anti-Semitism

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  • It's worth pointing out that the BDS movement is at the request of the Palestinians themselves, despite the potential economic impact.

    The BDS movement in no sense advocates (a) the indiscriminate boycotting of Israeli products and Israeli individuals or (b) the lumping together of random Jews with the boycott.

    The thing is being directed at very specific businesses - usually ones which illegally operate in settlements inside the occupied Palestinian territories - and academics.
  • This is largely because everyone knows that an effective South Africa style boycott would utterly destroy the Palestinian economy and would likely trigger conditions as in Gaza to spread throughout the West Bank.

    South Africa is massive, Palestine is tiny. There is no comparison between their economies.
  • mr cheesy wrote: »
    It's worth pointing out that the BDS movement is at the request of the Palestinians themselves, despite the potential economic impact.

    The BDS movement in no sense advocates (a) the indiscriminate boycotting of Israeli products and Israeli individuals or (b) the lumping together of random Jews with the boycott.

    The thing is being directed at very specific businesses - usually ones which illegally operate in settlements inside the occupied Palestinian territories - and academics.

    I agree with b, and already said as much. As for a:
    https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott
    It's more nuanced than that. The focus is on certain companies and sectors but you will see that the Palestinian group behind the campaign do advocate a more general boycott.
  • Tommyrot. I'm not familiar with the situation which Gee D describes, but if local Jewish businesses don't dissociate themselves from the Israeli state's unlawful and unprophetic ("What does YHWH require from you?") actions, then they should be shunned just as a Halal butcher should be who doesn't condemn the actions of Daesh or Saudi Arabia.

    Of course, that sounds perfectly reasonable: and that reasoning is why I feel bound to show solidarity with my Indian friends, and my cricketing friends, so I won't be buying any more Australian products as a protest against ball tampering.
  • I don't hate Mr C. I just have little time for someone who behaves like a weasel. He was a weasel when he was my local councillor and he's a weasel now.

    Right, right. The person you're calling an anti-Semite because he has in the past spoken to people who are, and the person you're now calling a weasel. No hate there at all. What exactly do you say when you hate someone?

    What do I say when I hate someone? It would depend on the context but generally speaking I'd either remove myself from their presence or I'd say that I found the view they were expressing something I couldn't bear and then go.

    I called Mr C a weasel because he's trying to back both dogs in a fight when it seems he sort-of knows that one is the wrong dog but he can't quite bring himself to acknowledge it, partly because he doesn't want to lose face (or perhaps votes).

    And I care about this because I have relatives who experience anti-semitism which they find hurtful: I mean, being condemned for what/who you are born isn't exactly a matter of choice, is it?
  • A problem with BDS is that it is conflated with both anti-Israel (within its original 1948 UN boundaries) and anti-Semetism by some (many?).

    Further it looks completely uneven to single out Israel and ignore other countries. And yet we shouldn't be even discussing Israel when the original issue is a mural.

    I asked before about the artist who did the mural and was told to read the OP which has nil about the artist (hard on a phone). Who is Mear One.

    The Wikipedia article isn't about the mural centrally but had a discussion about it. Is the artist intention more nuanced that simple anti-semetism? He days so. Artist intention isn't the only important thing with art. But art is supposed to be subversive, controversial and force addressing of issues. Did the artist succeed? The UK response to the art and the politician, is it unnuanced? There's more here than meanings derived this far isn't there?
  • Another reasoned reply which displays @mr cheesy's immense breadth of experience and knowledge (I doubt that he's been further than Basingstoke in his life). Wow, I'm privileged that Shipmates should share these keen insights with me.
    Another thread in which you demand that which you will not supply.
    Israel≠Judaism. A British person who is Jewish does not have an obligation to comment on the affairs of a state to which s/he does not belong. Foaming Draught is a good name for you as your head is comprised more of gas than substance and you reason like someone who has consumed far too many.
  • I asked before about the artist who did the mural and was told to read the OP which has nil about the artist (hard on a phone). Who is Mear One.
    He chose to post his apologia on David Icke's site. That should tell you enough.

  • lilbuddha wrote: »
    I asked before about the artist who did the mural and was told to read the OP which has nil about the artist (hard on a phone). Who is Mear One.
    He chose to post his apologia on David Icke's site. That should tell you enough.

    Indeed it should. It's pretty clear the mural comes from an anti-Semitic place. That's not the same as saying it's obviously anti-Semitic at a brief glance without context.

    As to the relevance of Israel, it speaks to the motivations of those who are trying to pin anti-Semitism on Labour as led by Corbyn. I doubt we'd see anything like the same reaction and relentless pursuit if Corbyn didn't have a long history of opposing Israeli human rights violations.
  • edited March 2018
    Who is David Icke? I am mobile with limited data availability: never heard of him. Your link leads to a Wikipedia page which suggests he's perhaps psychiatrically delusional and has all sorts of outlandish ideas. Your "apologia" link leads to a search engine's results. Sounds like Icke (wiki page) seeks controversy and attention. So it tells me practically nil about the artist. If this Icke fellow is Bad is mural creator Mear One bad by association?

    I read the actual explanation by the artist on the Icke site, rather literate.
  • lilbuddhalilbuddha Shipmate
    edited March 2018
    Who is David Icke? I am mobile with limited data availability: never heard of him. Your link leads to a Wikipedia page which suggests he's perhaps psychiatrically delusional and has all sorts of outlandish ideas. Your "apologia" link leads to a search engine's results. Sounds like Icke (wiki page) seeks controversy and attention. So it tells me practically nil about the artist. If this Icke fellow is Bad is mural creator Mear One bad by association?

    I read the actual explanation by the artist on the Icke site, rather literate.
    The link lead to search engine results so no one had to click through it Icke's site. His Wiki page references his support of the Protocols, so pretty much anti-Semitic right there.
    I thought Mear One's explanation rambling and insufficient as a serious defence of his work.
    He did not have to post on a nutter site. He could have gone on any mainstream media site and done the same. That he chose Icke is telling.
  • As someone who would get picked up by the Gestapo for being Jewish, my concerns about right-wing antisemitism are several orders of magnitude greater than that are about left-wing antisemitism.

    Yes there's a problem on the extreme left. Corbyn and the vast majority of the Labour party are not on the extreme left.

    And it's pretty obvious that this is being used as a stick to beat Labour with, while Tories attend conferences on eugenics and dress up as Nazis for fun.

    Could Labour have handled this better? Yes. Am I concerned that Labour government will put me and my family in a ghetto? No.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Tommyrot. I'm not familiar with the situation which Gee D describes, but if local Jewish businesses don't dissociate themselves from the Israeli state's unlawful and unprophetic ("What does YHWH require from you?") actions, then they should be shunned just as a Halal butcher should be who doesn't condemn the actions of Daesh or Saudi Arabia.

    You and I share a birth year but your memory is failing much faster than mine. The anti-South African boycotts were based on the racist treatment by SA of its majority. And any criticism of the Saudis would be political or for religious intolerance rather than racism. That of the Daesh on the basis if their being terrorists. In short I can't see the comparison, and to ask that a local Jewish business condemn the actions of the Israeli government is risible. "Mum wants me to get a dozen apples, but first you must denounce the actions of the Israeli government".

    And I don't recall seeing you at any of the demonstrations against the SA rugby team.
  • Foaming DraughtFoaming Draught Shipmate
    edited April 2018
    Gee D wrote: »
    And I don't recall seeing you at any of the demonstrations against the SA rugby team.

    Not surprising, I was overseas on active service. I'm glad that you had the leisure to attend on my behalf.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Gee D wrote: »
    And I don't recall seeing you at any of the demonstrations against the SA rugby team.

    Not surprising, I was overseas on active service. I'm glad that you had the leisure to attend on my behalf.

    My number was not drawn. As for leisure - those freezing nights outside the Travelodge at Bondi were a load of laughs when we should have been sitting around tatting. We all kept sober to stop assertions that we were just a band of drunken youths.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Who is David Icke? I am mobile with limited data availability: never heard of him. Your link leads to a Wikipedia page which suggests he's perhaps psychiatrically delusional and has all sorts of outlandish ideas. Your "apologia" link leads to a search engine's results. Sounds like Icke (wiki page) seeks controversy and attention. So it tells me practically nil about the artist. If this Icke fellow is Bad is mural creator Mear One bad by association?

    I read the actual explanation by the artist on the Icke site, rather literate.

    Prophet:

    Icke is a British conspiracy-theorist who markets the old anti-semitic "Illuminati" theories with an added gloss of UFO cultism. He's probably most infamous for saying that the global elites are actually alien lizards in disguise. Seriously.

    From what I've seen of his stuff, it's not quite explicitly anti-semitic, and a politically naive person could be forgiven for not recognizing the dog-whistles. I believe he's made some very minor inroads on the Canadian left, mostly among people who are attracted to mystical politics, and don't quite get what "the international globalized banking families" etc etc is referencing.

  • Mr SmiffMr Smiff Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    Who is David Icke? I am mobile with limited data availability: never heard of him. Your link leads to a Wikipedia page which suggests he's perhaps psychiatrically delusional and has all sorts of outlandish ideas. Your "apologia" link leads to a search engine's results. Sounds like Icke (wiki page) seeks controversy and attention. So it tells me practically nil about the artist. If this Icke fellow is Bad is mural creator Mear One bad by association?

    I read the actual explanation by the artist on the Icke site, rather literate.

    Prophet:

    Icke is a British conspiracy-theorist who markets the old anti-semitic "Illuminati" theories with an added gloss of UFO cultism. He's probably most infamous for saying that the global elites are actually alien lizards in disguise. Seriously.


    [Tangent]... who, weirdly enough, used to be a fairly ordinary and straight-laced sports presenter on the BBC, until he had his "illumination" in the late 1980s. The most (in)famous part of this was an interview he gave on a chat show where he first expounded his views. I think most people's reaction at the time was that he was a bit of weird one and, "what's the bloke who used to present the darts doing saying all this stuff?".
  • Is there not a wider issue here:

    That the Nazis employed 'art' to propagate their hateful ideology and promote the enslavement and eradication of millions, is historically unquestionable.

    That the soviets under Stalin, Trotsky and Lenin employed 'art' to propagate their hateful ideology and promote the imprisoning, exile and eradication of millions by starvation, is historically unquestionable.

    Art and religion have historically been used and abused to further the ends of evil regimes, bent on the subjugation of millions.

    Why then is it that 'art' that is clearly being used to further such purposes is still regarded as 'sacrosanct' and protected. As if being 'art' excuses it of being 'offensive' or as if it is an inviolable expression of 'freedom of thought' in a free society?

    At what point does 'art' become a tool of oppression? At what point does 'art' become an expression of protest against 'oppression'?

    At what point should certain works of 'art' be eradicated and destroyed on the grounds that they might lead to the eradication or destruction of actual human beings?

    Obviously some odious 'art' should not be allowed to exist. But who should decide when and whether it should be destroyed like so much offensive graffiti? That is my question.

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  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Mr Smiff wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Who is David Icke? I am mobile with limited data availability: never heard of him. Your link leads to a Wikipedia page which suggests he's perhaps psychiatrically delusional and has all sorts of outlandish ideas. Your "apologia" link leads to a search engine's results. Sounds like Icke (wiki page) seeks controversy and attention. So it tells me practically nil about the artist. If this Icke fellow is Bad is mural creator Mear One bad by association?

    I read the actual explanation by the artist on the Icke site, rather literate.

    Prophet:

    Icke is a British conspiracy-theorist who markets the old anti-semitic "Illuminati" theories with an added gloss of UFO cultism. He's probably most infamous for saying that the global elites are actually alien lizards in disguise. Seriously.


    [Tangent]... who, weirdly enough, used to be a fairly ordinary and straight-laced sports presenter on the BBC, until he had his "illumination" in the late 1980s. The most (in)famous part of this was an interview he gave on a chat show where he first expounded his views. I think most people's reaction at the time was that he was a bit of weird one and, "what's the bloke who used to present the darts doing saying all this stuff?".

    If you think Icke's conversion raised some eyebrows, the former Canadian Minister Of Defense, a guy named Paul Hellyer, has been a UFO cultist for some time now, openly expressing his beliefs in media and public forums all over the place.

    Here is a Fleet Street tabloid article about Hellyer's views, which as you can see, embrace the Illuminati as well. He founded a very small and very marginal political party in Canada, dedicated to "anti-globalization", which seems to be the tendency on the left that attracts the most crackpots these days. I've seen articles linking Hellyer's party to Icke, but the connections didn't seem substantial.

  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    edited April 2018
    What are the thoughts here on Mr Corbyn attending the Jewdas Seder?

    From the other side of the world it looks a strange look to me, but I only have what I read in The Telegraph.
  • Climacus wrote: »
    What are the thoughts here on Mr Corbyn attending the Jewdas Seder?

    From the other side of the world it looks a strange look to me, but I only have what I read in The Telegraph.

    He was invited by a Jewish group in his constituency. It's not uncommon for Jews to invite non-Jewish friends.
  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    I know that, it was more the group's beliefs given what has happened of late. But I suppose, thinking on it, one should be open as MP to varying beliefs.
  • Curiosity killedCuriosity killed Shipmate
    edited April 2018
    Antisemitism has been recently (26 May 2016) defined by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (link) as:
    “a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”
    and this definition has been adopted by various groups within the Labour Party. It has been described by such bloggers as Leon Rosselson (left-wing Jewish song writer) in a blog entitled Welcome to the Witch hunt (link) from October 2017 as being
    a rather loose basic definition, followed by a rambling discourse around the subject that twice mentions Israel and then 11 examples, 7 of which refer to the state of Israel. Anyone with a functioning brain might suspect that this definition has less to do with protecting Jews from antisemitism than with shielding Israel from criticism.

    So we now have Jeremy Corbyn in the middle of an antisemitism row attending a Seder at a local Jewish group and that action being declared antisemitic as that group of young left-wing Jews has been critical of Israeli actions and Zionism. I suspect the use of the IHRA definition of antisemitism.
  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    Thanks again CK: that helps me understand further.
  • Michael Rosen has tweeted this morning
    It’s Good Jew Bad Jew Night, when non-Jewish media experts fly round the rooftops telling Jews who is a good Jew and who is a bad Jew. #FeelingGrateful
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    I still think one of the most bizarre by-lines in this saga was hearing a Jewish Corbyn supporter defending him on Radio 4 by saying that the Board of Deputies had no business criticising Mr Corbyn because some of them weren't even supporters of the Labour Party.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited April 2018
    Enoch wrote: »
    I still think one of the most bizarre by-lines in this saga was hearing a Jewish Corbyn supporter defending him on Radio 4 by saying that the Board of Deputies had no business criticising Mr Corbyn because some of them weren't even supporters of the Labour Party.

    One of the most, but not as bizarre as his being accused of anti-Semitism for accepting a Seder invitation from a Jewish group. As CK pointed out it speaks volumes that this accusation is wheeled out for any association with any group critical of Israel. Even Jewish criticism of Israel.
  • I think you'll find that the group that invited JC to Seder ("Jewdas") isn't your typical group and their celebration of the Seder is far removed from the norm. By-and-large it is a purely political grouping and, in the experience of Jewish friends, can be pretty hostile to observant jews.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Or "other observant Jews" perhaps? Either way, I'm not sure it's up to us - or JC - to decide who's a Real Jew. In an alternative universe the story is "How can we trust JC to address anti-Semitism when he refuses invitation to a local Jewish group's Seder?"
  • jewdas.org/?page_id=2 They describe themselves as 'mercilessly satirising anglo Jewry'; and offering an alternative to the 'stranglehold' of Israeli-based culture on being Jewish. Manifesto aims include throwing great parties and subverting orthodox religious culture.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Have to confess that both they and JC eating with them, a disliked group within Jewish society, reminds me of someone.
  • Apparently the Board of Deputies accused Jewdas of anti-Semitism. Which, inevitably, Jewdas think is anti-Semitic.

    Anyway, Jewdas in their own words. They seem like a decent bunch.
  • Two tweets that are worth reading:

    Michael Rosen at 12:37am today:
    We're going on a witch hunt, we're going to catch a Corbyn. What a beautiful day. We're not scared. Uh-uh. Jewdas! The wrong sort of Jews! . We can't go over them, we can't go under them, Oh no! we've got to tell lies about them: smirch, smirch, smirch, smirch..
    which makes Leon Rosselson look very prescient.

    And from Jewdas
    Twenty four hours ago, we had roughly 2,600 followers.
    Now, we have just passed 10,000.
    We’d like to give a massive shalom aleykhem to all our new comrades.
    Special shout outs go to @GuidoFawkes @wikiguido @BoardofDeputies @BoDPres @JewishLabour and of course @stephenpollard.
  • I think you'll find that the group that invited JC to Seder ("Jewdas") isn't your typical group and their celebration of the Seder is far removed from the norm. By-and-large it is a purely political grouping and, in the experience of Jewish friends, can be pretty hostile to observant jews.

    They are observant Jews, who've refused to be pushed out of their faith by the conservative politics of the likes of the Board of Deputies. A Christian parallel might be Steve Chalke as compared with mainstream conservative Evangelicalism.
  • I think you'll find that the group that invited JC to Seder ("Jewdas") isn't your typical group and their celebration of the Seder is far removed from the norm. By-and-large it is a purely political grouping and, in the experience of Jewish friends, can be pretty hostile to observant jews.
    From what little I have read, it is more that they challenge conservatives and the idea that Israel=All Things Jewish. I've only read a little, so bear that in mind. But if one is of the ANYTHINGBADSAIDABOUTISRAELISANTISEMETIC!!!! leaning, I think one mightn't like them.
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    Israel is not the Jewish Vatican.
  • Speaking as an outsider (and a gentile), I think the point is to ask whether Corbyn has also been invited to meet with any Jewish groups that have been more critical of him vis a vis his response to antisemitism in his party and his distancing of himself from antisemitism in general. He doesn't have to meet with the local Netanyahu fan club, but I still think he needs to expose himself to the points and questions Jewish groups more critical of him would like to make - and allow them to educate him a bit about how and why they perceived certain associations of his and actions of Labour party members are antisemitic and why they feel personally threatened and offended by them. Maybe he has received such invitations and went to one such a meeting or more since the most recent antisemitism scandal. As an outsider I haven't followed all the news with regards to this.
  • He has offered repeatedly to meet with the groups leading the complaints, and they have only today agreed to meet with him.
  • David Schneider article in the New Statesman on antisemitism in the Labour Party - he's another Jewish writer / actor I follow on Twitter. He's quite clear about the antisemitism in the Labour party and explains the complications.
  • AmosAmos Shipmate
    Jewdas reminds me quite a lot of a certain online community not a million miles from here.
  • David Schneider article in the New Statesman on antisemitism in the Labour Party - he's another Jewish writer / actor I follow on Twitter. He's quite clear about the antisemitism in the Labour party and explains the complications.

    I didn't find it very clear really. Well, his assertion that anti-Semitism exists in Labour is clear, but he doesn't provide any examples. I did read of someone in a facebook group, where there were such comments, but not by him, but is he thereby anti-Semitic himself?
  • roybartroybart Shipmate
    mr cheesy wrote: »

    Ok yeah - please tell us how many times you've visited producers in Palestine, how long you've been held by border guards at Ben Gurion and the Allenby bridge. Then tell us how much of your own money you've invested in projects seeking to address Palestinian poverty. Then tell us how many years you've spend looking at maps and trade statistics, how many Jews you know from the Palestinian solidarity groups and how many marches you've been on where there have been heated discussions about anti-Semitism of certain groups.

    Yeah, when you've done all that we can talk about who is being stupid here.

    I would be interested, mr. cheesy, in hearing how many of these experiences you yourself have had.

    The idea that one must have a vast range of hands-on experience in something before one has the right to express opinions on it seems rather lame to me, and not up to your usual standards.

    As to Jeremy Corbyn's role in all this. He "sincerely regrets that I did not look more closely at the image." Did not look more closely! It makes me, as an outsider to British politics, how many other positions he has taken on major political and economic matters that he has not looked at "more closely."
  • I have to say I saw that mural and saw instantly what it was. I found and find it shocking that such a thing could go up in a public place. It's not that I haven't seen such images before, I have seen such things, and each and every time they make me feel filthy; as if so corrupted and tainted by their dirt or just in the simple act of looking that I need to go away and wash. It's just vile. This is not art, it is evil and dangerous propaganda that has nothing to do with legitimate criticism of the state of Israel or a sense of righteous indignation at the plight of Palestinians and everything to do with demonizing people to the extent that we no longer see them as people.

  • The mural wasn't meant to have anything to do with Israel. It was (supposedly) a protest against the banking industry. It
  • mr cheesymr cheesy Shipmate
    edited April 2018
    roybart wrote: »

    I would be interested, mr. cheesy, in hearing how many of these experiences you yourself have had.

    I've talked about it enough times already.
    The idea that one must have a vast range of hands-on experience in something before one has the right to express opinions on it seems rather lame to me, and not up to your usual standards.

    Someone accused me of talking about a situation I knew nothing about from an armchair in Basingstoke when the reality is that I spend a lot of money and time digging into the issues at first hand.

    I would say that it absolutely say that it is very hard to get a true understanding of this situation without actually going there.

    This is the problem - there are many who want to pontificate but few who want to directly address the facts because they are uncomfortable. Such as the dependence of the Palestinian economy on Israeli customers and partners and jobs.

    The reality is that many Palestinians are desperate for work and will queue for hours to get to low paid employment inside Israel, some work in settlements and some even work on security building projects for Israel.

    I've even been inside factories in the West Bank who appeared to be making items for the Israeli army.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    edited April 2018
    The mural wasn't meant to have anything to do with Israel. It was (supposedly) a protest against the banking industry. It

    That of course is what is being said. It's just an unexpected quirk that what is shown are caricatures of Jewish men as the bankers. Just a strange result from the paint on the wall, not meant but that's the way it somehow ended up and the artist could not correct it.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host
    And presumably the same strange result of paint on the wall made me think that one of the figures was a caricature of Vladimir Putin, and another of George Bush. I can see, having been told, that the picture contains anti-Semitic tropes, but wouldn’t have realised it otherwise. Specifically I would not have seen the figures round the table as a group of Jews. I could instantly have decoded the picture as anti-capitalist but not (without instruction) as anti-Semitic.
  • The painter at least claims that only two of the six figures are Jewish, and all the figures are specific bankers rather than generic caricatures. Of course he then went on to blame elderly white Jews for the mural being painted over and called the Jewish bankers in question "demons" which didn't exactly help his case.

    I think you have to have a reasonably well tuned anti-Semitism sensor to see the mural without context and pick up the anti-Semitic subtext. It's there but it's not immediately obvious and particularly not on a small screen (Corbyn claims he only saw it on a phone when making the comment). I could easily imagine seeing the image, thinking "generic graffiti-style mural" rather than anything more sinister. As for complaints that he should have looked more closely: it was 2012, no-one gave half a shit whether Corbyn made a mistake and it was a facebook comment on a minor incident. How much time was reasonable to spend on it?
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Nothing to stop your believing what he asserts. I may be cynical, but my first question is why would you want to make 1/3 of your bankers Jewish in the first instance. Then the format he uses looks back to anti-semitic posters of previous years. His subsequent comments don't help him or his credibility one iota.

    As to Corbyn's reaction - the man can't help himself. How did he come to see it on a phone a half dozen years ago. Why did he not smell a rat?

    Finally, it only took me a moment's glance to see the anti-semitism in it. A politician ought be much more aware than Corbyn's account has his being. Then to go to Facebook about it without making more enquiries?????
  • I've come to the conclusion that Corbyn is a first rate fool who is so infatuated with his own image as a radical leftist that he will do anything, say anything and employ anything to attempt to cement that view. He hasn't created a party or sensible criteria for policy, but he has created a personality cult.
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