Fucking holidays

BlahblahBlahblah Suspended
A man told me the other day (without any sign of joking) that he liked "fucking holidays". It seems that this is a thing.

Apparently large and not very attractive men in my area book themselves into a flight to Bangkok and then spend a month or two having as many sexual partners as they can. I've heard about it several times now from unconnected people.

I actually very nearly threw up when he told me this.

I'm obviously a total lightweight but it hadn't even crossed my mind that anyone who isn't a paedophile might think that this was a sensible thing to do.

I think the worst part was not just that someone might do this but that they then go on to bring it up in conversation immediately after talking about his elderly mother's ailments.

Each to their own, I suppose, but some behaviours are fucking sick.
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  • Why is it sick?
  • Well, under the circumstances @Blahblah mentions, it may well be that those sexual encounters in Thailand are exploitative, at the very least.

    Of course, large-and-not-very-attractive-men often have sexual appetites, and needs, but there's no need to talk (brag?) about them in casual conversation!
    :grimace:
  • Golly - that is not what I thought this thread was going to be about. I assumed it was an opportunity to complain about Christmas aggravations.
  • So did I - 'Happy Holidays', and all that...
  • HelenEva wrote: »
    Golly - that is not what I thought this thread was going to be about. I assumed it was an opportunity to complain about Christmas aggravations.
    Same here, especially given the Pond difference on the word "holidays."

  • First, saying 'large and not very attractive men' illustrates part of why this might happen and ignores that average and attractive men go to Thailand for the very same thing.
    I've marginally more sympathy for those who see this as a recourse do to societal shaming.
    That said, what are you complaining about, @Blahblah? Multiple partners? Transactional sex? Exploitive sex?
    The latter is what I think of when I hear about sex tourism. Even in the legal age instances, there can be loads of exploitation and that is fucked up.
  • I know transactional sex exists. I don't like it, but I can live with it providing there are safeguards.

    And I'm not stupid, I know that almost everything is now a transaction.

    But to casually bring up in conversation that the holidays you enjoy are jetting across the world to a place where you can get "blowjobs for 50p and fucked for £1" to get the most of your modest British salary is one of the most fucked up things I have ever heard.

    I was also recalling earlier someone I met months ago who told me he was about to leave the country with his Thai wife. He told me that he met her whilst on holiday in Thailand "but she wasn't one of the women I had sex with."

    Oh well that's ok then.



  • It's the exploitation aspect of it that bugs me, whether the men concerned are attractive, or not.
  • It's the exploitation aspect of it that bugs me, whether the men concerned are attractive, or not.

    It disturbs me that there is apparently a constituency of men for whom this is considered a viable and economic way to cool their heels.

    It's so messed up that I have trouble processing it.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    It's the exploitation aspect of it that bugs me, whether the men concerned are attractive, or not.
    Absolutely, BF, and imho the bragging makes it worse.

    I'm with Nick Tamen and HelenEva - I thought this was going to be a seasonally festive rant! :mrgreen:
  • Blahblah wrote: »
    I know transactional sex exists. I don't like it, but I can live with it providing there are safeguards.
    I'm not a massive fan of transactional sex. The pros and cons are a longer discussion.
    Blahblah wrote: »
    And I'm not stupid, I know that almost everything is now a transaction.
    Curious as to what you mean here.
    Blahblah wrote: »
    But to casually bring up in conversation that the holidays you enjoy are jetting across the world to a place where you can get "blowjobs for 50p and fucked for £1" to get the most of your modest British salary is one of the most fucked up things I have ever heard.
    Why? The cost of living in Thailand is significantly cheaper. Why is bargain hunting the problem?
    Blahblah wrote: »
    I was also recalling earlier someone I met months ago who told me he was about to leave the country with his Thai wife. He told me that he met her whilst on holiday in Thailand "but she wasn't one of the women I had sex with."

    Oh well that's ok then.
    Obviously this is hypocritical, but it happens at home as well.

    Again, exploitation is bad. But you have not exactly mentioned exploitation.

  • BlahblahBlahblah Suspended
    edited November 2019
    Piglet wrote: »
    It's the exploitation aspect of it that bugs me, whether the men concerned are attractive, or not.
    Absolutely, BF, and imho the bragging makes it worse.

    I'm with Nick Tamen and HelenEva - I thought this was going to be a seasonally festive rant! :mrgreen:

    I'm not sure it was even bragging. It was purely transactional.

    First we were talking about his mother, then I started talking about holidays. Then he started talking about going to Thailand.

    I didn't invite the conversation but I assume my sudden look of disgust encouraged him to come out with further details.

    I can only assume that as a similar looking fat, middle aged bloke, he thought I would be interested or at very least appreciative of his exploits.
  • BlahblahBlahblah Suspended
    edited November 2019
    I'm sorry @lilbuddha but if you don't get what is nauseating about saying that you like going on holiday to consume other people for less than a price of a cup of coffee, then I can't explain it to you.
  • So you don;t have a problem with transactional sex, as long as the price is above a certain threshold?
  • How about marriage as transactional?
  • How about marriage as transactional?

    I've long thought that there are a good number of marriages that are basically prostitution with an exclusivity clause.
  • So you don;t have a problem with transactional sex, as long as the price is above a certain threshold?

    I think it there is a real problem when there is an enormous difference in relative purchasing power. And actual power.
  • How about marriage as transactional?

    I've long thought that there are a good number of marriages that are basically prostitution with an exclusivity clause.

    Lovely. You might try that line with my wife.

    I'll stand back as she punishes your lights out.
  • Blahblah wrote: »
    How about marriage as transactional?

    I've long thought that there are a good number of marriages that are basically prostitution with an exclusivity clause.

    Lovely. You might try that line with my wife.

    I'll stand back as she punishes your lights out.

    Unless you're a rich but otherwise unattractive older man who is married to a very attractive younger woman, I doubt I was talking about you.
  • I remember saying that to my mum once, when she accused me of over-activity in the bedroom dept, quoth I, well marriage is a form of prostitution, and to my amazement, she agreed.
  • Blahblah wrote: »
    How about marriage as transactional?

    I've long thought that there are a good number of marriages that are basically prostitution with an exclusivity clause.

    Lovely. You might try that line with my wife.

    I'll stand back as she punishes your lights out.

    Unless you're a rich but otherwise unattractive older man who is married to a very attractive younger woman, I doubt I was talking about you.

    Oh right, yes sorry. You were talking about those marriages out there in general.

    How silly of me to think that your words were actually to be taken seriously.
  • edited November 2019
    How about marriage as transactional?

    How about sticking the economic transaction idea up your nose. And questioning of its sickness into your ears. It's the sort of stupid and moronic comment which pays no attention to the individual, and everything which makes people worthy of individual consideration.

    So how about fucking someone you're old enough to be parent to, who left their village with promise of work in the city, only to be raped by the people who enticed you to go, offered them drugs, and now they suck 10-20 penises a day, have more or less this number shoved into their vaginas or anuses (costs extra), some of which are not condom protected (costs extra), while giving their toddler opiates so that they're sleeping and quiet. If you're drug desperate enough, your child may be sold for the same things (costs extra).

    You wake up in the afternoon staring into space, swearing by your sorrow and tears that a young girl should have a better chance. Your life expectancy will be a decade or two less than average.
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    Ahh, the seasonal cries of the kink-shaming and the patriarchy-defending. Typical privileged zealots.
  • Blahblah wrote: »
    Oh right, yes sorry. You were talking about those marriages out there in general.

    I'm sure she married him for his personality.

    His legendary popularity with the ladies had nothing to do with his money at all.

    Take a wild guess if he was rich or poor.

    Melania even (pretty much) admitted it.
    How silly of me to think that your words were actually to be taken seriously.

    "Seriously" isn't the same as "universally". Not even close.
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    edited November 2019
    Shhhh... Marv. It's OK. Your providing 4 whole examples of what you mean¹ doesn't really upend your poorly-formed statement, but you also don't need to impress the n00b.

    ¹ I assume from context; I didn't follow the links.
  • Yawn. I see you two trolling, don't you have better things to be doing?
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    Blahblah wrote: »
    Yawn. I see you two trolling, don't you have better things to be doing?

    Your mom is busy.
  • RooK wrote: »
    Blahblah wrote: »
    Yawn. I see you two trolling, don't you have better things to be doing?

    Your mom is busy.

    Hilarious.

    Gee, why not obscure and derail a rant about international sex holidays with childish insults about my mother?

  • RooK wrote: »

    ¹ I assume from context; I didn't follow the links.

    Gee, why not make a statement about links you've not even read on a topic that is a tangent and is being used to support a nonsense statement?

  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    Because expecting people to not have sex on holidays is silly enough as it is. Your prudish standard of how that needs to unfold is boring. This is just me being bored with your fucking stupid thread.
  • RooK wrote: »
    Because expecting people to not have sex on holidays is silly enough as it is. Your prudish standard of how that needs to unfold is boring. This is just me being bored with your fucking stupid thread.

    Fine don't read it. What is your problem, exactly?

    I'm not a prude. But hey, I wouldn't expect someone with an attention span of barely 5 seconds to understand nuance.



  • The OP is vague. It talks about multiple sexual partners, but not prostitution or exploitation. When I was a student, we had multiple sexual partners. Erm, that's about it.
  • The OP is vague. It talks about multiple sexual partners, but not prostitution or exploitation. When I was a student, we had multiple sexual partners. Erm, that's about it.

    I'm very sorry that you lack the ability to read for comprehension.
  • lilbuddhalilbuddha Shipmate
    edited November 2019
    Blahblah wrote: »
    I'm sorry @lilbuddha but if you don't get what is nauseating about saying that you like going on holiday to consume other people for less than a price of a cup of coffee, then I can't explain it to you.
    I'm trying hard to be civil and give you the benefit of the doubt, but you do not make it easy.
    The fucking cost is only a problem if it is exploitive in the place where it is happening. Thailand has a lower cost of living, so EVERYTHING will be cheaper. Unless you have the same problem with buying clothes, curios or anything else on holiday, then you are seeing sex as the problem, not cost. Which makes you a prude and judgemental. Again, I say this as a person who does not care for transactional sex. And as one who understands that exploitation is a huge problem in parts of the sex industry.
    Exploitation is a problem. Cost is not inherently exploitative. Tourism has a more complex calculation in evaluating exploitation and economic support.

  • Gosh, the sarcasm is like hot metal cascading down my dewlaps.
  • That's addressed to Blahblah, not lb.
  • How about marriage as transactional?

    How about sticking the economic transaction idea up your nose. And questioning of its sickness into your ears. It's the sort of stupid and moronic comment which pays no attention to the individual, and everything which makes people worthy of individual consideration.
    Marriage has been explicitly transactional for most of its existence and still is in many parts of the world. It is implicitly transactional in most of the rest of the world and will be until women have equal opportunity.
    So how about fucking someone you're old enough to be parent to, who left their village with promise of work in the city, only to be raped by the people who enticed you to go, offered them drugs, and now they suck 10-20 penises a day, have more or less this number shoved into their vaginas or anuses (costs extra), some of which are not condom protected (costs extra), while giving their toddler opiates so that they're sleeping and quiet. If you're drug desperate enough, your child may be sold for the same things (costs extra).
    If a person is forced, coerced or gets into the sex industry because they have little other recourse, then it is exploitative and bad. I do not think anyone here is arguing otherwise.



  • lilbuddha wrote: »
    Blahblah wrote: »
    I'm sorry @lilbuddha but if you don't get what is nauseating about saying that you like going on holiday to consume other people for less than a price of a cup of coffee, then I can't explain it to you.
    I'm trying hard to be civil and give you the benefit of the doubt, but you do not make it easy.
    The fucking cost is only a problem if it is exploitive in the place where it is happening. Thailand has a lower cost of living, so EVERYTHING will be cheaper. Unless you have the same problem with buying clothes, curios or anything else on holiday, then you are seeing sex as the problem, not cost. Which makes you a prude and judgemental. Again, I say this as a person who does not care for transactional sex. And as one who understands that exploitation is a huge problem in parts of the sex industry.
    Exploitation is a problem. Cost is not inherently exploitative. Tourism has a more complex calculation in evaluating exploitation and economic support.

    Bullshit. Yet another topic you know jackshit about. How about doing yourself a favour and giving your trap a rest?
  • lilbuddha wrote: »
    If a person is forced, coerced or gets into the sex industry because they have little other recourse, then it is exploitative and bad. I do not think anyone here is arguing otherwise.

    I have to read this thread, and yeah, okay. There's lip service (pun intended) to this ideal, but not to the reality. Prostitutes the world over come with labels sewn onto their skin indicating just how forced, coerced or otherwise they are, and all a punter has to do is check the small print before they have their ethical fuck.
  • The OP is vague. It talks about multiple sexual partners, but not prostitution or exploitation. When I was a student, we had multiple sexual partners. Erm, that's about it.

    Friends with benefits or same-time-next-year friends can also enjoy fucking holidays.

  • The OP is vague. It talks about multiple sexual partners, but not prostitution or exploitation. When I was a student, we had multiple sexual partners. Erm, that's about it.

    Friends with benefits or same-time-next-year friends can also enjoy fucking holidays.

    We went to Grimsby once for a student holiday, and by gum, we had to draw the curtains.
  • Blahblah wrote: »
    lilbuddha wrote: »
    Blahblah wrote: »
    I'm sorry @lilbuddha but if you don't get what is nauseating about saying that you like going on holiday to consume other people for less than a price of a cup of coffee, then I can't explain it to you.
    I'm trying hard to be civil and give you the benefit of the doubt, but you do not make it easy.
    The fucking cost is only a problem if it is exploitive in the place where it is happening. Thailand has a lower cost of living, so EVERYTHING will be cheaper. Unless you have the same problem with buying clothes, curios or anything else on holiday, then you are seeing sex as the problem, not cost. Which makes you a prude and judgemental. Again, I say this as a person who does not care for transactional sex. And as one who understands that exploitation is a huge problem in parts of the sex industry.
    Exploitation is a problem. Cost is not inherently exploitative. Tourism has a more complex calculation in evaluating exploitation and economic support.

    Bullshit. Yet another topic you know jackshit about. How about doing yourself a favour and giving your trap a rest?
    Show me where I am wrong, otherwise it is just your prudish bullshit against my position.
    You want to complain about the actual exploitation, I'll be right there with you. Many women and girls enter the sex trade in Thailand because they have little or no opportunity elsewhere. And because what they get paid in sex tourism is many times more than the factory jobs available. So the cost of a sex act is not the problem, the problem is that the wage in more acceptable jobs is so low. The problem is that many people feel they do not have any other choice.

    All this you could have mentioned, but the way you wrote your OP and the way you've responded implies you haven't looked into this beyond your initial outrage.
  • BlahblahBlahblah Suspended
    edited November 2019
    Yabber yabber. Maybe stop for a while and research what life is like for a person who gives 50p blowjobs in Thailand.

    Life would be so much better if you had a clue and stopped imagining that a) your words are true simply because you say so and b) nobody else in the universe can possibly know more about something than you do.

    You are ignorant about the life of poorly paid sex workers in Thailand. Own it.
  • Yet the OP doesn't mention poorly paid sex workers. If that's what you meant, fucking say it.
  • Yet the OP doesn't mention poorly paid sex workers. If that's what you meant, fucking say it.

    Really. So it would make a real difference if these men went from the UK and had unpaid sex with Thai women, would it.

    What, you think they're lining up to make sexy with fat white balding men because they find us irresistibly attractive?
  • Man alive, you need to get out more.
  • Blahblah wrote: »
    Yabber yabber. Maybe stop for a while and research what life is like for a person who gives 50p blowjobs in Thailand.

    Life would be so much better if you had a clue and stopped imagining that a) your words are true simply because you say so and b) nobody else in the universe can possibly know more about something than you do.

    You are ignorant about the life of poorly paid sex workers in Thailand. Own it.

    Dude. I am the only one on this thread that has spoken about the real problems of sexual tourism in Thailand. As in the actual exploitation, because it exists.
    If you were writing anything other than a prudish, ignorant rant, you could have said, "That is what I was talking about" instead of dismissing something that actually could work in favour of your argument.
  • lilbuddha wrote: »
    Blahblah wrote: »
    Yabber yabber. Maybe stop for a while and research what life is like for a person who gives 50p blowjobs in Thailand.

    Life would be so much better if you had a clue and stopped imagining that a) your words are true simply because you say so and b) nobody else in the universe can possibly know more about something than you do.

    You are ignorant about the life of poorly paid sex workers in Thailand. Own it.

    Dude. I am the only one on this thread that has spoken about the real problems of sexual tourism in Thailand. As in the actual exploitation, because it exists.
    If you were writing anything other than a prudish, ignorant rant, you could have said, "That is what I was talking about" instead of dismissing something that actually could work in favour of your argument.

    Haha, you are hilarious. Don't tell me, you also invented the Crunchie, right?
  • Blahblah wrote: »
    Yet the OP doesn't mention poorly paid sex workers. If that's what you meant, fucking say it.

    Really. So it would make a real difference if these men went from the UK and had unpaid sex with Thai women, would it.

    What, you think they're lining up to make sexy with fat white balding men because they find us irresistibly attractive?

    But again, you didn't mention women in your OP, let alone Thai women. I've been discussing holidays with ladyboys (kathoey), elsewhere. Say what you mean.
  • BlahblahBlahblah Suspended
    edited November 2019
    Blahblah wrote: »
    Yet the OP doesn't mention poorly paid sex workers. If that's what you meant, fucking say it.

    Really. So it would make a real difference if these men went from the UK and had unpaid sex with Thai women, would it.

    What, you think they're lining up to make sexy with fat white balding men because they find us irresistibly attractive?

    But again, you didn't mention women in your OP, let alone Thai women. I've been discussing holidays with ladyboys (kathoey), elsewhere. Say what you mean.

    I can't see what difference it makes who they are going to Thailand to have sex with.

    There is an extra layer if depravity if they're going to look for children (it did cross my mind how this person could possibly know that all his conquests were adults) but that doesn't mean that travelling to have lots of sex with any kind of person is somehow a perfectly normal and sane thing to do on one's holiday.

    If you think that's moralising to think that being a rich person going overseas to take advantage of the poverty of others is fucked up, you are right. It is.
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