Arguing on the Ship - no, really?

BoogieBoogie Shipmate
@Brother Jude said - The bible also teaches us not to argue amongst ourselves so I'll leave it there.

Where is the laughing and bashing the floor emoji - I really need it!

I came here because this is hilarious. What is Purgatory for if not argument/discussion?

This also drives me maaad. 😤 😡

“On that note, I do not ask that you, or anyone, simply take my word for it. Go to the WORD, pray on it, if you will.”

To be told that we’ll agree with you if we read the Bible and pray enough.

What?

Why?

Why would your point of view be THE one which we found in our reading of the text. Utter piffle. 🙄🙄
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  • RicardusRicardus Shipmate
    We should be more like St Paul. He never argued with anyone, he just went with the flow, man.
  • I do like me a good old-fashioned proof-texter. If they are lacking in self-awareness, all the better.
  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    edited March 2019
    “On that note, I do not ask that you, or anyone, simply take my word for it. Go to the WORD, pray on it, if you will.”

    Why would one go to the building containing the Wales Office of Research and Development and pray ON it? Is this some new cult I am not familiar with?

  • Climacus wrote: »
    “On that note, I do not ask that you, or anyone, simply take my word for it. Go to the WORD, pray on it, if you will.”

    Why would one go to the building containing the Wales Office of Research and Development and pray ON it? Is this some new cult I am not familiar with?
    It's obvious init? WORD is clearly the head-offices of the anti-Christ and we need to spend all our time camped out on the roof in prayer and supplication in spiritual warfare against the powers of darkness within that building.

  • LeRocLeRoc Shipmate
    Wasn't that in a Dr Who episode somewhere?
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    Nah - it’s the Wechsler Objective Reading Dimensions test.

    Testing proof texting abilities.
  • Ricardus wrote: »
    We should be more like St Paul. He never argued with anyone, he just went with the flow, man.

    Be more like St Paul ? :lol:

    OK, I'll channel my inner nit-picking, lawyerly misogynist, though I'm not sure that will make me flavour of anyone's month.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Gin a proofer meet a proofer
    Comin’ through the rye
    Gin a proofer tell a proofer
    All ye’s are wrang but I

    Gin a proofer meet a proofer
    Comin’ through the glen
    Gin a proofer tell a proofer
    No, ye’r wrang - whit then?
  • How refreshing to meet such a Proofer - and what a relief from the everlasting Brexit shite elsewhere.....
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    Firenze wrote: »
    Gin a proofer meet a proofer
    Comin’ through the rye...
    Oh, well done, Firenze!

  • feet, dust time coming soon?
  • Firenze wrote: »
    Gin a proofer meet a proofer...
    Ah.. beautiful. That one will travel far, I promise.

  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    :grin: Wow! This is cool- someone astonished/annoyed Boogie (BOOGIE?!) enough to call them to Hell. Is this a first, Boogie?
  • I see everyone is in fine form this morning--especially Firenze.
    (:notworthy:) to all.
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    Lyda wrote: »
    :grin: Wow! This is cool- someone astonished/annoyed Boogie (BOOGIE?!) enough to call them to Hell. Is this a first, Boogie?

    No, I’ve had one or two petulant outbursts over the years.

    😷🤪😤🤯😜
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    Now to Brother Jude: The one who comes up with the most proof texts doesn't automatically win around here. If you say something like, "This (Bible text) is something I keep in mind when looking at sin and sinners because..." some people might agree and some may disagree but it doesn't look like you think you are someone in a beard coming down the mountain with stone tablets and a head of steam over golden calves.
  • Admittedly I see no multi-quote here so I'll address each comment separately, as time allows.
    Boogie wrote: »
    @Brother Jude said - The bible also teaches us not to argue amongst ourselves so I'll leave it there.

    Where is the laughing and bashing the floor emoji - I really need it!

    I came here because this is hilarious. What is Purgatory for if not argument/discussion?

    This also drives me maaad. 😤 😡

    “On that note, I do not ask that you, or anyone, simply take my word for it. Go to the WORD, pray on it, if you will.”

    To be told that we’ll agree with you if we read the Bible and pray enough.

    What?

    Why?

    Why would your point of view be THE one which we found in our reading of the text. Utter piffle. 🙄🙄

    Hmmm let me see if I've distilled this swill properly. You are angry, unsatisfied, disturbed by, or otherwise discontented with the expression of a biblical admonishment against dissention in the body of believers, used in context to express my personal lack of desire to undertake tedious, inane, pseudo-intellectual babble, which presents no conceivable end or beginning (circular logic if you will). Should I apologize for such affront?

    As to the latter point......do I need to sit down awhile & explain to you, or anyone else, the difference between claiming unassailable correctness & acknowledging that only God can claim such? You are angered because I encouraged mouse to seek his or her own understanding through earnest prayer & seeking in Godly fashion? Right then. Humility is wrong according to you & your band of accusers. Understood......
  • mr cheesymr cheesy Shipmate
    edited March 2019
    I assume you are an Evangelical. And a Protestant.

    You are aware that Mousethief is part of the church that believes your tradition dissented from the body of believers nearly 1000 years ago, are you? Oh small-minded and ignorant one.

    You've no right to adminish any one from anything.

    If you don't want to engage in our "tedious, inane, pseudo-intellectual babble" without passing off your pathetic opinions as inarguable truth, then please, use the door you came in through. Don't bother coming back.

    And if anyone asks you, then you can tell them that we don't appreciate canned biblical proof-texting around here, and we especially don't appreciate you waving your opinions about as fact.
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    Whatever is a ‘biblical admonishment’ when it’s at home?

    :confused:
  • Boogie wrote: »
    Whatever is a ‘biblical admonishment’ when it’s at home?

    :confused:

    It just means that he's decided what is biblical - and someone else does not immediately agree. Because he's an Evangelical and he knows these tings.
  • mr cheesy wrote: »
    I assume you are an Evangelical. And a Protestant.

    You are aware that Mousethief is part of the church that believes your tradition dissented from the body of believers nearly 1000 years ago, are you? Oh small-minded and ignorant one.

    You've no right to adminish any one from anything.

    If you don't want to engage in our "tedious, inane, pseudo-intellectual babble" without passing off your pathetic opinions as inarguable truth, then please, use the door you came in through. Don't bother coming back.

    And if anyone asks you, then you can tell them that we don't appreciate canned biblical proof-texting around here, and we especially don't appreciate you waving your opinions about as fact.

    I find it entertaining that you not only assume to know my religious background but that you also choose to accuse me of proclaiming some inerrant truth, when I have done no such thing. I offered one interpretation of biblical doctrine, with an open invitation to discussion & other's interpretations. Apparently that was too much for you & the others who have found affront in my words. It shows your mindset when you automatically assume I made any predeterminations upon the nature of mouse's or any other's religious inclinations. You who seek to label as ignorant & small-minded do nothing but show such qualities within yourself.

    As it is written "Love your enemies & pray for those who persecute you."

    I do love you, brother, & I will pray for you.
  • balaambalaam Shipmate
    Boogie wrote: »
    Whatever is a ‘biblical admonishment’ when it’s at home?

    :confused:

    This,

    “You daughter of a perverse and rebellious woman!"

    Or this,

    “You blind fools!” Where the Greek for fools is moros from which we get...
  • Will the good brother condescend to fuck off?
  • mr cheesy wrote: »
    I assume you are an Evangelical. And a Protestant.

    You are aware that Mousethief is part of the church that believes your tradition dissented from the body of believers nearly 1000 years ago, are you? Oh small-minded and ignorant one.

    You've no right to adminish any one from anything.

    If you don't want to engage in our "tedious, inane, pseudo-intellectual babble" without passing off your pathetic opinions as inarguable truth, then please, use the door you came in through. Don't bother coming back.

    And if anyone asks you, then you can tell them that we don't appreciate canned biblical proof-texting around here, and we especially don't appreciate you waving your opinions about as fact.

    I find it entertaining that you not only assume to know my religious background but that you also choose to accuse me of proclaiming some inerrant truth,

    What do you are not an Evangelical. A liar too? Impressive.

  • tclunetclune Shipmate
    mr cheesy wrote: »
    <snip>
    You've no right to adminish any one from anything.
    <snip>
    Got irony?
  • Lyda wrote: »
    Now to Brother Jude: The one who comes up with the most proof texts doesn't automatically win around here. If you say something like, "This (Bible text) is something I keep in mind when looking at sin and sinners because..." some people might agree and some may disagree but it doesn't look like you think you are someone in a beard coming down the mountain with stone tablets and a head of steam over golden calves.

    I had thought my acknowledgment of possible incorrectness was evident in the wording of my initial post on the subject at hand. It would seem I was wrong, so be it, I stand corrected for assuming it was enough. Thank you for your relatively friendly correction.
  • @Brother Jude, I rather think that describing what Boogie (On Whom Be Peace) says as 'swill' is unlikely to win you friends, relative or otherwise.


  • I offered one interpretation of biblical doctrine, with an open invitation to discussion & other's interpretations. Apparently that was too much for you & the others who have found affront in my words.
    I think you'll find that what causes affront is when people engage in discussion and offer other interpretations and your response in to express a personal lack of desire to undertake tedious, inane, pseudo-intellectual babble. I can't see any reason to accept your invitation if you dismiss the discussion that follows as tedious, inane, pseudo-intellectual babble.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited March 2019
    And I'm afraid my Patience-O-Meter is not calibrated well enough to cope with tedious, inane, pseudo-intellectual babble.......

    I suspect I Am Not Alone.
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    I find it entertaining that you not only assume to know my religious background but that you also choose to accuse me of proclaiming some inerrant truth, when I have done no such thing. I offered one interpretation of biblical doctrine, with an open invitation to discussion & other's interpretations. ...
    What is your religious background, if one may ask?

    And you did write
    ...On that note, I do not ask that you, or anyone, simply take my word for it. Go to the WORD, pray on it, if you will. The bible also teaches us not to argue amongst ourselves so I'll leave it there.
    This does seem to suggest that you regard your interpretation as infallible. Such presumptions don't generally go over well here. (I, too, was impressed that it was @Boogie who issued the Hell call.)

    Furthermore, Purgatory is specifically conceived of as "our proper debate space for theology, ethics, politics, science, tech and culture." Attempts to unilaterally shut down discussion in that manner generally aren't well-received either.
    ...As it is written "Love your enemies & pray for those who persecute you."

    I do love you, brother, & I will pray for you.
    I don't think anyone here is your "enemy," let alone your persecutor. But it might be a good idea for you to get a better grasp of Ship culture before posting more in this vein, or this could turn into a very long thread indeed. That threatening way of promising prayer is also unpopular aboard the Ship.


  • @Brother Jude, I rather think that describing what Boogie (On Whom Be Peace) says as 'swill' is unlikely to win you friends, relative or otherwise.

    Something that is bitter & or hard to swallow is swill is it not? I came into a thread offering one potential interpretation of christian ideas on sin, with an overtly stated willingness for open & well thought-out discussion. Instead I was initially met with an I must be wrong because......I am, & was then called to hell for a pounding because I simply & kindly stated that I had no desire for argument & would bow put of the topic to avoid it. Such a reaction is bitter & hard to swallow, insofar as I am concerned, & as such I feel my analogy apt.
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    This is what comes from having bibles in your cults: people asserting they mean something. Very problematic when your cult is for arrogant monkeys who mostly just think about themselves.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited March 2019
    @Brother Jude, I rather think that describing what Boogie (On Whom Be Peace) says as 'swill' is unlikely to win you friends, relative or otherwise.

    Something that is bitter & or hard to swallow is swill is it not? I came into a thread offering one potential interpretation of christian ideas on sin, with an overtly stated willingness for open & well thought-out discussion. Instead I was initially met with an I must be wrong because......I am, & was then called to hell for a pounding because I simply & kindly stated that I had no desire for argument & would bow put of the topic to avoid it. Such a reaction is bitter & hard to swallow, insofar as I am concerned, & as such I feel my analogy apt.

    No, I just think you were being gratuitously/bloody rude about a Shipmate who is a far more balanced and thoughtful contributor than you seem to be. I'll leave it there, as @Boogie is perfectly capable of defending herself!
    RooK wrote: »
    This is what comes from having bibles in your cults: people asserting they mean something. Very problematic when your cult is for arrogant monkeys who mostly just think about themselves.

    This.

    And, on reflection, Pigs seem to find swill easy to swallow. Try some yourself.

  • @Brother Jude, I rather think that describing what Boogie (On Whom Be Peace) says as 'swill' is unlikely to win you friends, relative or otherwise.

    Something that is bitter & or hard to swallow is swill is it not? I came into a thread offering one potential interpretation of christian ideas on sin, with an overtly stated willingness for open & well thought-out discussion. Instead I was initially met with an I must be wrong because......I am, & was then called to hell for a pounding because I simply & kindly stated that I had no desire for argument & would bow put of the topic to avoid it. Such a reaction is bitter & hard to swallow, insofar as I am concerned, & as such I feel my analogy apt.

    No, I just think you were being gratuitously/bloody rude about a Shipmate who is a far more balanced and thoughtful contributor than you seem to be. I'll leave it there, as @Boogie is perfectly capable of defending herself!
    RooK wrote: »
    This is what comes from having bibles in your cults: people asserting they mean something. Very problematic when your cult is for arrogant monkeys who mostly just think about themselves.

    This.

    And, on reflection, Pigs seem to find swill easy to swallow. Try some yourself.

    Ahh yes offense it must be! It would seem I underestimated the lengths to which people will go these days to take offense. Surely it must be true, I have sought to offend all!

    A finer history lesson I could not have found had I been searching.

    Fear not, the offender is no more.
  • Oooh...have I caused a FLOUNCE??
    :flushed:
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate
    edited March 2019
    {Just in case Brother Jude is still around, 'cause I haven't had a chance to do this in a long time!}

    Brother Jude--

    We have a saying around here, handy in times like these:

    "I Thought This Was A Christian Website!"
    or
    "ITTWACW".

    Many apprentices board the Ship (may she and all who sail in her be blessed), assuming that one of the following is true: a) the crew agrees with the apprentice's understanding of Christianity; b) the crew are misguided, and need compassionate correction; c) the crew are vile heathens, "sinners in the hands of an angry God", and the apprentice will earn extra crowns and mansions for at least trying to show the miscreants the error of their ways, etc.

    A watchful apprentice may notice Shipmates who are currently Christians (of more flavors than Baskin-Robbins ever dreamed); Shipmates moving from/to Christianity; Shipmates who aren't Christians, don't wanna be, and are still wonderful, worthwhile, ethical people; and Shipmates who are just plain folks, whatever their beliefs. And (horrors) they have fun, wrestle, argue, laugh, and support each other.

    We are, after all, a community of Christian Unrest. :)

    If you come back, take it easy; pour something in an ITTWACW mug; and prepare to laugh.

    Or at least chuckle.

    ;)
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    I think you may have. Hot dog!
  • Yes, please - with tomato sauce, onions, and mustard...!!
  • Oh darn it was starting to get pleasingly ThomasDF-ish. That's always good for a ton of yuks.
  • Sorry about that. Tell your people to get in touch with my people.....
    :wink:
  • I was referring to the flounce.
  • Sorry to disappoint brothers & sisters but I am still here. I have just decided to refrain from further confrontation in such fashion. You have all made your opinions of me quite clear. I can neither say nor do anything to change them & as such further discourse is pointless, insofar as I can tell. You want to see me as an insulter & a fool so be it, or whatever word each of you pick to describe me.

    I will still love each of you regardless.

    Brother Jude
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    Ahh yes offense it must be! It would seem I underestimated the lengths to which people will go these days to take offense. Surely it must be true, I have sought to offend all!

    A finer history lesson I could not have found had I been searching.

    Fear not, the offender is no more.
    Oh, dear. This does look like a Flounce.

    @Brother Jude, I don't think that anyone here is looking to take offense. I think, rather, that you neglected to get a feel for the Ship's discourse and style before jumping into the deep end.

    I hope you'll stick around (trimming your sails a bit, perhaps). I'm still interested in knowing your faith tradition, and exploring the areas in which we agree and disagree.


  • Sorry to disappoint brothers & sisters but I am still here. I have just decided to refrain from further confrontation in such fashion. You have all made your opinions of me quite clear. I can neither say nor do anything to change them & as such further discourse is pointless, insofar as I can tell. You want to see me as an insulter & a fool so be it, or whatever word each of you pick to describe me.

    I will still love each of you regardless.

    Brother Jude

    Sometimes we take ourselves too seriously, and your last line is a good starting point for carrying on. Prior to what looked like an uncomfortable confrontation developing some years ago, I was advised by an old and greatly respected minister, "As a Christian, I know you will love him, but I don't think you are going to like him". He was right, but then we moved on.
  • We don't want you to go away, but I at least would like you to tone down the self-righteousness and judgmentalism. That you cannot see how you are being self-righteous or judgmental bodes ill for this hope.
  • You have all made your opinions of me quite clear. I can neither say nor do anything to change them & as such further discourse is pointless, insofar as I can tell. You want to see me as an insulter & a fool so be it, or whatever word each of you pick to describe me.

    I will still love each of you regardless.

    But will you like us? Note that even well established shipmates may get called to the hell board at times. Most of recognize that our opinions of each other of will change over time (assuming we can ken what they are saying in the case of at least one of our more obscure members). And that our own opinions on issues as well as people may change. The purgatory board is place for refining arguments on any issue except those classified as dead horses or ship administrative matters. To denounce arguing on it is to say that the board serves no purpose.
  • You have all made your opinions of me quite clear. I can neither say nor do anything to change them & as such further discourse is pointless, insofar as I can tell. You want to see me as an insulter & a fool so be it, or whatever word each of you pick to describe me.

    I will still love each of you regardless.

    But will you like us? Note that even well established shipmates may get called to the hell board at times. Most of recognize that our opinions of each other of will change over time (assuming we can ken what they are saying in the case of at least one of our more obscure members). And that our own opinions on issues as well as people may change. The purgatory board is place for refining arguments on any issue except those classified as dead horses or ship administrative matters. To denounce arguing on it is to say that the board serves no purpose.

    I was ot denouncing others right to argue just saying that I had no desire to do such. Perhaps that was unclear & if so I will gladly apologize
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    edited March 2019
    @Brother Jude said - I was not denouncing others right to argue just saying that I had no desire to do such. Perhaps that was unclear & if so I will gladly apologize.

    Thank you.

    If you have no desire to argue I suggest that you post in Heaven/All Saints/The Circus. Maybe get to know people that way.

    And please stop throwing Bible verses into discussions as if that ends the matter. Bible verses start the conversation and there is never one definitive interpretation.

    It’s part of the fascination and fun of the Ship - the wide diversity of views and traditions to be found here.
    @Brother Jude also said - You have all made your opinions of me quite clear.

    No, my OP definitely wasn’t my opinion of you. It was my opinion of your posting style. It was also my opinion of all times people try to end discussion by using the Bible. Discussion is good and healthy and shutting it down never goes well in my experience.

    Im glad you are sticking around, I’m sure you’ll come to appreciate the Ship as much as I do.
  • MooMoo Kerygmania Host
    Boogie wrote: »
    @Brother Jude also said - You have all made your opinions of me quite clear.

    No, my OP definitely wasn’t my opinion of you. It was my opinion of your posting style.

    This.

  • Boogie wrote: »
    @Brother Jude said - I was not denouncing others right to argue just saying that I had no desire to do such. Perhaps that was unclear & if so I will gladly apologize.

    Bible verses start the conversation and there is never one definitive interpretation.
    Er.. that's a definitive interpetation

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