Rublev
@Rublev
You generate a lot of interesting discussion on the boards.
But please, please could you start discussing the topic? Put your point of view rather than just asking questions as if we are your students.
You deserve the reactions on this thread. It shows what happens if everyone responds as you do - it isn’t a discussion at all.
I don’t intend to respond on there again until you start engaging with the topic as you expect us to.
It gets annoying over time tbh.
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You generate a lot of interesting discussion on the boards.
But please, please could you start discussing the topic? Put your point of view rather than just asking questions as if we are your students.
You deserve the reactions on this thread. It shows what happens if everyone responds as you do - it isn’t a discussion at all.
I don’t intend to respond on there again until you start engaging with the topic as you expect us to.
It gets annoying over time tbh.
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(and is Rublev the returning Svtlana92?)
@Rublev, your many OPs give the impression that the above perfectly summarises your thought process prior to posting.
You appear to have the sort of question I might ask myself while cleaning my teeth, or during a boring moment in church, but rather than think about it yourself for a while, you move straight on to inviting other people to do your thinking for you.
This comes across as lazy, and is the kind of approach that lies behind the Ship's dislike of homework threads. It will not earn you any respect here.
On the other hand, I also suspect you of being a bit disingenuous. I suspect that you actually do have rather more thoughts about your many OPs than you let on, but that for x reasons you don't want to share them.
This comes across as superior, and won't earn you any respect here either.
I'm convinced you have interesting things to contribute, but I wish you'd say them straight up and defend them instead of merely changing subjects, or indeed starting whole new threads, every time you're challenged. Interaction is what it's all about here.
Yes, I feel that @Rublev is not really engaging with us, not being herself.
I don’t see it as superior but I do see it as insincere and distant. Yep - disingenuous is the word.
Yes - and the endless questions! Your OPs are good and have sparked some interesting discussions. But you throw in question bombs and stand back. It’s boring and annoying imo.
ARRRRRGH!
I’m not offended, I’m booored!
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And if not, why not? What's the difference?
If the difference is whether the anger is righteous or not, if I'm angry, shout at the television and kick the cat because I'm angry with the news and the government's callousness towards the poor or the immigrant, is that more OK than being angry because I got up with a headache?
As has been cynically but truthfully said, what most of the people who shout 'I want justice' really mean, is that they want their lawyers to achieve 'an injustice but in my favour'.
It's why I haven't been engaging on those threads, the behaviour makes me feel as if I'm being played.
Does this strike anyone else as being just a little messianic?
Nailed it. Isn't that what Jesus often did? Raise lots of questions, get discussion going, and let "his" people work it out for themselves?
I find it insulting to raise a question with the questioner not revealing their own thoughts -- and it feels like a homework post rather than a discussion, or a smug show of superiority, expecting others to guess at just what the correct answer might be. I do not choose to dance to such tunes in the hopes of getting it 'right'.
So I don't feel so annoyed by Rublev's posts as some seem to, but equally I do sometimes get the impression of what Eutychus said - of disingenuousness, that Rublev has answers and explanations already in mind that she wants to impart to us after we've shared our suggestions. Though Rublev knows I think this, as I already said it to her before, in one of her threads. I do get the impression she was on the old Ship, but she has never said she wasn't or claimed to be new, and if someone wants to make a new start on the new ship, with a new name, then why not?
Something I do feel quite strongly is that many of the topics Rublev raises are very interesting, and could potentially lead to some really in-depth discussions, but unfortunately they don't because she starts so many. If I were starting a topic I was really interested in exploring, I'd want to spend several days engaging in it, asking deeper questions - not just starting it off, dipping in, and then starting many more completely different topics. Obviously everyone's different and has a different approach, but personally, I think this is a shame, because I enjoy such discussion when they are more in-depth, and when the person asking is more involved.
In the thread Rublev started about Hell calls and how she doesn't like them, and sees them as destructive and bullying. You saw that thread, Ck. You posted on it.
That’s unnecessary and a bit extreme - and a bit much work for the hosts imo.
I’m also glad you weighed in, and well done @fineline - level headed and balanced as ever - for coaxing you here.
Hell is for getting personal, personal criticism, questions etc - not allowed on other boards. Personal doesn’t have to be hellish - and I hope my OP wasn’t. It wasn’t meant to be. I like your discussion pieces, they add value to the Ship.
Two things I’d like -
For you post what you think instead of just asking us what we think.
For you to leave a few days between OPs so that discussion can really get going on the ones you’ve started.
I think it was supposed to be a joke!
What confused me most was that people were advised not to go into Hell if they were new, and were told it was like putting a bullseye on your chest and you had to wear bullet-proof underwear, and I had no idea what that meant. Thing is, for me, the only way I could start to understand it was post there myself, without any metaphorical bullet-proof underwear, because I had no idea what putting on such metaphorical underwear entailed. And I could only post in the way I write, not a different Hell-type style, and I honestly expected to be told to leave the Hell board for not doing Hell properly! So you are not alone in not getting Hell, and I don't think that's anything to be ashamed of.
As for Keryg, I never posted there in the old Ship, because I didn't understand it either. I didn't know what the word meant (still don't) and thought it referred to some posh high church tradition of which I was unaware. Although I was happy and comfortable discussing Bible passages in church groups (evangelical churches - and I was very aware that many people here seemed to sneer at evangelicals and our 'little cuppies' for communion!). I thought there was a different, fancy way of doing it here - and because there was a thread on Greek and Hebrew script, I thought I must be the only one reading the Bible in English translation. I'm saying all this because I imagine maybe there are others who might feel the same, and also to show that it can be difficult to understand how the Ship works, especially if you are from a different sort of church tradition, and that is okay. And I don't see it as terrible if people post a bit differently and don't really get how the Ship works - it can take a while.
Anyway, I was just thinking about my first post in Keryg about a Bible passage - I think it is this thread. I haven't done many. I wasn't sure if it was the right board, or if it was okay to post that sort of question, or if it was okay to post if I'm not a Bible scholar. And I also didn't know what I thought of the passage - that is why I was posting it, because I was confused and wanted to hear other people's thoughts. And people didn't mind that I didn't know - maybe the fact that I expressed that I found it confusing helped people see why I was asking, so they didn't think I was testing them with a school-type question or anything. I'm saying this because I think it's okay to not know what you think, and to ask because you want to hear views, but maybe it is helpful to actually say you are finding it confusing. Gives people some context why you are asking, more of a sense of you as a person.
I hope that helps. I think people's reactions to your posts have made me remember how very confusing I found the Ship for many years.
There's your problem. The ship is a discussion site, not an academic site. Conversation is what we do.
If so, then it wasn't funny given the context. People who act messianically can't post jokes about having a messiah complex. Poe's Law and all.
I was happy to see the question about Jesus getting angry, because I've worried over it quite a bit myself. So I was getting a bit angry miffed when the thread was interrupted over and over and over again to repeatedly ask Rublev what he thought.
It seemed obvious to me that he wasn't sure where he came down on the subject and that's why he wanted to hear the topic discussed.
Next, several people had to tell him his posting style didn't conform to the usual style on the ship. Gasp! Get the plank.
If this were the first thread she did this on, rather than the 20th, that might not have irked so many people. Her M.O. seems to be to start threads without ever saying what she thinks, and then before actually weighing in, to start another. And over, and over, and over.
Get over yourself, Robin Hood.
I will admit I haven't encountered him much before so, yes, too much of anything can be irritating.
She’s had plenty of mostly friendly feedback on how many are reacting to her posting style, and has pretty much ignored it all. Under the circumstances, what happened in this thread was inevitable sooner or later.
ETA: cross-posted with @Curiosity killed.
Wow! LOL. I've started one discussion since the new ship opened. I just realized this forum doesn't list "started by" next to the thread titles, just last person to post. I think that's why I hadn't noticed how many she started.
Oh really. Name one of my other analogies.
Ooh! I love playing "miss (direct) the point".
I'm going to go with "Betty". Your analogies often sound like a Betty to me.
I knew Twilight wouldn't think of that angle. If I have to be side-slapped, I suppose you will do.
@Rublev, please, explain your username! I thought you were a man because I was thinking maybe Ruben Levi, now all I've got is Ruby something or is it about money?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_(Andrei_Rublev)
Make of that what you will, of course, but that was my first thought on seeing the name on the Ship.
I chose Twilight because we had signature lines at the time and mine was the passage about, "Now we see as through a glass darkly..." Also, I'm in my twilight years. Also, it's one of my favorite songs. That was before the Twilight books and movies.
Oh, and I'm a woman too. Doc Tor just likes to call me a dick because he thinks I am one and because he knows how much I hate it. It is my gender right to be called a bitch!
Alas, sig lines were a feature of our old vessel. his newer version no longer provides that option.