Respectfully, are you familiar with the Bush v. Gore election mess? If not, please look it up.
Yep, IIRC the army wasn't called in by either side, there was no coup by either side. The courts decided before a time frame that would cause constitutional problems. Both sides abided by the decision.
No reason to think it'd be different this time.
FWIW after the partisan popular but IMO fiasco of the impeachment I was convinced that Trump would win with little real problem. Between Covid-19 & the murder of George Floyd and his reactions I actually think he might lose it by a big margin.
Look at it this way. What do you think he'd prefer:
- to be lauded by his supporters as being cheated out of a second term, PLUS the possibility of being the first(?) President to loose re-election but get elected for a 2nd term in a 3rd election?
- Risk a coup, civil war, imprisonment and confiscation of his business'?
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The failed impeachment looks like a good move now. "You had your chance and you blew it" harmonises well with the increasing recognition that Trump isn't just an establishment disrupter, he is an active fomenter of the continuing chaos.
His latest Twitter storm against his perceived enemies shows up his lack of any kind of political stature. An angry little man, out of his depth.
Very common in fund/evo churches, perhaps especially in independent ones. Normally those pastors/ministers have graduated from seminary, and been properly ordained. (According to the group's protocols.)
My childhood, independent, fundamentalist church generally didn't believe in calling a pastor/minister "Reverend", because only God should be revered. The pastor did sometimes use "Rev. [Name]" in writing. But most people referred to him as "the pastor" or "Pastor [Name]". A pastor is supposed to shepherd their flock...although if there's a bad match between pastor and flock, things can get...difficult. E.g., the pastor there was mostly a scholar, and could take 1 hour for the sermon alone, going through a scripture passage word by word, in the original text.. The congregation was into studying the Bible, memorizing it, etc. Some even took Bible college classes (Greek, Hebrew, etc.) as soon as there was a campus available nearby.
BUT we needed some lighter, "how to be in the world" sermons, and IIRC they were pretty rare. Plus there was the small matter that many people set Sunday dinner/lunch to cook slowly before heading off to church for Sunday school and the service. (E.g., a roast in the oven.) That could get complicated, if it turned out to be a one-hour sermon day. And there were also personality clashes.
Later, I did spend some time at a little church in borrowed space. We had a lay pastor, and he was great. IIRC, he had a good sense of humor. Maybe 25-30 people.
Anyway, here, using "pastor" usually isn't a sign of a fraud or cult leader, any more than "priest" is. And neither of those titles automatically means the clergy person is in the right job, is good at it, is theologically correct (by their group's lights), or is someone you'd want to have dinner with. FWIW.
~~The word of the Key.
{Points convo back in the direction of T's presidency.}
So the fact that a bunch of deluded clergy identified as "pastors" are wildly supporting T doesn't automatically mean they're all like that. I don't know what my old church is currently like (and I'm not going to check, because that would reawaken a lot of old issues, and that's not who I am anymore.) The old congregation might *initially* be somewhat deceived. But they were paying close attention to Jesus' words in the gospels, and watching for signs of the End Times (whenever they might happen). If nothing else, the whole lauding of T as sent by God (despite T's many, many sins that he delights in), and depicting him as the Second Coming, etc...they would absolutely not be happy campers.
The President can overrule the Secret Service. After 911 the Secret Service wanted to keep George W. away from the White House. He finally said enough is enough and went back. I would guess the Secret Service did take Trump to the bunker and he decided to stay. Like Gramps49 I have no problem with him going there, but it is the crazy made up inspection story that makes him look dumb.
99% sure that (s)he can only overrule when (s) is out of immediate danger. I'm pretty certain that when the White House crashes the Secret Service's duty to protect the President takes precedent over the President's immediate wishes. Potus can have them reassigned or an inquiry after the fact of course.
... But there's a third scenario, the one in which Trump insists on being bunkerized, and the Secret Service go along with that, because why not? If in their judgment he is NOT in immediate danger, but he chooses to think otherwise, well, it's not their job to overrule him and make him stay upstairs.
The President can overrule the Secret Service. After 911 the Secret Service wanted to keep George W. away from the White House. He finally said enough is enough and went back. I would guess the Secret Service did take Trump to the bunker and he decided to stay. Like Gramps49 I have no problem with him going there, but it is the crazy made up inspection story that makes him look dumb.
99% sure that (s)he can only overrule when (s) is out of immediate danger. I'm pretty certain that when the White House crashes the Secret Service's duty to protect the President takes precedent over the President's immediate wishes. Potus can have them reassigned or an inquiry after the fact of course.
... But there's a third scenario, the one in which Trump insists on being bunkerized, and the Secret Service go along with that, because why not? If in their judgment he is NOT in immediate danger, but he chooses to think otherwise, well, it's not their job to overrule him and make him stay upstairs.
The President can overrule the Secret Service. After 911 the Secret Service wanted to keep George W. away from the White House. He finally said enough is enough and went back. I would guess the Secret Service did take Trump to the bunker and he decided to stay. Like Gramps49 I have no problem with him going there, but it is the crazy made up inspection story that makes him look dumb.
99% sure that (s)he can only overrule when (s) is out of immediate danger. I'm pretty certain that when the White House crashes the Secret Service's duty to protect the President takes precedent over the President's immediate wishes. Potus can have them reassigned or an inquiry after the fact of course.
... But there's a third scenario, the one in which Trump insists on being bunkerized, and the Secret Service go along with that, because why not? If in their judgment he is NOT in immediate danger, but he chooses to think otherwise, well, it's not their job to overrule him and make him stay upstairs.
If that third scenario is true, that makes him even more of a coward.
NBC is reporting that Mayor Bower of Washington DC has ordered her city employees to paint BLACK LIVES MATTER on 12th Ave, the one leading up to the White House. In addition, I understand the plaza where trump ordered peaceful demonstrators to be tear-gassed and dispursed so he could walk to St. James Church for his petty photo op has been renamed Black Lives Matter Plaza.
This morning he comes out to tout the unexpected job gains* for May saying, George Floyd is smailing down on [him]. Blasphemous.
And the list of Trump's opposition continues to grow. Past Secretaries of Defense have panned him, past Joint Chief of Staffs have derided him, Senators are bailing on him, friends in the House of Representatives are being voted out. Wizard of Id seems to capture the mood of the country today.
Did I mention more Confederate Statues throughout the South are coming down today?
It was Thomas Jefferson that said he thought the United States should have a Revolution every 20 years. This might be one of them.
*Personally, I think the Bureau of Labor statistics are suspect, considering who is the Commissioner of the BLS. William W. Beach is a political hack of DJT. Moreover, I expect there will be a downward revision towards the end of June or July for the May numbers.
NBC is reporting that Mayor Bower of Washington DC has ordered her city employees to paint BLACK LIVES MATTER on 12th Ave, the one leading up to the White House.
16th Street NW. The one that ends at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. 12th Street NW has the Reagan Building on one side and the Trump International Hotel (a.k.a. the Old Post Office Building) on the other.
NBC is reporting that Mayor Bower of Washington DC has ordered her city employees to paint BLACK LIVES MATTER on 12th Ave, the one leading up to the White House. In addition, I understand the plaza where trump ordered peaceful demonstrators to be tear-gassed and dispursed so he could walk to St. James Church for his petty photo op has been renamed Black Lives Matter Plaza.
This morning he comes out to tout the unexpected job gains* for May saying, George Floyd is smailing down on [him]. Blasphemous.
Well, he's a despicable, lying shit for claiming George Floyd is smiling on DT and certainly offensive to his family and his memory but I don't get the blasphemy charge.
And the list of Trump's opposition continues to grow. Past Secretaries of Defense have panned him, past Joint Chief of Staffs have derided him, Senators are bailing on him, friends in the House of Representatives are being voted out. Wizard of Id seems to capture the mood of the country today.
Did I mention more Confederate Statues throughout the South are coming down today?
It was Thomas Jefferson that said he thought the United States should have a Revolution every 20 years. This might be one of them.
*Personally, I think the Bureau of Labor statistics are suspect, considering who is the Commissioner of the BLS. William W. Beach is a political hack of DJT. Moreover, I expect there will be a downward revision towards the end of June or July for the May numbers.
Lots of good news there but it seems like a trickle and may amount to too little to get him out.
Surely someone in BLS with access to the real data could release the true figures if different, and shame anyone officially misrepresenting about them.
Sorry, not buying it. There's no way that someone who was cool with the Republican Party as the party of Jesse Helms and Pat Robertson can suddenly claim to believe that Trump's bible-stunt was a step too far.
I hate to tell you this, the BLS is not lying. Canada also had unexpected job growth in May. Even more surprising and counter-intuitive, in Canada's case, at least, a large proportion were full-time positions. I don't know what to make of it (and I spent 20 years in institutional banking) and so far I haven't heard a plausible explanation from anyone.
I hate to tell you this, the BLS is not lying. Canada also had unexpected job growth in May. Even more surprising and counter-intuitive, in Canada's case, at least, a large proportion were full-time positions. I don't know what to make of it (and I spent 20 years in institutional banking) and so far I haven't heard a plausible explanation from anyone.
@W Hyatt probably has the right idea about certain jurisdictions reopening. A lot of the job growth has happened in sectors most likely to reopen. And this isn't good news as such, more along the lines of not as bad as we'd feared news. "The unemployment rate isn't as far above 13% as we thought it might be" isn't really that good, considering it was under 4% for most of the last two years.
And there is a substantial group of people who have just given up trying to find a job, anywhere from 4 to 10% more.
That's why I usually use the employment-to-population ratio rather than the U3 unemployment numbers. It captures the whole population whether they're looking for work or not.
To illustrate this, here are the last 13 months of the U.S. employment-to-population ratio for the civilian non-institutional population aged 25-54. I use those age brackets (often referred to as "core working age") because they're less affected by government policy changes over the long term, like granting more generous/stingier college benefits, having a draft, or raising/lowering the retirement age.
2019
May 79.9%
Jun 79.5%
Jul79.1%
Aug 79.7%
Sep 80.5%
Oct 80.7%
Nov 80.7%
Dec 80.5%
2020
Jan 80.2%
Feb 80.3%
Mar 79.5% Apr 69.8%
May 71.5%
All numbers from bls.gov. The civilian non-institutional population aged 25-54 is currently about 126 million people, to give you an idea of how many folks we're talking about here.
For comparison, in the employment collapse during the global financial crisis it took about two years for that percentage to fall 5%, from 80% to 75% - only half as far as it fell in just the one month from March to April.
The drop-off and bounce are similar if we look at civilian non-institutional population aged 18-64. That demographic group currently represents 197 million people.
May 2019 73.5%
Apr 2020 62.7%
May 2020 64.6%
The percentages are lower because a significant number of this group are in college or have taken early retirement, but the magnitude of the drop is on par with the core 25-54 group.
I hate to tell you this, the BLS is not lying. Canada also had unexpected job growth in May. Even more surprising and counter-intuitive, in Canada's case, at least, a large proportion were full-time positions. I don't know what to make of it (and I spent 20 years in institutional banking) and so far I haven't heard a plausible explanation from anyone.
@W Hyatt probably has the right idea about certain jurisdictions reopening. A lot of the job growth has happened in sectors most likely to reopen. And this isn't good news as such, more along the lines of not as bad as we'd feared news. "The unemployment rate isn't as far above 13% as we thought it might be" isn't really that good, considering it was under 4% for most of the last two years.
Well, that rationale doesn't apply to Canada. The growth wasn't just month on month after the initial shutdowns, 14 March for Ontario. And, as spotty as the Canadian shutdown has been (i.e., by province and territory individually, as is our constitutional wont), there has been an almost uniform strictness, whether in areas strongly hit (e.g., Ontario), and those lightly touched (e.g., Atlantic provinces), mutatis mutandis. I won't attempt to explain what's happening in the US, but your figures and explanations have no purchase here.
As for Lutherans, we generally get St. Whatsits or Concordia--Lutherans have no imagination, and may have as many as three churches in the same town with the same name (at which point we start referring to "Old Trinity" and the like).
Cross and Crown is a particularly Lutheran church name, is it not?
As for Lutherans, we generally get St. Whatsits or Concordia--Lutherans have no imagination, and may have as many as three churches in the same town with the same name (at which point we start referring to "Old Trinity" and the like).
Cross and Crown is a particularly Lutheran church name, is it not?
Interesting that Cross and Crown was one of the distinctively Lutheran church names I thought of too—aside from Concordia, of course, or Reformation. And yes, @Pigwidgeon, I know of ELCA congregations named Concordia.
I hate to tell you this, the BLS is not lying. Canada also had unexpected job growth in May. Even more surprising and counter-intuitive, in Canada's case, at least, a large proportion were full-time positions. I don't know what to make of it (and I spent 20 years in institutional banking) and so far I haven't heard a plausible explanation from anyone.
Funny, the BLS now admits that it "miscalculated" [read tinkered with] the May numbers. Story here. They are now saying the unemployment rate is closer to 17%.
That's why I asked about why people weren't trying to remove him from office in some sort of discreet way. That press conference sounds like the sort of stuff I'd expect someone in a care home with dementia to come out with.
Gramps49 - the article hedged its bets on whether there was political interference the BLS's miscalculation. Thoughts?
There seems to be something there, reports are just coming out. I imagine as more people look into the calculations there would be more information forthcoming.
Saw a meme this morning with the new fencing around the White House. It has a new name: Chicken Coup.
Clinton's question about Bush Sr. was "Is your life better than it was four years ago?" Biden needs to keep saying something like this anytime he speaks to the public IMHO.
Clinton's question about Bush Sr. was "Is your life better than it was four years ago?" Biden needs to keep saying something like this anytime he speaks to the public IMHO.
Risky.
The only people that slogan would be targeted towards are people who would consider voting Trump or who would consider not voting at all.
It makes you wonder if Biden could/would have been able to have done anything to prevent life being worse now.
The Lincoln Projects new ad Commander or Coward? General Mattis earned his spurs on the battlefield, DJT earned his spurs in a "doctor's" office.
It now appears that when the protestors were approaching the White House last week, Donnie shut off the lights and hid in the bunker. He was not taken to the bunker involuntarily, he wanted to go.
Question: Since the street in front of the White House is has now been designated Black Lives Matter Plaza, does it mean Trump's address is now 1600 Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or is it still 1600 Pennsylvania Ave? Curious minds what to know.
I understand there is a petition before Mayor de Blasio to rename the street in front of Trump Tower in NYC President Barrack H. Obama St and ordering all buildings between 56th and 57th streets--where Trump Tower stands-- to have the address: 725 President Barack H. Obama Avenue, New York, NY 10022. Poetic justice, or is this getting a little vindictive?
George Conway, one of the founders of The Lincoln Project tweeted over the weekend that djt was looking for a new campaign slogan. He decided to help by soliciting suggestions. Here are some of them. There 5,000 plus tweets so I don't hold it against you if you don't go through all of them.
Question: Since the street in front of the White House is has now been designated Black Lives Matter Plaza, does it mean Trump's address is now 1600 Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or is it still 1600 Pennsylvania Ave? Curious minds what to know.
Sadly no. Pennsylvania Avenue is still Pennsylvania Avenue. What was renamed was 16th Street NW between H Street and L Street. 16th Street NW is where the 16 in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue comes from. Sadly American addresses require a numerical indicator, or the White House would be at Black Lives Matter-hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. Doesn't quite roll off the tongue.
Sadly American addresses require a numerical indicator, or the White House would be at Black Lives Matter-hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. Doesn't quite roll off the tongue.
But not all cities base their address numbers on the cross streets. (Phoenix, I'm happy to say, pretty much does.) For instance, Trump Tower's address in New York is 721 Fifth Avenue, but it's located on Fifth Avenue between 56th and 57th Streets.
What drove me crazy living in New York (specifically Manhattan, I can't speak of the other boroughs), is the inconsistency in numbers between one street or avenue and the next. 721 Sixth Avenue, for instance, is between 23rd and 24th Streets.
I do wish the section of Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House could be changed to Black Lives Matter Avenue. All of the White House letterhead could have the old address Sharpied out and the new address written in.
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Yep, IIRC the army wasn't called in by either side, there was no coup by either side. The courts decided before a time frame that would cause constitutional problems. Both sides abided by the decision.
No reason to think it'd be different this time.
FWIW after the partisan popular but IMO fiasco of the impeachment I was convinced that Trump would win with little real problem. Between Covid-19 & the murder of George Floyd and his reactions I actually think he might lose it by a big margin.
Look at it this way. What do you think he'd prefer:
- to be lauded by his supporters as being cheated out of a second term, PLUS the possibility of being the first(?) President to loose re-election but get elected for a 2nd term in a 3rd election?
- Risk a coup, civil war, imprisonment and confiscation of his business'?
His latest Twitter storm against his perceived enemies shows up his lack of any kind of political stature. An angry little man, out of his depth.
Very common in fund/evo churches, perhaps especially in independent ones. Normally those pastors/ministers have graduated from seminary, and been properly ordained. (According to the group's protocols.)
My childhood, independent, fundamentalist church generally didn't believe in calling a pastor/minister "Reverend", because only God should be revered. The pastor did sometimes use "Rev. [Name]" in writing. But most people referred to him as "the pastor" or "Pastor [Name]". A pastor is supposed to shepherd their flock...although if there's a bad match between pastor and flock, things can get...difficult. E.g., the pastor there was mostly a scholar, and could take 1 hour for the sermon alone, going through a scripture passage word by word, in the original text.. The congregation was into studying the Bible, memorizing it, etc. Some even took Bible college classes (Greek, Hebrew, etc.) as soon as there was a campus available nearby.
BUT we needed some lighter, "how to be in the world" sermons, and IIRC they were pretty rare. Plus there was the small matter that many people set Sunday dinner/lunch to cook slowly before heading off to church for Sunday school and the service. (E.g., a roast in the oven.) That could get complicated, if it turned out to be a one-hour sermon day. And there were also personality clashes.
Later, I did spend some time at a little church in borrowed space. We had a lay pastor, and he was great. IIRC, he had a good sense of humor. Maybe 25-30 people.
Anyway, here, using "pastor" usually isn't a sign of a fraud or cult leader, any more than "priest" is. And neither of those titles automatically means the clergy person is in the right job, is good at it, is theologically correct (by their group's lights), or is someone you'd want to have dinner with. FWIW.
~~The word of the Key.
{Points convo back in the direction of T's presidency.}
So the fact that a bunch of deluded clergy identified as "pastors" are wildly supporting T doesn't automatically mean they're all like that. I don't know what my old church is currently like (and I'm not going to check, because that would reawaken a lot of old issues, and that's not who I am anymore.) The old congregation might *initially* be somewhat deceived. But they were paying close attention to Jesus' words in the gospels, and watching for signs of the End Times (whenever they might happen). If nothing else, the whole lauding of T as sent by God (despite T's many, many sins that he delights in), and depicting him as the Second Coming, etc...they would absolutely not be happy campers.
... But there's a third scenario, the one in which Trump insists on being bunkerized, and the Secret Service go along with that, because why not? If in their judgment he is NOT in immediate danger, but he chooses to think otherwise, well, it's not their job to overrule him and make him stay upstairs.
And that is (rumoured to be) what happened.
If that third scenario is true, that makes him even more of a coward.
Wow. Just wow. Both barrels. In the face. Wow.
Ha ha ha.. .. .. LMBO
Donald ! GO TO YOUR ROOM
This morning he comes out to tout the unexpected job gains* for May saying, George Floyd is smailing down on [him]. Blasphemous.
And the list of Trump's opposition continues to grow. Past Secretaries of Defense have panned him, past Joint Chief of Staffs have derided him, Senators are bailing on him, friends in the House of Representatives are being voted out. Wizard of Id seems to capture the mood of the country today.
Did I mention more Confederate Statues throughout the South are coming down today?
It was Thomas Jefferson that said he thought the United States should have a Revolution every 20 years. This might be one of them.
*Personally, I think the Bureau of Labor statistics are suspect, considering who is the Commissioner of the BLS. William W. Beach is a political hack of DJT. Moreover, I expect there will be a downward revision towards the end of June or July for the May numbers.
16th Street NW. The one that ends at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. 12th Street NW has the Reagan Building on one side and the Trump International Hotel (a.k.a. the Old Post Office Building) on the other.
Trump's list of friends would fit on a Post-It note (one of the small ones).
Well, he's a despicable, lying shit for claiming George Floyd is smiling on DT and certainly offensive to his family and his memory but I don't get the blasphemy charge.
Lots of good news there but it seems like a trickle and may amount to too little to get him out.
Surely someone in BLS with access to the real data could release the true figures if different, and shame anyone officially misrepresenting about them.
Sorry, not buying it. There's no way that someone who was cool with the Republican Party as the party of Jesse Helms and Pat Robertson can suddenly claim to believe that Trump's bible-stunt was a step too far.
@W Hyatt probably has the right idea about certain jurisdictions reopening. A lot of the job growth has happened in sectors most likely to reopen. And this isn't good news as such, more along the lines of not as bad as we'd feared news. "The unemployment rate isn't as far above 13% as we thought it might be" isn't really that good, considering it was under 4% for most of the last two years.
That's why I usually use the employment-to-population ratio rather than the U3 unemployment numbers. It captures the whole population whether they're looking for work or not.
To illustrate this, here are the last 13 months of the U.S. employment-to-population ratio for the civilian non-institutional population aged 25-54. I use those age brackets (often referred to as "core working age") because they're less affected by government policy changes over the long term, like granting more generous/stingier college benefits, having a draft, or raising/lowering the retirement age.
2019
May 79.9%
Jun 79.5%
Jul79.1%
Aug 79.7%
Sep 80.5%
Oct 80.7%
Nov 80.7%
Dec 80.5%
2020
Jan 80.2%
Feb 80.3%
Mar 79.5%
Apr 69.8%
May 71.5%
All numbers from bls.gov. The civilian non-institutional population aged 25-54 is currently about 126 million people, to give you an idea of how many folks we're talking about here.
May 2019 73.5%
Apr 2020 62.7%
May 2020 64.6%
The percentages are lower because a significant number of this group are in college or have taken early retirement, but the magnitude of the drop is on par with the core 25-54 group.
Well, that rationale doesn't apply to Canada. The growth wasn't just month on month after the initial shutdowns, 14 March for Ontario. And, as spotty as the Canadian shutdown has been (i.e., by province and territory individually, as is our constitutional wont), there has been an almost uniform strictness, whether in areas strongly hit (e.g., Ontario), and those lightly touched (e.g., Atlantic provinces), mutatis mutandis. I won't attempt to explain what's happening in the US, but your figures and explanations have no purchase here.
Cross and Crown is a particularly Lutheran church name, is it not?
Funny, the BLS now admits that it "miscalculated" [read tinkered with] the May numbers. Story here. They are now saying the unemployment rate is closer to 17%.
What complete, and utter, claptrap, balderdash, and fruitloopery. The man can't even put together a coherent sentence.
Are you sure? Like the UK I'm beginning to think it would all function much better if you got rid of the president/PM.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" (Hanlon's razor)
Ah, but "sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice" (Grey's Law)
There seems to be something there, reports are just coming out. I imagine as more people look into the calculations there would be more information forthcoming.
Saw a meme this morning with the new fencing around the White House. It has a new name: Chicken Coup.
Risky.
The only people that slogan would be targeted towards are people who would consider voting Trump or who would consider not voting at all.
It makes you wonder if Biden could/would have been able to have done anything to prevent life being worse now.
Then cut it up into two or three catchphrases.
Hmmm...I think the pleasure of that depends on *which* theory...
It now appears that when the protestors were approaching the White House last week, Donnie shut off the lights and hid in the bunker. He was not taken to the bunker involuntarily, he wanted to go.
Question: Since the street in front of the White House is has now been designated Black Lives Matter Plaza, does it mean Trump's address is now 1600 Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or is it still 1600 Pennsylvania Ave? Curious minds what to know.
I understand there is a petition before Mayor de Blasio to rename the street in front of Trump Tower in NYC President Barrack H. Obama St and ordering all buildings between 56th and 57th streets--where Trump Tower stands-- to have the address: 725 President Barack H. Obama Avenue, New York, NY 10022. Poetic justice, or is this getting a little vindictive?
Good question 🤔
Sadly no. Pennsylvania Avenue is still Pennsylvania Avenue. What was renamed was 16th Street NW between H Street and L Street. 16th Street NW is where the 16 in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue comes from. Sadly American addresses require a numerical indicator, or the White House would be at Black Lives Matter-hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. Doesn't quite roll off the tongue.
But not all cities base their address numbers on the cross streets. (Phoenix, I'm happy to say, pretty much does.) For instance, Trump Tower's address in New York is 721 Fifth Avenue, but it's located on Fifth Avenue between 56th and 57th Streets.
What drove me crazy living in New York (specifically Manhattan, I can't speak of the other boroughs), is the inconsistency in numbers between one street or avenue and the next. 721 Sixth Avenue, for instance, is between 23rd and 24th Streets.
I do wish the section of Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House could be changed to Black Lives Matter Avenue. All of the White House letterhead could have the old address Sharpied out and the new address written in.