Russ the Bigot

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  • Victim culture in Purgatory.

    I don't advise anyone pollute their minds reading Russ' posts there though - he's completely dropped the mask.
  • It's quite simple for anyone who isn't a white supremacist, @Russ

    Nobody has an issue with closing a park at night. Most would accept that there are reasons to impose curfews, to restrict access by age and to do things that affect one group but not another.

    What isn't right is when those activities, directly it indirectly, disadvantage people from a particular ethnicity.

    I mean, come on now. This is schoolboy stuff not serious debate.
  • RussRuss Shipmate
    mr cheesy wrote: »
    It's quite simple for anyone who isn't a white supremacist, @Russ

    Nobody has an issue with closing a park at night. Most would accept that there are reasons to impose curfews, to restrict access by age and to do things that affect one group but not another.

    What isn't right is when those activities, directly it indirectly, disadvantage people from a particular ethnicity.

    That's the clearest statement of principle I can recall from you, Mr Cheesy.

    What you're saying is that race is different. That an ethnic group being disadvantaged by some action is morally different from some other sort of group being similarly disadvantaged.

    So, like any thinking person, I ask "why ?" What's different about race ?

    And when you've no good answer, I'm left suspecting that this is just how people think in your subculture. That this is what is socially accepted in the circles in which you move.

    But making exceptions to unchanging universal moral rules on the basis of the stories that your subculture tells is the same phenomenon that leads to gas chambers and slavery - the historic wrongs that you rightly recoil from and say "never again" to.

    We prevent future atrocity by subordinating cultural narrative to moral principle, not vice versa.

    I'm not a supremacist of any colour. Belief in the innate superiority of one's own race seems to me a form of wishful thinking rather than an evidence-based belief that deserves to he taken seriously.

    But demonising such a group - making them the people it's OK to hate - is the wrong response. Try holding them to the same exceptionless moral standards that you hold yourself.

  • Oh shut up you fucking flapping mouth.

    People exist who have a shitty life. Many of them have a shitty life directly related to the fact that they have black skin and because white people like you feel threatened by them.

    That's why anti-discrimination rules exist. To stop the abused being more abused from the likes of you.

  • Russ wrote: »
    ...

    What you're saying is that race is different. That an ethnic group being disadvantaged by some action is morally different from some other sort of group being similarly disadvantaged.

    So, like any thinking person, I ask "why ?" What's different about race ?

    And when you've no good answer, I'm left suspecting that this is just how people think in your subculture. That this is what is socially accepted in the circles in which you move. ...

    There is a good answer. It's the same answer to the question of Why? your city does not have a Zebra Control and Management Program. Zebras are not a problem in your community. Neither is systemic discrimination against people with red hair, beards, or extreme height. You just don't want to accept the answer. Yes, Russ, race is different - along with sex, religion, disability, gender and sexuality - and only someone deliberately oblivious to human history would think otherwise, let alone embarrass themselves in public arguing about it.

    No thinking person would ask, "Why do you care so much about dog bites and not zebra bites? It's socially acceptable in your circles to hate dogs and love zebras." Your version of "thinking" is that it's "immoral" to have a rule banning pit bulls unless there is also a rule banning zebras. The fact that packs of roaming zebras are no danger to your community is irrelevant to you. As Dr. McCoy would put it, "It's thinking, Jim, just not as we know it."

    I'm left suspecting that you don't think racism is a problem because you're white. You don't think sexism is a problem because you're male. And so forth.




  • Since Russ has now breached Godwin's law, is there any chance he can just fuck right off?
  • DafydDafyd Shipmate
    Since Russ has now breached Godwin's law
    He's obeyed Godwin's Law; he's fallen foul of Godwin's Corollary.

  • RussRuss Shipmate
    No thinking person would ask, "Why do you care so much about dog bites and not zebra bites? It's socially acceptable in your circles to hate dogs and love zebras." Your version of "thinking" is that it's "immoral" to have a rule banning pit bulls unless there is also a rule banning zebras. The fact that packs of roaming zebras are no danger to your community is irrelevant to you.

    The fact that zebras are no danger to the inhabitants of Caprica City would indeed be an explanation as to why the local statutes there make no mention of zebras but include rules about keeping dogs which are seen as a problem.

    But that local experience does not add to universal and timeless morality an 11th commandment about keeping dogs.

    The extent to which local law and custom reflects local problems and experiences is the extent to which it does not reflect universal right and wrong.

    Seems like you want it both ways. In the parts of the world where herds of zebras are moving in and crowding out the local animals and thus seen by the affected local people as a problem, you want to condemn any local laws that single out zebras as morally wrong. As against the universal rights of zebras.

    And then treat your own laws, that single out dogs because dogs are seen as a problem, as having moral force.

    Just another double standard...
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    Even in metaphor, you're a jackass.
  • Golden Key wrote: »
    Dafyd wrote: »
    Ah - yes. Earth round or flat? Scientific community say it's round; flat earthers say it's flat. People of good will ought to be able to meet in the middle somewhere.

    New York City? Grab some fresh "everything" bagels and schmear? Or maybe some bialys (/bialies?), since they're flatish bagelish things. Roundish and flatish!
    ;)

    According to hollow earthers, the earth is toroidal.

    Maybe the bagel analogy carries more merit than we thought.

    AFF
  • Hmm. Doughnuts....
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    edited March 2019
    Russ wrote: »
    I suspect that atheists think goodness is impersonal.

    Oh, for goodness sake! (See what I did there?)

    Your only reason to be aboard the Ship is to be wind up merchant @Russ.

    Do you enjoy it? Attention seeking?

    I rose to the bait -more fool me. 🙄🙄
  • The fact he came here to restart this thread seemed to be an attention seeking move.
  • A Feminine ForceA Feminine Force Shipmate
    edited March 2019
    Doughnuts!

    Doughnuts for everyone!

    Who wants doughnuts? Or donuts?

    AFF
  • I love donuts! But make sure there's some DARK donuts, you know there's nothing tastier than a chocolate BROWN donut! Glazed donuts are too...white! Too bland. I like the excitement of those mysterious donuts, all devil's food....
  • ...devil's (food) advocate!
  • The5thMary wrote: »
    ...devil's (food) advocate!

    Nicely done.
  • Thanks. I try.
  • Curiosity killedCuriosity killed Shipmate
    edited June 2019
    @Russ, I cannot see any reason why you would include lyrics to Rule Britannia on a Purgatory thread discussing suitable dates to celebrate American emancipation if you are not trolling, so I've brought it here:
    Russ wrote: »
    The big question here is whether this proposed holiday will help to heal division or widen it.

    Is this to become a black people's day on which it is considered inappropriate to praise any white person who worked to end slavery ?

    Or a celebration of re-union, of what the US has achieved and can achieve when all work together, of putting divisions behind ?

    Peace or Victory ?

    Personally, I think what's needed is a new song that everyone comes together to sing on this day. Something along the lines of "Americans never never never more shall be slaves"...

    If it wasn't you and you hadn't got so much previous form I'd have asked the question. But as it's you and you have been caught trolling before, Hell it is.
  • tclunetclune Shipmate
    @Russ, I cannot see any reason why you would include lyrics to Rule Britannia on a Purgatory thread discussing suitable dates to celebrate American emancipation if you are not trolling, so I've brought it here:
    Russ wrote: »
    The big question here is whether this proposed holiday will help to heal division or widen it.

    Is this to become a black people's day on which it is considered inappropriate to praise any white person who worked to end slavery ?

    Or a celebration of re-union, of what the US has achieved and can achieve when all work together, of putting divisions behind ?

    Peace or Victory ?

    Personally, I think what's needed is a new song that everyone comes together to sing on this day. Something along the lines of "Americans never never never more shall be slaves"...

    If it wasn't you and you hadn't got so much previous form I'd have asked the question. But as it's you and you have been caught trolling before, Hell it is.

    Honestly, it is beyond me how any of Russ' rather anodyne post warrants a Hell call. This looks more like an example of dog piling than of honest outrage at anything even mildly offensive.
  • One person posting hardly constitutes dogpiling, by any reasonable definition of the term.
  • FYI Rule Britannia, sung at the Last Night of the Proms with much waving of Union Jacks, has the oft repeated chorus:
    Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!
    Britons never, never, never shall be slaves. link
    It is a
    British national air ... first performed ... on 1 August 1740, to commemorate the accession of George II ... source
  • lilbuddhalilbuddha Shipmate
    tclune wrote: »
    @Russ, I cannot see any reason why you would include lyrics to Rule Britannia on a Purgatory thread discussing suitable dates to celebrate American emancipation if you are not trolling, so I've brought it here:
    Russ wrote: »
    The big question here is whether this proposed holiday will help to heal division or widen it.

    Is this to become a black people's day on which it is considered inappropriate to praise any white person who worked to end slavery ?

    Or a celebration of re-union, of what the US has achieved and can achieve when all work together, of putting divisions behind ?

    Peace or Victory ?

    Personally, I think what's needed is a new song that everyone comes together to sing on this day. Something along the lines of "Americans never never never more shall be slaves"...

    If it wasn't you and you hadn't got so much previous form I'd have asked the question. But as it's you and you have been caught trolling before, Hell it is.

    Honestly, it is beyond me how any of Russ' rather anodyne post warrants a Hell call. This looks more like an example of dog piling than of honest outrage at anything even mildly offensive.
    Russ has a history of posing offensive ideas under the cover of anodyne.
    Actually, I thought this line more intended for offence:
    Is this to become a black people's day on which it is considered inappropriate to praise any white person who worked to end slavery ?
  • tclunetclune Shipmate
    FYI Rule Britannia, sung at the Last Night of the Proms with much waving of Union Jacks, has the oft repeated chorus:
    Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!
    Britons never, never, never shall be slaves. link
    It is a
    British national air ... first performed ... on 1 August 1740, to commemorate the accession of George II ... source

    I was aware of the first, not aware of the second, but I still am missing where the horror lies.
  • tclunetclune Shipmate
    mousethief wrote: »
    One person posting hardly constitutes dogpiling, by any reasonable definition of the term.

    Any Russ post seems guaranteed to be buried under an avalanche of responses by the Ships own little outrage factory. Looking at a single odd Hell call hardly captures the full flavor of the dynamic of the Ship in this matter. I know it is a fool's errand to bother pointing that out and asking for people to consider their part in this dynamic, but I am just the fool for the task I guess.
  • lilbuddhalilbuddha Shipmate
    tclune wrote: »
    mousethief wrote: »
    One person posting hardly constitutes dogpiling, by any reasonable definition of the term.

    Any Russ post seems guaranteed to be buried under an avalanche of responses by the Ships own little outrage factory.
    Because he has earned it. Not expecting a troll post is a genuine disservice to him after all the work he has put into being one.
  • "Outrage factory" because nobody has any right to actually be offended or outraged, and deserve to be mocked for saying they are. Even though THAT'S WHAT HELL IS FOR. Moron.
  • LeRocLeRoc Shipmate
    tclune wrote: »
    Any Russ post seems guaranteed to be buried under an avalanche of responses by the Ships own little outrage factory.
    Because he's an arsehole.
  • tclune wrote: »
    mousethief wrote: »
    One person posting hardly constitutes dogpiling, by any reasonable definition of the term.

    Any Russ post seems guaranteed to be buried under an avalanche of responses by the Ships own little outrage factory. Looking at a single odd Hell call hardly captures the full flavor of the dynamic of the Ship in this matter. I know it is a fool's errand to bother pointing that out and asking for people to consider their part in this dynamic, but I am just the fool for the task I guess.

    *imagines with growing horror tclune as counsellor at a women's refuge* "have you considered not making him so angry that he hits you?"
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    LeRoc wrote: »
    tclune wrote: »
    Any Russ post seems guaranteed to be buried under an avalanche of responses by the Ships own little outrage factory.
    Because he's an arsehole.

    He's a tedious arsehole to boot. Very probably our Most Boring Shipmate.
  • In Epiphanies, White Supremacy
    And I'm not all that persistent- I'll probably give up asking before you give up ducking the question.

    But no promises - I'm not immune to the temptation to try to have the last word...

    Can someone really be this lacking in self awareness?
  • If being self aware means needing to change?
  • mousethiefmousethief Shipmate
    edited September 2019
    He has decided that I am not worth responding to at all. And of course he is still trying desperately to define his way out of being racist despite his white superiority complex. "Unless you can come up with a single unifying definition of racist that includes each and every thing that is racist but nothing else, then you can't say that my white superiority complex is racist." Desperation has never smelled so foul.
  • I do not think he is desperate at all. He is deliberately trolling.
  • lilbuddha wrote: »
    I do not think he is desperate at all. He is deliberately trolling.

    I certainly can find no evidence to refute this claim.
  • If Russ is an example of what he considers to be White Supremacy, then it is clear that there is no such thing as White Supremacy.
  • Well, if his goal was to stymie discussion of white supremacy, he succeeded.
  • He is a fucking troll. The shame is that it took a special board for hosts to notice, but the bastard posts like that in Purg and has done for years. Roman idiot was less subtle, but was no more a troll for all that.
  • Absolutely a troll. Why anyone continues to interact with the gormless fucking plank is beyond me. He has demonstrated no understanding of logic or any human decency whatsoever on the instances I have read his posts. I now no longer bother.
  • lilbuddha wrote: »
    He is a fucking troll. The shame is that it took a special board for hosts to notice, but the bastard posts like that in Purg and has done for years. Roman idiot was less subtle, but was no more a troll for all that.

    Well, sealioning is a new idea to me, but it's a definite kind of trolling, and I recall some other instances of it. It's cleverer than your bogstandard troll who uses emotional wind-ups. It's a bit like the idea of the Gish gallop, as used to be used by creationists, an endless torrent of questions, objections, minutiae, which can literally go on for years. Any moderator dealing with this has my sympathy, as at first it sounds almost reasonable, and sucks people in. But boring as hell.
  • It seems to me that Russ is a troll.
  • Another term is Just Asking Questions, shortened to JAQing off, which I think conveys the sense of what is going on.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    lilbuddha wrote: »
    The shame is that it took a special board for hosts to notice ...

    Oh, just fuck right off. If the administration of these boards is so awful that you have to criticize every thing we do or don't do, leave already.
  • Ruth wrote: »
    lilbuddha wrote: »
    The shame is that it took a special board for hosts to notice ...

    Oh, just fuck right off. If the administration of these boards is so awful that you have to criticize every thing we do or don't do, leave already.
    Fuck you right back with a rusty rake.
    I’ve defended you lot at least as much as criticised. You want to hear that you are perfect? Change the comment rules.
    If you think Russ is a misunderstood sweetheart, let’s see your work.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    lilbuddha wrote: »
    I’ve defended you lot at least as much as criticised.
    Ha!
    You want to hear that you are perfect?
    This from someone who when directly asked for a suggestion about what we should do declined to offer one. Fuck off.
    If you think Russ is a misunderstood sweetheart ...
    Oh, please.
  • You do not remember the defence, but it has been there. Never an "Oh the Crew is the Wonderfuls, aren't they?!" but certainly defences against "The Crew are the Horribles!". But whatevs, it wouldn't matter if I only criticised, fucking defend against the statement.
    That Russ has not changed his behaviour and only now gets called for it, says something. You tell me what that is if it is not a miss.
  • lilbuddha wrote: »
    That Russ has not changed his behaviour and only now gets called for it, says something. You tell me what that is if it is not a miss.
    It's a miss by your personal standards. Which we have already discussed ad nauseam.



  • Eutychus wrote: »
    lilbuddha wrote: »
    That Russ has not changed his behaviour and only now gets called for it, says something. You tell me what that is if it is not a miss.
    It's a miss by your personal standards. Which we have already discussed ad nauseam.
    Russ’ posting hasn’t changed. You are now calling him on it.
    What am I missing?

  • We don't overhost or plank or ban people we don't like. If we did, there would be several blessed deletions around here.
  • lilbuddha wrote: »
    Eutychus wrote: »
    lilbuddha wrote: »
    That Russ has not changed his behaviour and only now gets called for it, says something. You tell me what that is if it is not a miss.
    It's a miss by your personal standards. Which we have already discussed ad nauseam.
    Russ’ posting hasn’t changed. You are now calling him on it.
    What am I missing?

    Not being a twerp?
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