, a deacon can do everything that a priest does.
All. No exceptions save that which are created by man
Every fellowship exercises discernment over who is authorised to minister within it or on its behalf, and about what kind of preparation/training is needed for them to exercise that calling faithfully and well.
In a congregational setting that recognition/ authorisation/ permission is limited to one congregation-though they may commend someone to another congregation.
In the Anglican set-up the authorisation for some ministries is locally (parish and diocesan level) discerned/ conferred, but according to nationally agreed standards, so the authorisation is ‘good’ across many congregations.
In the Anglican set-up the authorisation for some ministries is locally (parish and diocesan level) discerned/ conferred, but according to nationally agreed standards, so the authorisation is ‘good’ across many congregations.
It's not either/or in our movement (UK Baptist Union) but both/and. Many of us don't see a ordained/lay divide.
Deacons can't officially bless. But any baptized Christian can baptize in case of an emergency.
All can bless - depends on how you read the bible of course and interpret your rules. It really needs a bit of lateral thinking around the concept of ordination and calling - you could then have a more flexible set up.
Deacons are not authorised to preside at the Mass/Eucharist, nor to absolve, but with those two exceptions, a deacon can do everything that a priest does.
AIUI, no priest absolves either - pronounces absolution, yes, absolves no
I am open to correction if my wording is ambiguous, but you know what I mean.
Deacons can't officially bless. But any baptized Christian can baptize in case of an emergency.
All can bless - depends on how you read the bible of course and interpret your rules. It really needs a bit of lateral thinking around the concept of ordination and calling - you could then have a more flexible set up.
Deacons are not authorised to preside at the Mass/Eucharist, nor to absolve, but with those two exceptions, a deacon can do everything that a priest does.
All. No exceptions save that which are created by man
OK, to rephrase that, for with those two exceptions read apart from that.
Deacons can't officially bless. But any baptized Christian can baptize in case of an emergency.
All can bless - depends on how you read the bible of course and interpret your rules. It really needs a bit of lateral thinking around the concept of ordination and calling - you could then have a more flexible set up.
Deacons are not authorised to preside at the Mass/Eucharist, nor to absolve, but with those two exceptions, a deacon can do everything that a priest does.
AIUI, no priest absolves either - pronounces absolution, yes, absolves no
I am open to correction if my wording is ambiguous, but you know what I mean.
Well, no, I did not know what you meant. It's quite a while since you were a regular poster and I could not remember your stance on a whole range of things. And there are quite a lot of people around who would say that the priest is absolving.
My frequency of posting varies and there are not enough hours in the day to dwell on the shipboards too long at a time. Also, the right subject for me to participate isn't always there.
There are seven sacraments you know - two greater and five lesser. Most (but not all) the seven, a deacon can do, excluding ordination which only a bishop can do and celebrating the Mass/Eucharist and Penance, which only a priest (and bishop) can do.
My frequency of posting varies and there are not enough hours in the day to dwell on the shipboards too long at a time. Also, the right subject for me to participate isn't always there.
There are seven sacraments you know - two greater and five lesser. Most (but not all) the seven, a deacon can do, excluding ordination which only a bishop can do and celebrating the Mass/Eucharist and Penance, which only a priest (and bishop) can do.
I respect your view and opinion but it isn't a universal view with others who believe with sincerity. It all depends on which Christian tradition you come from.
There are those here who see only two sacraments (holy places where we encounter God in a special way) - they being baptism and communion. Personally I'd go with only one sacrament: the earth is the Lord's and everything in it (Psalm 24:1) which puts the whole of life into encounter and worship. It also means you don't need a "clerical" class to act as mediator.
My frequency of posting varies and there are not enough hours in the day to dwell on the shipboards too long at a time. Also, the right subject for me to participate isn't always there.
There are seven sacraments you know - two greater and five lesser. Most (but not all) the seven, a deacon can do, excluding ordination which only a bishop can do and celebrating the Mass/Eucharist and Penance, which only a priest (and bishop) can do.
I respect your view and opinion but it isn't a universal view with others who believe with sincerity. It all depends on which Christian tradition you come from.
There are those here who see only two sacraments (holy places where we encounter God in a special way) - they being baptism and communion. Personally I'd go with only one sacrament: the earth is the Lord's and everything in it (Psalm 24:1) which puts the whole of life into encounter and worship. It also means you don't need a "clerical" class to act as mediator.
I wasn't going to mention the seven sacraments and I recognise that some only recognise two. That was in reply to something Gee D posted, saying that I don't post often enough to know what my stance was about various theological considerations (or words to that effect).
Our Father NewPriest has now reintroduced Morning Prayer on Sundays, using the 1662 BCP. It's a said service, but he likes to have a suitable Office Hymn sung as well (using the English Hymnal).
We have had this service in the past, but left off advertising it publicly, as there were occasions when no-one, lay or otherwise, was around to lead it! Already, one or two of the Faithful are beginning to use it as a quiet time of preparation for the Mass (MP at 930am, Parish Mass at 1030am).
Evening Prayer (at 6pm on Sundays) uses the Franciscan Office (on which IIRC the Common Worship 2000 Offices were based). Again, one or two folk are taking advantage of a Sunday evening service, and I understand that on the first Sunday each month, and on major Festivals, Evening Prayer will be followed by Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament.
Moreover, Father NP has said that anyone attending Evening Prayer who has not been able to receive Communion during the day will be able to do so, using the Sacrament reserved at the morning Mass. This reminds me of the practice of the erstwhile Catholic Apostolic Church back in the 19th C, which allowed just this at its Sunday afternoon service.
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House for duty is sometimes used in a transitional way as a parish or benefice becomes part of a larger group. In that case one of the key roles of the House for Duty priest is (or should be) to encourage and develop greater lay ownership and participation.
Deacons are not authorised to preside at the Mass/Eucharist, nor to absolve, but with those two exceptions, a deacon can do everything that a priest does.
AIUI, no priest absolves either - pronounces absolution, yes, absolves no
All. No exceptions save that which are created by man
In a congregational setting that recognition/ authorisation/ permission is limited to one congregation-though they may commend someone to another congregation.
In the Anglican set-up the authorisation for some ministries is locally (parish and diocesan level) discerned/ conferred, but according to nationally agreed standards, so the authorisation is ‘good’ across many congregations.
I am open to correction if my wording is ambiguous, but you know what I mean.
OK, to rephrase that, for with those two exceptions read apart from that.
Well, no, I did not know what you meant. It's quite a while since you were a regular poster and I could not remember your stance on a whole range of things. And there are quite a lot of people around who would say that the priest is absolving.
There are seven sacraments you know - two greater and five lesser. Most (but not all) the seven, a deacon can do, excluding ordination which only a bishop can do and celebrating the Mass/Eucharist and Penance, which only a priest (and bishop) can do.
I respect your view and opinion but it isn't a universal view with others who believe with sincerity. It all depends on which Christian tradition you come from.
There are those here who see only two sacraments (holy places where we encounter God in a special way) - they being baptism and communion. Personally I'd go with only one sacrament: the earth is the Lord's and everything in it (Psalm 24:1) which puts the whole of life into encounter and worship. It also means you don't need a "clerical" class to act as mediator.
I wasn't going to mention the seven sacraments and I recognise that some only recognise two. That was in reply to something Gee D posted, saying that I don't post often enough to know what my stance was about various theological considerations (or words to that effect).
I have no reasons to argue about that!
We have had this service in the past, but left off advertising it publicly, as there were occasions when no-one, lay or otherwise, was around to lead it! Already, one or two of the Faithful are beginning to use it as a quiet time of preparation for the Mass (MP at 930am, Parish Mass at 1030am).
Evening Prayer (at 6pm on Sundays) uses the Franciscan Office (on which IIRC the Common Worship 2000 Offices were based). Again, one or two folk are taking advantage of a Sunday evening service, and I understand that on the first Sunday each month, and on major Festivals, Evening Prayer will be followed by Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament.
Moreover, Father NP has said that anyone attending Evening Prayer who has not been able to receive Communion during the day will be able to do so, using the Sacrament reserved at the morning Mass. This reminds me of the practice of the erstwhile Catholic Apostolic Church back in the 19th C, which allowed just this at its Sunday afternoon service.