Emojis, emoticons, smilies... Where did they go?

RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
I was not much of a user of smilies, but I did like the candle for prayer threads (and even for the "Cancer Sucks" thread in Hell). Sometimes when someone's news was too bad, another someone could post a candle (or three), and it would help.

I don't miss most of them, but I'm sure others do. Is there a reason that they all went away?

Thanks!

Rossweisse // I'm not dead yet
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  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    To access the giant list of smileys, start by typing a colon. Then a letter. This will start summoning the smileys alphabetically.

    Sadly, the votive candle is not on the list. So far.
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    edited March 2018
    :smiley: :relieved: :innocent: :bawling:


    ..
  • Must admit I like the old selection better. These are just like every other internet selection of smileys. The ones on the old ship stood out in being a different selection that wasn't just one slightly different yellow face after another yellow face.
  • :heartbreak: would do as well for a candle for now, perhaps?
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    or [‘]
  • What does the grey question mark signify?
  • cliffdwellercliffdweller Shipmate
    edited March 2018
    Chorister wrote: »
    :heartbreak: would do as well for a candle for now, perhaps?

    It's a different sentiment. Candle would be a nice one to get back, if possible. I used it a lot, even in hell. :heartbreak:

  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    Thanks. Now I can see the emojis, but they do seem awfully generic. Is there any way of bringing back the votive candle?
  • Lily PadLily Pad Shipmate
    I've nothing but time on my hands so I went through the alphabet with them and there are a few that are kind of interesting. It's only the first day but eventually it would be nice to have the votive candle.
    :mrgreen: :naughty: :cookie: :trollface:
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    Emojis were not very high on our list of things to get right immediately out of the gate. We figured that you guys would rather function with the generic stuff on the New Ship™ rather than wait on the old one while we fiddled. Because there's an endless list of fiddling we could use as excuses...
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    Understook, RooK. Thank you.
  • O indeed - and it is entertaining for us Idle Supernumary Passengers to see what emojis we can find using the Magic Colon!

    Perhaps someone could invent a way of saving and storing the emojis e.g. in their Pictures folder?

    Still, the votive candle would, I think, be a popular addition in due course.

    IJ
  • What does the grey question mark signify?

    A question :grey_question:
  • *votive*
  • :trollface: just wondering what I could use trollface for
  • ZacchaeusZacchaeus Shipmate
    edited March 2018
    :cookie: cookie is rather nice
  • ClarenceClarence Shipmate Posts: 46
    :votive: might have to do for now
  • AmyAmy Shipmate
    edited March 2018
    Awww. It seems you can’t post non-approved emoji.
  • Foaming DraughtFoaming Draught Shipmate
    edited March 2018
    Confusing the Ship with another, er, well-known social media site, I included the customary (for that site, in addition to its praying hands emoji) lower case i in square brackets in a recent Ship comment. And then I wondered why half the post was in italics.
  • just to let you know that the coding & trade ; (minus the spaces) will still give you a trademark symbol, which is a Good Thing™
  • Drifting StarDrifting Star Shipmate Posts: 22
    edited March 2018
    Wet Kipper wrote: »
    just to let you know that the coding & trade ; (minus the spaces) will still give you a trademark symbol, which is a Good Thing™

    It is indeed, and it makes me wonder whether this: ♰ would make a reasonable substitute for the missing votive candle.

    Or possibly this: í

    The first one is & # 9840 ; and the second one is & # 237 ; both without the spaces.
  • The first won't show on all browsers, where it will be replaced by a wee square.
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    Non-Christians light candles when they are remembering and thinking of someone. A cross is too specific to one religion imo, even ‘tho ITTWACW.
  • Lily PadLily Pad Shipmate
    As it was on my computer using an older version of Chrome. :) I saw the square and thought, hmmm, now how is that seen as a candle? Thanks for the clarification, Alan. I can see the one that is &#237 .
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    Or, here's a crazy thought: use words to express yourself.
    #deathtosmileys
  • RooK wrote: »
    Or, here's a crazy thought: use words to express yourself.
    #deathtosmileys
    :-1:
    :wink:
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    RooK wrote: »
    Or, here's a crazy thought: use words to express yourself.
    #deathtosmileys

    Smilies work so sod off Rook :wink:

    (The wink takes out the sting, denotes that I’ve said it with a smile. Words can’t quite do that, I don’t think)

  • Zacchaeus wrote: »
    :trollface: just wondering what I could use trollface for

    I would remind shipmates at this point, that both being a troll and accusing others of trolling are frowned on by the hosts. That may well extend to the use of the :trollface: emoji, but we haven't decided on that yet, along with a bazillion other things.
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    Boogie wrote: »
    RooK wrote: »
    Or, here's a crazy thought: use words to express yourself.
    #deathtosmileys

    Smilies work so sod off Rook :wink:

    (The wink takes out the sting, denotes that I’ve said it with a smile. Words can’t quite do that, I don’t think)

    You assume that the emoticon is taken non-sarcastically, despite the rest of the post being sarcastic. The truth is that there is just as much, if not more ambiguity regarding the meaning of smilies than there is regarding words and grammar. Except that words and grammar can be extended to clarify, whereas adding more smilies just gets more ambiguous.

    Smilies are a stupid fad that I wish would die, along with 1337 and TXT abbreviations.
  • bassobasso Shipmate
    I'm with RooK on this one.

    The attempt to take the sting out of 'sod off' (is that even possible?) only works if the reader can see the smilie well enough to recognize the expression on the non-face, and interpret the smilie correctly.

    One of the features of the new ship is that we can read on a phone (which I couldn't do on the old software). Even so, the smilies are mostly blobs on mine. Not something that I'd like to rely on for accurate communication.

    If the powers-that-be chose to disable the things entirely, I wouldn't miss them at all.
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    edited March 2018
    RooK wrote: »
    Or, here's a crazy thought: use words to express yourself.
    #deathtosmileys

    Most of the time I agree with you on this issue, RooK. The votive somehow strikes me as different.

    (But yes, on a Certain Social Media site, I have friends - some of them actual friends - who reply to posts with strings of emojis. I want to put on my Encouraging Mommy voice, and say, "Use your words!")
    Smilies are a stupid fad that I wish would die, along with 1337 and TXT abbreviations.

    (What's 1337?)

    Generally speaking, I prefer evidence of literacy, but I am out of step with the zeitgeist.



  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    Rossweisse wrote: »
    Most of the time I agree with you on this issue, RooK.

    Then most of the time you're right.
    What's 1337?

    1337, or "leet" is one quick entry in Google away from being unforgettably burrowed in your mind with no recommendable benefits and undoubtably lowering your opinion of humans. Much like emojis.
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    We are all different.

    Slagging off people who like them and saying you have a low opinion of us isn’t going to stop us liking emojis. I happen to be a very visual person. I don’t even think in words, when I write or type I translate my thoughts into words.

    Anyway, I know I’m in a minority here so I won’t persue it.
  • Boogie, on the tablet I had to magnify the screen to 150% to be able to see that you had used a winking emoji. I couldn't see it at all on the phone. These emoticons are not clear.

    @RooK - I find l337 useful for adding another layer of obfuscation to passwords - although it has its downside: I may remember what I started with, I don't always recall what did and didn't get changed into l337, and which options I used.
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    RooK wrote: »
    1337, or "leet" is one quick entry in Google away from being unforgettably burrowed in your mind with no recommendable benefits and undoubtably lowering your opinion of humans. Much like emojis.

    Sorry - I thought it was a New Ship thing that I had somehow missed.

    I dislike Google and use DuckDuckGo.com (they don't track or bubble you), but I did lower-case google 1337, and agree with your assessment. Thank you.


  • basso wrote: »
    I'm with RooK on this one.

    The attempt to take the sting out of 'sod off' (is that even possible?) only works if the reader can see the smilie well enough to recognize the expression on the non-face, and interpret the smilie correctly.
    This is a more relevant comment than like or dislike, emojis lose their significance if they cannot be seen.
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    :joy: means lol everywhere else (ie lots of laughs). I use it a lot as I laugh a lot.

    Here it means ‘joy’. A fine but real distinction :hmmm:

  • peasepease Tech Admin
    edited March 2018
    Just to note that an alternative to using spaces to separate the components of an html character reference (eg : or :) is to use & for the leading &.
  • I've noticed that the available emojis don't display automatically when you're composing a private message, so you have to actually know what the full code is.
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    I suppose that's just another argument against using them.

  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    edited March 2018
    Sorry about this. I tried to post something which went wrong and there seems to be no way now of deleting a post rather than editing it to say something different, like this.
  • I've been a lurker for a decade. One of the things I loved about the old Ship were the emojis. Far too often, I have found myself writing an email or text, and wanting an emoji that only existed on the Ship. The Ship's emojis were the bestest!
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    edited March 2018
    I've been a lurker for a decade. One of the things I loved about the old Ship were the emojis. Far too often, I have found myself writing an email or text, and wanting an emoji that only existed on the Ship. The Ship's emojis were the bestest!

    Welcome to you @questioning. I’d love to know how many lurkers the New Ship has. I’m always fascinated by lurkers. I’m the exact opposite of a lurker, I just have to jump in and say something.

    :rolleyes: (I miss that emoji!)

  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    Boogie wrote: »
    ... :rolleyes: (I miss that emoji!)

    I was going to say "Et moi aussi," but I don't want to violate rules on foreign languages. So I'll just say "Me too."


  • mousethief wrote: »
    Must admit I like the old selection better. These are just like every other internet selection of smileys. The ones on the old ship stood out in being a different selection that wasn't just one slightly different yellow face after another yellow face.

    Ditto. No offense, but I really don't like emojis--these, or any other. I'm not on social media. (Well, *this* is my social media. ) And the old emoticons are blessedly 2D. The new ones are leaning towards 3D. And it's hard to figure out what they are, when they've shrunk down into a post. To me, the winkie looks on the edge of tears.

    Would there be any way to just add the old emoticons to the database/folder that holds the new emojis?

    :angel:

    Thx.

  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    Golden Key wrote: »
    I really don't like emojis--these, or any other.

    Welcome to the club. Because you've earned it, I hereby grant you the ability to not use emojis - these, or any others, on the SoF. As a codicil of that, you are expected to look down on those who do with smug superiority. Though it would be appreciated if you didn't blather on about it or try to make anybody feel bad¹.

    ¹ That's my job.
  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    (we can do footnotes?!?)
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    RooK wrote: »
    ...¹ That's my job.

    How did you DO that, O RooK?



  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    Step 1: Sacrifice an emoji to the internet gods.
    Step 2: Insert the special character where you'd like to make a snarky footnote.
    Step 3: Copy the <color> and <size> codes I used to make it look all foot-notey.
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