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  • peasepease Tech Admin
    I also got a 'not trusted' error/warning this morning, from two different chrome-based browsers. It looked from the details as though they'd lost the certificate authority (or didn't like it for some unstated reason).

    I did something else, looked at shipyard (which worked), and then re-visited the forums, which also worked.

    Note that shipyard uses the same certificate authority as this site.
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    A minor thing, but I've noticed that sometimes a simulpost may not show up when one immediately reviews what one has just posted, but then pops up, before one's post, when one looks a bit later.
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    Eutychus wrote: »
    A minor thing, but I've noticed that sometimes a simulpost may not show up when one immediately reviews what one has just posted, but then pops up, before one's post, when one looks a bit later.

    The pages aren't a continuous feed; you only see what you've downloaded. If someone else posts in the interim you will need to refresh your browser to see it. This can be a bit confusing because when you posted on the old Ship it pulled a refresh immediately. On this boat, posting submits it to the server but doesn't wait for a refresh to show it on your currently displayed version of the thread.
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host, Epiphanies Host
    edited March 2018
    @ pease

    That happened to me at about 8.30am. While I'm away and having to use mobile data, I'm using my android phone with a Chrome browser to keep in touch. I've amazed myself with what I can do in spare time over the last couple of days. But the 'not trusted' msg was a shock. Never seen it before and used the smartfone a lot during the first 10 days. Powered down, powered up, problem still there. Powered down, powered up again, no problem. And the mobile data network link has been fine for the rest of the day.

    I'm on the Vodafone mobile data network.

    pease, I feel all we can do is monitor this. There ought
    not to be a problem. But there has been for several folks.
  • Baptist TrainfanBaptist Trainfan Shipmate
    edited March 2018
    Help please - I can see how to post a comment then alter/edit it. But what does one do if I just want to delete it entirely? The system doesn't seem to let me do that any more.
  • You can't delete it when posted. You can delete a draft - by finding the post in My Drafts and finding the nearly invisible cross in the top right corner
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    Help please - I can see how to post a comment then alter/edit it. But what does one do if I just want to delete it entirely? The system doesn't seem to let me do that any more.

    If you have second thoughts after actually posting, I suggest putting something along the lines of:

    [thought better of this post and deleted it]

    but not abusing the option.

    "Engage brain before posting" has never been more important.
  • Thanks. It's a shame that one can't get rid of a post, especially when one finds that one has cross-posted with someone else who perhaps has taken the discussion in a new direction (or repeated what one has said!)
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    Yes, I've found more use of [ETA] and refreshing one's browser is needed.
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host, Epiphanies Host
    edited March 2018
    Baptist Trainfan. You've always got 6 minutes to add (xposted) when you have. Or Eutychus' option.

    It looks as though the Delete post option is linked to the unlimited Edit time that Hosts get on their forums and Admin get everywhere. Unless pease the magician can come up with some kind of fix, that is.

    Unlimited Edit time has always been ruled out here because it can completely muck up the flow of the discussion, and I think that's right. So, harking back to the old Ship, make sure you're one of the 'six or seven' who actually use Preview! I forget, too, particularly when posting outside Purg and DH. Something to get used to.
  • peasepease Tech Admin
    Lily Pad wrote: »
    Is there a way to tell whether or not a private message has been seen by the recipient?
    and
    There might be a view acknowledgement for PMs, you know the sort of thing, "Read by XX at 03:15 (XX is obviously insomniac) today". But I can't find it, if there is. Is there a "Message read" tag? Or is it an easy job to add one to PMs? (Of course, perhaps my recipients just don't read my PMs).
    Afraid not - the concept of "message read" doesn't really work in this framework.

    For one thing, there's no way of displaying a single message - all the messages in a conversation are displayed at once (subject to the page limit). Also, a user can send multiple messages to another user without having to wait for a reply to the first one. This means there's no way of knowing whether someone has read a specific message in a conversation, or just read them all in one go. (And remember that conversations can be between more than two users, which would make any notification system rather unwieldy.)
  • Does vanilla by chance have the ability not to display the new comment box by default at the bottom of a page of comments that is not the last?

    It seems rather easy for people not to notice that there is an additional page of comments, read to the bottom of the page, and then add their comment. Not displaying the comment box unless/until someone clicked on a quote button would help prevent this from happening.
    But what if you just want to post something without quoting a particular post?

  • It is particularly noticeable in some of the games that people are posting responses to something on the bottom of the page before, not the last post.

    Reading a thread, if I think I've finished and come out of the thread the software will tell me that there are x unread posts and take me to the top of the next page if I click back on the thread or I can click on the next page number before coming out of the thread.

    But it works in a different way to The Old Ship™ so we have had a number of non sequiturs in games.
  • There is a list of page numbers just above the reply window (where there are multiple pages) with the current page highlighted in a blue box. If there's another number to the right of that then there is another page of posts. It doesn't seem that difficult a concept. I'm clearly being dense, and don't see the problem. Nor am I seeing a greater number of posts here than on the old boards where someone posts without noticing there's another page of posts (which did happen on the old boards).
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    edited March 2018
    There is a list of page numbers just above the reply window (where there are multiple pages) with the current page highlighted in a blue box. If there's another number to the right of that then there is another page of posts. It doesn't seem that difficult a concept. I'm clearly being dense, and don't see the problem. Nor am I seeing a greater number of posts here than on the old boards where someone posts without noticing there's another page of posts (which did happen on the old boards).

    The question was from SusanDoris who is visually impaired and uses a screen reader. Is there a way she can know which page she is on? Will the screen reader pick up a blue box @SusanDoris?

  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    Thanks. It's a shame that one can't get rid of a post, especially when one finds that one has cross-posted with someone else who perhaps has taken the discussion in a new direction (or repeated what one has said!)

    I just delete it and leave a full stop. Not ideal but OK. Others leave a ‘deleted post’ message.

  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
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  • Boogie wrote: »
    There is a list of page numbers just above the

    The question was from SusanDoris who is visually impaired and uses a screen reader. Is there a way she can know which page she is on? Will the screen reader pick up a blue box @SusanDoris?
    /Thank you, Boogie, but actually, I can manage that quite well. When I come to the end of a page, I put the magnified focus on those squares and see if there's one where the hand appears!

    I tried to delete non-relevant bits of quote, but don't think I've done that properly though!
  • There is a list of page numbers just above the reply window (where there are multiple pages) with the current page highlighted in a blue box. If there's another number to the right of that then there is another page of posts. It doesn't seem that difficult a concept.

    My eyes are not naturally drawn there. Maybe yours are, but for me, I've read to the bottom of the page and am presented with a comment box, so it feels like I'm at the end of the list. I've made a few non-sequitur posts on the new ship, and don't think I ever did on the old one.

    I've also caught a few before posting - if I can remember to check, then I do, but I find it very easy to overlook.
    SusanDoris wrote: »
    But what if you just want to post something without quoting a particular post?

    If you're on the last page of comments, you would get the comment box. If you're not on the last page of comments, you shouldn't be posting something :wink:
  • There is a list of page numbers just above the reply window (where there are multiple pages) with the current page highlighted in a blue box. If there's another number to the right of that then there is another page of posts. It doesn't seem that difficult a concept.

    My eyes are not naturally drawn there. Maybe yours are, but for me, I've read to the bottom of the page and am presented with a comment box, so it feels like I'm at the end of the list.
    Maybe there is simply a different group of people posting without realising they're aren't on the last page from before, but overall I'm not seeing an increase in number of people doing so.

    Personally, I find the big numbers above the reply box a lot clearer than the tiny wee numbers above the "add reply" button we used to have. And, on the old boards that button was there at the bottom of every page, not just the last one. So, other than it being a reply box rather than a button, and a set of big numbers rather than tiny wee ones, I'm not sure what's changed.

    But clearly, different folks see things differently.
  • So, other than it being a reply box rather than a button,

    I think that's the difference - the reply box somehow has a more immediate feel or something. Couple that with the (mostly useful) fact that the new software dumps you at the point you have read up to, and it's easier, IMO, to make a mistake.
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    There is an associated problem, in that it is perfectly allowable to quote and respond to a post on a page that is not the last page. This software does not allow that to function correctly if it's not currently rendered on your view. So, for technical reasons, the reply box at the end of every page is probably going to persist.

    We'll all just have to learn how to live with the consequences. Somehow.
  • LeRocLeRoc Shipmate
    RooK wrote: »
    There is an associated problem, in that it is perfectly allowable to quote and respond to a post on a page that is not the last page.
    I remember that in the first years of the Ship, it was required to read all posts on a thread before replying on it. This seems to have softened somewhat.

  • There is no preview option when editing an existing post.
    Yeah, I know, preview post is your friend.
    But that logic would eliminate the need for editing in the first place.
    So, is preview an optional button that can be added to the edit window?
  • LeRoc wrote: »
    RooK wrote: »
    There is an associated problem, in that it is perfectly allowable to quote and respond to a post on a page that is not the last page.
    I remember that in the first years of the Ship, it was required to read all posts on a thread before replying on it. This seems to have softened somewhat.
    That has always been the advice, but there was never any means of enforcing it. It was, and still is, possible to post a reply at whichever point you've reached in reading a thread. If you ignore that advice you just risk looking right daft when you make a point that someone else had already made several hours before.
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    edited March 2018
    LeRoc wrote: »
    RooK wrote: »
    There is an associated problem, in that it is perfectly allowable to quote and respond to a post on a page that is not the last page.
    I remember that in the first years of the Ship, it was required to read all posts on a thread before replying on it. This seems to have softened somewhat.

    Not at all. But if after reading all the posts, you want to reply to something on the previous page, that page will need a reply box for the quote button to work.
  • All has been going well here, for me, until today, when I am constantly having to sign in, as I am signed out each time I leave a thread. I have the " Keep me signed in" box checked and this has worked up until now. Is it just me? Or is the ship going through stormy water?
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    Cathscats wrote: »
    All has been going well here, for me, until today, when I am constantly having to sign in, as I am signed out each time I leave a thread. I have the " Keep me signed in" box checked and this has worked up until now. Is it just me? Or is the ship going through stormy water?

    No such server problems that I can see. Have you tried turning it off and on again?¹


    ¹ Gratuitous IT Crowd reference.
  • CathscatsCathscats Shipmate
    edited March 2018
    Thanks, I had tried that. However whatever the problem was, now seems to have sorted itself!
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    I got unilaterally signed out on all my devices a couple of days ago.
  • I was signed off yesterday for no discernable reason.

  • peasepease Tech Admin
    If you look at the cookie it uses for login, you'll see that the expiry period is one month.
  • pease wrote: »
    If you look at the cookie it uses for login, you'll see that the expiry period is one month.
    Is that something you chose? Curious as to why, if so. Not that it is a massive problem to re-login, just curious.
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    Maybe it's just code for the admins evilly unplugging everyone once every so often to fuel our paranoia.
  • OK, so I noticed an issue on one machine that I use to access the Ship, but as it didn't occur anywhere else, I though it was the machine itself. But now I have noticed it on a second machine.
    On the first machine, clicking Post Comment, and IIRC Edit in the Preview Window, would cause the site to freeze. At most I could click out to the main forum page at which time the whole forum would become unresponsive. Typically, nothing would bring it back during that session and, indeed, not even after shutting down and restarting.
    A similar thing just happened on a second machine, but the site became responsive after a few minutes. Both running Win 7 and the latest Firefox.

    Hasn't happened on mobile yet.
  • peasepease Tech Admin
    lilbuddha wrote: »
    pease wrote: »
    If you look at the cookie it uses for login, you'll see that the expiry period is one month.
    Is that something you chose? Curious as to why, if so. Not that it is a massive problem to re-login, just curious.
    It's the default.
  • peasepease Tech Admin
    It's not a particularly obvious default - it's hidden in the code. And until a few days ago, I doubt anyone had given it any thought at all...
  • I got this too, which was a bit disconcerting. Normally these things are based on unused time (so if you are using the ship each day, as we all do, it doesn't matter).
  • MooMoo Kerygmania Host
    I wrote a post yesterday and when I tried to post it, I was told, "You are not authorized to do this." I then discovered that I wasn't signed in.
  • I got this too, which was a bit disconcerting. Normally these things are based on unused time (so if you are using the ship each day, as we all do, it doesn't matter).
    This one doesn't care who regularly use the Ship. It has a specific expiry date. I checked after I saw this. And I use the site daily on multiple devices, and was already logged out on one of them by the cookie.
  • Yeah, my phone logged out today.

    Everything else is set up to log out on exit.
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    I found myself logged out today, too. I'm glad I'm not alone!
  • I seem to be piling up a number of unused drafts. How do I delete them, please? (I have OCD, so really don't like to be untidy....).

    Umble Appo Loagies if this question has been asked and answered elsewhen, and/or elsewhere.

    IJ
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host
    Click the Drafts button to go to your drafts, and in the top r/h corner of each one there is an almost invisible X which enables you to delete the draft
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    Is there no substitute for the "printer-friendly version" button?

    That was really useful a) to find stuff in long threads (for my brain at least, far better than the current "search" function) b) print the entire thread out for safe keeping.
  • BroJames wrote: »
    Click the Drafts button to go to your drafts, and in the top r/h corner of each one there is an almost invisible X which enables you to delete the draft

    So there is! All nice and tidy now - many thanks!

    IJ

  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host
    :smile:
  • Another one being frequently signed out unasked. IPad only, and possibly a dozen times in the last week.. Have rebooted iPad but it seems to make no difference either way.
  • lilbuddhalilbuddha Shipmate
    edited April 2018
    Weird thing. If I press the Quote button whilst reading on my iPhone(iOS 11.3), I cannot scroll up the page. When I try, the page will force its way down to the quote box.
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    lilbuddha wrote: »
    Weird thing. If I press the Quote button whilst reading on my iPhone(iOS 11.3), I cannot scroll up the page. When I try, the page will force its way down to the quote box.

    (Quotes using iPhone)
    What browser are you using?
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