Apologies, Arethosemyfeet and Bishop's Finger. Alas, there can be no doubt that I am damned, for I have blasphemed J.C.
Nah, three Hail Dianes and you're good.
According to who's method of counting, though jokes about numbers with reference to Ms Abbot are old. Almost as old as ...
Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out.
Apologies, Arethosemyfeet and Bishop's Finger. Alas, there can be no doubt that I am damned, for I have blasphemed J.C.
Nah, three Hail Dianes and you're good.
According to who's method of counting, though jokes about numbers with reference to Ms Abbot are old. Almost as old as ...
Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out.
Well that is partly because of maths. Green is the only UK wide party on your list.
The Greens aren't a UK party, there is a Green Party of England and Wales and a distinct (pro-independence) Scottish Green Party. And there is every chance that the SNP will hold the balance of power in the new parliament.
Well that is partly because of maths. Green is the only UK wide party on your list.
Not really. Together they'd very likely have more seats than the DUP, but the chances of any concessions to get them to support a minority government are practically zero.
Well that is partly because of maths. Green is the only UK wide party on your list.
Not really. Together they'd very likely have more seats than the DUP, but the chances of any concessions to get them to support a minority government are practically zero.
I understand that but your post didn’t indicate that.
It's really been thrilling to see the Corbyn worshippers out explaining that the problem Labour had was that it's insufficietly racist to beat the Tories, and that offering an opportunity to reverse this disaster was a step too far.
My contempt for them us nearly as great as it is for our new government.
It's really been thrilling to see the Corbyn worshippers out explaining that the problem Labour had was that it's insufficietly racist to beat the Tories, and that offering an opportunity to reverse this disaster was a step too far.
It's really been thrilling to see the Corbyn worshippers out explaining that the problem Labour had was that it's insufficietly racist to beat the Tories, and that offering an opportunity to reverse this disaster was a step too far.
My contempt for them us nearly as great as it is for our new government.
Since no-one's explicitly arguing that I suggest you clarify, because I'm buggered if I know what you're on about.
It looks like the Conservative and Unionist party have succeeded in breaking the Union - there are now nationalist majorities in Northern Ireland and Scotland, how long before Wales too do we think ?
It's really been thrilling to see the Corbyn worshippers out explaining that the problem Labour had was that it's insufficietly racist to beat the Tories, and that offering an opportunity to reverse this disaster was a step too far.
My contempt for them us nearly as great as it is for our new government.
Since no-one's explicitly arguing that I suggest you clarify, because I'm buggered if I know what you're on about.
Certainly. A selection of posts from Social Media this morning explaining that Labour committing to a referendum to try to prevent the loss of jobs, the demonisation of immigrants and the protection of our rights was the reason Labour lost. Shitweasels, the lot of them.
"the biggest mistake the labour centrists made was guaranteeing a second referendum/people's vote. it was obvious to most people that it would be seen as a betrayal of the working classes. whoever forced corbyn's hand on this need to have a long look at themselves today"
"It's Brexit. People voted for it, they want it. Labour agreeing to 2nd referendum to appease centrists lost them the election. Lesson learned, don't try to appease centrists"
"He lost because he tried to appease centrists like you with 2nd referendum. You know nothing about politics. You are a corporate puppet"
"why should corbyn campaign for remain when the referendum vote was to leave?
labour lost seats cos he didnt campaign hard enoigh to leave. which is what he believed in.
'own people'? those ppl are not labour - they are neoliberal centrists same as tories. pay attention."
"wrong man, look at the MP outcomes. their defunct brexit position fucked them. corbyn should've trusted his instincts and told the liberal centrists to GTFO and ran with respecting the original referendum as they did in '17."
"We lost because we reneged on our 2017 pledge to honour the referendum result. If some moronic new peoples vote centrist gets into labour leadership, they will keep up with this narrative and nothing will change."
"In the face of all logic.. Labour changed policy from lexit to referendum after pressure from centrists and lose huge numbers of votes because of policy change and you reckon its Corbyns fault and the centrist are absolved.. Right, okay."
"His policy on brexit was perfect initially. Giving in to the centrist moaners crying for a second referendum has killed us"
And all because Labour offered moronically impossible idea of "a better deal" and then if it felt like it, a vote.
Still, if all these so called socialists are happy to back Tory policy, then what hope is there?
Then London becomes a city state like Singapore, and the English shires are left to run themselves into the ground as their racist, complacent population seems to want. Because that's so English.
The tribalism is very unpleasant, but ultimately - around here, in a strongly Brexit supporting Midlands constituency it may not be wholly wrong.
This whole business has exposed the degree to which borderline (and sometimes over that line) racist populism has been able to take a hold in economically left behind areas like this. It's hardly a new phenomenon but tragic to see it in action. Labour can continue to make the case for non-isolationist international co-operation, but must accept that it is a long haul to win that argument, against a backdrop of the easy fix of "just do it" Brexit. I think the argument only has a hope of acceptance in places like this when Brexit has finally shown itself to be unable to deliver.
I agree that going along with the populism would have been a dereliction of duty as a progressive anti-racist party, but the price of that principle is losing a proportion of traditional Labour voters who are nevertheless absolute convinced at the moment that we must Just Leave Already.
And anti-semitism? The Labour Party doesn't seem to want to talk about THAT particular brand of racism does it?
Oh fuck off. Tiny percentage of Labour members and supporters in a party consistently shown to harbour fewer negative stereotypes about Jews than the Tories. But to be fair to the Tories, they do a good line in negative portrayals of Muslims, and that comes right from the very top.
So fuck off again, and carry on fucking off until you've nowhere further to fuck off to, but carry on fucking off even then.
And anti-semitism? The Labour Party doesn't seem to want to talk about THAT particular brand of racism does it?
Out pops the fan-boy of those who are destroying everything that's good in this country with his usual bullshit.
We get it. You won. You've managed to destroy the NHS, drive the economy into meltdown, ripped up the constitution and thrown democracy under a bus of lies. But, at least you manage to reduce the number of people with brown faces and funny sounding names who make massive contributions to our nations. Well done.
Now, FUCK OFF and gloat in silence somewhere else.
And anti-semitism? The Labour Party doesn't seem to want to talk about THAT particular brand of racism does it?
Out pops the fan-boy of those who are destroying everything that's good in this country with his usual bullshit.
We get it. You won. You've managed to destroy the NHS, drive the economy into meltdown, ripped up the constitution and thrown democracy under a bus of lies. But, at least you manage to reduce the number of people with brown faces and funny sounding names who make massive contributions to our nations. Well done.
Now, FUCK OFF and gloat in silence somewhere else.
Well, well, England has flushed itself down the toilet, and we shall have to put up with the grinning gargoyle face of the Mad Mophead for bloody ever and ever...
At least my gaff held the line. Cold comfort this morning.
We managed to bin off our dreadful Tory MP and replace them with a Lib-Dem. But, otherwise, what a total shit-show. That will be running for the next 5 years. Feck
I made a mistake in tactical voting - thought Labour, second last time - by a long way - was more likely to reduce the blue a bit, but they were overtaken by the LibDem who managed a third of the tory vote. The two Brexitty people lost deposits.
If nothing else this election shows that remain / leave is not about party lines, and that the election was about Brexit.
Do you think the leave vote is primarily motivated by racism and xenophobia ?
Yes. That's basically my take from Canada. Have a right wing gov't privatize everything, reduce public services, blame immigrants for reduced quality of life, promise a wonderful future of prosperity. Based on what exactly?
Well, well, England has flushed itself down the toilet, and we shall have to put up with the grinning gargoyle face of the Mad Mophead for bloody ever and ever...
Where's that WHISKEY?
Drink up quick, there'll be a tariff on it soon, it will be whisky only after that.
Well, well, England has flushed itself down the toilet, and we shall have to put up with the grinning gargoyle face of the Mad Mophead for bloody ever and ever...
Where's that WHISKEY?
Drink up quick, there'll be a tariff on it soon, it will be whisky only after that.
Dear UK peeps, I am so sorry. Allow me to extend condolences along with a -- can we call this a welcome? -- to the Club of Countries with Cuckoo Cult Clan Chiefs. I had so hoped for some different result, while admittedly not seeing much or knowing what to actually hope for.
The thought of the CCCCCC actually made me smile, so thank you, @Ohher , for your kindly, and well-meant, welcome!
At least you good people have the chance to consign Potus Blump to the trash can of history next year (please god, if any god there be, that this occurs), whereas we're probably stuck with the Mad Mophead Piffleglum until such time as a kindly Ditch opens up, and swallows him.
We' d make you most welcome but you might not want to come.
I can't work out if the future holds
- all sorts of Tory party bribes of investment so that the SNP don't have an economic case for calling for independence (Boris - "look how well you Scotch are all doing under the wonderful Union with a Conservative government. look at the roads/schools/NHS etc)
- further turning of the austerity screw, combined with Brexit crippling the country, making it harder and harder for the Scottish Government to provide with so much of the devolved stuff we're used to (uni fees, prescriptions etc) and then the Scottish Tories can blame it all at an SNP led Scottish government "How dare the SNP not meet their previous promises to provide cakes for everyone " - ignoring the fat that the ingredients cupboard is nearly empty and the electricity to the oven has been cut off
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Nah, three Hail Dianes and you're good.
Guilty as charged, yer honour.
Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out.
Not Johnson's certainly. According to him 6=40.
You know who hasn't got s scooby of having an influence on the direction of parliament after the election? The same.
The Greens aren't a UK party, there is a Green Party of England and Wales and a distinct (pro-independence) Scottish Green Party. And there is every chance that the SNP will hold the balance of power in the new parliament.
Not really. Together they'd very likely have more seats than the DUP, but the chances of any concessions to get them to support a minority government are practically zero.
I understand that but your post didn’t indicate that.
My contempt for them us nearly as great as it is for our new government.
Because it's true
Not sure that "helpful" is what a rant thread usually attracts
Context?
Since no-one's explicitly arguing that I suggest you clarify, because I'm buggered if I know what you're on about.
Another lie, nothing humbles the giant buffoon.
Certainly. A selection of posts from Social Media this morning explaining that Labour committing to a referendum to try to prevent the loss of jobs, the demonisation of immigrants and the protection of our rights was the reason Labour lost. Shitweasels, the lot of them.
"the biggest mistake the labour centrists made was guaranteeing a second referendum/people's vote. it was obvious to most people that it would be seen as a betrayal of the working classes. whoever forced corbyn's hand on this need to have a long look at themselves today"
"It's Brexit. People voted for it, they want it. Labour agreeing to 2nd referendum to appease centrists lost them the election. Lesson learned, don't try to appease centrists"
"He lost because he tried to appease centrists like you with 2nd referendum. You know nothing about politics. You are a corporate puppet"
"why should corbyn campaign for remain when the referendum vote was to leave?
labour lost seats cos he didnt campaign hard enoigh to leave. which is what he believed in.
'own people'? those ppl are not labour - they are neoliberal centrists same as tories. pay attention."
"wrong man, look at the MP outcomes. their defunct brexit position fucked them. corbyn should've trusted his instincts and told the liberal centrists to GTFO and ran with respecting the original referendum as they did in '17."
"We lost because we reneged on our 2017 pledge to honour the referendum result. If some moronic new peoples vote centrist gets into labour leadership, they will keep up with this narrative and nothing will change."
"In the face of all logic.. Labour changed policy from lexit to referendum after pressure from centrists and lose huge numbers of votes because of policy change and you reckon its Corbyns fault and the centrist are absolved.. Right, okay."
"His policy on brexit was perfect initially. Giving in to the centrist moaners crying for a second referendum has killed us"
And all because Labour offered moronically impossible idea of "a better deal" and then if it felt like it, a vote.
Still, if all these so called socialists are happy to back Tory policy, then what hope is there?
Do you think the leave vote is primarily motivated by racism and xenophobia ?
Yes. Every "justification" ultimately boils down to that. Which is why I've never understood the Labour Party's failure to fight it heart and soul.
This whole business has exposed the degree to which borderline (and sometimes over that line) racist populism has been able to take a hold in economically left behind areas like this. It's hardly a new phenomenon but tragic to see it in action. Labour can continue to make the case for non-isolationist international co-operation, but must accept that it is a long haul to win that argument, against a backdrop of the easy fix of "just do it" Brexit. I think the argument only has a hope of acceptance in places like this when Brexit has finally shown itself to be unable to deliver.
I agree that going along with the populism would have been a dereliction of duty as a progressive anti-racist party, but the price of that principle is losing a proportion of traditional Labour voters who are nevertheless absolute convinced at the moment that we must Just Leave Already.
And anti-semitism? The Labour Party doesn't seem to want to talk about THAT particular brand of racism does it?
Oh fuck off. Tiny percentage of Labour members and supporters in a party consistently shown to harbour fewer negative stereotypes about Jews than the Tories. But to be fair to the Tories, they do a good line in negative portrayals of Muslims, and that comes right from the very top.
So fuck off again, and carry on fucking off until you've nowhere further to fuck off to, but carry on fucking off even then.
We get it. You won. You've managed to destroy the NHS, drive the economy into meltdown, ripped up the constitution and thrown democracy under a bus of lies. But, at least you manage to reduce the number of people with brown faces and funny sounding names who make massive contributions to our nations. Well done.
Now, FUCK OFF and gloat in silence somewhere else.
This!
Be a good chap now, and crawl right back.
Well, well, England has flushed itself down the toilet, and we shall have to put up with the grinning gargoyle face of the Mad Mophead for bloody ever and ever...
Where's that WHISKEY?
We managed to bin off our dreadful Tory MP and replace them with a Lib-Dem. But, otherwise, what a total shit-show. That will be running for the next 5 years. Feck
This country is bonkers. Feck indeed.
I also voted tactically, again to no avail, although Labour did make second place (albeit a long way behind...).
I think I'll move to Scotland.
Yes. That's basically my take from Canada. Have a right wing gov't privatize everything, reduce public services, blame immigrants for reduced quality of life, promise a wonderful future of prosperity. Based on what exactly?
Drink up quick, there'll be a tariff on it soon, it will be whisky only after that.
Indeed you may. Any preferred location? I quite like Caithness...
I'm drinking it as can as I quick NOW...*hic*
Shame on them. I hope they enjoy the government lots of us didn't vote for...
At least you good people have the chance to consign Potus Blump to the trash can of history next year (please god, if any god there be, that this occurs), whereas we're probably stuck with the Mad Mophead Piffleglum until such time as a kindly Ditch opens up, and swallows him.
We' d make you most welcome but you might not want to come.
I can't work out if the future holds
- all sorts of Tory party bribes of investment so that the SNP don't have an economic case for calling for independence (Boris - "look how well you Scotch are all doing under the wonderful Union with a Conservative government. look at the roads/schools/NHS etc)
- further turning of the austerity screw, combined with Brexit crippling the country, making it harder and harder for the Scottish Government to provide with so much of the devolved stuff we're used to (uni fees, prescriptions etc) and then the Scottish Tories can blame it all at an SNP led Scottish government "How dare the SNP not meet their previous promises to provide cakes for everyone " - ignoring the fat that the ingredients cupboard is nearly empty and the electricity to the oven has been cut off
or even a combination of both