Arguing on the Ship - no, really?

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  • finelinefineline Kerygmania Host, 8th Day Host
    Boogie wrote: »
    @Brother Jude said - I was not denouncing others right to argue just saying that I had no desire to do such. Perhaps that was unclear & if so I will gladly apologize.

    Bible verses start the conversation and there is never one definitive interpretation.
    Er.. that's a definitive interpetation

    Not really. It's something that can easily be observed. Different people and different church groups do interpret the Bible differently.
  • LeRocLeRoc Shipmate
    What's with the &?
  • fineline wrote: »
    Boogie wrote: »
    @Brother Jude said - I was not denouncing others right to argue just saying that I had no desire to do such. Perhaps that was unclear & if so I will gladly apologize.

    Bible verses start the conversation and there is never one definitive interpretation.
    Er.. that's a definitive interpetation

    Not really. It's something that can easily be observed. Different people and different church groups do interpret the Bible differently.
    We'll even have divergent opinions about whether a particular passage is even relevant to the question.

  • What's with all the ampersands in Brother Jude's posts, not to mention the way he gets Mousethief's name wrong not once but twice ...

    Another pedantry alert: Mr cheesy I think you'll find that Protestantism didn't exist 1,000 years ago, although I get what you're saying. To the Orthodox, Protestants and Catholics are two sides of the same coin, or so they tell me, and Western post-Schism Christianity per se has lost the plot to a greater or lesser extent.

    Whatever the case, being coy about one's ecclesial affiliation is a feature of particular types of independent evangelical. 'We are a body of believers ...'

    The Brethren used to do that and so did some of the independent charismatic evangelical crowd. I used to do it at one time. I understand the motivation, but it can come across as playing hard to get.

    With the best will in the world, various evangelical tropes can sound remarkably pious and self-righteous, even if they aren't intended that way.
  • Sorry to disappoint brothers & sisters but I am still here. I have just decided to refrain from further confrontation in such fashion. You have all made your opinions of me quite clear. I can neither say nor do anything to change them & as such further discourse is pointless, insofar as I can tell. You want to see me as an insulter & a fool so be it, or whatever word each of you pick to describe me.

    I will still love each of you regardless.

    Brother Jude

    Passive-Aggressive flouncing now :lol:
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited March 2019
    Yes, looks like it. Rather well-crafted, no?
    :wink:

    I can feeeeeel the lurvvvvve.........

    BTW, the frequent use of & clearly shows that Our Dear Brother is a founder-member of the little-known Ampers& Appreciation Society.
  • Yes, looks like it. Rather well-crafted, no?
    :wink:

    I can feeeeeel the lurvvvvve.........

    BTW, the frequent use of & clearly shows that Our Dear Brother is a founder-member of the little-known Ampers& Appreciation Society.
    Well, it is three syllables instead of one so Synthetic Dave has to work harder reading the text!

  • Martin54 used to be involved with Armstrongism.

    Perhaps Brother Jude is involved with Ampersandism?

    Or would that be AmperSandemanianism?
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited March 2019
    No, strictly speaking, that would be Ampers&demanianism.... :grimace:

    (or Ampers&Emanianism. I seem to have lost control of my capitals....).

    O, do keep up.....
  • Which uses the apocryphal book of Etal that ends with an "&" (at least in their translation).

    More seriously, the &s aren't leading to obscurantism.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited March 2019
    Well, no - but the &s are a welcome antidote to the Shite going on elsewhere in the world....

    .....& for that, & for all mercies received, may God & his Saints be praised!
    :love:
  • Well, no - but the &s are a welcome antidote to the Shite going on elsewhere in the world....

    .....& for that, & for all mercies received, may God & his Saints be praised!
    :love:

    This whole thread has been a very welcome and amusing distraction, cheers all!

  • Boogie wrote: »
    Whatever is a ‘biblical admonishment’ when it’s at home?

    :confused:

    I'm guessing it's what Brother Jude puts under the question: 'Other hobbies and interests' on a CV.
  • 'Other hobbies & interests', I think you mean.....
    :wink:
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    Boogie wrote: »
    @Brother Jude said - I was not denouncing others right to argue just saying that I had no desire to do such. Perhaps that was unclear & if so I will gladly apologize.

    Bible verses start the conversation and there is never one definitive interpretation.
    Er.. that's a definitive interpetation

    Interpretation of what?

  • O, this & that....

    I'll get me coat.

  • 'Other hobbies & interests', I think you mean.....
    :wink:

    I st& corrected!
  • :lol:

    Sorry, Brother Jude - but it's a quiet Sunday afternoon, & I need some R & R....let the reader underst&.
  • LeRocLeRoc Shipmate
    'Other hobbies & interests', I think you mean.....
    :wink:
    :joy:
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    I underst& the need to gr&ndst& & avoid bl&, off& words in screenl&. But thous&s find this shorth& underh& and worthy of reprim&.



  • You're all B&.
  • & on the eighth day, God created the ampersand. & then...
  • SusanDoris wrote: »
    Yes, looks like it. Rather well-crafted, no?
    :wink:

    I can feeeeeel the lurvvvvve.........

    BTW, the frequent use of & clearly shows that Our Dear Brother is a founder-member of the little-known Ampers& Appreciation Society.
    Well, it is three syllables instead of one so Synthetic Dave has to work harder reading the text!

    Is that a reference to your screen-reading technology Susan? If so, I commend you on getting to this post in the thread. :tongue:
  • Is that a reference to your screen-reading technology Susan? If so, I commend you on getting to this post in the thread. :tongue:

    I suppose it's just as well that Synthetic Dave (of SuperNova Dolphin software) is not programmed to have feelings - but reads everything in the same calm tones!

    I rather like Doc Tor's 'You're all b&', but it doesn't have quite the same ring about it when said as 'You're all b ampersand'!!
  • LeRocLeRoc Shipmate
    Je suis b ampersand!
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    To b ampersand or not to b ampersand?
  • SusanDoris wrote: »
    I rather like Doc Tor's 'You're all b&', but it doesn't have quite the same ring about it when said as 'You're all b ampersand'!!

    Clearly nothing gets past Synthetic Dave.
  • Don't mock, the symbol can be very h&y
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    On a serious note @SusanDoris, most of my blind friends use Apple voiceover software for their screen reader. You can adjust the level of detail it reads and choose which punctuation it reads out and which it doesn’t.

    I’m sure yours will have the same or similar settings. :smile:
  • I write using the ampersand in all my day to day notes as well. Granted when I use it in real life it has more the appearance f an E with a line through it but still
  • still what?
    :wink:

    But, seriously, spare a thought for people like SusanDoris, reliant on a voice reader. As for the rest of us, well, you provided some much-appreciated respite from Brex Shit.
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    I write using the ampersand in all my day to day notes as well. Granted when I use it in real life it has more the appearance f an E with a line through it but still
    It does seem a bit affected - and, as BF has noted, it's hard on those who use voice readers.

  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    I write using the ampersand in all my day to day notes as well. Granted when I use it in real life it has more the appearance f an E with a line through it but still

    My every utterance is accompanied by a choir of angels in all my day-to-day conversations, yet somehow I do manage to make do with the modality here in a manner that is functional.
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    @RooK, does the choir of angels sing in four-part harmony, or in eight-part? And are there descants?
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    All I know is that it's hell on a conference call for my international colleagues who use english as a second language and have hard enough time making out my snotty comments.
  • You are angered because I encouraged mouse to seek his or her own understanding through earnest prayer & seeking in Godly fashion? Right then.

    (A little late to the party, sorry).

    Mate, it was offensive because it implied that MT hasn’t already done those things.

    I.e. since he had a different point of view from you, he can’t have already seeked God through earnest prayer himself - otherwise he’d agree with you, right?

    Anyway, welcome to the Ship. Hope you stick around.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    I am moving to the opinion that Brother Jude is a fictional character in the mould of Holy Willie or Mr Chadband. On the grounds that no one could be that sickeningly pious in RL.
  • finelinefineline Kerygmania Host, 8th Day Host
    Heh, I joined a Facebook Bible group, and whenever anyone disagrees with the woman who runs that group, she always tells them they need to read the Bible and pray diligently, so that God will make things clear to them. If they continue to disagree with her, she tells everyone else to watch out for demons who twist the Bible, and states that her group is of God because she prays about it, and so anyone who disagrees with her is listening to the devil. Then she kicks these 'demons' out of the group.
  • fineline wrote: »
    Heh, I joined a Facebook Bible group, and whenever anyone disagrees with the woman who runs that group, she always tells them they need to read the Bible and pray diligently, so that God will make things clear to them. If they continue to disagree with her, she tells everyone else to watch out for demons who twist the Bible, and states that her group is of God because she prays about it, and so anyone who disagrees with her is listening to the devil. Then she kicks these 'demons' out of the group.

    How long did you last?

    Rev T went to meeting about small churches and another attendee mentioned one with an elderly membership in single figures. They'd put chains around the front door so anyone attending had to use a side entrance - that you'd only know about if you were already a member. They had no minister and flatly refused to call one. A local church for local people.
  • finelinefineline Kerygmania Host, 8th Day Host
    Tubbs wrote: »
    fineline wrote: »
    Heh, I joined a Facebook Bible group, and whenever anyone disagrees with the woman who runs that group, she always tells them they need to read the Bible and pray diligently, so that God will make things clear to them. If they continue to disagree with her, she tells everyone else to watch out for demons who twist the Bible, and states that her group is of God because she prays about it, and so anyone who disagrees with her is listening to the devil. Then she kicks these 'demons' out of the group.

    How long did you last?

    Heh, I oddly didn't get kicked out, though I several times challenged the woman, in a friendly way, and expressed views different from hers. She simply subtly let me know that I wasn't in her in-crowd of favoured people, and that I am misguided, not truly following God, and then she stopped talking to me, and her assistants basically told me I should leave her alone! I stay silently in the group, observing with curiosity how it unfolds. Apparently, lots of people have left and started their own group - she posted about this, saying it was a devil group!

  • fineline wrote: »
    Tubbs wrote: »
    fineline wrote: »
    Heh, I joined a Facebook Bible group, and whenever anyone disagrees with the woman who runs that group, she always tells them they need to read the Bible and pray diligently, so that God will make things clear to them. If they continue to disagree with her, she tells everyone else to watch out for demons who twist the Bible, and states that her group is of God because she prays about it, and so anyone who disagrees with her is listening to the devil. Then she kicks these 'demons' out of the group.

    How long did you last?

    Heh, I oddly didn't get kicked out, though I several times challenged the woman, in a friendly way, and expressed views different from hers. She simply subtly let me know that I wasn't in her in-crowd of favoured people, and that I am misguided, not truly following God, and then she stopped talking to me, and her assistants basically told me I should leave her alone! I stay silently in the group, observing with curiosity how it unfolds. Apparently, lots of people have left and started their own group - she posted about this, saying it was a devil group!

    I must try that line next time I have a disagreement with someone ... It's not that I'm wrong, it's that you're misguided and under the influence of Satan. I'm sure it'll work out brilliantly. ;)
  • fineline wrote: »
    Heh, I joined a Facebook Bible group, and whenever anyone disagrees with the woman who runs that group, she always tells them they need to read the Bible and pray diligently, so that God will make things clear to them.

    Someone invited me to a group that was similar, but also included posting borderline racist memes.
  • I haven't seen it here but wasn't the sub-heading for The Ship of Fools "The Website of Religious Unrest"? How do you do that without arguments?
  • Firenze wrote: »
    I am moving to the opinion that Brother Jude is a fictional character in the mould of Holy Willie or Mr Chadband. On the grounds that no one could be that sickeningly pious in RL.

    If by pious you mean devoutly religious, I suppose I could be seen as such in reality, though that is far from my intent; wether here or irl I only seek to edify & to find edifying words amongst those who also seek God.

    If instead you refer to hypocrisy, I strive every day to not be a hypocrite, & God willing, I am not
  • finelinefineline Kerygmania Host, 8th Day Host
    Hmm...I think the purpose of Ship of Fools is not to edify as such. Putting yourself forward as an edifier seems a bit of a presumptuous stance to take - it presumes you are in a position to improve our morals. Here we discuss and debate and enourage and chat, depending on the board, but I don't think we have an edification board!
  • 'Tis wonderful to be transported back to the world of Anthony Trollope.
  • mr cheesymr cheesy Shipmate
    edited March 2019
    I'd like to know how you managed to be a Jew for four years. What happened?
  • Messianic Jew or real Jew? Conservative, Reform, or Orthodox?
  • Boogie wrote: »
    Boogie wrote: »
    @Brother Jude said - I was not denouncing others right to argue just saying that I had no desire to do such. Perhaps that was unclear & if so I will gladly apologize.

    Bible verses start the conversation and there is never one definitive interpretation.
    Er.. that's a definitive interpetation

    Interpretation of what?

    That there's no definitive interpretation. You've made a propositional statement
  • mousethief wrote: »
    Messianic Jew or real Jew? Conservative, Reform, or Orthodox?

    Conservative.

    I converted after leaving Christianity, then my, now ex wife, wife said that she couldn't be Jewish so it fell by the wayside for the sake of the marriage & children
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