2020 Celebrity Deathpool

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  • I trust the eulogy will be delivered without hesitation, deviation or repetition.
  • balaambalaam Shipmate
    edited January 2020
    Sipech wrote: »
    Nicholas Parsons has died. In spite of appearing ageless, he was 96.
    Rest in peace, good sir. You brought us much joy, silliness and laughter.

    He passed away without repetition, hesitation or deviation.

    [Edit to add due to page break] BUZZ!
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    We were always delighted if Just a Minute came on the car radio when we were home on holiday. He did indeed seem ageless; truly a Broadcasting Legend.

    RIP, Mr. Parsons.
  • In the #MeToo era, not just a basketballer, but a very bad person.
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kobe-bryants-rape-charge-i-885653

    (For those keeping count, these allegations date to 2003, when Kobe Bryant was 24, and had been married for two years. Wikipedia has a summary here.

    My opinion is that calling Kobe Bryant "a very bad person" is excessive. It is clear that he did a very bad thing - if you take his version of events, which is the most favorable to him, then he still did a very bad thing in 2003.

    It's also clear that he has done a number of very good things with, for example, charitable work supporting kids.

    These things don't cancel each other out - that's not how life works. You don't get to erase bad things by doing a couple more good things.

    But if you're describing someone as a "bad person" then I think you need an ongoing pattern of bad behaviour - you need to establish that they are regularly doing bad things. And in the case of Kobe Bryant, I don't think you have that.
  • Can I just suggest that shipmates read up a bit more on the case before leaping to Kobe's defense. I considered calling Gramps to Hell for his "Here we go again" comment and statement that "restorative justice" has been achieved in some way, which is at best grossly inaccurate.

    The civil suit wasn't any kind of victory for the young woman - the criminal case was dropped only a week before it was due to go to trial, because the victim couldn't stand being dragged through the mud by the defense team and the media any more. There was plenty of physical evidence that a brutal assault took place. The girl's blood was found on Kobe's t-shirt and a medical exam found multiple lacerations in her vaginal wall.

    Other women have come forward and said Bryant assaulted them in similar situations (see the above articles). They just didn't report it to the police because - for some reason - they figured Kobe would probably get away with it anyway.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Hostly Oink

    This thread is purely for marking the passing of celebrities, with a few anecdotes or remarks about each if people feel so inclined.

    The Circus isn't the place for speculation about the rights or wrongs of the celebrities' behaviour; as the charges were dropped against Mr. Bryant, I don't think any further discussion of the subject here is appropriate.

    Thank you.

    Piglet, Circus host
  • edited January 2020

    I started a "Restorative Justice" thread in Purgatory earlier this morning because I felt that my contributions here were derailing the topic and the discussion was clearly non-Circus. It is here.
  • Again, I can't find a link, but it was tweeted by SPCK publishing that David Adam - writer of celtic prayers and liturgies - has died.

    His work was really important for me at times. I used some of his liturgies to help keep me sane.

    For me, he embraced the celtic spirit, without the total romanticism that often comes with it.
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    Sadly, that appears to be correct. Some years ago, when he was vicar of Holy Island, which has a village and a parish church on it, I met him. Lovely man.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    I started a "Restorative Justice" thread in Purgatory ...
    Thanks, NP - I think that was a wise move.
  • Andy Gill of Gang of Four (the British band, not the Chinese political faction) has died.
  • The suspense is over for Mary Higgins Clark.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    I doubt that anyone would have had him - he'd have scored minus points - but Kirk Douglas has died aged 103.
  • I am Spartacus.
  • George Steiner, polymathic critic and scholar, dead at 90. In a strange nexus of coincidence, I returned to his Errata last Thursday, and he died on my birthday.
  • Piglet wrote: »
    I doubt that anyone would have had him - he'd have scored minus points - but Kirk Douglas has died aged 103.
    I hadn’t read the rules correctly, so I have minus points!
  • McMaverick wrote: »
    Piglet wrote: »
    I doubt that anyone would have had him - he'd have scored minus points - but Kirk Douglas has died aged 103.
    I hadn’t read the rules correctly, so I have minus points!

    Anyone else remember Uriel - who won year after year, and then chose 13 people all over the age of 100!
  • MaryLouiseMaryLouise Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host
    Another who died this week: Kamau Brathwaite, Caribbean poet and historian.
  • Anyone else remember Uriel - who won year after year, and then chose 13 people all over the age of 100!

    I remember - I think in fact he chose 13 people over 110, and only lost 3 in the course of the year!

    AG

  • McMaverick wrote: »
    Piglet wrote: »
    I doubt that anyone would have had him - he'd have scored minus points - but Kirk Douglas has died aged 103.
    I hadn’t read the rules correctly, so I have minus points!

    Anyone else remember Uriel - who won year after year, and then chose 13 people all over the age of 100!
    That makes me feel a little better! ☺️

  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Now you mention it, I remember him too.
  • No more chip (battery) on his shoulder, no longer wild, Robert Conrad has died.
  • Yes, James West has headed for the last round-up. Who will protect us from Dr. Loveless' fiendish schemes now?
  • Actor Orson Bean has died. Despite being 91 years old he was apparently killed in a traffic accident.
  • I'm not sure if that is how you describe being "clipped" by one car and then run over by another whose driver was "distracted" by people trying to slow him down :grimace:
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  • Joseph Shabalala, founder of Ladysmith Black Mambazo, has died.
  • BakerBaker Shipmate
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  • edited February 2020
    Raphael Coleman - never heard of him or seen Nany McPhee, but he has died at 25.

    He was of late a climate change campaigner, and (to me) the reports sound suspicious to me. But what do I know. Such a young age.

    [Fixed link - la vie en rouge, Circus host]
  • Just seen this Caroline Flack, age 40 appears to have died. I would consider the BBC to be sufficiently trustworthy in this respect.

    It does note that she was due to stand trial soon, which makes this suspicious (IMO).
  • Her family have confirmed that she took her own life. So sad.
  • Tree Bee wrote: »
    Her family have confirmed that she took her own life. So sad.

    Yes - I have seen that the original article was updated. When I posted, there was a lot of speculation that it was suicide, but no statement, so I wanted to avoid adding to the questions.

    It is so sad that someone so young, so talented, should be driven to this - the media hatred directed at her has been vile.
  • I made it to a list ...albeit in minus figures 😂😂
    Baker wrote: »
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  • Ja'net Dubois or Good Times fame has passed.
  • Heather Couper the charismatic astronomer and author has died.
  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    My first reaction to that was that Heather Couper can't have been that old - but I've just looked her up, and she was 70.
  • la vie en rougela vie en rouge Circus Host, 8th Day Host
    Hosni Mubarak is dead.

    Nine points to me.
  • -1 point for anyone who had NASA mathematician Katherine Johnson.
  • More negative points! Diana Serra Cary, who was considered the last living silent film star, dies at age 101.
  • Elsewhere on the Ship folk are debating as to whether or not this thread should exist. I have the perfect solution. For those defending the Death Pool, how about setting up a Ship only version? Several of us have cancer, any of us could be hit by a car, and all our deaths would be reported on the Ship. Why not keep this in house, and speculate on which of us won't make it to the end of the year?
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    No harm to you, @Robert Armin, but IMHO that's a terrible idea.

    The Celebrity Death Pool involves, almost exclusively, people we've never met and with whom we'd be very unlikely to have any interaction, but I see the Ship community as a group of friends. Would you be comfortable with the idea of a Death Pool of your RL friends or family? I certainly wouldn't.

    Just my tuppence-worth (and to be clear, that's just me posting as a Shipmate - not Hosting).
  • Which is my point. If I'm not happy with something being done to me, or members of my family, I don't think I should do it to others.

    I've never liked this thread, but in the past have been content to ignore it. Now that I'm thinking about death quite a bit my feelings have changed from dislike to revulsion.
  • That debate happens every few years.

    If you read it, the posts are celebrating and marking the deaths of people in the public eye. Removing the game aspect would make it less interesting.

    I don't think it is ever done to celebrate death. It is a way for those of us who wish to to mark the passing of people. I feel that is a good thing - they would otherwise get missed.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    edited February 2020
    Having re-read your post, @Robert Armin, I appear once again to have missed your irony, for which I heartily apologise.

    Perhaps you need "snark marks" for the benefit of people as unsubtle as I am. :blush:

    As SC says, the Death Pool is often as much a tribute to the late celebrities - many of us find that we get points when we'd much rather not.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Gentle Hostly Oink ...

    I'm inclined to think that any further discussion of the rights and wrongs of this thread belong in the Styx, rather than here.

    Thank you.

    Piglet, Circus host
  • BakerBaker Shipmate
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  • Piglet wrote: »
    Gentle Hostly Oink ...

    I'm inclined to think that any further discussion of the rights and wrongs of this thread belong in the Styx, rather than here.

    Thank you.

    Piglet, Circus host

    I've started a Styx thread, but don't know how to link to it.
  • I've started a Styx thread, but don't know how to link to it.
    Here you are. :)

  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Thanks, Wesley - you got there before me! :)
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