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  • ZappaZappa Ecclesiantics Host
    tclune wrote: »
    chocolate milk and a cookie

    No, I don't think you're a dinosaur, @tclune. *Shudder.* Though beer and salt and vinegar chips might work for me. I don't smoke any more but if tobacco could be in- and exhaled as some sort of incense offering I could start my pipe habit again.

    Mind you, Kuruman might divorce me. Which would be a bugger.

  • GalilitGalilit Shipmate
    edited April 2020
    I have become quite fond of a few minutes of Adoration with my Bubble-mates in Francis' Casa Marta livestreamed Morning Mass . (I come from a Very Unpretentious Proddy background, though I have got less Proddy and more pretentious as the years have passed)

    It reminds me (feels like) the Thomas Merton quote;"“Life is this simple: we are living in a world that is absolutely transparent and the divine is shining through it all the time".

    All that Rococco palaver with gold and silver and precioussss stoneses and who-knows-what-else and all the spiky sun-burst thingies surrounding this wee glass window filled with pure white ...
  • Forthview wrote: »
    However 'only those with the hope of reigning with Christ in his heavenly Kingdom are allowed to partake of the emblems.

    I seem to recall hearing that, with such being limited to 144 000 in Witness theology, it was common at such celebrations for there to be one or even no recipients.
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    Forthview wrote: »
    However 'only those with the hope of reigning with Christ in his heavenly Kingdom are allowed to partake of the emblems.

    I seem to recall hearing that, with such being limited to 144 000 in Witness theology, it was common at such celebrations for there to be one or even no recipients.
    Do individual JWs know whether they are one of the 144,000 or not? What do they have to do to get their ticket?

  • ZappaZappa Ecclesiantics Host
    To be fair, I had heard they de-mythologised the 144 000 a while back
  • I think that there are still the 144 000 who will reign with Christ but there is a fairly unlimited number of others who will nevertheless have a wonderful life as subjects of those who reign - according to the teaching of the JWs
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Yes, they invented that new category. It's otherwise hard to make converts if you've already reached the magic number.
  • Isn't this all based on Revelation? The 144,000 of the Tribes of Israel, and the countless multitudes of every one else?
  • I guess so, but it seems the JWs take (or took?) a rather literalist view.
  • I guess so, but it seems the JWs take (or took?) a rather literalist view.

    A literalist view of their own dodgy translation at any rate.
  • My understanding is that the 144.000 will come , obviously, from the 'anointed' among the Jehovah's Witnesses. But as Revelations tells us 'there is ,in addition, a great multitude beyond all reckoning, taken from all nations and tribes and peoples and languages.' Again as far as I know, it is difficult for the Witnesses to know exactly who amongst them count as part of the 144 000 who will reign with Christ and who are the ones who will live after end times in the earthly Paradise which the world was before the sin of Adam and Eve.
    As only the 'anointed' take part in the reception of the emblems at the annual commemoration of the Lord's Evening meal it is indeed the case that there may be celebrations in Kingdom Hall where no-one receives the emblems.(I wonder what they do with the bread and the wine then ?)
  • ZappaZappa Ecclesiantics Host
    Forthview wrote: »
    <snip> But as Revelations tells us '<snip>

    *ahem*

    There is only one revelation. Even in the JW;s book, I think. But certainly in the canonical one.

    (Just a pet peeve. Sorry. Please continue normal transmission). )

  • Indeed you are correct. Mea culpa ! I should have stuck to The Apocalypse.
  • Only one sacred book named The Revelation (Of John). But all of the canons speak of the revelations that have been recorded.
  • Forthview wrote: »
    As only the 'anointed' take part in the reception of the emblems at the annual commemoration of the Lord's Evening meal it is indeed the case that there may be celebrations in Kingdom Hall where no-one receives the emblems.(I wonder what they do with the bread and the wine then ?)
    I don’t know about elsewhere, but here at least some years, all the JWs in the region have gathered for the Lord’s Evening Meal in an arena or civic center, meaning there are hundreds if not thousands in attendance. Perhaps that raises the likelihood that some who believe themselves to be among the anointed will be present.

  • Do you know if you are one of the anointed? If so, how?
  • You may have to ask the Governing Body who are almost certain to know.
    I am sure that they will be anointed witnesses.
  • QohelethQoheleth Shipmate
    Back to the gist of the OP ... My home supply of Holy Water is running out. Should I:
    • dilute it successively until normal service resumes (homeopathic sacramentalism)?
    • request a walk-by blessing by a passing friendly priest of a bottle left on my doorstep ?
    • Amazon Prime? Deliveroo?
    • arrange for a Skype/Zoom Rite of Extended Blessing?
    • bless it myself (supplying matter, form and intent)?
    • seek the intervention of Elijah?
    • endure a post-Lenten drought?
    • ?
  • This a very serious matter, and requires Careful Thought.

    1. Dilution is OK in the short term, but there may come a time when there is no more Holiness to be found in the said water (the Trigger's Broom problem).
    2. A walk-by blessing is OK, but only if a priest is to be had, and ONLY if s/he is on an Essential Errand whilst passing your house.
    3. NO. Amazon is of the Devil, though I'm not sure about Deliveroo...
    4. Another possibility, again if a friendly priest is to be found.
    5. Numerous theologians are currently debating this very issue, so it is probably best avoided for the time being.
    6. I regret to inform you that the said Prophet is presently unavailable, peradventure on a journey...
    7. This would doubtless increase the chances of your name being written in The Lamb's Book Of Life.
    8...
  • Perhaps Deliveroo is an ally of Screwtape?
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited April 2020
    Ah yes - I hadn't thought of that!

    But any word ending in '..oo' must surely be unnatural, and therefore suspect...
    :grimace:
  • My view on Deliveroo is very much that they were not exactly taking care of their employees having watched one winter a local park become defacto the waiting room for their cyclists.
  • cgichardcgichard Shipmate
    @Qoheleth From the Orthodox point of view, only Orthodox Holy Water is the Proper Stuff. But we do not restrict use of it to believers. So I would suggest contacting your nearest Orthodox church (provided they speak English and it's not too far away!) and ask if some could be brought to you or arrangements made for you to collect some. You might be surprised how willing they are to meet your need.

    That's assuming, of course, that your own priest/church will not do likewise.
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    Jengie Jon wrote: »
    My view on Deliveroo is very much that they were not exactly taking care of their employees having watched one winter a local park become defacto the waiting room for their cyclists.
    I too am very suspicious about Deliveroo. First of all, although they'd presumably like to give the impression they're originally cool, fit, laid back Australians, I don't think any of the founders have got any connection with Oz at all. And Second, they've not got a good name for looking after their staff properly.

    This is confirmed with a quick check of their website, which indicates that their riders are self employed, and even responsible for providing their own bicycles etc.

    I'd quite like to be persuaded otherwise, but for now, I tend to assume that underneath the buzz, they're likely to be a bit of an exploitative racket.

  • Enoch wrote: »
    This is confirmed with a quick check of their website, which indicates that their riders are self employed, and even responsible for providing their own bicycles etc.

    I'd quite like to be persuaded otherwise, but for now, I tend to assume that underneath the buzz, they're likely to be a bit of an exploitative racket.

    It is essentially an arbitrage play on employment legislation - if they were employees the company wouldn't be profitable, which should tell you who bears the costs.

    They provide their own vehicles (some deliveroo drivers are on mopeds), are encouraged to take risks due to only being paid per delivery, and bear the costs of sickness, injury etc. The company regularly experiments with dropping wages in order to try and capitalise on the lowest wages possible.
  • ZappaZappa Ecclesiantics Host
    Gotta love capitalism. Though i think that's a different thread at the moment.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited May 2020
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    cgichard wrote: »
    @Qoheleth From the Orthodox point of view, only Orthodox Holy Water is the Proper Stuff. But we do not restrict use of it to believers. So I would suggest contacting your nearest Orthodox church (provided they speak English and it's not too far away!) and ask if some could be brought to you or arrangements made for you to collect some. You might be surprised how willing they are to meet your need.

    That's assuming, of course, that your own priest/church will not do likewise.

    But it does do an extra d6 damage to Undead if thrown by a believer.

    I'll get my coat.
  • So you should, ;).

    I'll mine too for agreeing with you.
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