Tell Telford "Shut the f*** up"

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  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Or, the government of today

    This current government have borrowed many billions to give to those unable to work but you chose to ignore it.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited June 2020
    Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    ECraigR wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    ECraigR wrote: »
    Telford is quite odious. I have a hard time believing anyone is mean-spirited enough to believe what he claims to.

    Did that make you feel better?

    Odious, hateful, and dull.

    I'm not the one throwing the insults

    Oldest trick in the book. Be obnoxious politely. But still obnoxious.

    "I think all children should be fed through bacon slicers; people might think this is unnecessary but they haven't weighed up the pros and cons"

    "You sick fuck!"

    "Hmm. Resorting to insults. Clearly you don't have a rational argument."

    All your words, not mine

    I'm reassessing my assessment of your intelligence I made upthread.

    It was too generous. You couldn't grasp a point if it had great big handles on it moulded to the exact shapes of your hands. Why don't you go and spend some time trying to find your arse with both hands? Should keep you occupied for a week or two.
  • Just a wind-up.
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    ECraigR wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    ECraigR wrote: »
    Telford is quite odious. I have a hard time believing anyone is mean-spirited enough to believe what he claims to.

    Did that make you feel better?

    Odious, hateful, and dull.

    I'm not the one throwing the insults

    Oldest trick in the book. Be obnoxious politely. But still obnoxious.

    "I think all children should be fed through bacon slicers; people might think this is unnecessary but they haven't weighed up the pros and cons"

    "You sick fuck!"

    "Hmm. Resorting to insults. Clearly you don't have a rational argument."

    All your words, not mine

    I'm reassessing my assessment of your intelligence I made upthread.

    It was too generous. You couldn't grasp a point if it had great big handles on it moulded to the exact shapes of your hands. Why don't you go and spend some time trying to find your arse with both hands? Should keep you occupied for a week or two.

    Only if you attach a GPS locator beacon to it first. Otherwise we could be waiting months.
  • I studied the history of policing at Uni. Originally U.K. police were armed, then the weapons were removed because the government of the day felt they couldn’t be trusted with them.

    More recently, the effect of the miners strike on U.K. police has been compared to the effect of the Vietnam war on the U.S. Many police officers resigned, years later many nonLondon forces would colloquially say they “weren’t going to do a met” to indicate they were going to do things properly.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host
    I think both the West Midlands police and the Met had (still have) a lot to live down.
  • Telford wrote: »
    Or, the government of today

    This current government have borrowed many billions to give to those unable to work but you chose to ignore it.
    Oh, yeah. They find money to bail out the economy so that the whole system doesn't collapse. A lot of money for their pals in big business. What a wonderful example of the "compassion" of the current government. Bailout schemes that have still left millions without any income, or scrapping by on the pittance that Universal Credit pays (if they managed to navigate the application process designed to be impossible to navigate).

    Where was their compassion towards our health and care services, with many BAME and immigrant staff, when they needed PPE to protect themselves and the people they care for from coronavirus? Compassion shown as they put their ideological obsession with Brexit above joining with other European nations in procuring PPE, and then lie about buying PPE.

    Where is the government compassion towards people who have legally lived in the UK practically their whole lives, but because the government decided to shred a load of records they can no longer provide evidence of their legal status? What compassion towards the Windrush generation?

    Where is the government compassion towards children fleeing conflict, children who have family in the UK they're unable to join? Where is the compassion of the government in raising the allowance paid to asylum seekers by the grand total of £0.26 per day?

    Where is the compassion of the government when they set out rules to protect everyone by slowing the spread of coronavirus, but then wilfully break those by driving 100s of miles to visit family, especially when symptomatic, or turn up to give a speech from the front bench of the Commons while probably sick? Not even enough compassion for other members of Parliament and their own colleagues to stick to the rules and stay home.

    Maybe you can see the compassion of the government in developing a Universal Credit scheme that effectively locks many of the most needy out because they made the application process almost impossible to navigate, especially for those unable to get into their job centre to apply in person. Where is the compassion in a benefits system that penalises those unable to comply 100% with impossible requirements?

    Or, we could ask what compassion there is in a government that insists on unwavering course to a no-deal Brexit when the country is not prepared for this. Or, the compassion shown to farmers by pushing for a trade deal with the US to permit sub-standard food imports that undercut the UKs own farmers working to higher animal welfare, environmental and safety standards. Or ... well, almost anything else this government does.

    Tell me again, how is this government in any way compassionate? I challenge you, even one example ...
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    KarlLB wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    ECraigR wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    ECraigR wrote: »
    Telford is quite odious. I have a hard time believing anyone is mean-spirited enough to believe what he claims to.

    Did that make you feel better?

    Odious, hateful, and dull.

    I'm not the one throwing the insults

    Oldest trick in the book. Be obnoxious politely. But still obnoxious.

    "I think all children should be fed through bacon slicers; people might think this is unnecessary but they haven't weighed up the pros and cons"

    "You sick fuck!"

    "Hmm. Resorting to insults. Clearly you don't have a rational argument."

    All your words, not mine

    I'm reassessing my assessment of your intelligence I made upthread.

    It was too generous. You couldn't grasp a point if it had great big handles on it moulded to the exact shapes of your hands. Why don't you go and spend some time trying to find your arse with both hands? Should keep you occupied for a week or two.

    I see. When you can't offer sensible responses, just spew insults.
    Telford wrote: »
    Or, the government of today

    This current government have borrowed many billions to give to those unable to work but you chose to ignore it.
    Oh, yeah. They find money to bail out the economy so that the whole system doesn't collapse. A lot of money for their pals in big business. What a wonderful example of the "compassion" of the current government. Bailout schemes that have still left millions without any income, or scrapping by on the pittance that Universal Credit pays (if they managed to navigate the application process designed to be impossible to navigate).

    Where was their compassion towards our health and care services, with many BAME and immigrant staff, when they needed PPE to protect themselves and the people they care for from coronavirus? Compassion shown as they put their ideological obsession with Brexit above joining with other European nations in procuring PPE, and then lie about buying PPE.

    Where is the government compassion towards people who have legally lived in the UK practically their whole lives, but because the government decided to shred a load of records they can no longer provide evidence of their legal status? What compassion towards the Windrush generation?

    Where is the government compassion towards children fleeing conflict, children who have family in the UK they're unable to join? Where is the compassion of the government in raising the allowance paid to asylum seekers by the grand total of £0.26 per day?

    Where is the compassion of the government when they set out rules to protect everyone by slowing the spread of coronavirus, but then wilfully break those by driving 100s of miles to visit family, especially when symptomatic, or turn up to give a speech from the front bench of the Commons while probably sick? Not even enough compassion for other members of Parliament and their own colleagues to stick to the rules and stay home.

    Maybe you can see the compassion of the government in developing a Universal Credit scheme that effectively locks many of the most needy out because they made the application process almost impossible to navigate, especially for those unable to get into their job centre to apply in person. Where is the compassion in a benefits system that penalises those unable to comply 100% with impossible requirements?

    Or, we could ask what compassion there is in a government that insists on unwavering course to a no-deal Brexit when the country is not prepared for this. Or, the compassion shown to farmers by pushing for a trade deal with the US to permit sub-standard food imports that undercut the UKs own farmers working to higher animal welfare, environmental and safety standards. Or ... well, almost anything else this government does.

    Tell me again, how is this government in any way compassionate? I challenge you, even one example ...

    Like it or not, the vast majority of tax raised in this country is spent of benefits, old age pensions, supporting the work of councils, foreign aid, free education and free health care etc etc
  • It it time for French taunting now?
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited June 2020
    @Telford - Hell is, amongst other things, for when debate has become like playing chess with a pigeon, as has been mentioned upthread, and all that remains is to curse the damned pigeon.

    For the removal of all possible doubt, you are the pigeon.
  • Telford wrote: »
    Tell me again, how is this government in any way compassionate? I challenge you, even one example ...

    Like it or not, the vast majority of tax raised in this country is spent of benefits, old age pensions, supporting the work of councils, foreign aid, free education and free health care etc etc
    All policies that the current government inherited and would be political suicide to stop funding. Also policies which the government wants to cuts spending for, or extend private management so that they can continue to pour tax-payers money into the management of Serco and other businesses to provide very poor service and value for money.

    So, do you want to try again or just give up on my challenge?

  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host
    For the sake of clarity, here is the percentage breakdown of how taxes were spent in the year ending 5th April 2018:
    Welfare 23.8
    Health 19.9
    State Pensions 12.8
    Education 12.0
    National Debt Interest 6.1
    Defence 5.3
    Public Order & Safety 4.3
    Transport. 4.3
    Business & Industry 2.9
    Government Administration 2.1
    Environment. 1.6
    Culture (e.g. sports, libraries, museums) 1.6
    Housing and utilities (e.g. street lights) 1.6
    Overseas Aid 1.2
    UK Contributions to EU budget 0.7

    Source
  • ExclamationMarkExclamationMark Shipmate
    edited June 2020
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Doc Tor wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    The Police do not attack crowds in the UK.

    That's almost wilfully ignorant. You'd have had to have been living in a cave for the last 50 years to come to that conclusion.

    I have come to the conclusion that you have no idea what you are on about
    Strangely, I've come to the same conclusion (about you, not @Doc Tor who is very well informed about many issues). Is there any subject on which you can express a view that isn't uninformed nonsense?

    I am very well informed about Policing issues and this includes the miners strike.
    More from that same thread that I can't respond to properly there.
    Telford wrote: »
    lilbuddha wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Doc Tor wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    The Police do not attack crowds in the UK.

    That's almost wilfully ignorant. You'd have had to have been living in a cave for the last 50 years to come to that conclusion.

    I have come to the conclusion that you have no idea what you are on about

    Orgreave alone would have proved your original assertion incorrect, as would the actions of the TSG over the years (including the Tomlinson case).

    It was not the Police who started the problems at Orgreave. The probledm originated with the presence of an illegal mob and it was their violence that caused the Police to respond. The horses were used to protect the outnumbered officers
    Rubbish. First, the nature of protest will make it at times illegal. Second, the BBC broadcast events out of order. The police own video shows them charging first.

    All mass picketing was illegal so the mob was illegal and should never have been there.
    The actions of the Conservative government in sacrificing coal mining communities to pursue an ideological drive to break the power of unions to defend the rights of workers was immoral and deserved to be countered by all means necessary, even if that broke the law the same government had passed to make the inevitable consequences of their own policies illegal. When the government has manipulated the law to remove all legal routes to protest against immoral policies then breaking the law is entirely justified. I'd even say that when peaceful options (such as mass picketing) are exhausted violence against injustice is justified. Some laws just need to be broken, especially if they've been enacted for a political purpose such as abusing the rights of workers to organise to protect their own rights.

    If you follow your logic then presumably you would say that it was wrong for women to organise and struggle for universal suffrage, because they were breaking the law. Or, slaves shouldn't have run away, much less rise up in revolt, because that was against the law.

    You clearly don't know that the Police action was supported by the vast majority of the public who re-elected the government at the next opportunity. Scargill was a very poor leader and refused to ballot his membership on strike action.

    Police action was supported by the public simply because they believed the line they were being fed by Central Government. In reality would you support a group of anonymous uniformed men who walked through the streets of your town/village banging riot sticks on riot shields at 5 am?

    It was a come out and show us you're men kind of attitude. Why terrorise children and families?

    The large nationwide (ahem) firm I worked for then took the unprecedented step of telling every branch not to pursue people in those areas for non payment for the duration of the strike. It shows that someone saw a bigger picture. I was given to understand much later, when I was in a position of more seniority, that this approach resisted pressure being applied by Government.

    Your firm realised that you can't get blood out of a stone.

    No - they realised what compassion really looked like. To an extent they still do and are currently the largest in their sector in the world
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    And with an attitude like that long may they continue to be Exclamation Mark.
  • This surprises me:
    BroJames wrote: »
    For the sake of clarity, here is the percentage breakdown of how taxes were spent in the year ending 5th April 2018:
    Welfare 23.8
    <snip>
    State Pensions 12.8
    <snip>
    Source
    Converting those two percentages into numbers to make comparisons easier:
    Welfare -£ 174.4 billion
    State Pensions - £ 93.8 billion

    My understanding was similar to this
    Of the £217 billion spent on welfare payments in 2016-17, around 59 per cent was paid to pensioners, with state pensions the largest single item at £92 billion. Personal tax credits – mostly for families with children – cost £27 billion and housing benefit – three quarters of which is paid to people of working age – cost £23 billion. Together these payments made up around two-thirds of all welfare spending.

    I suspect that the Welfare figure is slightly misleading as according to the 2016-17 figures above, a quarter of housing benefit and personal tax credits were paid to pensioners (the conclusion I draw from three-quarters being paid to people of working age), pension credits and disability payments are also included in that total, so there are monies paid to pensioners included in the welfare figures.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host
    There is a breakdown of what is included in ‘Social protection’ on page 76 in this document (pdf) which is linked from the page where I got the figures from. I haven’t got the time to drill down thoroughly into the figures.
  • And, as this topic has doubtless caused ire as well, I believe that the estimated bill for fraudulently claimed benefits is circa £1bn, whereas the money saved by people not claiming, for whatever reason, benefits they are entitled to, is circa £6bn.

    AG
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    And, as this topic has doubtless caused ire as well, I believe that the estimated bill for fraudulently claimed benefits is circa £1bn, whereas the money saved by people not claiming, for whatever reason, benefits they are entitled to, is circa £6bn.

    AG

    And the sum lost through tax avoidance and evasion...
  • Yes, that's one we should be chasing!
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    Tell me again, how is this government in any way compassionate? I challenge you, even one example ...

    Like it or not, the vast majority of tax raised in this country is spent of benefits, old age pensions, supporting the work of councils, foreign aid, free education and free health care etc etc
    All policies that the current government inherited and would be political suicide to stop funding. Also policies which the government wants to cuts spending for, or extend private management so that they can continue to pour tax-payers money into the management of Serco and other businesses to provide very poor service and value for money.

    So, do you want to try again or just give up on my challenge?
    No need to. I have fully answered it.
    BroJames wrote: »
    For the sake of clarity, here is the percentage breakdown of how taxes were spent in the year ending 5th April 2018:
    Welfare 23.8
    Health 19.9
    State Pensions 12.8
    Education 12.0
    National Debt Interest 6.1
    Defence 5.3
    Public Order & Safety 4.3
    Transport. 4.3
    Business & Industry 2.9
    Government Administration 2.1
    Environment. 1.6
    Culture (e.g. sports, libraries, museums) 1.6
    Housing and utilities (e.g. street lights) 1.6
    Overseas Aid 1.2
    UK Contributions to EU budget 0.7

    Source

    Thanks for that. Very useful.
  • Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Tell me again, how is this government in any way compassionate? I challenge you, even one example ...

    Like it or not, the vast majority of tax raised in this country is spent of benefits, old age pensions, supporting the work of councils, foreign aid, free education and free health care etc etc
    All policies that the current government inherited and would be political suicide to stop funding. Also policies which the government wants to cuts spending for, or extend private management so that they can continue to pour tax-payers money into the management of Serco and other businesses to provide very poor service and value for money.

    So, do you want to try again or just give up on my challenge?
    No need to. I have fully answered it.
    Um, No.

    This is your problem. Not that you express a differing opinion but that you post nonsense.
  • DooneDoone Shipmate
    Bravo, @Alan Cresswell , a super summary!
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Tell me again, how is this government in any way compassionate? I challenge you, even one example ...

    Like it or not, the vast majority of tax raised in this country is spent of benefits, old age pensions, supporting the work of councils, foreign aid, free education and free health care etc etc
    All policies that the current government inherited and would be political suicide to stop funding. Also policies which the government wants to cuts spending for, or extend private management so that they can continue to pour tax-payers money into the management of Serco and other businesses to provide very poor service and value for money.

    So, do you want to try again or just give up on my challenge?
    No need to. I have fully answered it.
    Um, No.

    This is your problem. Not that you express a differing opinion but that you post nonsense.

    Pigeon Strutting. Engagement is a waste of time.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited June 2020
    Who would have thought that a single Pigeon could produce so much sh*t?

    A whole New Town-full...
    :flushed:

    Ah well. At least it's given us some entertainment during lockdown. What's that I hear? The Shropshire Pigeon is being serious...??
    :lol:
    Doone wrote: »
    Bravo, @Alan Cresswell , a super summary!

    Agreed!

  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    edited June 2020
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Tell me again, how is this government in any way compassionate? I challenge you, even one example ...

    Like it or not, the vast majority of tax raised in this country is spent of benefits, old age pensions, supporting the work of councils, foreign aid, free education and free health care etc etc
    All policies that the current government inherited and would be political suicide to stop funding. Also policies which the government wants to cuts spending for, or extend private management so that they can continue to pour tax-payers money into the management of Serco and other businesses to provide very poor service and value for money.

    So, do you want to try again or just give up on my challenge?
    No need to. I have fully answered it.
    Um, No.

    This is your problem. Not that you express a differing opinion but that you post nonsense.

    Wrong. My problem is that I have to contend with the likes of you.
  • No, no.

    You have the choice - as do we all - of simply walking away from this (or any other) thread.
  • Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Tell me again, how is this government in any way compassionate? I challenge you, even one example ...

    Like it or not, the vast majority of tax raised in this country is spent of benefits, old age pensions, supporting the work of councils, foreign aid, free education and free health care etc etc
    All policies that the current government inherited and would be political suicide to stop funding. Also policies which the government wants to cuts spending for, or extend private management so that they can continue to pour tax-payers money into the management of Serco and other businesses to provide very poor service and value for money.

    So, do you want to try again or just give up on my challenge?
    No need to. I have fully answered it.
    Um, No.

    This is your problem. Not that you express a differing opinion but that you post nonsense.

    Wrong. My problem is that I have to contend with the likes of you.

    Off you fuck then. No-one's forcing you to stay here.
  • Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Tell me again, how is this government in any way compassionate? I challenge you, even one example ...

    Like it or not, the vast majority of tax raised in this country is spent of benefits, old age pensions, supporting the work of councils, foreign aid, free education and free health care etc etc
    All policies that the current government inherited and would be political suicide to stop funding. Also policies which the government wants to cuts spending for, or extend private management so that they can continue to pour tax-payers money into the management of Serco and other businesses to provide very poor service and value for money.

    So, do you want to try again or just give up on my challenge?
    No need to. I have fully answered it.
    Um, No.

    This is your problem. Not that you express a differing opinion but that you post nonsense.

    Wrong. My problem is that I have to contend with the likes of you.

    Hee hee.

    This Alien loves attention...

    OTOH, if you really think that then I don't think anyone can help you.

    Hey ho...

    See you next time this thread gets bumped by your arseholic behaviour.

    AFZ
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    No, no.

    You have the choice - as do we all - of simply walking away from this (or any other) thread.

    But I was sent here???
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Tell me again, how is this government in any way compassionate? I challenge you, even one example ...

    Like it or not, the vast majority of tax raised in this country is spent of benefits, old age pensions, supporting the work of councils, foreign aid, free education and free health care etc etc
    All policies that the current government inherited and would be political suicide to stop funding. Also policies which the government wants to cuts spending for, or extend private management so that they can continue to pour tax-payers money into the management of Serco and other businesses to provide very poor service and value for money.

    So, do you want to try again or just give up on my challenge?
    No need to. I have fully answered it.
    Um, No.

    This is your problem. Not that you express a differing opinion but that you post nonsense.

    Wrong. My problem is that I have to contend with the likes of you.

    Off you fuck then. No-one's forcing you to stay here.

    and you!!
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    Telford wrote: »
    Wrong. My problem is that I have to contend with the likes of you.
    Well, actually, you don't. The Ship is an entirely voluntary association.
    Telford wrote: »
    But I was sent here???
    Were you? By whom?

    If you're really interested in serious discussion of the issues, Purgatory is the place - and the Ship has other forums for other purposes. Trust me on this.


  • Rossweisse wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    But I was sent here???
    Were you? By whom?


    Now there's a question for the ages. Clearly, by his (its?) own confession, Telford has been sent here to be an arsehole. What we don't know is whether the culprit is divine (perhaps some kind of test) or infernal (the Adversary fucking with us for shits and giggles). My bet is on the latter, personally. I'm sure I smelled sulphur when he (it?) first appeared.

    A third possibility occurs: there have been a number of instances of chat bots going rogue and adopting the most hideous prejudices. Could we have been subject to one of these? It might explain the failures of comprehension that lead to two or three word replies or longer non-sequiturs.
  • Telford wrote: »
    No, no.

    You have the choice - as do we all - of simply walking away from this (or any other) thread.

    But I was sent here???
    You were invited here. No one forced you to bring your own shovel to dig yourself into an increasingly deeper hole.
  • Huia wrote: »
    And with an attitude like that long may they continue to be Exclamation Mark.

    The fact that I can recall it 35 years later suggests the nature of the approach.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Rossweisse wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Wrong. My problem is that I have to contend with the likes of you.
    Well, actually, you don't. The Ship is an entirely voluntary association.
    Telford wrote: »
    But I was sent here???
    Were you? By whom?

    If you're really interested in serious discussion of the issues, Purgatory is the place - and the Ship has other forums for other purposes. Trust me on this.


    I am always interested in serious discuission and you should have noted that I don't insult other posters
    Rossweisse wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    But I was sent here???
    Were you? By whom?


    Now there's a question for the ages. Clearly, by his (its?) own confession, Telford has been sent here to be an arsehole. What we don't know is whether the culprit is divine (perhaps some kind of test) or infernal (the Adversary fucking with us for shits and giggles). My bet is on the latter, personally. I'm sure I smelled sulphur when he (it?) first appeared.

    A third possibility occurs: there have been a number of instances of chat bots going rogue and adopting the most hideous prejudices. Could we have been subject to one of these? It might explain the failures of comprehension that lead to two or three word replies or longer non-sequiturs.

    Thanks for that. Very useful.
  • Telford wrote: »
    I am always interested in serious discuission …
    The way in which you make claims that are clearly contrary to the evidence and then refuse to engage on those claims suggests otherwise.

    … and you should have noted that I don't insult other posters.
    Yes, you do, in a very passive aggressive manner. And you pretty regularly insult the intelligence of those with whom you claim to be interested in serious discussion.

  • @Telford, you were called to Hell because you don't debate: you assert, you refuse to consider other points of view, you blindly continue to assert the same thing in the face of the evidence, which when you are posting in Purgatory where the guidelines (link) say the board is:
    where your ideas, views and beliefs can be refined
    [a] serious discussion space ... so long as you can stand being challenged [where you should]
    2. Expect to be disagreed with!
    This is how good debate is conducted. Questioning of your opinions should be taken as a compliment about their weight.
    you will continue to be called to Hell if you do not engage within the guidelines.

    As an example of unreasoned assertion, this post on the Policing the Police thread, (link) where you said:
    I am totally satisfied that the tactics of the Police at Orgreave were justified. The decision in 2012 was a betrayal.
    is not debating. Referring to the 2012 self-referral of South Yorkshire Police to the IPCC (Independent Police Complaints Commission) as a betrayal is an *interesting* interpretation of events particularly when the police actions and tactics at Orgreave were queried at the time and have been for the last 3 decades and suggests that you are not allowing your "views and beliefs" to "be refined".

    There was a thread a few months ago that debated hosting in Purgatory which concluded that it was for Shipmates to call other posters for skirting round the rules, so we are not ignoring the hosts and admins calling you here, but trying to work within the Ship guidelines.

    As an aside, I probably did know about the Orgreave pickets at the time*, but have forgotten about it. I have bothered to look up the information and read around it before posting.

    * I went to a wedding in Barnsley in the middle of the miners' strike, one of my university friends marrying his Canadian girlfriend. The fight broke out between the mining and steel-working cousins. Us southerners were on best behaviour.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    edited June 2020
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    I am always interested in serious discuission …
    The way in which you make claims that are clearly contrary to the evidence and then refuse to engage on those claims suggests otherwise.

    … and you should have noted that I don't insult other posters.
    Yes, you do, in a very passive aggressive manner. And you pretty regularly insult the intelligence of those with whom you claim to be interested in serious discussion.

    I disagree with all that so I will withdraw from this thread. Feel free to have the last word if you feel the need to do so.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    I am always interested in serious discuission and you should have noted that I don't insult other posters.

    You insult us all every time you fuck up a serious discussion with your bullshit.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Ruth wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    I am always interested in serious discuission and you should have noted that I don't insult other posters.

    You insult us all every time you fuck up a serious discussion with your bullshit.

    Sorry Ruth.
  • Telford wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    I am always interested in serious discuission …
    The way in which you make claims that are clearly contrary to the evidence and then refuse to engage on those claims suggests otherwise.

    … and you should have noted that I don't insult other posters.
    Yes, you do, in a very passive aggressive manner. And you pretty regularly insult the intelligence of those with whom you claim to be interested in serious discussion.

    I disagree with all that so I will withdraw from this thread. Feel free to have the last word if you feel the need to do so.

    Learn, Telford. Pay attention to what other people are saying and don't just brush it off. When people are complaining about you, that's the time to listen and not try to be cutesy or smarmy or revengey. I have the well-deserved scars to know this, and I know what I am talking about. Don't be so sure you have no flaws. Let yourself learn.
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    edited June 2020
    Telford wrote: »
    But I was sent here???
    Rossweisse wrote:
    Were you? By whom?

    If you're really interested in serious discussion of the issues, Purgatory is the place - and the Ship has other forums for other purposes. Trust me on this.
    "Telford wrote:
    I am always interested in serious discuission and you should have noted that I don't insult other posters.
    Then you ought to be drawn to Purgatory as a moth is to a flame. As the intro to Hell notes, one should not enter here without first donning one's asbestos underwear. Hell is the lone forum in which insults are absolutely acceptable.



  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    mousethief wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    I am always interested in serious discuission …
    The way in which you make claims that are clearly contrary to the evidence and then refuse to engage on those claims suggests otherwise.

    … and you should have noted that I don't insult other posters.
    Yes, you do, in a very passive aggressive manner. And you pretty regularly insult the intelligence of those with whom you claim to be interested in serious discussion.

    I disagree with all that so I will withdraw from this thread. Feel free to have the last word if you feel the need to do so.

    Learn, Telford. Pay attention to what other people are saying and don't just brush it off. When people are complaining about you, that's the time to listen and not try to be cutesy or smarmy or revengey. I have the well-deserved scars to know this, and I know what I am talking about. Don't be so sure you have no flaws. Let yourself learn.

    I have plenty of flaws but I am not revengey. I have already forgiven everyone who has hurt me.
  • Telford wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    I am always interested in serious discuission …
    The way in which you make claims that are clearly contrary to the evidence and then refuse to engage on those claims suggests otherwise.

    … and you should have noted that I don't insult other posters.
    Yes, you do, in a very passive aggressive manner. And you pretty regularly insult the intelligence of those with whom you claim to be interested in serious discussion.

    I disagree with all that so I will withdraw from this thread. Feel free to have the last word if you feel the need to do so.

    You're a lying little sod too.
  • @Arethosemyfeet - is this helpful? Really? Picking on you because you've restarted slinging mud when we were working on moving things on generally.

    Yes, we are supposed to call people to Hell for personal challenges, but for someone reasonably new to the boards, who may not be aware of the culture and the rules of the boards, maybe explaining what the problem is rather the hurling insults is a way to go with Hell threads. Then maybe we can change things rather than entrench problems.

    This most recent post and dog-piling is why so many of us can't call other people to Hell to try and resolve and change things. And I think we need to stop it now.
  • Telford wrote: »
    I have plenty of flaws but I am not revengey. I have already forgiven everyone who has hurt me.

    How about deciding not to hurt people by changing your inept, inaccurate and incomprehensibly tone deaf posting pattern? That would be actually better.
  • @Arethosemyfeet - is this helpful? Really? Picking on you because you've restarted slinging mud when we were working on moving things on generally.

    Yes, we are supposed to call people to Hell for personal challenges, but for someone reasonably new to the boards, who may not be aware of the culture and the rules of the boards, maybe explaining what the problem is rather the hurling insults is a way to go with Hell threads. Then maybe we can change things rather than entrench problems.

    This most recent post and dog-piling is why so many of us can't call other people to Hell to try and resolve and change things. And I think we need to stop it now.

    He said barely a day ago that he was withdrawing from the thread. Now he's back and bullshitting again. If Telford wants to stop having his behaviour called out he can stop doing it. I pointed out he was lying. That is explaining (part of) the problem. Sorry I didn't do it in a touchy-feely enough way for you.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Doc Tor wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    I have plenty of flaws but I am not revengey. I have already forgiven everyone who has hurt me.

    How about deciding not to hurt people by changing your inept, inaccurate and incomprehensibly tone deaf posting pattern? That would be actually better.
    As with most of your posts, I have no idea what you are on about.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    I am always interested in serious discuission …
    The way in which you make claims that are clearly contrary to the evidence and then refuse to engage on those claims suggests otherwise.

    … and you should have noted that I don't insult other posters.
    Yes, you do, in a very passive aggressive manner. And you pretty regularly insult the intelligence of those with whom you claim to be interested in serious discussion.

    I disagree with all that so I will withdraw from this thread. Feel free to have the last word if you feel the need to do so.

    You're a lying little sod too.

    I disagree. I merely forgot what I had previously stated
    @Arethosemyfeet - is this helpful? Really? Picking on you because you've restarted slinging mud when we were working on moving things on generally.

    Yes, we are supposed to call people to Hell for personal challenges, but for someone reasonably new to the boards, who may not be aware of the culture and the rules of the boards, maybe explaining what the problem is rather the hurling insults is a way to go with Hell threads. Then maybe we can change things rather than entrench problems.

    This most recent post and dog-piling is why so many of us can't call other people to Hell to try and resolve and change things. And I think we need to stop it now.

    He said barely a day ago that he was withdrawing from the thread. Now he's back and bullshitting again. If Telford wants to stop having his behaviour called out he can stop doing it. I pointed out he was lying. That is explaining (part of) the problem. Sorry I didn't do it in a touchy-feely enough way for you.

    Already explained. However, I apologise if you were hurt.
    @Arethosemyfeet - is this helpful? Really? Picking on you because you've restarted slinging mud when we were working on moving things on generally.

    Yes, we are supposed to call people to Hell for personal challenges, but for someone reasonably new to the boards, who may not be aware of the culture and the rules of the boards, maybe explaining what the problem is rather the hurling insults is a way to go with Hell threads. Then maybe we can change things rather than entrench problems.

    This most recent post and dog-piling is why so many of us can't call other people to Hell to try and resolve and change things. And I think we need to stop it now.

    I do not hurl insults.
  • Telford wrote: »
    I do not hurl insults.

    "the police don't use violence on peaceful protesters" is far more insulting (insulting our experience and our intelligence) than a forthright "oh do fuck off". So, yes you do hurl insults. If you could understand just this one bit, then that would be progress.
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