@Dafyd There are different translations and there are differences between the English and American English editions. For example English Pippi Goes Aboard is Pippi Goes on Board in American English, spluttification loses it's "S", etc. My sisters were given the Pippi books by Swedish au pairs in the 1950s.
Robert Armin, the movie mashes up a lot of the stories into one narrative and changes a lot. As I remember it (haven't seen it in MANY years) it's a pretty good movie but don't expect versimilitude.
Oh and there is a collected book of the stories of The People called Ingathering. I got it through amazon.
Yes--"Food for all Flesh" was one C. S. Lewis picked up on and promptly forgot where he'd found it! He bewailed the fact in a letter, I believe. If he hadn't died before I was born, I'd have let him know...
Hubby was born and bred in California, I was born and bred in Virginia. I am certain at times we speak two different languages. Soda, and Soft drink being just one example, there are many many more. It does not take an ocean to accomplish this, a large land mass appears to be able to do the same thing.
Soda, and Soft drink being just one example, there are many many more.
Yes! That’s another standard marker of regional word usage in the US—what to call carbonated beverages. Where I grew up (North Carolina) and when I was growing up, it was soft drink or Coke, regardless of the actual brand. Coke meant any soft drink; if that specific brand of cola was meant, it was a Co’Cola. I don’t hear Coke used as a generic term for soft drink much anymore, maybe because of the arrival of Diet Coke, but I still hear Co’Cola from older folks. (And I still say it.)
'Minerals' in my (Irish) childhood. Very disappointed as a teenager to buy a bottle of 'Mineralwasser' in Germany and discover it was, in fact, water...
in Scotland, you will often hear of carbonated drinks being referred to as "Juice" even if it never came near a fruit in its life. In certain areas you will also hear it referred to as "Ginger"
'Gie's a boatle a ginger, missis,'
- 'What kinna ginger, son?'
'Lemonade.'
in Scotland, you will often hear of carbonated drinks being referred to as "Juice" even if it never came near a fruit in its life. In certain areas you will also hear it referred to as "Ginger"
'Gie's a boatle a ginger, missis,'
- 'What kinna ginger, son?'
'Lemonade.'
Donoghue v Stevenson involved a snail in what we are told was a bottle of ginger beer. I've always assumed that it was in fact ginger beer. From this it seems as if it might have been orangeade or some other soft drink (although I think that in 30's Scotland we can safely assume that it was not Passiona).
When I was a child a delivery lorry would come to the house next to ours and deliver bottles of fizzy drink - the manufacturers of which were 'Corona'! I've a feeling that Corona were a South Wales firm but I'm not sure.
"Soft drinks" is a collective term and rather formal. The restaurant serves cocktails, beer, wine, and soft drinks. Nobody would say, "I'm making a store run for soft drinks." Or at a big store, "Boy they sure have a lot of different kinds of soft drinks." In fact I'm not sure I've ever heard the term used where it wasn't referring to a restaurant or printed on its menu.
Also Fryco. Dad grew up in that area.
Folkestone's local drink was Bing, and little local shops would have white letters with the name stuck to their windows. Did business from the late 19th century until the 2000s when it was taken over by private equity, who drove it
I wasn't allowed any of this stuff!
"Soft drinks" is a collective term and rather formal. The restaurant serves cocktails, beer, wine, and soft drinks. Nobody would say, "I'm making a store run for soft drinks." Or at a big store, "Boy they sure have a lot of different kinds of soft drinks." In fact I'm not sure I've ever heard the term used where it wasn't referring to a restaurant or printed on its menu.
They would here (NC). That’s what they’ve traditionally been called here (aside, as I said, from Cokes). That is changing some—with people moving here from Away, one hears soda more often. But “I’m making a run to the store for soft drinks” or “do we have enough soft drinks?” would certainly be heard here.
in Scotland, you will often hear of carbonated drinks being referred to as "Juice" even if it never came near a fruit in its life. In certain areas you will also hear it referred to as "Ginger"
'Gie's a boatle a ginger, missis,'
- 'What kinna ginger, son?'
'Lemonade.'
Donoghue v Stevenson involved a snail in what we are told was a bottle of ginger beer. I've always assumed that it was in fact ginger beer. From this it seems as if it might have been orangeade or some other soft drink (although I think that in 30's Scotland we can safely assume that it was not Passiona).
Never heard of this case, but if it said “Ginger beer” it probably meant that (it is non-alcoholic when made commercially, not always so when manufactured domestically!). Ginger as a generic for soft drink is just that: ginger.
Very famous case, Cathscats. The ‘good neighbour’ principle.
I’m sure I heard a few years ago at some seminar or other that they still had the famous bottle and its snail and had tried to analyse it to check whether it was a snail or not, but couldn’t establish what it was. I can’t find anything online, so I could be dreaming it.
"Soft drinks" is a collective term and rather formal. The restaurant serves cocktails, beer, wine, and soft drinks. Nobody would say, "I'm making a store run for soft drinks." Or at a big store, "Boy they sure have a lot of different kinds of soft drinks." In fact I'm not sure I've ever heard the term used where it wasn't referring to a restaurant or printed on its menu.
They would here (NC). That’s what they’ve traditionally been called here (aside, as I said, from Cokes). That is changing some—with people moving here from Away, one hears soda more often. But “I’m making a run to the store for soft drinks” or “do we have enough soft drinks?” would certainly be heard here.
We use Ginger Beer in our Moscow Mules. 1-2 shots vodka, a can of Ginger Beer, some lime. You can substitute other forms of alcohol for the vodka and get another type of drink, but always the Ginger Beer.
"Soft drinks" is a collective term and rather formal. The restaurant serves cocktails, beer, wine, and soft drinks. Nobody would say, "I'm making a store run for soft drinks." Or at a big store, "Boy they sure have a lot of different kinds of soft drinks." In fact I'm not sure I've ever heard the term used where it wasn't referring to a restaurant or printed on its menu.
They would here (NC). That’s what they’ve traditionally been called here (aside, as I said, from Cokes). That is changing some—with people moving here from Away, one hears soda more often. But “I’m making a run to the store for soft drinks” or “do we have enough soft drinks?” would certainly be heard here.
So do milk and tea not count as soft drinks?
Milk possibly. Tea is a hot drink - different category.
"Soft drinks" is a collective term and rather formal. The restaurant serves cocktails, beer, wine, and soft drinks. Nobody would say, "I'm making a store run for soft drinks." Or at a big store, "Boy they sure have a lot of different kinds of soft drinks." In fact I'm not sure I've ever heard the term used where it wasn't referring to a restaurant or printed on its menu.
They would here (NC). That’s what they’ve traditionally been called here (aside, as I said, from Cokes). That is changing some—with people moving here from Away, one hears soda more often. But “I’m making a run to the store for soft drinks” or “do we have enough soft drinks?” would certainly be heard here.
So do milk and tea not count as soft drinks?
Not here, no. Soft drinks here means carbonated beverages.
When I was a child a delivery lorry would come to the house next to ours and deliver bottles of fizzy drink - the manufacturers of which were 'Corona'! I've a feeling that Corona were a South Wales firm but I'm not sure.
I remember getting 10p back when you returned the bottle...
Do Americans generally distinguish between ginger ale and ginger beer? I don't think so, but my research is very limited.
Ginger ale is very common, mostly as a bar mixer. Ginger beer is almost unheard of. I first came across it in Bermuda about 30 years ago (mixed with black rum it's a Dark and Stormy). Some specialty stores carry it; I think Trader Joe's does.
The only carbonated drink I remember from my childhood, other than mixers, is Tizer, which was absolutely forbidden. However the gravedigger (our frequent partner-in-crime) used to dispense small glasses of the sickly stuff in his hut during school holidays. Looking back, I suspect that Nanny/Mama knew all about it, probably provided extra cash for it, because it kept the rule-breaking manageable.
I have always understood Ginger Beer is fermented, Ginger ale is not. The ale is just carbonated water and ginger and I would guess sugar, like any other soft drink. They are in two difference sections at my grocery store in the US.
We call ginger ale the sweet, vaguely ginger flavoured pop.
Ginger beer is the one which bites back, sometimes called Jamaican ginger beer. It can bite as much as jerk goat. Never had jerk sheep.
Both are fizzy.
The term "alco pop" has some usage for excessively sweet relatively high alcohol content fizzy drinks. They often are the bright blue colour of Windex.
Neither ginger beer or ginger ale here is normally alcoholic (there may be one or two around that are). The beer is pale and cloudy, the ale clear and deep tan. The ale is the one used as a mixer as well as a soft drink.
When I was a child a delivery lorry would come to the house next to ours and deliver bottles of fizzy drink - the manufacturers of which were 'Corona'! I've a feeling that Corona were a South Wales firm but I'm not sure.
I remember getting 10p back when you returned the bottle...
It was 3d (in old money). Three empties and a penny got you another bottle. Lemonade came either white or brown. There were lurid novelties like orangeade, limeade and raspberryade, but I fancy they were more expensive - 11d rather than 10d.
They came from the Cantrell & Cochrane factory on the Castlereagh Rd (who claim btw to have invented ginger ale).
Generally 3d here back in .the pre-decimal days (14th February 1966, and the jingle will spoil my sleep for the night). But some were 4d, from memory Schweppes. They also came in non-standard sized bottles.
I was tremendously excited when I found Australian (Bundaberg) ginger beer in a specialty drinks store in California.
Unfortunately my Californian friends weren't as excited as I was. They thought it was okay.
But yes, "ginger beer" is not alcoholic unless you specifically say it's alcoholic ginger beer. Which is uncommon, but not unheard of. Plain ginger beer is a soft drink.
I don't think it's very common for anyone to say they were going to get "soft drinks" unless they were in a restaurant or club or something and meant they were getting several glasses for different people. If you were buying bottles in the supermarket you would most likely say "soft drink", regardless of how many bottles you were buying.
And yes, a soft drink absolutely must fizz. It doesn't simply mean lacking alcohol. Come to think of it, I'm wondering now whether alcoholic ginger beer would still be regarded as a soft drink...
Ginger ale really only tends to be consumed here as a mixer I think. Even then I think it's become a lot more common in relatively recent times.
Crabbie's by any chance? I passed an advertisement for that - 'Kick Off With A Crabbie's' I assume that's what it said, but the first two letters were hidden by trailing foliage...
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Oh and there is a collected book of the stories of The People called Ingathering. I got it through amazon.
Though soft drink is a secondary term. Never soda.
'Gie's a boatle a ginger, missis,'
- 'What kinna ginger, son?'
'Lemonade.'
Seems like a good cue for me to link to one of my favourite poems: "Christ in the Universe" by Alice Meynell.
http://www.poetry-archive.com/m/christ_in_the_universe.html
Donoghue v Stevenson involved a snail in what we are told was a bottle of ginger beer. I've always assumed that it was in fact ginger beer. From this it seems as if it might have been orangeade or some other soft drink (although I think that in 30's Scotland we can safely assume that it was not Passiona).
Round here it's used of still cold drinks as well as carbonated ones.
Folkestone's local drink was Bing, and little local shops would have white letters with the name stuck to their windows. Did business from the late 19th century until the 2000s when it was taken over by private equity, who drove it
I wasn't allowed any of this stuff!
Never heard of this case, but if it said “Ginger beer” it probably meant that (it is non-alcoholic when made commercially, not always so when manufactured domestically!). Ginger as a generic for soft drink is just that: ginger.
I’m sure I heard a few years ago at some seminar or other that they still had the famous bottle and its snail and had tried to analyse it to check whether it was a snail or not, but couldn’t establish what it was. I can’t find anything online, so I could be dreaming it.
MMM
So do milk and tea not count as soft drinks?
Milk possibly. Tea is a hot drink - different category.
I remember getting 10p back when you returned the bottle...
Ginger beer is the one which bites back, sometimes called Jamaican ginger beer. It can bite as much as jerk goat. Never had jerk sheep.
Both are fizzy.
The term "alco pop" has some usage for excessively sweet relatively high alcohol content fizzy drinks. They often are the bright blue colour of Windex.
It was 3d (in old money). Three empties and a penny got you another bottle. Lemonade came either white or brown. There were lurid novelties like orangeade, limeade and raspberryade, but I fancy they were more expensive - 11d rather than 10d.
They came from the Cantrell & Cochrane factory on the Castlereagh Rd (who claim btw to have invented ginger ale).
Unfortunately my Californian friends weren't as excited as I was. They thought it was okay.
But yes, "ginger beer" is not alcoholic unless you specifically say it's alcoholic ginger beer. Which is uncommon, but not unheard of. Plain ginger beer is a soft drink.
I don't think it's very common for anyone to say they were going to get "soft drinks" unless they were in a restaurant or club or something and meant they were getting several glasses for different people. If you were buying bottles in the supermarket you would most likely say "soft drink", regardless of how many bottles you were buying.
And yes, a soft drink absolutely must fizz. It doesn't simply mean lacking alcohol. Come to think of it, I'm wondering now whether alcoholic ginger beer would still be regarded as a soft drink...
Ginger ale really only tends to be consumed here as a mixer I think. Even then I think it's become a lot more common in relatively recent times.