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  • Meanwhile May unveiled a statue today to the virulently anti-Semitic Nancy Astor.

    She was politically ignorant and personally bigoted. She would fit in perfectly nowadays.
  • I have received one missive about the election. From an independent candidate. First bullet point. If elected, she will support Boris to get Brexit done. She also appears to be non-British in origin, which is not something I normally take account of, but in the circumstances, straight in the recycle pile.
  • Best place for it. Or down the loo...
    :naughty:

    Nothing from anyone here, though the current Tory MP has a poster of her grinning Visage on her Dad's gate, next door.
    :grimace: with long auburn hair...

    A friend, in the same constituency, was displeased that she'd received nothing from the Labour candidate, but a mutual friend (a member of the Party) told us that funding was very limited.
  • We've had about ten leaflets from Labour, plus very bright young Labour people at the door, chatted to the candidate in the High St, nothing from Tories or LD. It's a Labour lovebomb, marginal seat.
  • I promise if Labour can stop the fat liar having a majority, I will go back to Mass, for as long as I can take it.
  • It seems to be patchy. Mutual Friend mentioned above is a party activist in the constituency which covers Our Place's parish, and he (and others) are beavering away sending out thousands of leaflets, knocking on doors, traipsing up and down the High Street etc. etc.

    The seat is not exactly marginal, but has been Labour-held before, a few years ago.

    Blast and damn Piffleglum to the lowest depths of Hades, for causing such a vital Election to be held, at short notice, in December.
    :rage:
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    So we can tell nothing at the moment. Labour is moving up in the polls but Cons still ahead. Lots of new voters but little indication of the way they will vote. The only sure thing is Boris will lie again.
  • He's good at avoiding interviews as well. Neil, then the climate discussion. Frit?
  • He's good at avoiding interviews as well. Neil, then the climate discussion. Frit?

    In fairness, you'd be too if you'd be broiled alive like Johnson was on LBC this morning.
  • All we’ve had is two identical leaflets from the Brexshit party.

    They went straight in the bin without a glance.
  • This whole "I'm going to stab some people on London Bridge during a General Election campaign" is like some really shit remake of a film that was terrible the first time around.

    I mean, that must have been some deep level stupid terrorist - literally one of the most policed spaces in the country with armed police from three police forces seconds away.

    I don't often support violence, but that looks like a righteous kill by police worried some fucking idiot was about to blow up the whole bridge.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Shipmate
    edited November 2019
    Suicide by cop, in that it was a fake bomb.

    It is being reported he was actually tackled to the ground by some extraordinarily brave members of the public.
  • Not just members of the public, but ex or current prisoner members of the public.
    Meanwhile, it turns sout that my "Independent" candidate was a member of the Tories for decades but left because she didn't trust May to enable Brexit, and was going to stand for Brexit until Farage pulled them out of safe Tory seats. Please, please, please, let her split the poll and let someone else in. Instead of the parachuted in not resident in the constituency ex spad with long blonde hair* who hasn't had the memo about not campaigning today.
    *Not hairist, but it betokens a certain sort of woman with a certain sort of attitude to work. I think. It takes too much maintenance.
  • Penny S wrote: »
    Not just members of the public, but ex or current prisoner members of the public.

    Yes, apparently one guy is a convicted murderer on day release.

    I sympathise with his victim's family: clearly it isn't what they want to know he is out of prison and being called a hero.

    On the other hand, he didn't have to do that. I believe he was the guy literally laid across this bloke's chest whilst they waited for the armed police to arrive. Which, given that everyone thought he was wearing a bomb, was a selfless act by someone deemed an utterly flawed individual by society.

    I hope he knows that his act is appreciated, and I really hope there are no negative legal consequences for him. It would be horribly predictably rigid if he was recalled to prison for a selfless act which could easily have saved lives at the expense of his own.

  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Predictable? I'd have thought the chances of his licence/parole being revoked were now minimal.
  • Gee D wrote: »
    Predictable? I'd have thought the chances of his licence/parole being revoked were now minimal.

    You might think. I'm not sure the licence conditions are as flexible as we might like.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    What has he done that would infringe his licence?
  • Gee D wrote: »
    What has he done that would infringe his licence?

    I don't know what his conditions are, but often fighting and/or violence are included. Given that this guy has put himself on the front page of the newspapers and upset the family of the victim, there seems a good chance he will be recalled.

    Unfortunately the system doesn't tend to show much leniency. If it says no fighting and he's caught on camera fighting that might be enough to break the terms, apparently.

    It might even be argued that it would be better for everyone if he was kept out of the media spotlight until the hubbub dies down.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    I doubt very, very much that attempting to overcome an murderer/assailant would breach licence conditions that he not fight or be violent.
  • Gee D wrote: »
    I doubt very, very much that attempting to overcome an murderer/assailant would breach licence conditions that he not fight or be violent.

    Think whatever you like. Let's wait and see.
  • Gee D wrote: »
    I doubt very, very much that attempting to overcome an murderer/assailant would breach licence conditions that he not fight or be violent.

    Hopefully.

  • Isn't the redemption of a flawed protagonist by an act of heroism is a classic literary theme.? I may have miss something, but how does lying across the chest of someone already prone on the ground constitute fighting?
  • Eirenist wrote: »
    Isn't the redemption of a flawed protagonist by an act of heroism is a classic literary theme.? I may have miss something, but how does lying across the chest of someone already prone on the ground constitute fighting?

    AIUI at the time the target was wearing what looked like a suicide vest and those tackling him had no reason to think it wasn't real.
  • Eirenist wrote: »
    Isn't the redemption of a flawed protagonist by an act of heroism is a classic literary theme.? I may have miss something, but how does lying across the chest of someone already prone on the ground constitute fighting?

    AIUI at the time the target was wearing what looked like a suicide vest and those tackling him had no reason to think it wasn't real.

    Judging by their reactions when told to move by the armed police (running quickly away), everyone genuinely thought it was a bomb about to explode.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Blahblah wrote: »
    Gee D wrote: »
    I doubt very, very much that attempting to overcome an murderer/assailant would breach licence conditions that he not fight or be violent.

    Think whatever you like. Let's wait and see.

    What do you think? If you were on the Parole Board, or whatever its English equivalent is called, would you send him back in for what he did?
  • This article notes both offenders who tackled Khan have passed through HMP Grendon - which is a fairly unique and rehabilitation focused environment.

    The family of the murder’s victim, Amanda Champion, are reported in the press to be furious that he is being described as a hero. Which is entirely understandable.
  • Jane RJane R Shipmate
    edited December 2019
    The family of the murder’s victim, Amanda Champion, are reported in the press to be furious that he is being described as a hero. Which is entirely understandable.

    Understandable, yes, but how are these people to be rehabilitated if forgiveness is impossible? Ford may be a murderer, but what he did to protect the public on London Bridge was heroic. People are complicated.
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    Does Boris Johnson not own a comb or brush? Sheesh.
  • DafydDafyd Shipmate
    Apparently Johnson musses up his hair on purpose before going on camera.
  • Yeah, it’s intended to be endearing. Also, his name isn’t Boris - his family and friends call him Al (from his first name, Alexander).
  • Yeah, it’s intended to be endearing. Also, his name isn’t Boris - his family and friends call him Al (from his first name, Alexander).

    In fairness, going round in public as Al Johnson is to invite any number of unfavourable comparisons.
  • Dafyd wrote: »
    Apparently Johnson musses up his hair on purpose before going on camera.
    Imagine a female politician appearing in public looking anything less than immaculate? Come see the sexism inherent in the system!

  • Yeah, it’s intended to be endearing. Also, his name isn’t Boris - his family and friends call him Al (from his first name, Alexander).

    In fairness, going round in public as Al Johnson is to invite any number of unfavourable comparisons.
    If he doesn't want unfavourable comparisons, perhaps he'd be better off not behaving like a bastard, and stop promoting vile opinions.

  • Yeah, it’s intended to be endearing. Also, his name isn’t Boris - his family and friends call him Al (from his first name, Alexander).

    In fairness, going round in public as Al Johnson is to invite any number of unfavourable comparisons.
    If he doesn't want unfavourable comparisons, perhaps he'd be better off not behaving like a bastard, and stop promoting vile opinions.

    Hear, hear!
  • Yeah, it’s intended to be endearing. Also, his name isn’t Boris - his family and friends call him Al (from his first name, Alexander).

    In fairness, going round in public as Al Johnson is to invite any number of unfavourable comparisons.
    If he doesn't want unfavourable comparisons, perhaps he'd be better off not behaving like a bastard, and stop promoting vile opinions.

    Well yes, but that's much harder than just going by one of your middle names. It might require thought, compassion, consideration and possibly some semblance of morality or ethics. That's a bit much to expect from an old Etonian tory.
  • I know this is a rant thread, but not all old Etonians are the same, nor, for that matter, are all tories.
  • To be fair, I know some very decent old Etonian Tories. They may be rare, but they do exist!
  • #NotAllEtonians
  • Eirenist wrote: »
    I know this is a rant thread, but not all old Etonians are the same, nor, for that matter, are all tories.

    Lie down with dogs you get up with fleas. I've some sympathy for old Etonians who've made an effort to overcome the failings in their upbringing and education but to the tory ones: Fuuuuccckkkk yoooouuuuu!
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Shipmate
    edited December 2019
    Lie down with dogs you get up with fleas. I've some sympathy for old Etonians who've made an effort to overcome the failings in their upbringing and education but to the tory ones: Fuuuuccckkkk yoooouuuuu!

    He plays this for laughs, but I think there is a lot of truth in what Marcus Brigstocke says here. I was reminded of this clip by reading something in a similar vein on the Surviving Church blog earlier in the week.
  • Lie down with dogs you get up with fleas. I've some sympathy for old Etonians who've made an effort to overcome the failings in their upbringing and education but to the tory ones: Fuuuuccckkkk yoooouuuuu!

    He plays this for laughs, but I think there is a lot of truth in what Marcus Brigstocke says here. I was reminded of this clip by reading something in a similar vein on the Surviving Church blog earlier in the week.

    I remember speculating at the time of the Iraq invasion whether, with the prohibition of corporal punishment in private schools, we might finally reach a situation where our leaders don't consider violence as the first resort for making people do what we want. These days I suspect that Brigstocke may be right, that the depth of harm done by the public schools is far greater than mere violence.
  • I had a 'public school' education, like Jeremy Corbyn. But I have always voted Liberal or LD. Am I damned?
  • Possibly, but only slightly... :wink:
  • Eirenist wrote: »
    I had a 'public school' education, like Jeremy Corbyn. But I have always voted Liberal or LD. Am I damned?

    Corbyn didn't attend a public school.
  • He went to an independent prep school, followed by a grammar school. Both schools are, AIUI, highly regarded as being excellent places.
  • Why would Rick Astley be a better Prime Minister than Boris Johnson?

    Because when Rick says he'll never give me up or let me down or run around or desert me or make me cry or say goodbye or tell a lie or hurt me I actually believe him.

    When Johnson says anything (including that he doesn't lie), I don't.

  • He plays this for laughs, but I think there is a lot of truth in what Marcus Brigstocke says here. I was reminded of this clip by reading something in a similar vein on the Surviving Church blog earlier in the week.

    There is in fact a survivor group.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Yeah, it’s intended to be endearing. Also, his name isn’t Boris - his family and friends call him Al (from his first name, Alexander).

    Fortunately he's not part of my family (in that sense) nor are we friends.
  • Apologies, Arethosemyfeet and Bishop's Finger. Alas, there can be no doubt that I am damned, for I have blasphemed J.C.
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