Let me make it clear; the Treeza Rant thread

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  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Someone on my Facebook feed said May is leaving and staying at the same tone. The think she says d she would leave to shut people up. There is little chance of her deal passing. One has to wonder if she actually leave at all
  • "The list of candidates to succeed May is like Game of Thrones, except every one of them is Joffrey."
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    Marina Hyde in the Guardian on Tory leadership contests.
    Since it’s rather difficult to know where to start on what happened on Wednesday, let’s begin in the future. I want to assure you that when the apocalypse has come, and you’re living in the bombed-out remnants of civilisation, clad in rags and distilling drinking water from your own urine, the one crackling radio in your resistance bunker will still be bringing news of Conservative party leadership contests. Even as your crew crawl over ghost cities, scavenging electronic equipment that some androgynous teenage savant is going to solder together to see if you can discover if there are Others Like You, you’ll be doing it to a soundtrack of the last radio announcer going: “Aaannnnd … Liam Fox has indicated he will not put his name forward for the next round of balloting. He will instead transfer his votes, so that whichever self-interested timebomb wins will make him minister of food spores.”

    🤣 :lol: 🤣
  • Incredible that Brexit has turned into a Tory jobs fair. Vote for the deal, and earn a lottery ticket that could make you PM! It's difficult to find words for it, sleazy, surreal, insane, just the usual Brexit lexicon.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Incredible that Brexit has turned into a Tory jobs fair ...
    I'm beginning to wonder if that's what it was all along. :rage:
  • New joke, May fell on her sword, and missed.
  • Ye gods. What the fuck are they doing? It looks to be sabotage. If the government can't get their way then they will make damn sure nothing else will have time to be discussed.
  • What is this thing called 'government' of which you speak?
    :confused:
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Why is May still pushing her deal? Why the hell are they voting on a cut down version on Friday? We appeared to be making some headway and now she is back with the deal again. What next?
  • What is this thing called 'government' of which you speak?
    It's something that's meant to govern.
  • What is this thing called 'government' of which you speak?
    It's something that's meant to govern.

    Ah. I see. Please may we have one in this country? Thank you.

  • AndrasAndras Shipmate
    An unnamed minister yesterday, speaking to a reporter who asked why Treeza was yet again bringing forward a motion that she was almost certain to lose, is said to have replied, Fuck knows. I'm past caring. It's like the living dead in here.

    She just doesn't get it, does she?
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    Andras wrote: »
    An unnamed minister yesterday, speaking to a reporter who asked why Treeza was yet again bringing forward a motion that she was almost certain to lose, is said to have replied, Fuck knows. I'm past caring. It's like the living dead in here.

    She just doesn't get it, does she?

    They must all be exhausted too.

  • O I do hope that report is true, and that the Slogan goes viral....
    :flushed:
  • AndrasAndras Shipmate
    O I do hope that report is true, and that the Slogan goes viral....
    :flushed:

    It's the latest incarnation of Strong and Stable.
  • Just thanking God we didn't end up with the chaos of an Ed Milliband government. We'd really be in the shit then.
  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    We are now.
  • I've no idea now. I find it hard to believe something constructive will happen between now and Monday evening - so I'm back to thinking we are heading for a Hard Brexit on 12 April.
  • Bow to the gods of Chaos! Bow, I tell you!
  • What happens if we are gifted a General Election very shortly and we all write "none of the above" on the ballot papers?
  • That, unfortunately, counts as a spoiled paper.

    That said, if you don't like the candidates offered, the option has always been to stand too.
  • What happens if we are gifted a General Election very shortly and we all write "none of the above" on the ballot papers?

    This would only be powerful if a very large percentage of voters did it.

    In reality a small number of spoiled ballot papers makes no difference at all in almost all cases.
  • It would have to be a mass protest to have any effect.
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    edited March 2019
    What, like the petition?
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Puzzler wrote: »
    We are now.

    Irony is not simply like tinny but made of iron.
  • Curiosity killedCuriosity killed Shipmate
    edited March 2019
    x[post - replying to Eutychus and checking numbers

    Yeah - 5,973,301 and counting - which has got a debate on Monday as part of the indicative votes. I suspect some members of Parliament will be concerned as 25% of their local constituency has signed the petition, but the areas that voted Leave are still not voting in anything like those numbers or protesting as much - the Leave Means Leave protest today garnered hundreds - the People's Vote parade had a million.
  • Oh look we've just moved into the next circle of hell. Dante must be laughing his long deceased head off
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    which has got a debate on Monday as part of the indicative votes.
    And look how well those have gone so far.

    I wish people would stop thinking that getting a scenario to the floor of the HoC somehow makes it achievable in the real world. That has been precisely May's delusion since January.

  • Curiosity killedCuriosity killed Shipmate
    edited March 2019
    But not getting it to the HoC makes it even less achievable. Currently the stalemate is happening because May is insisting on her version of Brexit and refusing to discuss anything else. (Well, until she was forced to allow the House to discuss other proposals this week)

    (and the lovely Jacob Rees Mogg swore yesterday he would never abandon the DUP and voted the WA today. That took a day.)
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    But not getting it to the HoC makes it even less achievable. Currently the stalemate is happening because May is insisting on her version of Brexit and refusing to discuss anything else. (Well, until she was forced to allow the House to discuss other proposals this week)

    (and the lovely Jacob Rees Mogg swore yesterday he would never abandon the DUP and voted the WA today. That took a day.)

    That's because for all his morally superior talk he's actually got the integrity of a web of snot.
  • I just enjoyed him proving it so publicly
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    But not getting it to the HoC makes it even less achievable.
    There is zero political will to revoke Article 50, however many people sign the petition. And voting "none of the above" is nothing more than a mirror of what the HoC has been doing for several months now.
  • To be honest, with First Past the Post, anything I vote is a wasted vote, because I'm not going to vote for the sitting Conservative MP and this area would provably vote for a donkey in a blue rosette. They've voted in some very scandalous characters.
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    I agree with the Change party that whatever else this is, it's the best opportunity in years to redraw the UK political map, FPTP or not, and that this would be a far better avenue to achieve, um, change, than signing petitions or spoiling ballots.
  • The change party in favour of austerity, national service and taking money from Tory donors ?
  • AndrasAndras Shipmate
    The current bet seems to be that Treeza will try to bring her failed 'deal' back yet again in some form or other. Live and don't learn, that's her.
  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    edited March 2019
    Well done UK government. You've managed to make the Australian government look competent, which takes quite a bit of doing (esp given our NZ neighbours seem light years ahead of us). Each morning I wake up, read the news, and feel as if this is some horrific dystopian fantasy.

    But you poor people are in it. I really have no words, so all I can do is hope against the evidence that some good comes to you wonderful people -- and quickly.
  • Eutychus wrote: »
    But not getting it to the HoC makes it even less achievable.
    There is zero political will to revoke Article 50, however many people sign the petition. And voting "none of the above" is nothing more than a mirror of what the HoC has been doing for several months now.

    Well it did get 180 votes in the indicitive voting farce. I don't think that counts as "zero political will".

    I am not saying it will happen, just that a few months ago it had no support at all. Now it has some.
  • Eutychus wrote: »
    But not getting it to the HoC makes it even less achievable.
    There is zero political will to revoke Article 50, however many people sign the petition. And voting "none of the above" is nothing more than a mirror of what the HoC has been doing for several months now.

    Well it did get 180 votes in the indicitive voting farce. I don't think that counts as "zero political will".

    I am not saying it will happen, just that a few months ago it had no support at all. Now it has some.

    Yes and I think some are missing the politics of this. There are definitely a number of MPs who know that a No Deal Brexit is a really bad idea but don't want to go against the referendum result either for fear of the political cost or because of a genuine belief in democracy.

    There comes a point when a number of MPs would have political cover; i.e. "I really did want to follow the result of the referendum but we were about to leave with No Deal. That would be really damaging for the country and no responsible MP could support it. Moreover, it is clear that whilst most people voted to leave they were promised a deal of some kind and leaving with No Deal is clearly not the wish of the majority."

    About 6 months ago Alastair Campbell did a show on LBC and he was debating with a Labour Lord (I think). Campbell argued that at the crunch revoking was the right option and the other voice (also an arch remainer) said that No, we would have to leave on No Deal despite how bad that would be to preserve democracy. A version of this debate can be seen on the other thread.

    How big is that number? Well, there's an interesting question:
    If you exclude the Leave headbangers then there could easily be over 400 MPs who, with enough political cover, would do so. We know there are at least 180 who feel this way already. Joanna Cherry QC MP has confirmed that she (and others) will bring a form of this motion back to the house so we shall see... The longer this goes on, the more compelling that case becomes. We only need 316.

    FWIW, I do not think this is the most likely outcome but I don't think it's impossible because, that argument clearly can be made. The talking points are easy:
    1) No Deal Brexit is really, really damaging
    2) That's NOT what a majority voted for, no matter now much the lying Farage et al. might claim otherwise.

    AFZ
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Shipmate
    edited March 2019
    Interestingly Nigel Dodds of the DUP has said he’d rather remain than accept the backstop. (But wants Raab for pm to somehow make the EU find a unicorn like alternative to the backstop.)
  • In which parallel universe are these people actually existing?
  • Climacus wrote: »
    Well done UK government. You've managed to make the Australian government look competent, which takes quite a bit of doing (esp given our NZ neighbours seem light years ahead of us). Each morning I wake up, read the news, and feel as if this is some horrific dystopian fantasy.

    We are not letting the Americans beat us with their Trumpian politics. We need to remind the world that we invented government by idiots and the tradition is still strong.
  • I think it's the Film, Whoops Apocalypse, where the British Government comes up with a fool-proof plan to reduce unemployment; they arrange mass suicide of the unemployed. IIRC, there's a News report with the on-the-spot reporter interviewing a man in the queue to jump off a cliff.

    I can't imagine what made me think of that right now...
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Well let’s hope the MOs get there ginger out tomorrow. I really hope there will be no whipping. Labour whipping last time was part of the problem. A free vote is the best way.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    There appears to be a strong group behind replacing Treeza with a hard Brexiteer. This does not reflect the result of the Referendum. Brexit won by a very small margin. Having a hard Brexit PM does not reflect the will of the people. Leave are still acting as though they won by a landslide. That has to stop.
  • Hugal wrote: »
    Well let’s hope the MOs get there ginger out tomorrow.

    ???
  • A typo for MPs? And a hope that they'll act courageously?
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