Obnoxious old man picked the wrong old lady to harass

windsofchangewindsofchange Shipmate
edited June 2020 in Hell
So I'm at this grocery store yesterday that I go to regularly because it's out of the way and rarely crowded.

I'm really stressed out, because I'm listening to the news about all the protests, and worrying about what's going to happen next.

I turn off the radio, grab my face mask, and start putting it on as I get out of the car.

In the car next to me, this old* guy (*probably my age; I'm old too!) is watching me, and he calls out to me, "You know, those face masks don't work."

I sigh, having done this same conversation online with idiots online, and prepare to ignore him, when he adds, "because you're still gorgeous!" Then gives me this big smile and wink, like he thinks he's Mr. Hot Stuff of the nursing home.

At that point, I really started seething, and the resulting words out of my mouth weren't pretty.

Honestly, do men in 2020 really think that kind of thing works? Did it *ever* work?

And does anyone else understand why it irritated the livin' crap out of me? All that was missing was, "Smile! You'll look so much better!"
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  • Amanda B ReckondwythAmanda B Reckondwyth Mystery Worship Editor
    Work for what purpose?

    "Thank you" would have been all that was required.
  • Work for what purpose?

    "Thank you" would have been all that was required.

    No, I didn't feel like giving him a "thank you." Random, unsolicited "compliments" from men I don't know make me super nervous. Call me crazy.
  • {{{{{windsofchange}}}}}

    That kind of thing can freak me out, too.
  • This is where our ancestors would have said a chilly "I don't believe we've been introduced" and walked away.
  • Golden Key wrote: »
    {{{{{windsofchange}}}}}

    That kind of thing can freak me out, too.

    Thanks!! Glad someone gets it.
  • This is where our ancestors would have said a chilly "I don't believe we've been introduced" and walked away.

    Yes, I suppose that would be more socially acceptable than suggesting he get back in his car and finish what he'd obviously started before going into the store. (Not that I actually said that -- I think -- but it would have been accurate.)
  • finelinefineline Kerygmania Host, 8th Day Host
    edited June 2020
    Yes, it's the arrogant assumption that a man's opinion of a woman's appearance is very important, and a woman will be delighted and grateful to be told that a random man has assessed her looks and given his seal of approval. Creepy as fuck. But say anything about it and you're an ungrateful, difficult feminazi with no manners. Because, don't you know, even if you're awkward enough to have an issue with it, you're supposed to simply say a polite, meek 'thank you'. With a smile, preferably, as gosh, we're so pretty when we smile, and it's ever so important that we be pretty. Frowns are just so ugly on a woman! 🙄
  • Golden Key wrote: »
    {{{{{windsofchange}}}}}

    That kind of thing can freak me out, too.

    Thanks!! Glad someone gets it.


    I also get it. Some men feel that they are entitled to say any little thing that pops into their tiny little brains to women they don't know. Back in the fogs of antiquity (1990), I was riding a Seattle city bus and was scowling and depressed because I had just endured a grueling therapy session. I wanted to be left alone but some man seated nearby called out to me, "Honey, you're too beautiful to be making such an angry face! Give me a smile, darling!"

    I ignored him, hoping he would take the hint. Of course not. He was on a mission, by golly. He said something similar and I looked him right in the face and said, "Eff off and leave me alone, you prick!"

    I got kicked off the bus for using "threatening language". So, yeah, I absolutely get it.
  • fineline wrote: »
    Yes, it's the arrogant assumption that a man's opinion of a woman's appearance is very important, and a woman will be delighted and grateful to be told that a random man has assessed her looks and given his seal of approval. Creepy as fuck. But say anything about it and you're an ungrateful, difficult feminazi with no manners. Because, don't you know, even if you're awkward enough to have an issue with it, you're supposed to simply say a polite, meek 'thank you'. With a smile, preferably, as gosh, we're so pretty when we smile, and it's ever so important that we be pretty. Frowns are just so ugly on a woman! 🙄

    Yes! That's just it! And I've gotten the "smile, it's not that bad!" a few times as well!!
  • The5thMary wrote: »
    He said something similar and I looked him right in the face and said, "Eff off and leave me alone, you prick!"

    I got kicked off the bus for using "threatening language". So, yeah, I absolutely get it.

    I may need to get that on a T-shirt!!
  • "Thank you" would have been all that was required.

    What would she be thanking him for? Being a jerk?
  • I always stop at "good morning" myself. If that leads to conversation, it's usually about the weather, or these days, who's going first and who's following 2 metres away.
  • GwaiGwai Epiphanies Host
    Haven't you heard, @Pigwidgeon , if you are female, you owe it to every man who wants to tell you how to live your life that you appreciate his kind attentions and thank him for his condescending to pay a compliment to give you the value that you as a female cannot have without male attention.
  • This is from a really funny blog called "Dumb Runner": Man Brightens Woman's Day with Order to Smile -- cracks me up!
  • Gwai wrote: »
    Haven't you heard, @Pigwidgeon , if you are female, you owe it to every man who wants to tell you how to live your life that you appreciate his kind attentions and thank him for his condescending to pay a compliment to give you the value that you as a female cannot have without male attention.

    I guess I was out sick the day they taught that in How To Be A Woman 101.
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    fineline wrote: »
    Yes, it's the arrogant assumption that a man's opinion of a woman's appearance is very important, and a woman will be delighted and grateful to be told that a random man has assessed her looks and given his seal of approval. Creepy as fuck. But say anything about it and you're an ungrateful, difficult feminazi with no manners. Because, don't you know, even if you're awkward enough to have an issue with it, you're supposed to simply say a polite, meek 'thank you'. With a smile, preferably, as gosh, we're so pretty when we smile, and it's ever so important that we be pretty. Frowns are just so ugly on a woman! 🙄
    Amen, amen, ahhh-men. : notworthy :


  • "Thank you" would have been all that was required.
    Only if that “thank you” was delivered in the style of Julia Shugarbaker.

  • Ah, yes, those wonderful "Designing Women"! When Julia told someone off, they were well and thoroughly told off.

    ...though I just rewatched the series finale of "Downton Abbey", and I'm having fun imagining various women there speaking The5thMary's "Eff off and leave me alone, you prick!"

    Lady Violet (the Dowager Duchess) is the obvious choice for a priceless delivery. But I think each of the women in the top couple of tiers of characters could put her own marvelous spin on the line. Better yet: get ALL of them together to surround a creep, yelling and muttering and growling the line.

    (What, me? Issues? ;) )
  • I've had this happen, and it's always a judgement call whether to take pity on the old, old man who is possibly losing it and is not therefore an appropriate target for my venom. (note the "old, old"--a young man trying this shit is right out. He'd better have one foot in the grave and be visibly decrepit--preferably several decades older than me). If I do take pity, it will be something neutral and unrelated to the bullshit he just pulled--something bland like "have a nice day."
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    I remember being jeered at by a group of young men because I happened to be crying as they passed (and therefore 'ugly'). I mentioned this in a discussion on The Ship and had another (male) Shipmate criticise me for sexist stereotyping.

    Where's a brick wall when you need one?
  • Sorry to read you had such an unpleasant experience.

    Asher
  • NOTE: Thx to the men who've posted so far on this thread. You either get it (at least a little bit), or you have the great, good sense to say little. This topic can push a whole lot of buttons for women. (And harassment and #MeToo happen to men, too, and are just as bad.)

    Just a heads-up: with the pandemic; quarantine; the crap in (Wash.) DC; Minneapolis, and Mr. Floyd, and all the fallout; #MeToo, both in daily life and ongoing revelations; etc., I suspect a whole lot of women are really on edge right now and will be for some time. Might be wise for men posting on this thread to post very carefully.
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    This is where our ancestors would have said a chilly "I don't believe we've been introduced" and walked away.

    Yes.

    I was very pretty once upon a time, I never thanked men for compliments - just commented back on some aspect of their appearance. Which always put them on the back foot. :lol:

    I can really see the usefulness of the hijab!

  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    The 'buttons' are the imprints of our past experiences. Unless those have been particularly and extensively negative, they don't usually translate to 'All men are X'. But they do condition us to certain warinesses. I took the lesson never to appear vulnerable in public. And to be unsurprised by behaviours exhibited by groups of young males - 'lads'.

    I don't think this constitutes stereotyping.
  • anoesisanoesis Shipmate
    Once upon a time, not so very long ago, I used to go to the gym three times a week, at a regular time. To give a brief idea of the place, it was very much not fancy, but also not exclusive to grunting troglodytes. Although some people apparently went to socialise, I went to exercise, and never initiated any interactions with anyone - but inevitably, I did, over time, come to recognise regulars who were there at the same times as me, and converse with them a bit.

    One of these regulars was a wiry old guy who I had a bit of a soft spot for, because his accent suggested he came from the same part of 'Lunnon' as my dear departed Dad. Now this guy was the furthest thing from a sleaze that I could possibly imagine, but one day he tried to strike up a conversation with a couple of very young girls who were working on the mats next to us, and they were...reluctant, and awkward, and nonetheless polite while still being reticent, and basically you know exactly the kind of thing. I mean, they were eighteen, or something! Well, this guy wound up by gently scolding them for their manner, and telling them they might as well smile, because it didn't cost anything!

    It it source of ongoing regret to me that I kept quiet, instead of standing up for the right of those girls to just be able to attend the gym to exercise, unmolested - that I didn't tell him that they owed him nothing, not even notice, that it was up to them when they smiled and who they smiled at and why, that it was not their moral duty to ensure that they were pretty and pleasing to every man they might tangentially encounter on their way through life. Because he never tried any of that crap on me, seemed to regard me as a real person, so he might have listened to me, might have learned.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Another (possibly) teachable moment I regret passing up was when I was walking past a group of young men and overheard a remark rating my sexual attractiveness (not very highly). I was then in my forties and thought I had passed into Invisibility.

    I wish I had stopped and pointed out that I was chronologically qualified to be the mother of any of them, and would they now be going to proudly inform their actual mothers that they were now one with the men who had harassed and commented on her (oh yes) in the day (and perhaps yet).
  • finelinefineline Kerygmania Host, 8th Day Host
    Golden Key wrote: »
    Just a heads-up: with the pandemic; quarantine; the crap in (Wash.) DC; Minneapolis, and Mr. Floyd, and all the fallout; #MeToo, both in daily life and ongoing revelations; etc., I suspect a whole lot of women are really on edge right now and will be for some time. Might be wise for men posting on this thread to post very carefully.

    I suspect both plenty of both men and women are feeling on edge. I also imagine plenty of women are glad to have the chance to post here in a strong, unrestrained way, because our voice is often belittled or ignored, with men 'correcting' us, speaking over us, interpreting our lives for us, telling us how we should respond, and this happens a lot on the Ship.

    I'd say as a general thing, not just for this thread, at this time, it would be wise for men to post very carefully. In general, listen to women's perspectives when they talk about these things. Don't assume they're wrong. Don't tell them what they should have done or felt. Don't start mansplaining the situation. Don't start talking about what a great guy you are. Don't make it about you. Just listen, properly listen, try to understand a perspective you may not have considered, and be open to the idea that there are many things you haven't experienced and don't know.

    (Same also for us white people when black people or any ethnic minority talk about their experiences of racism. Whitesplaining is a thing too, and I suspect many of us have done it.)

  • TheOrganistTheOrganist Shipmate
    edited June 2020
    So presumably you'd have leapt in when, newly widowed, we endured endless crap along the lines of "how are you three chaps coping with cooking, cleaning, washing, ironing *" because, obviously, we were incapable of doing day-to-day tasks. The short answer was the same way we "coped" in the 12+ months before she died when no one seemed to question who did the housekeeping :rage:

    Worse have been the crass remarks that, as a single male, I'll have "no trouble" finding a new partner and the very embarrassing offers to warm my lonely bed - unbelievable.

    No, I didn't tell people to f*ck off but it was rampant sexism.

    * delete/expand as you wish
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host, Epiphanies Host
    I suppose there is some comfort in recognising that obnoxious old men will die soon. And so far as put down replies are concerned I am expert at thinking about the perfect cutting response ten minutes after the event is over. And that's very frustrating.

    These days I am bothered about the increasing obnoxious sexism of younger men. We used to talk about 'new men'. These days an increasing number of young men seem to be 'old men'.

    And that's a real problem. It feels like there is a sexist counter-revolution under way. As an old man who has some claim to have both learned the importance of being a 'new man' and made changes in that direction, this baleful counter-revolution bothers me a lot.

    I'm sorry for the BS you continue to experience.
  • MooMoo Kerygmania Host
    I once had a job where my boss was straight from hell. In the middle of the work day I was always very down. I used to go to a sandwich shop at lunchtime. One day the proprietor said to me , "Don't you ever smile?" I know damn well he never said that to any male customer.
  • finelinefineline Kerygmania Host, 8th Day Host
    @TheOrganist - that sounds like an issue that might be worthy of its own Hell thread. Certainly newly-widowed people are often treated very crassly and clumsily by some, with all sort of gender stereotypes, and at a time when people are most sensitive. Maybe several people will want to have a rant.

    It doesn't seem too relevant here, where the issue is more the systemic sexism of a patricharchal society, which has a long history of oppression of women, and women are tired of it. Because your experiences don't change or undermine this - they are a separate issue.

    In the same way, if there was a thread where black people were venting about the systemic racism of society, and the racist shit they deal with on a daily basis, it would be kind of inappropriate and insensitive for white people to turn the conversation to themselves, and the times when some black people were insensitive to them, and made a sweeping stereotype about white people.

    But equally, it's Hell, and if men want to make this all about themselves, and play a 'We're just as oppressed as you' game, I suppose there's nothing to stop them. But I am really not sure what you're after in your post. Are you genuinely spoiling for a fight, wanting to undermine the impact and relevance of male oppression in women's everyday lives, and make it into an oppression competition? Or are you wanting to vent your frustrations and grief about a painful situation where some women were insensitive to you? Because a new thread might be better for the latter.
  • finelinefineline Kerygmania Host, 8th Day Host
    edited June 2020
    The irony of the cooking/cleaning/ironing thing, of course, is that it is a stereotype largely perpetuated by men, and is part of the systemic sexism. Men have historically declared these to be a woman's domain, so schools and families have traditionally followed a pattern where the girls are taught those things. Even in a changing society, plenty of men insist they can't do such things, and even get indignant at the idea that they should try. Plenty of women are exhausted working full time as well as doing all the housework, because their husband won't help with domestic duties. And plenty of newly single men do act all helpless about such things, and welcome help from women. Women internalise all this systemic sexism too, and often enable it. The bigger issue, of course, is the societal values on which these assumptions are based, and how they have been used historically and still now to limit women's opportunities.

    The fact that the stereotypes engendered in societal oppression of women also has a knock-on negative effect on men is all the more reason for men to stand with women against it, rather than see it as an oppression competition.
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host, Epiphanies Host
    fineline wrote: »
    The fact that the stereotypes engendered in societal oppression of women also has a knock-on negative effect on men is all the more reason for men to stand with women against it, rather than see it as an oppression competition.
    This. Competitive bothsidesism just gets in the way.
  • MaryLouiseMaryLouise Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host
    Dealing with micro-aggressions (sexist, racist, homophobic, ageist) is one of the most exhausting aspects of daily life. I find that after years of gritting my teeth and ignoring the insults, compliments-as-insults, insinuations, put-downs etc, I now assess and act fairly quickly. Not often effectively, though.

    To decide on the level of danger isn't easy, even in daylight in public places. Someone rebuffed for a compliment or an advance can turn nasty very quickly and then I have to deal with being followed home or out to a parking lot, verbally threatened or assaulted. People in a crowded place can melt away very quickly at any hint of conflict, so they may not think to call the police or speak up, offer support. I don't know that most men understand the dread that accompanies this kind of experience because fear changes a great deal for women in everyday life. It might be easier to gauge the level of risk with pugnacious or amorous men in a pub, but assessing if the person standing in front of you winking and smirking might be drunk, high on drugs or under-medicated for some behavioral disorder can be crucial in deciding how to manage the situation.

    Much of the time, I don't want the rudeness or intrusive behaviour to escalate. At some point encounters that begin 'innocuously enough' with micro-aggressions can turn violent. That means smiling or laughing in agreement, and saying nothing, walking away as quickly as possible,. Afterwards I feel I should have done more on my own behalf, shut him up, sworn or mocked him. These encounters leave me feeling passive and helpless, furious, determined to do better next time.

    And that is so tricky because most people (and I'm talking here mostly about men) don't realise how they come across in these exchanges. They use micro-aggressions as a learned pattern because that is how they have been socialised, because it lets them feel in control, because it feels satisfying to see a woman flustered or at a loss for words. They don't feel like bullies or predators; they would describe themselves as harmless or a bit of a clown. They 'mean no harm' and they see no reason to change their style in interacting. It works for them.

    Whenever I've turned around with a sarcastic retort or told the man concerned to fuck off, the shock and disbelief shown by the man who addressed me as well as bystanders has made me feel not just that I over-reacted, but that I sounded out of control. Anger in women is often seen as inappropriate and hysterical. And often the man involved then has an opening to pursue me with protestations of innocence or outrage, trying to calm me down, assure me he meant nothing bad, that he's one of the good guys and I should give men a second chance etc. It never ends well.
  • Moo wrote: »
    ....One day the proprietor said to me , "Don't you ever smile?" I know damn well he never said that to any male customer.
    Are you sure? There was a period when I had to endure a lot of that, and not once can I ever recall having the emotional energy - or anger - to hit back. It was better to walk away from it.
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host, Epiphanies Host
    Moo is a wise person. She's got a good eye for most human failings, including condescension. If she says that about a particular proprietor she saw regularly I'd certainly believe her. Regardless of my personal experiences in other contexts.
  • So presumably you'd have leapt in when, newly widowed, we endured endless crap along the lines of "how are you three chaps coping with cooking, cleaning, washing, ironing *" because, obviously, we were incapable of doing day-to-day tasks. The short answer was the same way we "coped" in the 12+ months before she died when no one seemed to question who did the housekeeping :rage:

    Worse have been the crass remarks that, as a single male, I'll have "no trouble" finding a new partner and the very embarrassing offers to warm my lonely bed - unbelievable.

    No, I didn't tell people to f*ck off but it was rampant sexism.

    * delete/expand as you wish

    Ewwww. Pity you didn't tell them to fuck off. As for the bedwarmers, may I suggest a long, slow look from face down to feet then back up from the feet, moving to the face, a short stare--and then a sudden headshake as of complete disbelief, as you turn to walk away--all in complete silence.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    'I have an electric blanket adequate for the purpose, thank you'.
  • Barnabas62 wrote: »
    fineline wrote: »
    The fact that the stereotypes engendered in societal oppression of women also has a knock-on negative effect on men is all the more reason for men to stand with women against it, rather than see it as an oppression competition.
    This. Competitive bothsidesism just gets in the way.

    My personal experience as a man who is husband, brother, parent, uncle, is that yes, this is my experience, if I understand what is meant by "knock on". And I'm particularly sensitive about it all. But I'm a man, so it is isn't about me at all. Parallel: because I have an adopted First Nations sister, black nephews and brother in law, and a Chinese sister in law, doesn't mean I get to claim anything from their experiences of racism. I think the role of me with harassment of women is to not tolerate it from others, and to follow instructions of the women.
  • So presumably you'd have leapt in when, newly widowed, we endured endless crap along the lines of "how are you three chaps coping with cooking, cleaning, washing, ironing *" because, obviously, we were incapable of doing day-to-day tasks. The short answer was the same way we "coped" in the 12+ months before she died when no one seemed to question who did the housekeeping :rage:

    Worse have been the crass remarks that, as a single male, I'll have "no trouble" finding a new partner and the very embarrassing offers to warm my lonely bed - unbelievable.

    No, I didn't tell people to f*ck off but it was rampant sexism.

    * delete/expand as you wish

    @TheOrganist I can't imagine the challenges you and your family faced during your wife's illness and death.

    I'm so sorry to hear that some people were so rude, destructive, hurtful and disrespectful.

    Asher
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Work for what purpose?

    "Thank you" would have been all that was required.

    Thank you? WTF? For what?
  • Honestly, do men in 2020 really think that kind of thing works? Did it *ever* work?

    And does anyone else understand why it irritated the livin' crap out of me? All that was missing was, "Smile! You'll look so much better!"

    Yes, I understand why this is irritating.

    Your obnoxious old man seems to be the retired version of the stereotypical builder, catcalling women from construction sites. I've never understood why men seem to feel the need to do this kind of thing. I'm a man, and this just confuses me. What outcome are they expecting? Do they think being obnoxious is funny? Do they genuinely think this crap is appreciated? Why do they think it's OK to impose themselves on people like this? I'd love to be able to at least explain what's going on in their heads, but it makes no sense to me.

    I recognize that it happens a lot - but I can't explain why.

  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    Enjoy adult Wednesday Addams schooling some young jerks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlIAhjRwOIE
  • I suspect many of the same reasons that men cyber flash (send dick pics), which came up in Epiphanies in the Men's Reproductive Responsibilities thread links and more information here - a mixture of:
    • validation - to boost their own insecurities;
    • because if they keep asking most women will turn them down, but occasionally they'll get a positive response;
    • because they get a kick out of getting a response from women (their own sexual excitement)
    • pride in getting a reaction - a feeling of macho manliness

    There was a great phrase in one of the articles that I suspect applies here: men overestimate women's interest in receiving ... attention from them.
  • finelinefineline Kerygmania Host, 8th Day Host
    Moo wrote: »
    ....One day the proprietor said to me , "Don't you ever smile?" I know damn well he never said that to any male customer.
    Are you sure? There was a period when I had to endure a lot of that, and not once can I ever recall having the emotional energy - or anger - to hit back. It was better to walk away from it.

    In the same way, a woman could say to TheOrganist, 'Are you sure it was about your gender?' and then give the example of how, when she was widowed, neighbours asked if she wanted help with housework, and naively conclude that clearly it's unrelated to gender.

    All these things happen to a small extent to both genders, and can be unrelated to gender. But in addition to that is the whole history of gender stereotyping, where it does happen, and frequently, because of gender. A man has the privilege of knowing that any annoying comment telling him to smile is at least not because of his gender. It is not about any societal assumption that his gender has an obligation to look pretty, which involves smiling and being generally agreeable,

    Similarly we all know there are stereotypes that cooking, cleaning, ironing, etc., are a woman's domain. And those stereotypes will be in play when a man is newly single.

    One of the things men sometimes say, when a woman expresses that random men complimenting her looks is unwelcome, is 'Well, I'd be really pleased and flattered if a woman complimented me on my looks.' As if the woman is somehow ungrateful. The man being completely oblivious to the gender power games and dynamics. In a similar way, I could say that I'd be quite happy if someone (if I were in the position of being newly single - or in general, as I've always been single) asked me how I was coping with housework. People do ask me, in fact, and I appreciate their concern. But this is because I know this is nothing to do with gender stereotypes and assumptions, and everything to do with me as an individual who genuinely struggles with housework and organisation, and am open about that fact. So I don't say 'Well, gee, I'd be grateful and you should have thanked them for your concern,' to TheOrganist, because I understand the gender stereotypes at play, and how it's not the same.

    Now, add to this what MaryLouise said about the very real dangers to women if they do challenge a man's sexist assumptions. This is where the power inequality comes in. If a random woman tells you to smile, or makes some comment about liking your looks, and you tell her to fuck off, you are not likely to be in danger. The power balance is unequal here.

  • finelinefineline Kerygmania Host, 8th Day Host
    Lyda wrote: »
    Enjoy adult Wednesday Addams schooling some young jerks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlIAhjRwOIE

    Brilliant!
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    :+1: :blush:
  • jedijudyjedijudy Heaven Host, 8th Day Host
    As I have gotten older, I find myself becoming more and more intolerant of strangers offering their opinions about my appearance. When I was in my twenties, catcalls and wolf whistles would caused me to blush and rush away. Then, the blushing caused me to be annoyed at myself. Thank goodness, that response seems to have disappeared.

    Just before quarantine took effect, I was walking in the mall when an older man commented on my appearance. The first thing that popped out of my mouth was, "Bless your heart", and I kept going. It is to be hoped that he understood the intent of those words.
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    Lyda wrote: »
    Enjoy adult Wednesday Addams schooling some young jerks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlIAhjRwOIE
    Oh, that's excellent. Thank you.

    When I was a very young woman, and in the midst of a Singularly Bad Day, a man I saw at the time as an old fart (he was probably in his late 40s or early 50s) pulled the, "Hey, sweetie, smile! You're too pretty to look so glum!" crap on me. I snapped, and snarled, "What the hell gives you the right to say that? Fuck off!" I honestly thought he was going to knock me down, he was so angry, complete with arm cocked to punch me out.

    Since then I have worked at not reacting, purely out of physical fear. But, oh, the things I think...


  • I've tried hard to find a clip of a very pertinent "Sex And The City" scene, but none showed up. So I'm going to "replay"/paraphrase it from memory.

    Miranda is walking down a street, and is in a very bad mood. A construction worker cat calls her with a very specific proposition.

    M: You want me to what? And then you're going to do *what*? Ok, right here, right now.

    CW: Hey, take it easy, lady! I'm married!

    M: You're talking to me like that, and you're married? What a gavon!*

    *Italian insult.
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