Fuck this fucking virus with a fucking farm implement.

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  • Only in the minds of people on the internet who wouldn't know knowledge from movie trivia.
  • When I took the International Baccalaureate back in the dim and distant past it included a compulsory epistemology (theory of knowledge) course - and I believe it still does.

    If some of you have kids who are not in their last to years of school yet - might be worth if seeing if an education provider in your area offers it.

    I've taught Theory of Knowledge, and wasn't that impressed by it.
  • mousethiefmousethief Shipmate
    When I took the International Baccalaureate back in the dim and distant past it included a compulsory epistemology (theory of knowledge) course - and I believe it still does.

    If some of you have kids who are not in their last to years of school yet - might be worth if seeing if an education provider in your area offers it.

    It did when I taught at an IB school way back in 2014.
  • When I took the International Baccalaureate back in the dim and distant past it included a compulsory epistemology (theory of knowledge) course - and I believe it still does.

    If some of you have kids who are not in their last to years of school yet - might be worth if seeing if an education provider in your area offers it.

    I've taught Theory of Knowledge, and wasn't that impressed by it.

    I basically remember it as being taught how to separate value judgements from other kinds of statements, combined with source analysis. It was nothing I’d really been taught elsewhere in the education, except some level of source analysis in History. I thought it was a good idea.
  • As a teacher, it was never made clear what exactly we were supposed to be teaching. I taught it in two different schools and the material was very different.
  • PendragonPendragon Shipmate
    We did Critical Thinking AS in Yr 13 when it was quite new: it was a Friday afternoon option, so as an extra to our A Levels. (My school never did General Studies)
  • Meanwhile, back in virusland...

    I'm negative. As is Master Tor. But our symptoms are playbook Covid19. This does not fill me with confidence that the tests we're getting are accurate enough to do track-and-trace.
  • HeavenlyannieHeavenlyannie Shipmate
    edited May 2020
    Yes, it’s widely acknowledged that there’s about 70% accuracy in positive cases, due to a whole host of factors. I would assume you are positive if you are symptomatic.
    I’ve not had a positive test and I’m certain I had it.
  • ... which is good for guiding your behavior while sick, but doesn't allow you to be any use donating plasma later, alas ... (also negative)
  • mousethiefmousethief Shipmate
    Pendragon wrote: »
    We did Critical Thinking AS in Yr 13 when it was quite new: it was a Friday afternoon option, so as an extra to our A Levels. (My school never did General Studies)

    This makes it sound like critical thinking was invented in your lifetime. :)
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate
    {Pasting in what I just posted on the "Coronavirus" thread in Purg.}
    Golden Key wrote: »
    From Vanity Fair on 5/26/20:
    According to a source, Melania Trump warned the president during their trip to India in February to take the virus response seriously. “He totally blew her off,” the source said. Melania later told people that Trump “only hears what he wants to hear and surrounds himself with yes-people and family,” the source added.

    Whether or not the purpose of Melania's of Melania's warning was the election, everyone's health, or both, she reportedly tried to wake him up, and he wouldn't listen.

    If he had...
  • Amanda B ReckondwythAmanda B Reckondwyth Mystery Worship Editor
    Assault with a deadly weapon?
  • Yeah, I heard about the parties. I wonder if the attendees are only recently "stupid"/thoughtless; or if they're severely fatalistic; or if they've heard that parents used to purposely put their kids around kids with measles, etc., so they'd catch the illness, build immunity, and get it over with; or if this is like some of the dangerous "games" kids sometimes play, like the "choking game"?
  • Ethne AlbaEthne Alba Shipmate
    edited July 2020
    I d go for all three
    And
    They are stupidly, ignorantly selfish
  • I am still (3/4 weeks later) exhausted all the time. Before, I was running a half-marathon a week, plus another run every other day. Despite that it didn't get to my lungs, I can barely manage 10k at a very pedestrian pace.

    And there are people - college aged people - of my acquaintance who remain absolute poleaxed by it. It's a complete lottery as to what symptoms you'll get.
  • HeavenlyannieHeavenlyannie Shipmate
    edited July 2020
    Doc Tor wrote: »
    I am still (3/4 weeks later) exhausted all the time. Before, I was running a half-marathon a week, plus another run every other day. Despite that it didn't get to my lungs, I can barely manage 10k at a very pedestrian pace.

    And there are people - college aged people - of my acquaintance who remain absolute poleaxed by it. It's a complete lottery as to what symptoms you'll get.
    I am 15 weeks later and still have presumed postural tachycardia syndrome (and the related dizziness and brain fog) as a post-viral complication. No sign of it going soon, despite my pulse rate improving with increased fluid intake and exercise. I also did not get pneumonia or any fever during my covid. I’ve had numerous heart and lung investigations (I’ve even had a CT scan of my lungs and an ultrasound of my heart) which are all fine and it is clearly my autonomic nervous system that has gone caput.
  • It's a survivors' club badge I really didn't want.
  • In the last 24 hrs (UK) I have heard three separate people state that they will Never wear a mask.

    When asked, the answers fell somewhere between ‘ it’s all a hoax’ .......&........ ‘I’m healthy and don’t go near anyone who isn’t’

    Oh, and these were otherwise perfectly intelligent people, under the age of fifty.

    There are no words.
  • HeavenlyannieHeavenlyannie Shipmate
    edited July 2020
    I’m 50 with no prior health conditions except mild untreated asthma (which was completely untouched by covid). I caught it from my fit and healthy 15 year old son (whose more severe asthma was also completely unaffected).
  • Doc Tor wrote: »
    And there are people - college aged people - of my acquaintance who remain absolute poleaxed by it. It's a complete lottery as to what symptoms you'll get.

    There's a Broadway actor who's been having horrific symptoms. I won't name him, because the symptoms are rather overwhelming. If anyone wants more info, I've said enough that you should be able to find him in a search.
  • Some of the comments are not so much anti-science, as pre-science. I heard a woman say, I know I'm not ill, so I can't pass it on.
  • q--

    I think there may be several factors to that:

    --Many people are simply overwhelmed by their daily lives: family, finances, debt, work, etc. (Even before the pandemic and before T.) They may simply not be capable of dealing with one more thing. So when T says something that makes sense to them (whether about science or politics), they think "Ok, good enough" and tune out everything else he says and does.

    That isn't necessarily a matter of education.

    --They may not be aware of anyone around them who's sick. And they're used to catching things from people who *are*. So the pre-symptom exposure may not make any sense to them.

    --No offense to doctors, scientists, researchers, etc; but their opinions and results have been all over the map. People are used to that happening with things like nutrition and diet dangers ("eggs are good", "eggs are bad", "eggs can kill you", "actually, eggs can be good for you".

    *And* the same people making pronouncements--including politicians--often speak in technical terms and shop talk. Many/most people don't understand much of that, and may even get something wrong. Being good at science, etc. does *not* necessarily mean a person can communicate with the average person in a helpful way.

    Plus, under stress, people often have far less capacity to understand *anything*. So the message--however accurately stated--gets lost, whether or not a listener is highly educated.

    That's been a problem with California's governor. IMHO, Gavin has mostly been doing a very good job with the pandemic. But he uses college-level words that go right over many/most people's heads, for the reasons I mentioned. There's news that some people are trying to get him to change that.

    IOW, people don't know/understand what's going on--so they make it up as they go along.

    FWIW, YMMV.
  • Amanda B ReckondwythAmanda B Reckondwyth Mystery Worship Editor
    And now a congressman is advocating that the COVID-19 task force be dismantled because it contradicts all the good work that you-know-who is doing to halt the spread of the dread virus.

    Have the nutjobs completely taken over the country?
  • And now a congressman is advocating that the COVID-19 task force be dismantled because it contradicts all the good work that you-know-who is doing to halt the spread of the dread virus.

    Have the nutjobs completely taken over the country?

    Yes. Next question?
  • Question 2:
    When will the dread virus rise up, do everyone a favour, and wipe out the nutjobs running the country?
  • Question 2:
    When will the dread virus rise up, do everyone a favour, and wipe out the nutjobs running the country?

    Never. Papa Nurgle protects his devotees.
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    Question 2:
    When will the dread virus rise up, do everyone a favour, and wipe out the nutjobs running the country?

    Never. Papa Nurgle protects his devotees.

    Watch out, 45! Your Secret Service and campaign staffers must be less devoted than you'd like since they have been alarmingly open to infection. :mask: :warning:

  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    And now a congressman is advocating that the COVID-19 task force be dismantled because it contradicts all the good work that you-know-who is doing to halt the spread of the dread virus.

    Have the nutjobs completely taken over the country?
    Is this a rhetorical question?

  • If T should get Covid (and I'm not wishing it on him!), I suspect he's someone who wouldn't cope well with isolating and being confined to bed.

    So please, someone, take away his cell phone so he can't tweet! Or set up fake places for him to post on, and fake commentary saying how wonderful he is.

    Then we can return to our regular programming. ;)
  • I don't see that University of Alabama saying it's fake news, just that their investigations haven't identified any students involved in these parties. Which could be that it's students at other institutions who are playing the game, or simply that when university authorities start talking to students about these parties the students don't provide the details needed to confirm whether such parties have happened and who might have been present.
  • Given the lunacy which appears to be rife in certain parts of the world in general, it's scary to think that it might NOT be fake news...
    :fearful:
  • Eutychus wrote: »

    I liked the statement that "The University of Alabama... ...are working to educate students." Jolly good idea, I say.
  • Yes, but if their students are behaving as badly as alleged, they're not doing a very good job...
  • ...which is why the school might be covering it up as much as they can...
  • Eutychus wrote: »

    I liked the statement that "The University of Alabama... ...are working to educate students." Jolly good idea, I say.

    It's about time.
  • GwaiGwai Epiphanies Host
    According to Wired the whole covid party is fake news not just the parts denied above.
  • Golden Key wrote: »
    Doc Tor wrote: »
    And there are people - college aged people - of my acquaintance who remain absolute poleaxed by it. It's a complete lottery as to what symptoms you'll get.

    There's a Broadway actor who's been having horrific symptoms. I won't name him, because the symptoms are rather overwhelming. If anyone wants more info, I've said enough that you should be able to find him in a search.

    I'm assuming you mean Nick Cordero. Sad to report he has passed on.
  • Gwai wrote: »
    According to Wired the whole covid party is fake news not just the parts denied above.
    Thank heavens. May this be true.
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    The reason I corrected this was because I believed it. Fact-checking has to apply to the stuff we sort of want to be true because it's so awful, too.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Eutychus wrote: »
    The reason I corrected this was because I believed it. Fact-checking has to apply to the stuff we sort of want to be true because it's so awful, too.

    This needs framing.

    I am convinced that so much tabloid journalism is driven by people's desire to be outraged. The most bonkers stories of "PC gone mad" and "Elf and Safety" are published solely to give people something to rail against. That they're so distorted as to be dishonest is neither here nor there; the people they're designed for "know this sort of thing goes on".
  • Which, I suppose, is why we are afflicted with such *newspapers* as the Daily Wail and the Daily Distress...
    :angry:
  • windsofchange--.

    Yes, Nick Cordero, and I heard he passed.
  • More people behaving badly, madly, and/or murderously:

    "Bayonne: Bus driver left brain dead after being 'attacked over face masks'" (BBC).

    Gaaaa. I've seen mention that the virus can affect the brain. Are people just losing it and doing awful things because of the virus? And/or because of masks, quarantining, and despair? Does the combo of circumstances in the world push exactly the right buttons to push (some) people over the edge?
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    If the BBC can find a way to French-bash, it will. I think the idea must be that reporting bad news from elsewhere distracts attention from troubles nearer to home.
  • Golden Key wrote: »
    More people behaving badly, madly, and/or murderously:

    "Bayonne: Bus driver left brain dead after being 'attacked over face masks'" (BBC).

    Gaaaa. I've seen mention that the virus can affect the brain. Are people just losing it and doing awful things because of the virus? And/or because of masks, quarantining, and despair? Does the combo of circumstances in the world push exactly the right buttons to push (some) people over the edge?

    Embarrassing admission... I saw 'Bayonne' and assumed before reading that it must be in the USA, that is, Bayonne, New Jersey.
  • Amanda B ReckondwythAmanda B Reckondwyth Mystery Worship Editor
    Ditto.
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