Stupid entitled selfish

goperryrevsgoperryrevs Shipmate
So, there’s a big hotel near our house, an old manor with big grounds. During lockdown they decided to open up the grounds for people to walk around. Despite living near it most people I know had never actually been in the gardens, and they’re well nice. It’s been great to be able to explore them.

But in the last couple of weeks, people have started having campfires, barbecues, picnics and leaving litter everywhere. The hotel put up signs asking that people just use the gardens for walking round (which most people do), but of course, the entitled pricks have carried on. The hotel can’t manage it, as their staff are all on furlough, so they’ve had to just shut the grounds again.

Why do these twats have to spoil it for everyone? Most people have enough respect not to take the piss.

It’s the same attitude that has made most people so irate about the behaviour of Mr Cummings. If the Prime Minister of our country endorses “The rules don’t apply to me” attitudes, then that’s it, isn’t it? We can’t have nice things anymore because stupid entitled selfish arseholes spoil it for everyone.
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  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    This is true of everyone, isn’t it? We wouldn’t need any rules or laws if none of us were stupid entitled selfish arseholes.

    But we all are, in our own way. We ignore the consequences of our actions, it’s just that they differ from person to person.

    I continue to fly, a lot. I know flying is bad for the environment. But I still do it with lots of justification.

    So I think that’s the problem - justification. Every stupid entitled selfish arsehole has their own excuses. You and me included.
  • This is all true, @Boogie, but I guess it’s a matter of degrees. Most people most of the time try not to take the piss, but it only takes that minority to screw things up for everyone, who take it too far. Yes, many drivers break the speed limit by a few mph every now and then, but it’s the twats that drive double the limit in built up areas that are more likely to kill people.

    And I know that on the scale of things, my particular rant is a first world problem one. But it’s the attitude that stinks, and that attitude spoils things for all people everywhere.

    It also feels like this kind of outworking of it is specifically British. Driving on Belgian roads is weird because there isn’t litter strewn by the side of the roads. Do they have dog shit in bags hung in trees anywhere people can walk? Why do so many of us decide that we’d rather trash beautiful things for a quick short term gain / bit of fun?
  • jay_emmjay_emm Shipmate
    Oh that's sad. It was good of them to try.
    Picnics and Littering, I can see why 'my picnic' is different, it's not a picnic at all, and anyway...
    littering again "I didn't litter, I mean sure there was the one crisp packet that blew away, but that doesn't explain the 100's of other items (from 100's of other people)"

    But actual campfires...

    OOC what's the area like, flats/houses/rural?
  • There's a lot of that going around.

    Fly-tipping is another example prevalent around here. We still have our regular bin collections, but not the special item uplifts and the tip is only now (partially*) re-opening. Still people feel that they need to get rid of stuff that won't fit in their bin and pile it up somewhere. I've done some clear-out (who hasn't with all this sitting around at home?) and have a box of things that won't go in the bins in a cupboard (plus another box ready for when charity shops will be accepting stuff). It's not even as though if you get rid of a large item you'll be getting a replacement at the moment.

    * I don't things are helped by the decision of the local council regarding what they'll accept at the re-opened tips. I can understand accepting garden waste, because people with gardens are likely to generate a lot of grass cuttings which doesn't go in any of the bins. But, otherwise they're only accepting regular household waste and cardboard which goes in the regular bins. Instead of taking stuff that goes in bins anyway it would make more sense to accept stuff from DIY projects (eg: wood if you're taking apart furniture, rubble or soil if you're doing something more substantial).
  • Curiosity killedCuriosity killed Shipmate
    edited May 2020
    The footpaths around here are being heavily used, with those who never normally walk in the fields walking hand in hand across the waving green stuff. The poor farmer has put up notices at every access corner pointing out that this field is planted with wheat, next year's bread and flour, and please can people stay on the footpaths. It hasn't stopped the idiots. Fortunately the reopening of the golf courses has relocated some of the ignorant.

    We trip over people picnicking in odd corners everywhere too; the easily accessible corners in the middle of footpaths through crops, completely blocking the path, not the local nature reserves.
  • It also feels like this kind of outworking of it is specifically British. Driving on Belgian roads is weird because there isn’t litter strewn by the side of the roads. Do they have dog shit in bags hung in trees anywhere people can walk? Why do so many of us decide that we’d rather trash beautiful things for a quick short term gain / bit of fun?

    It is definitely a British thing. Many of us act as if there is an unlimited army of "them" to clear-up after us. IME it applies particularly when people are outside their own home or area. They will always pick-up litter, etc.

    It also seems to apply to the way we Brits behave when on holiday or at leisure, with a particular blind-spot being our pets. Its held to be a God-given right for dogs to be allowed to run loose because you're walking across a field or on a beach. Your cat that roams free at night is the only one on the planet that won't kill birds, hedgehogs, etc.

    The only possible conclusion is that the British are a dirty nation who don't give a flying f**k about the environment; a nation of pet owners who understand nothing of animal behaviour. We'll behave just as we please and woe betide anyone who tries to stop us.
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    edited May 2020
    I go down some nice woodland paths with Echo, it’s really quiet and I never meet a soul.

    But I know someone picnics there every evening as every day I pick up their litter. There are two bins, one at the top of the hill and one at the bottom.

    I met a group of three lads coming up from there the other week. I put my best schoolteacher voice on and said “I hope it’s not your rubbish I’m picking up every day”. They looked sheepish and one said “no miss, we always use the bin”. There’s been no litter down there since.

    🤔
  • It is definitely a British thing.
    No, it's not. I remember being appalled by the amount of litter strewn around beauty spots when we holidayed in Romania about 10 or 12 years ago. Whether that was a reaction against the authoritarianism of the bad old days, or whether there had been an army (paid or 'volunteer') of litter pickers in Communist days, I don't know.

  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    In Germany (sorry @Marvin the Martian ☺️) plastic bottles have a bar code and are redeemed for cash or tokens at all supermarkets. All glass bottles are bought with a deposit.

    So you never see bottles of any kind lying around the verges or gutters.
  • edited May 2020
    It is definitely a British thing.
    No, it's not. I remember being appalled by the amount of litter strewn around beauty spots when we holidayed in Romania about 10 or 12 years ago. Whether that was a reaction against the authoritarianism of the bad old days, or whether there had been an army (paid or 'volunteer') of litter pickers in Communist days, I don't know.

    Poland is pretty clean - it seems to be (another) expression of nationalism, with a good outcome. They had a campaign to reduce dog shit laying around a while back, where the adverts used little Poland flags marking where the turds lay - apparently it was effective.

    I had a Portuguese student who marvelled that beauty spots here (I'm thinking of a rocky outcrop on Kinder Scout) were not covered in graffiti. (And that's not an English word, however much we (with apologies to Alexei Sayle) might like to pull it to our hearts alongside the good old anglo-saxon 'Cortina' :smile: ).

    We're not as bad as we were. When I was old enough to notice (late 70s) young trees were snapped off everywhere, dog shit as far as the eye could see, smashed up bus stops and public amenities closed and sometimes, burned. The caff in our local park has lasted 3 years without even collecting a 'tag'. I think the young are all at home watching porn on the internet.
  • jay_emm wrote: »
    But actual campfires...

    OOC what's the area like, flats/houses/rural?

    Edge of urban / rural. Technically a village, but in practice pretty much a suburb of a big town.
  • Raptor EyeRaptor Eye Shipmate
    Yes, some people dump their litter willynilly, some do what they like where they like thinking they are entitled to do so, inconsiderate of anyone else or any rules, and seem to think that someone else should clear up the mess after them. People have been defecating on beaches near here, giving themselves leave to do so as there were no public conveniences to use.

    This is not new. One woman I challenged as she threw her litter out of a car window far from any built up area many years ago said that it would give someone a job to do.

    Adults seem to be worse than children. Hopefully that means it will get better over time rather than worse. In the meantime, all we can do is to challenge, set an example, and live with our fellow human beings, loving them whether we like them or not. Oh, and venting off in hell.
  • I had a Portuguese student who marvelled that beauty spots here (I'm thinking of a rocky outcrop on Kinder Scout) were not covered in graffiti.
    Yes, I was horrified by the graffiti in Lisbon a few years back.

    Going from personal experience:
    - Fascist state pre-1974 Revolution: no graffti (you wouldn't dare)
    - Country in chaos 1975-83 or so - political posters and slogans on every available surface but no "nuisance" graffiti.
    - Now: awful in some places - when the funicular trams (which stay in the streets 24/7) are repainted, they are graffitied almost instantly. A shame.

  • Fly tipping? I gather it's not about insects. Something to do with garbage it seems.
  • Fly tipping is the dumping of rubbish anywhere other than an authorised location (kerbside bins, municipal dump). Anything from a bin bag left next to the bins to whole truckloads emptied onto a farmers field.
  • Amanda B ReckondwythAmanda B Reckondwyth Mystery Worship Editor
    I think we just call it dumping over here.
  • When I was a child the fine for littering along the road in Virginia was $500.00 In the next state North Carolina it was $50.00. When we would drive to North Carolina to visit family my father would always joke, "Now remember to save your candy wrappers until we get to North Carolina to throw out the window." As I remember there was little trash along the highways. Perhaps fines work, but I also remember often seeing workers picking up trash. They were often inmates. Now I am often cleaning up others trash when in camping areas.
  • MooMoo Kerygmania Host
    In many parts of Virginia, different organizations volunteer to pick up litter along specific sections of road. There are signs naming the groups taking care of each section.
  • There are many volunteer organisations who do litter cleanups in their communities, though road sides are almost always cleaned up by the relevant government agencies because of the significant hazards involved in doing this. When I get the chance to get into the hills for a walk it's quite common that I'll have a bag of rubbish with me when I get back down that I collected along the way.

    Though, litter is one thing if it's just a few snack wrappers or plastic bottles. Fly tipping (or if you prefer 'dumping') is a more significant problem - both in quantity and also that there may be additional hazards present (rats can gather, there may be hazardous materials or sharps) or simply not just a matter of putting it into a bin for collection as there may be items that need to be specially disposed of.
  • PendragonPendragon Shipmate
    There's a lot of that going around.

    Fly-tipping is another example prevalent around here. We still have our regular bin collections, but not the special item uplifts and the tip is only now (partially*) re-opening. Still people feel that they need to get rid of stuff that won't fit in their bin and pile it up somewhere. I've done some clear-out (who hasn't with all this sitting around at home?) and have a box of things that won't go in the bins in a cupboard (plus another box ready for when charity shops will be accepting stuff). It's not even as though if you get rid of a large item you'll be getting a replacement at the moment.

    Unless like the Dragon household you had to replace the washing machine a few weeks ago.

    Our council has restarted bulky waste collection but absolutely no white goods. We can take household waste in its widest sense which would include things like old furniture, but I believe the problem with building waste, which is getting into the realm of commercial disposal is the current lack of onward processing options for the tip operators.

    I am looking forward to Friday as that will be our first garden waste collection of the year and I have a LOT of weeds to donate to the Council!

    Locally they are quite hot on fly-tipping but that's partly because landlords, especially the less scrupulous student ones, aren't always keen on paying to have end of tenancy waste removed properly and legally. And it's not uncommon for end of year bins to be overflowing to start with, and the recycling ones to be uncollectible. At our previous house I did end up having some extra bags of rubbish from the neighbours more than one year running so it wasn't piled up in their front yard. (And they did ask first.)

    I subscribe to Lord Baden-Powell's maxim: 'take nothing but memories, leave nothing but your thanks.'
  • Pendragon wrote: »
    There's a lot of that going around.

    Fly-tipping is another example prevalent around here. We still have our regular bin collections, but not the special item uplifts and the tip is only now (partially*) re-opening. Still people feel that they need to get rid of stuff that won't fit in their bin and pile it up somewhere. I've done some clear-out (who hasn't with all this sitting around at home?) and have a box of things that won't go in the bins in a cupboard (plus another box ready for when charity shops will be accepting stuff). It's not even as though if you get rid of a large item you'll be getting a replacement at the moment.

    Unless like the Dragon household you had to replace the washing machine a few weeks ago.
    My washing machine also decided that two months ago was a great time to develop a fault - though only in relation to programmed cycles, so I can clean clothes by running each part of the cycle one at a time. Which will work until such as time as it's possible to get a new machine and the old one uplifted.

    Judging by some of the stuff dumped around here, there's been a lot of people getting new sofas and beds, or replacing wardrobes ... I fail to see why these needed to be replaced before there was a means of disposing of the old. And, where are people buying new large furniture items?
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Pendragon wrote: »
    I subscribe to Lord Baden-Powell's maxim: 'take nothing but memories, leave nothing but your thanks.'

    Pity he did not live by it. Still, he did leave plenty of bad memories amongst the people he'd trampled over.

  • Pendragon wrote: »
    There's a lot of that going around.

    Fly-tipping is another example prevalent around here. We still have our regular bin collections, but not the special item uplifts and the tip is only now (partially*) re-opening. Still people feel that they need to get rid of stuff that won't fit in their bin and pile it up somewhere. I've done some clear-out (who hasn't with all this sitting around at home?) and have a box of things that won't go in the bins in a cupboard (plus another box ready for when charity shops will be accepting stuff). It's not even as though if you get rid of a large item you'll be getting a replacement at the moment.

    Unless like the Dragon household you had to replace the washing machine a few weeks ago.
    My washing machine also decided that two months ago was a great time to develop a fault - though only in relation to programmed cycles, so I can clean clothes by running each part of the cycle one at a time. Which will work until such as time as it's possible to get a new machine and the old one uplifted.

    Judging by some of the stuff dumped around here, there's been a lot of people getting new sofas and beds, or replacing wardrobes ... I fail to see why these needed to be replaced before there was a means of disposing of the old. And, where are people buying new large furniture items?

    Online. My daughter has outgrown her toddler bed so it's off to the internet we go.
  • HelenEvaHelenEva Shipmate
    I suppose if people are spending most of their life sat on a sofa there's extra motivation to ensure it's a NICE sofa.
  • Judging by some of the stuff dumped around here, there's been a lot of people getting new sofas and beds, or replacing wardrobes ... I fail to see why these needed to be replaced before there was a means of disposing of the old. And, where are people buying new large furniture items?

    Perhaps they were broken? If I manage to break my sofa, it is no longer useful. I'd rather have an empty space ('cause at least I could sit on the floor, or bring a dining chair in) rather than a broken sofa that I can't sit on.

    Similarly, my neighbour just threw out a load of stuff, because we had a lot of rain and his basement flooded. Fortunately, our local garbage pickup service has just started handling bulk items again. But he's not going to keep a load of mouldy carpet and sofas hanging around in his basement, is he?
  • Well, I can assure you there's been no flooding here - we've barely had any rain. How do you break a sofa? It's a big, solid piece of furniture. There is a pile of stuff behind this block which was dumped there by the fire brigade as they put out a fire in a ground floor flat - if the stuffing of the sofas was still hot it would be better to smoulder out in the open than inside where it could flare up into another fire. We all know why it's there, and appreciate that it'll be a two-person lift job to get it through the building for disposal and so can't be moved until such a time as that's possible. It's an eye-sore, but unavoidable. Unlike the much larger piles of junk left out front of our buildings.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Well, I can assure you there's been no flooding here - we've barely had any rain. How do you break a sofa?

    I thought you had kids, but then you ask this so I'm no longer sure.

  • Yes, and in addition to children the sofa's also moved home which included hauling it up three flights of stairs. Still in one piece and fully functional after about 10 years.
  • PendragonPendragon Shipmate
    They don't make them like that any more! Anecdotes from people I know who've used the likes of DFS in the last few years suggest that, especially at the cheaper end of the market, you'll be lucky if it lasts until you've paid it off on the fabled interest free credit.

    Our sofa came from the charity shop about three years ago, so I reckon it must be a good ten years old. We did look at IKEA sofas but the only one with a back high enough to be comfortable for me is only available in some rather dismal shades of grey and brown.
  • Amanda B ReckondwythAmanda B Reckondwyth Mystery Worship Editor
    Not a sofa, but some time back I bought a lounge chair and, more recently, a reclining chair, both from cut-rate sources.

    Every time I leaned back in the lounge chair, the back would "go back" a millimeter or two farther, until finally it separated from the frame and collapsed.

    The reclining chair eventually stopped reclining -- the mechanism went off its tracks and couldn't be put back on.

    Bargain furniture is seldom a bargain.
  • Out last 3 suites have been, newest first: free, £120, £10. They've lasted varying amounts of time, but the recent free one has probably lasted the longest (pushing 5 years now). My wife is on the larger side and tends to be quite hard on furniture.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited June 2020
    Not a sofa, but some time back I bought a lounge chair and, more recently, a reclining chair, both from cut-rate sources.

    Every time I leaned back in the lounge chair, the back would "go back" a millimeter or two farther, until finally it separated from the frame and collapsed.

    The reclining chair eventually stopped reclining -- the mechanism went off its tracks and couldn't be put back on.

    Bargain furniture is seldom a bargain.

    Vimes' Law of Boot Inequality

    .https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Sam_Vimes_Theory_of_Economic_Injustice

  • Moo wrote: »
    In many parts of Virginia, different organizations volunteer to pick up litter along specific sections of road. There are signs naming the groups taking care of each section.

    Kramer Adopts a Highway
  • Not a sofa, but some time back I bought a lounge chair and, more recently, a reclining chair, both from cut-rate sources.

    Every time I leaned back in the lounge chair, the back would "go back" a millimeter or two farther, until finally it separated from the frame and collapsed.

    The reclining chair eventually stopped reclining -- the mechanism went off its tracks and couldn't be put back on.

    Bargain furniture is seldom a bargain.

    A fairly recent insight in my life, is that rocking chairs aren’t for rocking - they are low tech recliners - and often a lot lighter too.
  • MMMMMM Shipmate
    It had never occurred to me before this thread that a sofa lasting 10 years would be regarded as good. At 10 years, I think a sofa would still be ‘the new sofa’ to me. In fact, it is.

    MMM
  • orfeoorfeo Shipmate
    Boogie wrote: »
    We wouldn’t need any rules or laws if none of us were stupid entitled selfish arseholes.

    Yes, stop trying to improve people. I like having secure employment.

  • MMM wrote: »
    It had never occurred to me before this thread that a sofa lasting 10 years would be regarded as good. At 10 years, I think a sofa would still be ‘the new sofa’ to me. In fact, it is.

    MMM

    My favourite sofa, a Victorian nursery sofa, was left in a parsonage house my parents moved into in the 1950s and is well over 100 years old. The frame is original, some of the stuffing too. I recovered it myself (badly) in the 1980s and kept it for another 15 years. We meant to replace it when we moved here but couldn't find a modern one small enough, so it had a complete overhaul (including giving it a base so it is more comfortable for adults) and recover.

    Both children have expressed a desire for it when they set up their own home.
  • orfeo wrote: »
    Boogie wrote: »
    We wouldn’t need any rules or laws if none of us were stupid entitled selfish arseholes.

    Yes, stop trying to improve people. I like having secure employment.

    Don't worry. It won't work.
  • edited June 2020
    I had a Portuguese student who marvelled that beauty spots here (I'm thinking of a rocky outcrop on Kinder Scout) were not covered in graffiti.
    Yes, I was horrified by the graffiti in Lisbon a few years back.

    Going from personal experience:
    - Fascist state pre-1974 Revolution: no graffti (you wouldn't dare)
    - Country in chaos 1975-83 or so - political posters and slogans on every available surface but no "nuisance" graffiti.
    - Now: awful in some places - when the funicular trams (which stay in the streets 24/7) are repainted, they are graffitied almost instantly. A shame.
    KarlLB wrote: »
    Not a sofa, but some time back I bought a lounge chair and, more recently, a reclining chair, both from cut-rate sources.

    Every time I leaned back in the lounge chair, the back would "go back" a millimeter or two farther, until finally it separated from the frame and collapsed.

    The reclining chair eventually stopped reclining -- the mechanism went off its tracks and couldn't be put back on.

    Bargain furniture is seldom a bargain.

    Vimes' Law of Boot Inequality

    .https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Sam_Vimes_Theory_of_Economic_Injustice

    There's a lot of truth in that, Karl. Luckily 'Brighthouse' is a casualty of the current contraction in the high street, and with more luck won't make it out of administration.

    One of my current dilemmas is whether to shell out on new cushions for a 1970-ish wooden-frame suite, or just buy a second hand one on ebay. Used leather suites are amazingly cheap for what seems to me to be a luxury item, and with a small tear here or there, almost worthless. I love the way people are useless, sometimes.

  • PendragonPendragon Shipmate
    Ours is leather. Makes it easier to clean with the Mess Monsters around. (Aka the Dragonlets)
  • The problem with buying of eBay (or anywhere else online) is how to get a new (for you) sofa or other large item delivered. Difficult to move a sofa on your own, and there aren't many delivery drivers with the physique of Geoff Capes in his prime.
  • Amanda B ReckondwythAmanda B Reckondwyth Mystery Worship Editor
    I sold a motorcycle on ebay. The buyer arranged, at his own expense, for a guy to come and load it on a trailer and take it away.
  • (Sorry about my code turd above. An old draft which I didn't clear before typing something new).

    I mostly pick old shite up myself. I'm getting on a bit, but hey, if you don't use it, you lose it.

    (Hang on, was that another old draft, this time for 'Men's reproductive responsibilities'?
    :smiley: )
  • AnselminaAnselmina Shipmate
    I've got a fair amount of the rectory furniture from the local British Heart Foundation recycled furniture store. Wardrobes, sofas, shelves, chairs etc. Great stuff, great value.
  • MiffyMiffy Shipmate
    I had a Portuguese student who marvelled that beauty spots here (I'm thinking of a rocky outcrop on Kinder Scout) were not covered in graffiti.
    Yes, I was horrified by the graffiti in Lisbon a few years back.

    Going from personal experience:
    - Fascist state pre-1974 Revolution: no graffti (you wouldn't dare)
    - Country in chaos 1975-83 or so - political posters and slogans on every available surface but no "nuisance" graffiti.
    - Now: awful in some places - when the funicular trams (which stay in the streets 24/7) are repainted, they are graffitied almost instantly. A shame.

    Call me silly, but I’ve never been able to work out when the graffiti artists [vandals] actually do their dirty work alongside the railway lines. At night when no trains are running? Are there never any ‘accidents?’ It’s always intrigued me.

  • MiffyMiffy Shipmate
    I could have phrased that differently, I feel.
  • PendragonPendragon Shipmate
    There have been accidents but yes, generally under cover of darkness and with more luck than they deserve.

    A lot of our furniture is actually ex-vicarage, inherited from Mr Dragon's side of the family. Being pre-war, and quite substantial, we have had to reject houses in the past on the grounds we'd never fit it in! Modern new-builds are out for the same reason.
  • Miffy wrote: »
    I had a Portuguese student who marvelled that beauty spots here (I'm thinking of a rocky outcrop on Kinder Scout) were not covered in graffiti.
    Yes, I was horrified by the graffiti in Lisbon a few years back.

    Going from personal experience:
    - Fascist state pre-1974 Revolution: no graffti (you wouldn't dare)
    - Country in chaos 1975-83 or so - political posters and slogans on every available surface but no "nuisance" graffiti.
    - Now: awful in some places - when the funicular trams (which stay in the streets 24/7) are repainted, they are graffitied almost instantly. A shame.

    Call me silly, but I’ve never been able to work out when the graffiti artists [vandals] actually do their dirty work alongside the railway lines. At night when no trains are running? Are there never any ‘accidents?’ It’s always intrigued me.

    There was an incident last year when some graffiti artists got hit by a train in the UK:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47404529
  • Miffy wrote: »
    I had a Portuguese student who marvelled that beauty spots here (I'm thinking of a rocky outcrop on Kinder Scout) were not covered in graffiti.
    Yes, I was horrified by the graffiti in Lisbon a few years back.

    Going from personal experience:
    - Fascist state pre-1974 Revolution: no graffti (you wouldn't dare)
    - Country in chaos 1975-83 or so - political posters and slogans on every available surface but no "nuisance" graffiti.
    - Now: awful in some places - when the funicular trams (which stay in the streets 24/7) are repainted, they are graffitied almost instantly. A shame.

    Call me silly, but I’ve never been able to work out when the graffiti artists [vandals] actually do their dirty work alongside the railway lines. At night when no trains are running? Are there never any ‘accidents?’ It’s always intrigued me.

    There are accidents all the time. Taggers deliberately pick the most inaccessible but visible places to spray, so that other taggers will be reluctant to take those same risks to overpaint them. This leads to what is essentially a game of dare, and taggers getting run over, electrocuted or falling from heights are the price they pay for seeing their tags around town. It is (almost invariably) a young man's game.
  • Been going on a long time - this used to tell me we were on our way, on holidays, back in the day.

    Alas, Graffiti artists are much more artistic these days. The inventive depictions of 'Leeds Utd sheep shaggers' on the canal bank next to Man. Utd. are mostly over-painted by New-York style techni-colour high-art tags, as is the late-lamented 'soapy tit w*nk' a couple of bridges down. What has happened to UK youth? :smile:

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