Gamma "Fucking clever than yow" Gamaliel - over here...
..listen, Gam.
I get you don't like Prog Rock.
I get you don't think there's anything profound about any of the material on Aqualung.
That's great. For you. I'm glad you moved on to something really sophisticated and clever and relevant like the Sex Pistols.
But can you just fuck off and post somewhere else where you've got something more to contribute than your fucking superiority and clever "been there, seen that, moved on, you still listening to that shite?" posturing?
If there's nothing to discuss, there's nothing to discuss. But in that case say nothing.
Twat.
I get you don't like Prog Rock.
I get you don't think there's anything profound about any of the material on Aqualung.
That's great. For you. I'm glad you moved on to something really sophisticated and clever and relevant like the Sex Pistols.
But can you just fuck off and post somewhere else where you've got something more to contribute than your fucking superiority and clever "been there, seen that, moved on, you still listening to that shite?" posturing?
If there's nothing to discuss, there's nothing to discuss. But in that case say nothing.
Twat.
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It's bad enough people making a big deal back in the day about the 'theology' of Bono.
Now we've got Karl bringing Ian bloody Anderson into it ...
If Karl had read my objections properly he'd have seen that I consider whatever profundity the Sex Pistols had as something imposed on them by the London media. I doubt very much whether John Lydon and the others were worrying themselves about Situationism and all the other 'isms' they were meant to be representing.
But for crying out loud. Karl's a grown man. He's got kids. What the hell's he doing listening to stuff I listened to when I was a teenager? For all I know he might not even have been born then ...
Yes, I know it lays me wide open to charges of snobbery and what-have-you.
But for Pete's sake Karl. My garden shed* has a more profound take on metaphysics than Ian Anderson.
(*And I don't even have a garden shed)
Yes, it is ok. Karl's perfectly at liberty to like Aqualung.
I quite like the guitar solo in the title track. I've already acknowledged that.
What I don't do is use the fucking album as some kind of learned theatrical tract when it is bugger all of the kind.
It's only rock'n'roll.
And dated rock'n'roll at that.
I didn't get much sleep last night, are you sure that you are getting your regular 8 hours?
It's just that your posts read like you've overdosed on coffee.
And I am currently hooked on In the Land of Grey and Pink, put out by Caravan in 1971. So sue me.
As if it's all about him.
Which is how so many of your posts lately come across, Gamaliel. As if it's all about you. Not just this one; your arguments with Steve Langton seem to be as much about your personal need to "correct" him, "protect" the Ship from him (you said as much in the thread you started calling him to Hell), as if you were the saviour of the Ship from his church-state obsession (and I say that as someone much more on your side in that argument than Steve's).
Now, just because you don't see any theological value in Ian Anderson's lyrics, no one else should either. It's snobbish, egotistical and arrogant. Sure, you might not see that there; but Karl (and others) did - so why not let them discuss it? Why hold your opinion in such high regard that you don't think anyone else should think any different? Why make it all about you?
There are arguments about weighing lyrics too heavily, interpreting them with too much bias; all sorts of things. You just went with boredom. What was the point of that?
If you're going to criticise me for still liking those, you're going to have a hell of a fight on your hands.
Part of me thinks that if someone is going to parade around with a T-shirt saying, 'I'm so stupid I take 1970s Prog Rock lyrics seriously ...' then they are asking for everything they get ...
But then, honesty compels to acknowledge that I was an arsehole on Karl's thread.
I'm still happy to provide my adolescent dates and play-lists you can all adhere to mind ...
But I'll get me coat.
I am having a pretty shitty time of it in some ways but that's no excuse for being an arse aboard Ship.
Here are my bollocks. Kick them.
FWIW you have to understand my era, the context ... as Prog was replaced by the Pol Pot Year Zero of Punk ...
To be fair, though, most of us listened to both at the same time but gradually our Prog records moved to the back of the cupboard.
I think Karl would be surprised to find some tracks he likes on my playlist. I'm no longer in the rock and roll Khmer Rouge.
Let a thousand flowers bloom.
But yes, I've been an arse. Sorry about that.
Here are my buttocks. Kick them.
Seriously, posting here isn't helping you.
Apologies folks.
Oh yes. I figure that if I'm bad enough, I'll be able to criticise everyone on the planet and still be punching up.
I didn't mention all my musical interests.
I could bang on about how my CD and vinyl collection covers everything from Bach to Bowie, the B52s to Baroque ... avant-garde, classical, jazz, blues, World, folk, punk, rock, Monteverdi, Gregorian chant, Russian vespers, Gospel, reggae, ska ... and all stations in between.
Anything apart from heavy metal and Prog.
So yes, I could be even more of an insufferable snob. The damage is done though and I've been a twat.
I had no right to shit all over Karl's Jethro Tull thread.
I regret doing so. I apologise. I wish I could delete my comments.
I don't know how to make amends other than by buggering off.
Yes.
Surely he will redeem "Losing my religion" by putting it in a major key (warning: may cause illness, seizures, or death for musicians. Plenty more where that came from...)
Maybe the only difference between heaven and hell are the personalized playlists.
There you go. Send your payment to the usual address.
I still think Prog is bollocks for the most part but the OP was a fair call. I can think it's bollocks but that doesn't mean I need to kick it.
Also, I like Karl Liberal-Backslider and was sorry I'd annoyed him.
You got a problem with that, Martin?
Don't you fancy yourself as some kind of a wordsmith? Because how you can write something like that without realising you are about to achieve the exact opposite of your stated intent and not realise it is totally beyond me. You've obviously learned nothing from this thread.
You're so right. What we are trying so idiosyncratically to do as a gathered representation of the body of Christ is nothing more than giving misfits an opportunity to be admired and applauded.
Your discernment has me lost for words. I see now that our efforts to nurture participatory worship are a complete waste of time, being ecclesiologically, theologically, and pastorally ill-thought-out and shallow. It would be much better simply to close down and shift over to all of us going to open-mic night at the local bar.
Always provided we do not do Jethro Tull covers, of course.
[added missing -free at the beginning there]