In the unlikely event of William and his kids being wiped out by a meteor, would Harry revert to being the heir? Despite not being royal any longer?
Yes, he remains sixth in line to the throne. The HRH hasn't been taken away, they've just agreed not to use them. They're still royal, but not Royal if that makes sense.
Why would anyone doubt that they want to get away from the vicious tabloid press, considering the fate of Harry's mother? Whether they also find the royals claustrophobic, dunno. I put some distance between me and my family when I was 18.
The tabloid press did not kill his mother. That was down to her drunk chauffeur.
Must we reduce everything down to a single cause?
Indeed. Surely the fact that Lady Diana and her paramour weren't wearing seat belts (their bodyguard, the only person in the car who was strapped in, survived even though he was in the "suicide seat," the front passenger seat) was another cause. Had they taken the trouble to buckle up, they'd probably be alive today.
I can’t help feeling this is rather missing the point. Harry was ten years old when his mother died, pursued by a pack of paparazzi, and I’m not surprised that he isn’t very objective about it. Most people have a hard time being entirely objective about their own mother.
Yes, it seems a bit hard-hearted to say to Harry, your mother wasn't killed by the media, it was her own fault. He talks about history repeating itself, meaning that Meghan feels persecuted by the tabloids. I wouldn't like to argue with him.
In the unlikely event of William and his kids being wiped out by a meteor, would Harry revert to being the heir? Despite not being royal any longer?
Yes, he remains sixth in line to the throne. The HRH hasn't been taken away, they've just agreed not to use them. They're still royal, but not Royal if that makes sense.
Is it wrong of me to faintly love the idea of having King Archie one day? Just because all those people who seem to feel that Meghan has sullied the pure Englishness of the family would lose their tiny minds.
Prince Harry might consider emulating his distant relative, Prince Rupert ('Rupert of the Rhine'), who, during the Interregnum, enjoyed (if that is the right word) a successful career as a pirate in the Caribbean. If he cultivated that beard, he would have the looks for the part.
Rupert, The chap who captured the baggage train but lost the battle
In the unlikely event of William and his kids being wiped out by a meteor, would Harry revert to being the heir? Despite not being royal any longer?
The short answer's yes: the Succession to the Crown Act of 2013 applies, and it would take an act of parliament to amend that. And the other Commonwealth monarchies would have to change their laws as well, although not New Zealand and, courtesy of Stephen Harper, likely but not necessarily Canada (*tangent on Canadian constitutional law avoided!!!). You don't need to be royal or titled to succeed to the throne, although once you're there, I guess you become royal. The untitled in the line of succession begins at number 15 with Peter Phillips.
@Rossweisse - I would agree with respect to President Putin-- I suppose it would be an interesting parlour game to determine which national leaders might be reptilian, and which not. However, this afternoon I will have to install the oven control panel rebuilt by this man's colleague and am now wondering if I will be turned into some being even scalier than I already am.
However, this afternoon I will have to install the oven control panel rebuilt by this man's colleague and am now wondering if I will be turned into some being even scalier than I already am.
Oven control panel? You may want that carefully checked out by reliable, trusted superheroes before installing . . . never know what nefarious Mind Control innovation The Reptiles may have inserted . . .
In the unlikely event of William and his kids being wiped out by a meteor, would Harry revert to being the heir? Despite not being royal any longer?
Harry's place in the line of succession is unaffected by his titles, I believe the minor royals who do not have titles such as Princess Anne's children, are still in the line of succession.
If Harry really doesn't want to be King, all he needs to do is convert to Roman Catholicism.
I'd imagine regicide and treason might also be reasons to question the legality of his place in the line of succession.
Numerous examples to the contrary. In England, think of the Wars of the Roses, and similarly in Scotland. The most recent in those countries I can think of was the deposition of James II, accelerating Mary's place in the line. So many in the Roman Empire that I don't have enough fingers and toes to count.
Her Majesty has played this perfectly. Harry is out but the door is open. Rudeness? Like the rocks, what rudeness?
Yes, I too take the tone of HMQ's statement to read that the door is open for the Sussexes to have a re-think and a possible return. I'd imagine that would be the wish of both Charles and William.
Which, in a way, I'm happy about, since I always found it somewhat annoying. It was kind of like a novelty-song for hipsters.
Ghomeshi's case did reveal some pretty eye-opening stuff about the most progressive corners of Canadian media, eg. the show's producer admitting to a complainant that, yeah, the host is a jerk, but we can't change that, so the onus is on you to make this a "less toxic workplace".
It's hard out there for a familial regicide these days. For example the current Richard, Duke of Gloucester would have to murder at least 26 people to reach the throne rather than the three done in by his more famous literary forebear/namesake.
Richard III according to Shakespeare had to do in at least five people (Henry VI, Edward of Westminster, Henry Duke of Clarence, Edward V, Richard of Shrewsbury) not counting death from natural causes or death by enemy action. Gloucester was of course then a much more important population centre.
Interesting analysis by Arwa Mahdawi (Guardian), that Andrew is being rehabilitated, after all he only messed around with a paedophile, and likes young girls, no big deal, but Harry is fucked, because he did the worst thing a man can do, he did what his wife wants. I've no idea if this is correct, but it's pointing to an underlying misogyny. Who would have thought it.
Andrew is definitely not being rehabilitated. Don't let the fact that he accompanied his mother to church fool you.
First, normally he wouldn't attend church on anything other than Christmas Day and Easter Day: if his Mama is making him accompany her its because she reckons he needs the religion, nothing more. Second, any rehabilitation attempt would have to be run past the Prince of Wales and even if HMQ thinks it a possibility, Charles is far more in-tune with public thinking and knows better.
Which, in a way, I'm happy about, since I always found it somewhat annoying. It was kind of like a novelty-song for hipsters.
Ghomeshi's case did reveal some pretty eye-opening stuff about the most progressive corners of Canadian media, eg. the show's producer admitting to a complainant that, yeah, the host is a jerk, but we can't change that, so the onus is on you to make this a "less toxic workplace".
I assure you that this rationale is almost universal in the Canadian workplace, progressive, regressive, and otherwise. I had it used on me in the context of an abusive and vicious manager; I know lawyers, hospital administrators, younger officers in the military, library clerks, modern dance professionals, aboriginal council staff, and baristas, who have all been told this. The Ghomeshi episode provided a welcome whiff of grapeshot to middle managers trying to silence trouble, and long may it continue providing that whiff. It was salutary in its effect.
Well, the Sun had, 'Andrew has become the Queen's rock', and 'he is a tower of strength, supporting his parents in their hour of need'. Then they have a story on Harry and Meghan, 'they will never be happy, their objective is fame and fortune'.
Well, the Sun had, 'Andrew has become the Queen's rock', and 'he is a tower of strength, supporting his parents in their hour of need'. Then they have a story on Harry and Meghan, 'they will never be happy, their objective is fame and fortune'.
The sun has set.
Why do people read such things, oh sorry, that was the wrong question evidently.
Well, the Sun had, 'Andrew has become the Queen's rock', and 'he is a tower of strength, supporting his parents in their hour of need'. Then they have a story on Harry and Meghan, 'they will never be happy, their objective is fame and fortune'.
Wow. If their objectives actually were fame and fortune, one would think they'd cling like barnacles to the HMS Elizabeth II instead of trying for escape hatches. The Sun might want a little refresher course in logic.
It looks like the Sussexes have been given an all or nothing ultimatum, either in or out. The reduced duty royal plan announced by Harry a few days ago is out, and so are they.
That's the nothing part. The all part is that they can come back.
In other news, my Vancouver Island correspondent says the locals are not happy with Canada having to cough up for security costs.
The queen's letter reminds me of the story of the prodigal son. It is duke and duchess can go, it is their decision; but they are still a part of "my" family, and I love them very much. She is keeping the light on for them. I am sure they will have a family key too,
The queen's letter reminds me of the story of the prodigal son. It is duke and duchess can go, it is their decision; but they are still a part of "my" family, and I love them very much. She is keeping the light on for them. I am sure they will have a family key too,
That story is the reverse of thing one isn't it? Although he's leaving, he's leaving a den of licentiousness and infamy.
If anyone has a right to be mad at Harry and Meghan it's the people of Sussex, who have been left leaderless without their Duke and who are now defenseless against incursions from Hampshire and Kent.
Whomst shall hear the petitions of the townfolk? Whomst shall oversee the collection of tithes and enforcement of contracts? I say ye WHOMST?!
Her Majesty has played this perfectly. Harry is out but the door is open. Rudeness? Like the rocks, what rudeness?
Yes, I too take the tone of HMQ's statement to read that the door is open for the Sussexes to have a re-think and a possible return. I'd imagine that would be the wish of both Charles and William.
If anyone has a right to be mad at Harry and Meghan it's the people of Sussex, who have been left leaderless without their Duke and who are now defenseless against incursions from Hampshire and Kent.
Whomst shall hear the petitions of the townfolk? Whomst shall oversee the collection of tithes and enforcement of contracts? I say ye WHOMST?!
It's hard out there for a familial regicide these days. For example the current Richard, Duke of Gloucester would have to murder at least 26 people to reach the throne rather than the three done in by his more famous literary forebear/namesake.
Richard III according to Shakespeare had to do in at least five people (Henry VI, Edward of Westminster, Henry Duke of Clarence, Edward V, Richard of Shrewsbury) not counting death from natural causes or death by enemy action. Gloucester was of course then a much more important population centre.
In Tudor times, Shakepeare was never going to big up Richard III
If anyone has a right to be mad at Harry and Meghan it's the people of Sussex, who have been left leaderless without their Duke and who are now defenseless against incursions from Hampshire and Kent.
Whomst shall hear the petitions of the townfolk? Whomst shall oversee the collection of tithes and enforcement of contracts? I say ye WHOMST?!
Personally,I wonder what happens when the two of them realise that their celebrity (his at least) is because he is royal, not because of his no doubt many merits, which are like those shown by many hundreds or thousands of people. And absent royalty, which he has now eschewed, who cares what he, she or they do.
My understanding is that in Canada, we recognize the monarch as sovereign, but we do not, unlike the UK, have an aristocracy, and therefore Harry and Meghan, if they do reside in this country, are not any more important than any other person living here who come from abroad.
I love how unbothered Canadians are about the monarchy.
Watch rural Canada assimilate them into the local book club and put them on the serving line at the annual beef bbq and community fundraiser for a hospice unit at the local hospital.
That same rural Canada will defend their right to live unbothered, as the rest of us do. Already we hear reports of seaplane charters refusing to carry paparazzi over to the island.
The sooner we can assimilate them into rural Canadian life the better it will be for everyone concerned.
I've heard of it before. (Didn't check out the video link.) Pretty bizarre. But David Icke, one of the people who put it forth, said that modern people with heritage from space-alien reptilians weren't necessarily bad or dangerous. IIRC, he put Diana forth as one of the good ones.
I do NOT believe the Reptilian Theory in any way, shape, or form. But it kept coming up, from time to time, so I looked into it a bit. And, long ago, I checked out David Icke's site. I *don't* recommend going there, if it's still the way it was: bizarre design as well as bizarre ideas.
We now return you to "Reptilian II: How do I tell my family I married a human?". But, first, this commercial from the little green reptilian guy at GEICO...
I have a personal take on Icke seeing reptiles everywhere, because we share a brain stem with reptiles (known as the R-complex), I believe there's a little iguana in us all.
Personally,I wonder what happens when the two of them realise that their celebrity (his at least) is because he is royal, not because of his no doubt many merits, which are like those shown by many hundreds or thousands of people. And absent royalty, which he has now eschewed, who cares what he, she or they do.
My understanding is that in Canada, we recognize the monarch as sovereign, but we do not, unlike the UK, have an aristocracy, and therefore Harry and Meghan, if they do reside in this country, are not any more important than any other person living here who come from abroad.
I love how unbothered Canadians are about the monarchy.
Watch rural Canada assimilate them into the local book club and put them on the serving line at the annual beef bbq and community fundraiser for a hospice unit at the local hospital.
That same rural Canada will defend their right to live unbothered, as the rest of us do. Already we hear reports of seaplane charters refusing to carry paparazzi over to the island.
The sooner we can assimilate them into rural Canadian life the better it will be for everyone concerned.
AFF
But they don't want to be assimilated into rural Canadian life.
Personally,I wonder what happens when the two of them realise that their celebrity (his at least) is because he is royal, not because of his no doubt many merits, which are like those shown by many hundreds or thousands of people. And absent royalty, which he has now eschewed, who cares what he, she or they do.
My understanding is that in Canada, we recognize the monarch as sovereign, but we do not, unlike the UK, have an aristocracy, and therefore Harry and Meghan, if they do reside in this country, are not any more important than any other person living here who come from abroad.
I love how unbothered Canadians are about the monarchy.
Watch rural Canada assimilate them into the local book club and put them on the serving line at the annual beef bbq and community fundraiser for a hospice unit at the local hospital.
That same rural Canada will defend their right to live unbothered, as the rest of us do. Already we hear reports of seaplane charters refusing to carry paparazzi over to the island.
The sooner we can assimilate them into rural Canadian life the better it will be for everyone concerned.
AFF
But they don't want to be assimilated into rural Canadian life.
The monarchy is one of those things we keep around for sentiment. Like the Electoral College, it makes no sense and we don't care that it doesn't.
Reminds us we're not Americans. As long as it looks good on stamps, bank notes and proclamations.
Even less sense than the EC, because the College does occassionally make a difference in how elections turn out, as compared to a system of direct vote.
Whereas the monarchy, while it does perform a needed function, doesn't do anything more than what could be done by a president in a figurehead-presidential system, and makes no difference to who gets elected and what laws get passed.
Reminds us we're not Americans. As long as it looks good on stamps, bank notes and proclamations.
Even some Canadian republicans, such as they are, have promised that, in the event of aboliiton, Canada would certainly never stoop to anything so yankee-vulgar as a president, and have proposed that we maintain the title "governor-general" for our head of state.
I've also heard it suggested that, instead of a direct-vote, the Order Of Canada should elect one of its members as head of state. (Sort of like those high-school votes for valedictorian, where the students get a choice, but the only candidates allowed are the ones who got above an 85% average.)
So, all the elitism of a Queen, with none of the romance. I can kinda see why the movement has never really caught fire.
Meghan and Harry's (and Archie's!) situation keeps reminding me of the movie "Resurrection". Ellen Burstyn stars as a woman who, for complicated reasons, has to leave, hide, and start over. She finds an unusual way that works for her, and still allows her to be herself.
I don't wish the circumstances on M-H-A. But I do hope they find a way that works even better for them.
(:votive:)
Personally,I wonder what happens when the two of them realise that their celebrity (his at least) is because he is royal, not because of his no doubt many merits, which are like those shown by many hundreds or thousands of people. And absent royalty, which he has now eschewed, who cares what he, she or they do.
My understanding is that in Canada, we recognize the monarch as sovereign, but we do not, unlike the UK, have an aristocracy, and therefore Harry and Meghan, if they do reside in this country, are not any more important than any other person living here who come from abroad.
I love how unbothered Canadians are about the monarchy.
Watch rural Canada assimilate them into the local book club and put them on the serving line at the annual beef bbq and community fundraiser for a hospice unit at the local hospital.
That same rural Canada will defend their right to live unbothered, as the rest of us do. Already we hear reports of seaplane charters refusing to carry paparazzi over to the island.
The sooner we can assimilate them into rural Canadian life the better it will be for everyone concerned.
AFF
But they don't want to be assimilated into rural Canadian life.
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Yes, he remains sixth in line to the throne. The HRH hasn't been taken away, they've just agreed not to use them. They're still royal, but not Royal if that makes sense.
I can’t help feeling this is rather missing the point. Harry was ten years old when his mother died, pursued by a pack of paparazzi, and I’m not surprised that he isn’t very objective about it. Most people have a hard time being entirely objective about their own mother.
Is it wrong of me to faintly love the idea of having King Archie one day? Just because all those people who seem to feel that Meghan has sullied the pure Englishness of the family would lose their tiny minds.
King of Spain, Moxy Fruvous
The short answer's yes: the Succession to the Crown Act of 2013 applies, and it would take an act of parliament to amend that. And the other Commonwealth monarchies would have to change their laws as well, although not New Zealand and, courtesy of Stephen Harper, likely but not necessarily Canada (*tangent on Canadian constitutional law avoided!!!). You don't need to be royal or titled to succeed to the throne, although once you're there, I guess you become royal. The untitled in the line of succession begins at number 15 with Peter Phillips.
@Rossweisse - I would agree with respect to President Putin-- I suppose it would be an interesting parlour game to determine which national leaders might be reptilian, and which not. However, this afternoon I will have to install the oven control panel rebuilt by this man's colleague and am now wondering if I will be turned into some being even scalier than I already am.
Oven control panel? You may want that carefully checked out by reliable, trusted superheroes before installing . . . never know what nefarious Mind Control innovation The Reptiles may have inserted . . .
Harry's place in the line of succession is unaffected by his titles, I believe the minor royals who do not have titles such as Princess Anne's children, are still in the line of succession.
If Harry really doesn't want to be King, all he needs to do is convert to Roman Catholicism.
Numerous examples to the contrary. In England, think of the Wars of the Roses, and similarly in Scotland. The most recent in those countries I can think of was the deposition of James II, accelerating Mary's place in the line. So many in the Roman Empire that I don't have enough fingers and toes to count.
I took it as hypothetical.
I took it as a bizarre claim that Harry has the potential to control and aim meteors.
Yes, I too take the tone of HMQ's statement to read that the door is open for the Sussexes to have a re-think and a possible return. I'd imagine that would be the wish of both Charles and William.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Jian_Ghomeshi
Which, in a way, I'm happy about, since I always found it somewhat annoying. It was kind of like a novelty-song for hipsters.
Ghomeshi's case did reveal some pretty eye-opening stuff about the most progressive corners of Canadian media, eg. the show's producer admitting to a complainant that, yeah, the host is a jerk, but we can't change that, so the onus is on you to make this a "less toxic workplace".
First, normally he wouldn't attend church on anything other than Christmas Day and Easter Day: if his Mama is making him accompany her its because she reckons he needs the religion, nothing more. Second, any rehabilitation attempt would have to be run past the Prince of Wales and even if HMQ thinks it a possibility, Charles is far more in-tune with public thinking and knows better.
Andrew is out and will be staying out.
I assure you that this rationale is almost universal in the Canadian workplace, progressive, regressive, and otherwise. I had it used on me in the context of an abusive and vicious manager; I know lawyers, hospital administrators, younger officers in the military, library clerks, modern dance professionals, aboriginal council staff, and baristas, who have all been told this. The Ghomeshi episode provided a welcome whiff of grapeshot to middle managers trying to silence trouble, and long may it continue providing that whiff. It was salutary in its effect.
Why do people read such things, oh sorry, that was the wrong question evidently.
Wow. If their objectives actually were fame and fortune, one would think they'd cling like barnacles to the HMS Elizabeth II instead of trying for escape hatches. The Sun might want a little refresher course in logic.
That's the nothing part. The all part is that they can come back.
In other news, my Vancouver Island correspondent says the locals are not happy with Canada having to cough up for security costs.
It is a novelty song. Duh. Don't see what hipsters have to do with it. And anyway why shouldn't they have their own novelty songs?
(ish 5th in line at birth, but in terms of family tree the equivalent of one of Edwards kids)
Also I suspect it's not going to do the royals any harm to have a recent branch of the family somewhere with a degree of separation.
But not me.
Are we still fighting the War of the Roses?
In Tudor times, Shakepeare was never going to big up Richard III
Wonderful!
I love how unbothered Canadians are about the monarchy.
Watch rural Canada assimilate them into the local book club and put them on the serving line at the annual beef bbq and community fundraiser for a hospice unit at the local hospital.
That same rural Canada will defend their right to live unbothered, as the rest of us do. Already we hear reports of seaplane charters refusing to carry paparazzi over to the island.
The sooner we can assimilate them into rural Canadian life the better it will be for everyone concerned.
AFF
I have a personal take on Icke seeing reptiles everywhere, because we share a brain stem with reptiles (known as the R-complex), I believe there's a little iguana in us all.
AFF
But they don't want to be assimilated into rural Canadian life.
Resistance is futile. They will be assimilated.
AFF
Reminds us we're not Americans. As long as it looks good on stamps, bank notes and proclamations.
Even less sense than the EC, because the College does occassionally make a difference in how elections turn out, as compared to a system of direct vote.
Whereas the monarchy, while it does perform a needed function, doesn't do anything more than what could be done by a president in a figurehead-presidential system, and makes no difference to who gets elected and what laws get passed.
Even some Canadian republicans, such as they are, have promised that, in the event of aboliiton, Canada would certainly never stoop to anything so yankee-vulgar as a president, and have proposed that we maintain the title "governor-general" for our head of state.
I've also heard it suggested that, instead of a direct-vote, the Order Of Canada should elect one of its members as head of state. (Sort of like those high-school votes for valedictorian, where the students get a choice, but the only candidates allowed are the ones who got above an 85% average.)
So, all the elitism of a Queen, with none of the romance. I can kinda see why the movement has never really caught fire.
I don't wish the circumstances on M-H-A. But I do hope they find a way that works even better for them.
(:votive:)
ROTFL!
Brilliant!