HagenTheDwarf -- 3 posts, 100% obnoxious

Congratulations, I doubt this is a record, but it's still an impressive showing. I logged on to the Ship for the first time in ages. A little notification alerted me to your comments on my post. I have read, marked, and inwardly digested your unsolicited and ill-informed advice about my personal and professional life (clearly given from the point of view of one who is no doubt as to his superiority). And then, since I had no idea who the hell you were, I looked at your other posts, and discovered that you chose to introduce yourself by explaining why you're a ConEvo who arrogantly dismisses all other forms of Christianity (quelle surprise). Assuming you have chosen to put your best foot forward, I am quite certain I don't want to see your bad side.

Since you claim to have been a lurker since 1999, I'm sure you know how hell works.

Other than that, I can only refer you to Joschka Fischer's famous comment to the Vice-President of the Bundestag in 1984, followed swiftly by Private Eye's response in the case of Arkell v. Pressdram.
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  • Oh my. I’ve not been around long enough to know whether or not this is a record, but it’s certainly quite quick.
  • @Columba_in_a_Currach, on which thread(s) are these posts to be found?
  • @Columba_in_a_Currach, on which thread(s) are these posts to be found?

    "CV of professional failures" in All Saints.
  • And also the "Welcome Aboard" threat, also in All Saints. Both posts are, at best, Purgatorial and at worst Hellish.
  • PigwidgeonPigwidgeon Shipmate
    edited September 2019
    Rossweisse knows more than I do about Wagner's "Ring of the Nibelungen" (and she was the first to welcome Hagen to the Ship). In the fourth and final opera of The Ring (Götterdämmerung) Hagen appears -- he is probably the nastiest character in the whole cycle (and he does have a lot of competition!). His evil is what ultimately leads to the Twilight of the Gods. (Happily, the Rhinemaidens drown him.) He's nasty just for the sake of being nasty, as he was raised by his father to be full of hate (his father, Alberich, raped his never-named mother.) Most of the characters in the Cycle have some good points and some bad points -- Hagen is pure evil.

    I'm not saying there's a connection here, but I find it odd that "Hagen the Dwarf" would have chosen this Ship name -- a character quite close to a troll. (I'm also assuming "Hagen the Dwarf" may be based on the Norse legend, rather than Wagner's "Ring," but it's still the same character.)
  • Thanks, peeps.

    I've glanced at the posts (two were tl;dr), but it does look as though this is yet another of those ungracious I'm Right, And You're All Hell-Bound Hereticks types.

    They hop aboard from time to time, but soon fall overboard, or get planked. Well, mostly...

    And I can see why @Columba_in_a_Currach is upset...
  • The tone in the CV thread was condescending at best and malicious at worst. Roast in hell, Hagen.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited September 2019
    Popcorn, anyone? Peanuts? Sossidge onna stick?
    :wink:
  • Caissa wrote: »
    The tone in the CV thread was condescending at best and malicious at worst. Roast in hell, Hagen.

    That was my impression. I had a moment where I thought I might be over-reacting, but I'm glad others had the same impression.

    Besides, I have so few opportunities to use my Joschka Fischer material.
  • Can you provide a convenient (and legal!) link to that material?
  • Caissa wrote: »
    The tone in the CV thread was condescending at best and malicious at worst. Roast in hell, Hagen.

    That was my impression. I had a moment where I thought I might be over-reacting, but I'm glad others had the same impression.

    Besides, I have so few opportunities to use my Joschka Fischer material.

    I don’t think you’re over-reacting. At the very least, that thread isn’t for unsolicited life advice from an anonymous internet person. Especially not advice delivered in such a tone and manner.

    Bishops Finger, I’ll take a sossidge please :blush:

  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited September 2019
    Nice 'ot mustard wivvit, Sir? This is Hell, after all... :grimace:

    I wonder what Roast Dwarf onna Stick would taste like?

    @HagenTheDwarf , please to step forward...
  • I wonder what Roast Dwarf onna Stick would taste like?

    Not to toot my own horn but in the probably-never-to-be-published spoof on the Hobbit that I have on my hard drive, the dwarves wonder out loud if the "mutton" they pinch from the trolls mightn't be roast dwarf. Gandalf assures them that Dwarf has a more gamey taste. Many awkward moments ensue.
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    I wish I could withdraw my welcome to him. He does sound ready to stab Siegfried in the back, assuming that Siegfried is not a con-evo. His response to @Columba_in_a_Currach was horrible and inexcusable.

  • [tangent] Didn't we have a Siegfried on the old Ship? He doesn't seem to be on the new one. I hope he wasn't stabbed in the back. [/tangent]
    :frowning:

  • Can you provide a convenient (and legal!) link to that material?

    In 1984, in the West German Bundestag (parliament), Joschka Fischer (then a young Green politician) addressed the President of the chamber (Richard Stücklen, a much older member of a conservative party, and a former Nazi) with the following:
    Mit Verlaub, Herr Präsident, Sie sind ein Arschloch.

    It's hard to convey precisely the combination of courtly formality and aggressive vulgarity conveyed in those words, but it basically means "With all due respect, Mr. President, you are asshole, sir."

    For those Shipmates who are not familiar with Private Eye, the Arkell v. Pressdram reference (which has now entered British popular culture) is to the fact that, in one of the many times Private Eye was threatened with a libel suit, they received a letter from the prospective plaintiff's lawyer notifying them that "[the client's] attitude to damages will be governed by the nature of your reply." Their famous response was "We note that Mr Arkell's attitude to damages will be governed by the nature of our reply and would therefore be grateful if you would inform us what his attitude to damages would be, were he to learn that the nature of our reply is as follows: fuck off."

    Since then "the reply in the Arkell v. Pressdram case" is a somewhat arch way of saying "fuck off."

  • jedijudyjedijudy Heaven Host, 8th Day Host
    Rossweisse wrote: »
    I wish I could withdraw my welcome to him.
    Rossweisse, you were welcoming and correct in your response to HtD's appearance in All Saints. I hope you won't paint yourself with HtD's brush. HtD would do well to emulate you!! <3
  • It's sad when people of retirement age haven't begun to work on humility. I have 20 more years and G*d knows I'm not sure it'll be enough. C_in_a_C, commiserations; I think your take on his (?) post was correct.
  • The Dwarf claims to have been lurking for 20 years. Perhaps he's decided it's now time to set us all straight?
  • Finding myself perceiving this poster with suspicions.
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    jedijudy wrote: »
    Rossweisse, you were welcoming and correct in your response to HtD's appearance in All Saints. I hope you won't paint yourself with HtD's brush. HtD would do well to emulate you!! <3
    The Valkyries and Hagen were definitely on different sides. So it remains.


  • Rossweisse wrote: »
    jedijudy wrote: »
    Rossweisse, you were welcoming and correct in your response to HtD's appearance in All Saints. I hope you won't paint yourself with HtD's brush. HtD would do well to emulate you!! <3
    The Valkyries and Hagen were definitely on different sides. So it remains.
    I said he led to the Twilight of the Gods -- but he was truly horrid to your sister, which led to her death as well as her beloved Siegfried's. :cry:
    Indeed, a very odd choice for a Ship name.

  • It's sad when people of retirement age haven't begun to work on humility. I have 20 more years and G*d knows I'm not sure it'll be enough. C_in_a_C, commiserations; I think your take on his (?) post was correct.

    I used to think humility was for other people... When I finally got the message, it was getting late to unload the reputation of being an opinionated pr*ck, and I had done some damage along the way. The trouble with Paul's big event on the road to Damascus was that it probably only worked for the people who saw it happen. Not defending anyone, mind you.
  • Pigwidgeon wrote: »
    Indeed, a very odd choice for a Ship name.

    As someone whose Ship-namesake is primarily characterised by the desire to utterly destroy the planet Earth, I think it’s possible to read too much into such things.
  • Marvin--

    From cartoons back in the '60s or so, IIRC?
  • In opera the part of Hagen requires a voice capable of sounding grating, shouting and off-key: just saying.
  • Finding myself perceiving this poster with suspicions.

    Me too. Have we here a wind-up merchant?
    :grimace:

  • I suspect that both Carrot Ironfoundersson and his author Terry Pratchett would not be supportive of his supposed cousin. I suspect Angua might get involved.
  • The Discworld connection explains my reference to the possibility of C M O T Dibbler providing refreshments*, whilst we await the arrival of The Dwarfish (Dwarvish?) One...

    (*Sossidge inna Bun - Rat onna Stick...).

    But by all means invoke Angua, as long as she's in a good mood... :fearful:
  • @Columba_in_a_Currach - bliss. The German seems most courtly to me; By your leave.
  • I did spot the Dibbler reference - but I hadn't read Hagen's claim at that point.
  • Pigwidgeon wrote: »
    Indeed, a very odd choice for a Ship name.

    As someone whose Ship-namesake is primarily characterised by the desire to utterly destroy the planet Earth, I think it’s possible to read too much into such things.

    Sometimes a quick decision can haunt you for decades....
  • Haha patdys, I remember your old name.
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    Pigwidgeon wrote: »
    I said he led to the Twilight of the Gods -- but he was truly horrid to your sister, which led to her death as well as her beloved Siegfried's. :cry:
    Indeed, a very odd choice for a Ship name.
    Meine Schwester hat dort definitiv viel verloren. Die Welt auch. Verdammter Hagen! (My sister definitely lost big there. So did the world. Damned Hagen!)



  • Rossweisse wrote: »
    Meine Schwester hat dort definitiv viel verloren. Die Welt auch. Verdammter Hagen! (My sister definitely lost big there. So did the world. Damned Hagen!)

    Wunderbar! :smile:

    (wonderful)
  • Das ist nicht gut.
  • Caissa wrote: »
    Das ist nicht gut.

    Oder zehr schlecht?

    AFF
  • HagenTheDwarfHagenTheDwarf Shipmate Posts: 11
    Congratulations, I doubt this is a record, but it's still an impressive showing. I logged on to the Ship for the first time in ages. A little notification alerted me to your comments on my post. I have read, marked, and inwardly digested your unsolicited and ill-informed advice about my personal and professional life (clearly given from the point of view of one who is no doubt as to his superiority). And then, since I had no idea who the hell you were, I looked at your other posts, and discovered that you chose to introduce yourself by explaining why you're a ConEvo who arrogantly dismisses all other forms of Christianity (quelle surprise). Assuming you have chosen to put your best foot forward, I am quite certain I don't want to see your bad side.

    Since you claim to have been a lurker since 1999, I'm sure you know how hell works.

    Other than that, I can only refer you to Joschka Fischer's famous comment to the Vice-President of the Bundestag in 1984, followed swiftly by Private Eye's response in the case of Arkell v. Pressdram.

    Thank you for your kind response, friend. My apologies. I am sure your perspicuous observations are most merited.

    I greatly admire the honesty and candour of the original post. It is such an important topic. The noted art critic, Brian Sewell, said that he considered his epitaph should be “A Failure”. I know how he felt for certainly that is my opinion of my life’s work. I would ask how to proceed with a discussion of this topic but now is perhaps not the time.
  • *sigh*

    There's a very good reason why Ross and Pigwidgeon provided translations underneath. That reason is because it's been the rules since Methuselah was young. Do keep up.

    DT
    HH
  • lilbuddhalilbuddha Shipmate
    edited September 2019
    Congratulations, I doubt this is a record, but it's still an impressive showing. I logged on to the Ship for the first time in ages. A little notification alerted me to your comments on my post. I have read, marked, and inwardly digested your unsolicited and ill-informed advice about my personal and professional life (clearly given from the point of view of one who is no doubt as to his superiority). And then, since I had no idea who the hell you were, I looked at your other posts, and discovered that you chose to introduce yourself by explaining why you're a ConEvo who arrogantly dismisses all other forms of Christianity (quelle surprise). Assuming you have chosen to put your best foot forward, I am quite certain I don't want to see your bad side.

    Since you claim to have been a lurker since 1999, I'm sure you know how hell works.

    Other than that, I can only refer you to Joschka Fischer's famous comment to the Vice-President of the Bundestag in 1984, followed swiftly by Private Eye's response in the case of Arkell v. Pressdram.

    Thank you for your kind response, friend. My apologies. I am sure your perspicuous observations are most merited.

    I greatly admire the honesty and candour of the original post. It is such an important topic. The noted art critic, Brian Sewell, said that he considered his epitaph should be “A Failure”. I know how he felt for certainly that is my opinion of my life’s work. I would ask how to proceed with a discussion of this topic but now is perhaps not the time.
    OK, so no you don't, by any reasonable measure, think your life's work a failure.
    What you did is called a humble brag.
    On top of the humble brag, you negatively phrase some of your advice.
    That is how your words come across. If that is not what you intended, then I hope you were not a chief executive in anything involving communications. Because then you would truly be a failure.
    It is possible that you have poor communication and inter-personal skills and meant to be helpful, which is why I didn't join in the hell call earlier.
  • Uriah Heep is in the building.
  • Caissa wrote: »
    Das ist nicht gut.

    Oder zehr schlecht?

    AFF

    *sehr nicht zehr.

    ("or very bad")
  • "Thank you for your kind response, friend. My apologies. I am sure your perspicuous observations are most merited."

    Is that an apology? Or a patronising dismissal?
  • "Thank you for your kind response, friend. My apologies. I am sure your perspicuous observations are most merited."

    Is that an apology? Or a patronising dismissal?

    It sounds a bit passive-aggressive to me (and the highlighted word is correctly spelled 'perspicacious')...
    :wink:

  • Thank you for picking that up BF. Maybe Hagen had drunk too much coveffe?
  • Oh for God's sake. Say it like it is. The man is a pratt who seeks to "advise" the rest of us about his success (interesting that its all seen in terms of money and things, eh?) while simultaneously belittling someone else.

    Be honest, if we met him at a drinks party we'd pour red wine over him.
  • Nah, a waste of wine.
  • Drop an empty bottle on his foot?
    :wink:

    Ahem. ITTWACW.
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    Oh for God's sake. Say it like it is. The man is a pratt who seeks to "advise" the rest of us about his success (interesting that its all seen in terms of money and things, eh?) while simultaneously belittling someone else.

    Be honest, if we met him at a drinks party we'd pour red wine over him.

    Only if it was very bad wine - you don't waste the good stuff.

    Or maybe you could use one of the soft drinks supplied for the dedicated drivers. Sticky and nasty.
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