An interesting, and as far as I am aware unique, feature of the New Apostolic Church is that they celebrate Communion using wafers each of which contains a drop of wine inserted before baking,
Hmm. A bit of a tangent here, perhaps, but wouldn't the wine sort of evaporate during the baking process?
A local (CofE) church, if doing Communion by Extension, uses wafers ready-impregnated, but after baking (or so I presume).
Re Gavin Maxwell, his reminiscences are mentioned by Fr Flegg in his book, and refer to the rather depressing time of decline post-Woodhouse, and with the ageing of the surviving Angels and priests.
But yes, point taken. It's the intention that counts, I guess.
Referring back to the OP (!), the Catholic Apostolics seem to have been orthodox - if advanced by early 19thC standards, compared to the CofE - in using ordinary wine, along with unleavened bread (presumably in the form of wafers).
The Sacrament was not only reserved in both kinds, but made available to the sick or housebound, and to those attending the evening service on Sundays, who had been unable to receive Communion at the morning Eucharist.
Hosts containing wine were introduced during the First World War to facilitate communion for NA German soldiers. Bakeries producing them are now in Germany, South Africa and Zambia. Not sure about baking procedure or when the wine is added.
The NAC is largely successful in the Third World: which is interesting because the original 'Irvingite' Apostles did not prioritise missionary work, regarding their role as perfecting the existing Church.
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I have seen a number of New Apostolic churches in that European mission territory which is called France. Their Communion Hosts contain wine,not sure though how Communion is distributed.
Referring back to the OP (!), the Catholic Apostolics seem to have been orthodox - if advanced by early 19thC standards, compared to the CofE - in using ordinary wine, along with unleavened bread (presumably in the form of wafers).
Our church (Orthodox - capital 'O') took over a Catholic Apostolic Church building in 1968. They left virtually everything behind with instructions that we could use things as we needed. One thing which we did not need was left in the bottom of the safe. That is a die stamp that they used for making communion bread, complete with a handwritten set of instructions.
The stamp is about 4 inches square, and is marked off with a grid for the individual pieces. These are square and each marked with a cross. There are 81 on the die, so the individual pieces are very small.
The instructions specify taking three tablespoons of Hungarian flour (looking it up, this is very finely milled flour with a very high gluten content) and mixing to a paste with three teaspoons of water in a breakfast cup. One pressing requires a portion of the paste about the size of a walnut. This is rolled very thin.
The instruction says to bake for about three minutes, so that it is crisp and breaks easily, but is not overcooked. There is a recommendation that this communion bread should not be kept for more than three weeks.
Obviously possession of strong bladder control was an essential attribute of any clergy.
More seriously, thanks to all who have thrown some light on this all but forgotten tradition.
Our church building, built by the Catholic Apostolics in 1888, came equipped with toilets. One is by the back door, adjacent to the clergy vestries (they had separate vestries for the Angel/Bishop, Presbyters, and Deacons) and very close to the sanctuary. The other is in the basement, accessed from the back of the nave. I am informed that there was also a urinal in the choir vestry, on the opposite side of the sanctuary from the clergy vestries.
Your remarks seem to emphasise how well, and how carefully, the Catholic Apostolic Church arranged itself, its hierarchy, and its buildings!
Nowt wrong with that - the thoughtful, and careful arrangements of its affairs, in line with prophetic, and Apostolic, teaching, is completely consistent with the church's theology and practice.
Well, the Apostle who devised many of the Catholic Apostolic services, John Bate Cardale (1802-1877) was a solicitor, and two others, Thomas Carlyle* (1803-1855), and Francis Valentine Woodhouse (1805-1901 - the last survivor of the twelve), were also lawyers.
*not to be confused with the author Thomas Carlyle (1795-1881)
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A local (CofE) church, if doing Communion by Extension, uses wafers ready-impregnated, but after baking (or so I presume).
Re Gavin Maxwell, his reminiscences are mentioned by Fr Flegg in his book, and refer to the rather depressing time of decline post-Woodhouse, and with the ageing of the surviving Angels and priests.
(BTW, @Mark Pinkerton , welcome aboard! Enjoy the voyage).
(But, if it's no longer alcoholic, is it still wine? Apologies for tangent......).
But yes, point taken. It's the intention that counts, I guess.
Referring back to the OP (!), the Catholic Apostolics seem to have been orthodox - if advanced by early 19thC standards, compared to the CofE - in using ordinary wine, along with unleavened bread (presumably in the form of wafers).
The Sacrament was not only reserved in both kinds, but made available to the sick or housebound, and to those attending the evening service on Sundays, who had been unable to receive Communion at the morning Eucharist.
Hosts containing wine were introduced during the First World War to facilitate communion for NA German soldiers. Bakeries producing them are now in Germany, South Africa and Zambia. Not sure about baking procedure or when the wine is added.
The NAC is largely successful in the Third World: which is interesting because the original 'Irvingite' Apostles did not prioritise missionary work, regarding their role as perfecting the existing Church.
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Unfortunately the liturgical richness of the original CAC has been abandoned.
Our church (Orthodox - capital 'O') took over a Catholic Apostolic Church building in 1968. They left virtually everything behind with instructions that we could use things as we needed. One thing which we did not need was left in the bottom of the safe. That is a die stamp that they used for making communion bread, complete with a handwritten set of instructions.
The stamp is about 4 inches square, and is marked off with a grid for the individual pieces. These are square and each marked with a cross. There are 81 on the die, so the individual pieces are very small.
The instructions specify taking three tablespoons of Hungarian flour (looking it up, this is very finely milled flour with a very high gluten content) and mixing to a paste with three teaspoons of water in a breakfast cup. One pressing requires a portion of the paste about the size of a walnut. This is rolled very thin.
The instruction says to bake for about three minutes, so that it is crisp and breaks easily, but is not overcooked. There is a recommendation that this communion bread should not be kept for more than three weeks.
Our church building, built by the Catholic Apostolics in 1888, came equipped with toilets. One is by the back door, adjacent to the clergy vestries (they had separate vestries for the Angel/Bishop, Presbyters, and Deacons) and very close to the sanctuary. The other is in the basement, accessed from the back of the nave. I am informed that there was also a urinal in the choir vestry, on the opposite side of the sanctuary from the clergy vestries.
Your remarks seem to emphasise how well, and how carefully, the Catholic Apostolic Church arranged itself, its hierarchy, and its buildings!
Nowt wrong with that - the thoughtful, and careful arrangements of its affairs, in line with prophetic, and Apostolic, teaching, is completely consistent with the church's theology and practice.