Gamma "Fucking clever than yow" Gamaliel - over here...

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  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    I slept poorly and fitfully and had stressful dreams where I both let people down badly or else was going to turn up for interviews and such unprepared.

    I can't go back and delete my interventions where I've caused offence. What I can do is impose a Self Denying Ordinance and desist from pursuing regular tropes that are likely to upset people. I must be wise hereafter and seek for grace.

    Easier said than done but do it I must. They say it takes 6 weeks to make or break a habit. I must develop that discipline. I can't undo the upset I've caused but with some application and discipline I can avoid repeating this most egregious of errors.

    I resolve never to poke around on a thread involving LoTR, Prog Rock or fantasy computer games and to desist from other well-worn, rutted tropes which are likely to cause offence.

    I'm gutted that I upset AFF particularly given what she's going through. Nothing I can say or do can make amends for that and I'm terribly sorry.

    May I gently suggest that it’s not the subjects you choose to discuss that’s the problem but the way you discuss them.

    If I were you I’d think why you are so disparaging about some things. Do you really dislike them so much, or do you just want to wind people up?

    I read LOTR five times in my 20s, loved it - still do. But I don’t feel the need to argue the toss about it.

    I really dislike dance/trance and rap music - but feel no need to discuss this fact with anyone, IRL or online. I just mute it when it comes on the radio.



  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited March 2019
    Boogie wrote: »
    I slept poorly and fitfully and had stressful dreams where I both let people down badly or else was going to turn up for interviews and such unprepared.

    I can't go back and delete my interventions where I've caused offence. What I can do is impose a Self Denying Ordinance and desist from pursuing regular tropes that are likely to upset people. I must be wise hereafter and seek for grace.

    Easier said than done but do it I must. They say it takes 6 weeks to make or break a habit. I must develop that discipline. I can't undo the upset I've caused but with some application and discipline I can avoid repeating this most egregious of errors.

    I resolve never to poke around on a thread involving LoTR, Prog Rock or fantasy computer games and to desist from other well-worn, rutted tropes which are likely to cause offence.

    I'm gutted that I upset AFF particularly given what she's going through. Nothing I can say or do can make amends for that and I'm terribly sorry.

    May I gently suggest that it’s not the subjects you choose to discuss that’s the problem but the way you discuss them.

    If I were you I’d think why you are so disparaging about some things. Do you really dislike them so much, or do you just want to wind people up?

    I read LOTR five times in my 20s, loved it - still do. But I don’t feel the need to argue the toss about it.

    I really dislike dance/trance and rap music - but feel no need to discuss this fact with anyone, IRL or online. I just mute it when it comes on the radio.



    Planet Rock. None of these genres and the Hairy Bikers playing AC/DC, Aerosmith and Lynyrd Skynyrd in between recipes for venison stew and lamb dhansak on Sunday morning.

    Thing is, "I don't like rap" is fine; "I listened to it once when I was 15 but the people listening to it also liked playing Call of Duty and I'd moved on to Skyrim so anyone still listening to it is rather immature and a bit stupid" wouldn't be.
  • Lyda wrote: »
    At least GG is real and although he sometimes annoys me I still kinda like him.

    Me too, but at the same time there's a hell that comes from allowing ones own natural tendencies to grow unchecked [in a manner described in 'The Great Divorce'].
  • There is indeed.

    The anti-LOTR thing is meant to be a bit of a laff but I can see it ain't funny, not because there's anything wrong with fans of it but because I've over done it and it's tedious of me.
  • MooMoo Kerygmania Host
    GG, LOTR does not appeal to me. When that thread became nothing but a discussion of LOTR, I quit reading it. I suggest that you refrain from reading threads about topics which you dislike but other people like.
  • Well if it's any consolation I didn't sleep well either.

    Someone called me on my response as it was completely out of character, and I agree. I had to do some real reflecting to see myself clearly in the situation. So I'll share part of what I shared with her.

    The LOTR thread dug up some really painful memories about being bullied for being a sensitive, creative and imaginative child who loved fantasy fiction in elementary school. I never learned to stand up to my bullies and my dear parents couldn’t help me. They would just tell me to stand up to them. There were thirty of them. I just never learned how to insulate myself against that kind of harm.

    So when GG mashed those buttons hard I just snapped. Some little voice just said that I didn’t have anything to prove and I don’t have to be the bigger person and I don’t have to be nice, I can just say what I think because there is nobody left whose opinion of my behaviour matters and I don’t have to take shit from anyone.

    So @Lyda if you think I am full of shit and using something as truly awful as being bereaved of my entire family in order to score cheap internet points, you too can take a long walk off a short pier. And if I read you wrong, then I apologize.

    There is no "right way" to grieve. Not in person, not on the internet.

    And there's no way to properly present, not here and not in real life.

    If you put a good front on it, people don't believe you or think you don't need help. This is how depressed people smile in your face one second and ten minutes later are found hanging by their belts in their walk in closet. Being strong doesn't serve anyone except the people who would rather not be bothered with the pain you remind them of.

    On the other hand if you fall to pieces, especially when you are left entirely alone, then you end up in an institution.

    I guess freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose

    I am learning what it feels like to be me right now, without the roles of mother or daughter to constrain me. And when I can feel something other than the screaming, I'll know I'm going to be OK.

    GG if you would like to start a Mervyn Peake or Dostoevsky appreciation thread I will happily participate. I will happily participate in any kind of appreciation you would like to show for anything. Appreciation seems to be the only thing that shuts up the screaming in me, at least for a few moments. If I can just lengthen those moments ...

    Thanks everyone for your kind attention. Let's all try to have a better day together.

    AFF

  • Well said AFF.
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    AFF: "So @Lyda if you think I am full of shit and using something as truly awful as being bereaved of my entire family in order to score cheap internet points, you too can take a long walk off a short pier. And if I read you wrong, then I apologize."

    Yes, you did read me wrong, but you don't need to apologize. I do. You are seriously grieving, and I was incredibly clumsy in my comparison of situations. I should have quoted what I was really replying to, that mousethief saying that "people on the ship are ridiculously naive romantics who think they can fix anyone". And in this case it's GG. We have been known to go silly lengths lengths when our sympathies and hopes are engaged. I wasn't referring to the former sockpuppet's lies or pandering but our own naivety.

    I'm so sorry that I added to your pain.
  • Lyda wrote: »
    AFF: "So @Lyda if you think I am full of shit and using something as truly awful as being bereaved of my entire family in order to score cheap internet points, you too can take a long walk off a short pier. And if I read you wrong, then I apologize."

    Yes, you did read me wrong, but you don't need to apologize. I do. You are seriously grieving, and I was incredibly clumsy in my comparison of situations. I should have quoted what I was really replying to, that mousethief saying that "people on the ship are ridiculously naive romantics who think they can fix anyone". And in this case it's GG. We have been known to go silly lengths lengths when our sympathies and hopes are engaged. I wasn't referring to the former sockpuppet's lies or pandering but our own naivety.

    I'm so sorry that I added to your pain.

    It's all good. You didn't.

    One thing I am learning is boundaries. I just wanted to be clear, and your comment gave me the opportunity to be a little more clear with myself about my process.

    I think it speaks so well of the Ship that people are willing to be led by their hearts. I hope that never changes.

    Be well. Let's see if we can find something or someone to appreciate today. I bet we don't have to look far.

    AFF

  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    AFF: "Be well. Let's see if we can find something or someone to appreciate today. I bet we don't have to look far."

    Well, I appreciate you and your graciousness and wisdom, always have. I hope the day will be good for you.
  • Lyda wrote: »
    I should have quoted what I was really replying to, that mousethief saying that "people on the ship are ridiculously naive romantics who think they can fix anyone". And in this case it's GG. We have been known to go silly lengths lengths when our sympathies and hopes are engaged.
    I think it speaks so well of the Ship that people are willing to be led by their hearts. I hope that never changes.

    Be well. Let's see if we can find something or someone to appreciate today. I bet we don't have to look far.
    I was thinking that mousethief's "ridiculously naive romantics" are signs that people on the Ship care. This is a community, albeit a most unorthodox one in many ways. And every community I know of has its cranks, its eccentrics and its share of aggravations. But that's part of what I value most about it—that as a general rule, we'd rather restore community than write someone off.

    I very much appreciate that.
  • Your reaction was entirely appropriate, AFF. I was acting like an arse.

    I would be more than happy to to start a thread about Dostoyevsky or anything else people may wish to post appreciative comments on. FWIW I found Crime and Punishment and The Brothers Karamazov gripping. The Idiot I found unreadable.

    I will hang fire though not because I don't think posts or threads appreciating things aren't a good idea, they are. But I rather feel I ought to lie low for a bit as I've posted in ways that would test the patience of Saints.

    I don't say that so I can skulk away until things calm down and then come back larking about with a vengeance, but because I do feel I've upset people terribly and ought to leave you all be for a while.

    Yes, I know I've been told before and should have learned lessons but I don't think I've upset anyone quite so much before and I don't like what I've done.

    The fact that I often post tongue in cheek and hyperbolically is no excuse. I overstepped the mark. I apologise and will withdraw for a while. I can't untype what I posted but I can resolve not to be such an arse in future. May I have the grace and grit to do so.
  • Your reaction was entirely appropriate, AFF. I was acting like an arse.

    I would be more than happy to to start a thread about Dostoyevsky or anything else people may wish to post appreciative comments on. FWIW I found Crime and Punishment and The Brothers Karamazov gripping. The Idiot I found unreadable.

    I will hang fire though not because I don't think posts or threads appreciating things aren't a good idea, they are. But I rather feel I ought to lie low for a bit as I've posted in ways that would test the patience of Saints.

    I don't say that so I can skulk away until things calm down and then come back larking about with a vengeance, but because I do feel I've upset people terribly and ought to leave you all be for a while.

    Yes, I know I've been told before and should have learned lessons but I don't think I've upset anyone quite so much before and I don't like what I've done.

    The fact that I often post tongue in cheek and hyperbolically is no excuse. I overstepped the mark. I apologise and will withdraw for a while. I can't untype what I posted but I can resolve not to be such an arse in future. May I have the grace and grit to do so.

    We're both hurting bad.

    Hurt people hurt people.

    I could be barking up the wrong tree here as well.

    Maybe a rest would be good for us both.

    AFF
  • Lyda wrote: »

    Maybe the only difference between heaven and hell are the personalized playlists.

    I like that. I'd also need some means of finding and listening to new music that I can add to my playlist.
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    Lyda wrote: »

    Maybe the only difference between heaven and hell are the personalized playlists.

    I like that. I'd also need some means of finding and listening to new music that I can add to my playlist.

    :confused: Whoa. When did I say that? I don't remember it, but I like it.
  • Lyda wrote: »
    Lyda wrote: »

    Maybe the only difference between heaven and hell are the personalized playlists.

    I like that. I'd also need some means of finding and listening to new music that I can add to my playlist.

    :confused: Whoa. When did I say that? I don't remember it, but I like it.
    Last April. (You can find the post by clicking on the ">>" after "Lyda wrote:" in the quote box.)

  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    People are leaky thinking/feeling machines.
  • LeafLeaf Shipmate
    The anti-LOTR thing is meant to be a bit of a laff but I can see it ain't funny, not because there's anything wrong with fans of it but because I've over done it and it's tedious of me.

    As you are quietly away and reflecting on this, you might want to consider the bit in bold: "meant to be a bit of a laff." This is the bit you should circle in red and think about. You often post this as your motive whenever you are called out.

    You want to make people laugh! I believe you! I think you want attention and approval for being witty. The problem is, you don't know how or where or when or with whom to communicate humour appropriately. You have not yet learned good judgment of venues, audiences, and targets.

    You don't have adequate social skills to navigate the communication of humour appropriately on Ship of Fools, and that is saying something. This is a venue with clear rules, patient hosts, and low stakes. Thank God you weren't a court jester of old; your head would have been on a spike by the end of your first day.

    You seem to think that posting big indications that you are just trying to "have a bit of a laff" (winking emojis, "I'll get me coat", etc.) make it okay for you to post inappropriately in whatever forum. It's not. It isn't working.

    Naïve romantic that I am, I think it may be possible for you to learn better judgment. Maybe you don't want to or can't, but let's assume for the moment you can. And so I launch on Gamma Gamaliel's Emotional Continence Project.

    With toddlers, teaching continence involves three stages: awareness that you've done something, awareness that you are currently doing something, and finally awareness that you're about to do something. AFF's post seems to have made you aware that you have done something. Great! You seem aware that you shit on the thread. Stage Two will involve being aware as you are typing that you may be posting something stupidly annoying. Train yourself to check: Am I typing this in The Circus? Am I putting a winking emoji? Soon you will become aware enough that when you are about to post something you think is funny, it will be in the right venue, about the right target, at the right time.

    I think you're probably not a terrible human being. But your desperate need to be thought funny is not a good look, dude.
  • Your reaction was entirely appropriate, AFF. I was acting like an arse.

    I would be more than happy to to start a thread about Dostoyevsky or anything else people may wish to post appreciative comments on. FWIW I found Crime and Punishment and The Brothers Karamazov gripping. The Idiot I found unreadable.

    I will hang fire though not because I don't think posts or threads appreciating things aren't a good idea, they are. But I rather feel I ought to lie low for a bit as I've posted in ways that would test the patience of Saints.

    I don't say that so I can skulk away until things calm down and then come back larking about with a vengeance, but because I do feel I've upset people terribly and ought to leave you all be for a while.

    Yes, I know I've been told before and should have learned lessons but I don't think I've upset anyone quite so much before and I don't like what I've done.

    The fact that I often post tongue in cheek and hyperbolically is no excuse. I overstepped the mark. I apologise and will withdraw for a while. I can't untype what I posted but I can resolve not to be such an arse in future. May I have the grace and grit to do so.

    We're both hurting bad.

    Hurt people hurt people.

    I could be barking up the wrong tree here as well.

    Maybe a rest would be good for us both.

    AFF

    Yes, I thought that too. I was mortified that I upset you. Ok, I didn't know what you were going through but as Eutychus rightly pointed out, it's always going to be likely that some Shippies or other are hurting and so it behoves us all to tread carefully.

    On another level, it is certainly a tribute to LoTR that it attracts such strong support and feelings. I certainly regret disparaging it so vehemently, even in jest. In your own case, of course, it has particular resonance and I respect your reasons for that.
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Lyda wrote: »
    Lyda wrote: »

    Maybe the only difference between heaven and hell are the personalized playlists.

    I like that. I'd also need some means of finding and listening to new music that I can add to my playlist.

    :confused: Whoa. When did I say that? I don't remember it, but I like it.
    Last April. (You can find the post by clicking on the ">>" after "Lyda wrote:" in the quote box.)

    I guess I was having a pretty good day. :smile:
  • Attacking people isn't a laff. Find another way to be funny. #lessonslearned
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    On another level, it is certainly a tribute to LoTR that it attracts such strong support and feelings. I certainly regret disparaging it so vehemently, even in jest.

    You're not listening. Again. This is not about LoTR. This is about your inappropriate behaviour, over a wide range of subject material. Saying to yourself "I won't post about LOTR or prog rock ever again" is not going to solve this problem. @Leaf has posted some sound advice that could be useful for more people than just yourself. Its rather scatalogical imagery made me pay attention, recognise circumstances in which I myself have been or was in danger of being emotionally incontinent (not solely on the Ship), and have a way to remember the advice.

    Listen to @Leaf.

    Hint: this doesn't require posting long self-analysis in response spoiled by another attempt at a witty remark. It requires you to mark, learn, and inwardly digest; that doesn't require you to say anything.
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    Yes - listen to @Leaf
  • I'm going to add a belated "If you overshare here, it's still the internet" advisory note.

    You're all adults, and you know the score though...

    DT
    HH
  • As others have said, the issue is not the subject, it's the behaviour. Turning up, raining on people's parade, apologising when called out and then doing it again a few threads later is not endearing or funny. It's disrespectful and rude.

    I don't keep many Ship quotes on file but this one from Laura just about sums it up:
    So, you're basically saying you find it boring and unimportant. Then piss off and don't post on the thread. If we could just get people to stop turning up on threads discussing questions they think unimportant to pointlessly say so, I think we'd improve ship discussion amazingly.
  • LeafLeaf Shipmate
    You really, really don't get it, do you?

    I think people must feel sorry for you, and that must be the only reason your ass doesn't get shore leave. Pity won't save you forever.

    Your verbal diarrhea has splattered in yet another, another, tiresome fucking attempt at a pond war.
    My inner pedant wants to ask why Hugal, as, I think, a British Shipmate, is using terms like 'gotten.' We aren't living in either the 17th century nor Seattle ... ;).
    He'll be saying, 'I got me a ...' next.

    Oh but it's just a laff innit? :wink: :wink: :wink: NO IT FUCKING ISN'T. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

    I can hardly wait for yet another pointless round of smiley winkey fake fucky "mea culpas" from you, Gamma Gamaliel. Your repentance is of less value than a fart and lasts half as long. I honestly think you have some kind of brain damage, given your inability to retain a clue. Well my arms are tired from trying to pound the clue bat into your impenetrable skull.


  • Thank you, Leaf. Spared me the need to.
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    mousethief wrote: »
    Thank you, Leaf. Spared me the need to.

    That seems like an odd thing to say after you already did.
  • RooK wrote: »
    mousethief wrote: »
    Thank you, Leaf. Spared me the need to.

    That seems like an odd thing to say after you already did.

    Did I ask for your opinion? Did I?
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    ....no.
  • I don't know what scorches my arse worst, Leaf's latest post on this thread or Susan Doris and other posters soberly discussing whether 'gotten' is correct usage or not on Hugal's thread about anti-evangelical sentiment apparently getting worse.

    Contrary to appearances, my backside isn't made of asbestos though and of course I should have anticipated a reaction and will try to hold my farts in for longer.

  • McMaverickMcMaverick Shipmate
    Just so patronising it made me laugh 😂 methinks he doth protest too much. So far in the second half of life (not) you can’t understand why someone else can get anything out of something you discarded. I’d love to have a snoop in your skip some day, as you’re bound to have thrown out something others find valuable.
    Growing up is really about being able to create space for others to grow and blossom, not getting out the loppers to attempt to cut them down to your size.
    Because it's double bollocks.

    It's bad enough people making a big deal back in the day about the 'theology' of Bono.

    Now we've got Karl bringing Ian bloody Anderson into it ...

    If Karl had read my objections properly he'd have seen that I consider whatever profundity the Sex Pistols had as something imposed on them by the London media. I doubt very much whether John Lydon and the others were worrying themselves about Situationism and all the other 'isms' they were meant to be representing.

    But for crying out loud. Karl's a grown man. He's got kids. What the hell's he doing listening to stuff I listened to when I was a teenager? For all I know he might not even have been born then ...

    Yes, I know it lays me wide open to charges of snobbery and what-have-you.

    But for Pete's sake Karl. My garden shed* has a more profound take on metaphysics than Ian Anderson.

    (*And I don't even have a garden shed)

  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    Best reply to one of GG's mini tirades: "Whatever, dude." :sunglasses:
  • My tirade was meant to be a bit of a laugh but the joke backfired on me.

    Fair do's mind.

    You are welcome to snoop in my skip any time. You'll find a lot of trash but also things that could be recycled and of value to other people. Help yourself.
  • mousethiefmousethief Shipmate
    When will you ever learn? When will you eeeeeeever learn?
  • I have learned. I've asked the fella to help himself to the stuff in my skip.

    I'm told that hefty 1970s 33rpm vinyl makes good ash trays. Lord of The Rings makes a good door-stop too ...

    ;)

    I'm trying to help. Besides, I thought the irony zone stretched further inland from the Pacific Northwest Coast than your neck of the woods ...
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Someone cut his fucking hands off. It's the only thing which will stop him digging...
  • I can hear "I got you babe" playing on the radio again. One day, GG, one day...
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    edited May 2019
    To be fair, that was rather old news - March. Not sure what triggered this thread necromancy.
  • I'd have thought it'd have dropped into Oblivion by now.
  • Simon ToadSimon Toad Shipmate
    I don't know what scorches my arse worst, Leaf's latest post on this thread or Susan Doris and other posters soberly discussing whether 'gotten' is correct usage or not on Hugal's thread about anti-evangelical sentiment apparently getting worse.

    Contrary to appearances, my backside isn't made of asbestos though and of course I should have anticipated a reaction and will try to hold my farts in for longer.

    Holding your gas in is bad for your insides: I,Clavdivs.
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    Where e'r you be... which reminds me of Mike Yarwood's best joke.
  • McMaverickMcMaverick Shipmate
    He’s a she 😉 I appreciate my name doesn’t give gender clues & we’re still in the era of assuming gender based on unintentional male bias.

    Just seen a guy on the TV saying Punk Vinyl is among the most valuable on the market...you might want to get them out of the skip!

    I have learned. I've asked the fella to help himself to the stuff in my skip.

    I'm told that hefty 1970s 33rpm vinyl makes good ash trays. Lord of The Rings makes a good door-stop too ...

    ;)

    I'm trying to help. Besides, I thought the irony zone stretched further inland from the Pacific Northwest Coast than your neck of the woods ...

  • Simon ToadSimon Toad Shipmate
    I assumed you were about to start up a franchise selling John McCain memorabilia nationwide.
  • Punk vinyl? Now you are talking.

    Bring it on.
  • mousethiefmousethief Shipmate
    edited August 2019
    Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you and your God-damned incessant pond war.

    FUCK

    YOU
    Meanwhile, how the holy hell can 'awe' and 'ah' rhyme?

    They just don't. They can't, they don't and they shouldn't.
    If 'awe' rhymes with 'ah' then I'm a Dutchman.

    No you're just a fucking arsehole. Bitch.
  • Happy now?
  • Do you get why he is angry ?
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Seconded.
    Happy now?

    Fuck off, asshole. (That's four different vowel sounds right there.)
  • Glad to see they're increasing. All is not lost.

    I prefer 'arsehole' but will accept 'asshole.' You say potato, I say potahto (does anyone actually say that?), You say tomahto, I say tomato ... I say arsehole but you say asshole ...

    @Doublethink - yes, I can see why Mousethief was angry and I apologise. I was winding him up and went too far. He was right to be cross.
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