Gamma "Fucking clever than yow" Gamaliel - over here...

KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
edited March 2018 in Hell
..listen, Gam.

I get you don't like Prog Rock.

I get you don't think there's anything profound about any of the material on Aqualung.

That's great. For you. I'm glad you moved on to something really sophisticated and clever and relevant like the Sex Pistols.

But can you just fuck off and post somewhere else where you've got something more to contribute than your fucking superiority and clever "been there, seen that, moved on, you still listening to that shite?" posturing?

If there's nothing to discuss, there's nothing to discuss. But in that case say nothing.

Twat.
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  • We can just like a thing. It's okay.
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    Yes, but to come and shit all over a thread devoting to the thing to gripe about how you don't like it is less so.
  • I've no idea what you are all talking about - but that is a strange way to discuss the topic Gamaliel. What were you expecting anyone to reply when you wrote the first of your "it's all bollocks, innit" posts? Why did you think it needed repeating twice more?
  • Because it's double bollocks.

    It's bad enough people making a big deal back in the day about the 'theology' of Bono.

    Now we've got Karl bringing Ian bloody Anderson into it ...

    If Karl had read my objections properly he'd have seen that I consider whatever profundity the Sex Pistols had as something imposed on them by the London media. I doubt very much whether John Lydon and the others were worrying themselves about Situationism and all the other 'isms' they were meant to be representing.

    But for crying out loud. Karl's a grown man. He's got kids. What the hell's he doing listening to stuff I listened to when I was a teenager? For all I know he might not even have been born then ...

    Yes, I know it lays me wide open to charges of snobbery and what-have-you.

    But for Pete's sake Karl. My garden shed* has a more profound take on metaphysics than Ian Anderson.

    (*And I don't even have a garden shed)

  • Doc Tor wrote: »
    We can just like a thing. It's okay.

    Yes, it is ok. Karl's perfectly at liberty to like Aqualung.

    I quite like the guitar solo in the title track. I've already acknowledged that.

    What I don't do is use the fucking album as some kind of learned theatrical tract when it is bugger all of the kind.

    It's only rock'n'roll.

    And dated rock'n'roll at that.
  • Ooookay then.

    I didn't get much sleep last night, are you sure that you are getting your regular 8 hours?

    It's just that your posts read like you've overdosed on coffee.
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    edited March 2018
    But for crying out loud. Karl's a grown man. He's got kids. What the hell's he doing listening to stuff I listened to when I was a teenager? For all I know he might not even have been born then ...
    Not only are you a total snob, if that was the purpose of your post it did not belong where you posted it. That was threadshitting and nothing else.

    And I am currently hooked on In the Land of Grey and Pink, put out by Caravan in 1971. So sue me.

  • Mr SmiffMr Smiff Shipmate
    It's the sheer arrogance of it that got me: as if, just because Gamaliel believed there to be no theological significance in the songs, Karl (and anyone else) should've simply accepted that and stopped the discussion forthwith, as if Gamaliel were the ultimate arbiter of this and everyone else on the thread had to bow to his opinion.

    As if it's all about him.

    Which is how so many of your posts lately come across, Gamaliel. As if it's all about you. Not just this one; your arguments with Steve Langton seem to be as much about your personal need to "correct" him, "protect" the Ship from him (you said as much in the thread you started calling him to Hell), as if you were the saviour of the Ship from his church-state obsession (and I say that as someone much more on your side in that argument than Steve's).

    Now, just because you don't see any theological value in Ian Anderson's lyrics, no one else should either. It's snobbish, egotistical and arrogant. Sure, you might not see that there; but Karl (and others) did - so why not let them discuss it? Why hold your opinion in such high regard that you don't think anyone else should think any different? Why make it all about you?
  • Because it's double bollocks.

    It's bad enough people making a big deal back in the day about the 'theology' of Bono.

    Now we've got Karl bringing Ian bloody Anderson into it ...
    Dude. That post of yours was romanlionish. It served no purpose other than to aggravate. There was no discussion, no dissection of the concept, just 'Yawn. Yawn. Who cares?' Why? You can be tedious as fuck, goofy as Hell, but you are not typically an arsehole for the sake of it. That comment pretty much was.
    There are arguments about weighing lyrics too heavily, interpreting them with too much bias; all sorts of things. You just went with boredom. What was the point of that?
  • I'm rather fond of The Lord of the Rings (1954) and Dune (1965). I hadn't even been born when both of those were published, and yes, I read them when I was a teenager.

    If you're going to criticise me for still liking those, you're going to have a hell of a fight on your hands.
  • sabinesabine Shipmate
    Gamaliel, can you provide us with the exact years of your adolescence so we can clean up our playlists and avoid the horrible sin of listening to music you've moved on from?
  • Alright, alright ... guilty as charged. I was a wazzock.

    Part of me thinks that if someone is going to parade around with a T-shirt saying, 'I'm so stupid I take 1970s Prog Rock lyrics seriously ...' then they are asking for everything they get ...

    But then, honesty compels to acknowledge that I was an arsehole on Karl's thread.

    I'm still happy to provide my adolescent dates and play-lists you can all adhere to mind ...

    But I'll get me coat.

    I am having a pretty shitty time of it in some ways but that's no excuse for being an arse aboard Ship.

    Here are my bollocks. Kick them.

    FWIW you have to understand my era, the context ... as Prog was replaced by the Pol Pot Year Zero of Punk ...

    To be fair, though, most of us listened to both at the same time but gradually our Prog records moved to the back of the cupboard.

    I think Karl would be surprised to find some tracks he likes on my playlist. I'm no longer in the rock and roll Khmer Rouge.

    Let a thousand flowers bloom.

    But yes, I've been an arse. Sorry about that.

    Here are my buttocks. Kick them.

  • Logoff and do something else.

    Seriously, posting here isn't helping you.
  • Sounds like a good idea for all concerned.

    Apologies folks.

  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    I was a wazzock.
    In other news, the sun rose in the east this morning.
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    Eutychus wrote: »
    Yes, but to come and shit all over a thread devoting to the thing to gripe about how you don't like it is less so.
    You bin drinkin'?
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    cleverER
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    Alright, alright ... guilty as charged. I was a wazzock.

    Part of me thinks that if someone is going to parade around with a T-shirt saying, 'I'm so stupid I take 1970s Prog Rock lyrics seriously ...' then they are asking for everything they get ...

    But then, honesty compels to acknowledge that I was an arsehole on Karl's thread.

    I'm still happy to provide my adolescent dates and play-lists you can all adhere to mind ...

    But I'll get me coat.

    I am having a pretty shitty time of it in some ways but that's no excuse for being an arse aboard Ship.

    Here are my bollocks. Kick them.

    FWIW you have to understand my era, the context ... as Prog was replaced by the Pol Pot Year Zero of Punk ...

    To be fair, though, most of us listened to both at the same time but gradually our Prog records moved to the back of the cupboard.

    I think Karl would be surprised to find some tracks he likes on my playlist. I'm no longer in the rock and roll Khmer Rouge.

    Let a thousand flowers bloom.

    But yes, I've been an arse. Sorry about that.

    Here are my buttocks. Kick them.
    Just a step said the sad man, take a look down at the mad man.
  • Simon ToadSimon Toad Shipmate
    edited March 2018
    I am a snob, no doubt about it, and I don't even have the correct taste for it. I'm also an idiot, and I like saying that interminably. God, I'm sure there was a point to that....

    Oh yes. I figure that if I'm bad enough, I'll be able to criticise everyone on the planet and still be punching up.
  • Fair do's, mind.

    I didn't mention all my musical interests.

    I could bang on about how my CD and vinyl collection covers everything from Bach to Bowie, the B52s to Baroque ... avant-garde, classical, jazz, blues, World, folk, punk, rock, Monteverdi, Gregorian chant, Russian vespers, Gospel, reggae, ska ... and all stations in between.

    Anything apart from heavy metal and Prog.

    So yes, I could be even more of an insufferable snob. The damage is done though and I've been a twat.

    I had no right to shit all over Karl's Jethro Tull thread.

    I regret doing so. I apologise. I wish I could delete my comments.

    I don't know how to make amends other than by buggering off.


  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    Ceasing to mention the whole episode would be good at this point.
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    I mean, fuck me sideways, but that deserved a hell call?
  • What? The OP? Yes, it was a fair call I think.
  • Shut the fuck up, GG. You keep trotting out your musical opinions as if they are God's own Gospel. "All right-thinking people moved prog to the back of their cabinet." Shut the fuck up. Just put a sock in it. Fuck off. Shut up.
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    mousethief wrote: »
    Shut the fuck up, GG. You keep trotting out your musical opinions as if they are God's own Gospel. "All right-thinking people moved prog to the back of their cabinet." Shut the fuck up. Just put a sock in it. Fuck off. Shut up.

    Yes.

  • When you get to heaven................................................God might be playing Prog Rock (yippee) but then he might just play C&W (yuck)
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    I got the remix of Metallica's Master of Puppets for my birthday. Guess how much I care about what anyone else thinks of it....
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    WildHaggis wrote: »
    When you get to heaven................................................God might be playing Prog Rock (yippee) but then he might just play C&W (yuck)

    Surely he will redeem "Losing my religion" by putting it in a major key (warning: may cause illness, seizures, or death for musicians. Plenty more where that came from...)
  • balaambalaam Shipmate
    You should care, I'm planning a theft. ;)
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    edited April 2018
    What? The OP? Yes, it was a fair call I think.
    What the fucking fuck are you being so fuckingwell reasonable about? Fucking conciliatory? Fucking amenable? Fucking fair minded and then some? Fucker.
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    What's the drink today, Martin? You tiresome gobshite.
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    WildHaggis wrote: »
    When you get to heaven................................................God might be playing Prog Rock (yippee) but then he might just play C&W (yuck)

    Maybe the only difference between heaven and hell are the personalized playlists.
  • I might even pay to hear hip-hop performed on concert harps.
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    mousethief wrote: »
    I might even pay to hear hip-hop performed on concert harps.

    There you go. Send your payment to the usual address.
  • Concert harps. Two. No bass, no drums.
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    Goalposts. Moved.
  • WTF?!
    I still think Prog is bollocks for the most part but the OP was a fair call. I can think it's bollocks but that doesn't mean I need to kick it.

    Also, I like Karl Liberal-Backslider and was sorry I'd annoyed him.

    You got a problem with that, Martin?
  • Eutychus wrote: »
    Goalposts. Moved.
    If you will scroll up, you will see quite plainly I said "concert harps." Reading for content. You should try it.

  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    I think I should get points for effort.
  • 2 points for effort. Less misplaced snark in the future, please.
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    Whose irony meter is broken now?
  • Let it go for fuck's sake.
  • I don't remember those lyrics.
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    They're right here.
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    @RooK you disappoint me. I was sure you were going to link to this version.
  • Well played, sir. Well played.
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    RooK wrote: »
    What's the drink today, Martin? You tiresome gobshite.
    Tea. And please. No public displays of affection.
  • Doc Tor wrote: »
    Well played, sir. Well played.
    Seconded.
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    edited April 2018
    I'm glad this is still here, so I can deal with the following appraisal of our church's power-point-free, songbook-laden approach to Sunday worship:
    I don't mean the following to sound patronising or flippant, but
    Don't you fancy yourself as some kind of a wordsmith? Because how you can write something like that without realising you are about to achieve the exact opposite of your stated intent and not realise it is totally beyond me. You've obviously learned nothing from this thread.
    I see something similar at some of the music / poetry open-mics I run when someone who has been excluded for whatever reason all their lives reads or performs something that goes down well and attracts admiration and applause - even though it might not be the best thing we've ever heard in our lives. They've taken part and hit a spot.
    You're so right. What we are trying so idiosyncratically to do as a gathered representation of the body of Christ is nothing more than giving misfits an opportunity to be admired and applauded.

    Your discernment has me lost for words. I see now that our efforts to nurture participatory worship are a complete waste of time, being ecclesiologically, theologically, and pastorally ill-thought-out and shallow. It would be much better simply to close down and shift over to all of us going to open-mic night at the local bar.

    Always provided we do not do Jethro Tull covers, of course.

    [added missing -free at the beginning there]
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