Point taken, Eutychus. re BBC French bashing. But it's a real situation. (Covid-related bus-driver/passenger incidents have happened in the US; but this is the most serious I've heard of.)
*I'm* not bashing the French. I'm talking about all the dangerous, stupid things people anywhere are doing related to Covid. (You know, like the things we've been discussing on this thread?)
I'll ask again:
Gaaaa. I've seen mention that the virus can affect the brain. Are people just losing it and doing awful things because of the virus? And/or because of masks, quarantining, and despair? Does the combo of circumstances in the world push exactly the right buttons to push (some) people over the edge?
It's not especially Covid related. The reaction was being asked to a) have a valid bus ticket b) wear a mask. Such attacks, while rare, are unfortunately not unusual even in normal times. This story has no particular news value for a UK audience other than to try and persuade them that riding a bus is France is more dangerous than riding a British one.
It's not especially Covid related. The reaction was being asked to a) have a valid bus ticket b) wear a mask. Such attacks, while rare, are unfortunately not unusual even in normal times. This story has no particular news value for a UK audience other than to try and persuade them that riding a bus is France is more dangerous than riding a British one.
Do you really think it went beyond "this is an unusual thing that has happened, possibly with some relevance to wider events"? Do you think this wouldn't have been reported, and even more prominently, if it had happened on a bus in the UK?
The only relevance it has is that the subject of the altercation was mask-wearing, but the underlying issue isn't covid-related at all to my mind. It's just the latest thing to refuse to comply with and then put the boot in when challenged.
And while this incident has received coverage here, the equivalent incident in the UK would barely get a mention here (although French media has not been entirely innocent of the "look how other countries are coping far worse than we are with Covid" editorial line).
COVID parties as such may be fake news, but they are happening. They're happening in newly reopened venues - after just one week, we've had outbreaks traced to a regular bar and a strip bar. And no joke, I overheard a fellow shopper on their cell phone at the grocery store organizing A FUCKING PUB CRAWL.
I recently read of a crowded party on Fire Island (for those not in the know, a very popular gay destination off Long Island) on the Independence Day holiday, where a video was taken in which one of the attendees boasted of having C-19. (This was in a gay-focussed publication, lest the board think that this was a smear.) Not wearing a mask was the least of the problems. And I can sure you, there were multiple violations of the 2m rule... social distancing has a very different definition there.
That should really lead to a charge of Murder, no?
(I guess it won't, but I expect YSWIM...).
Brain dead is dead. Once life support is turned off breathing and circulation will stop.
Can't speak for French law, but under UK law AIUI - IANAL - a murder charge can stand if the intention was to kill or cause serious injury. Intent can be hard to prove, especially in cases where no weapon was used - I do wish people who think violence is excusable if someone sufficiently annoys them would realise that people can and do die from "getting a bit of a hiding" - or even a single punch. Perhaps they do and don't care, but I hear "if anyone did that to me I'd beat the shit out of them" so often that that would mean we're surrounded by people far too willing to kill.
I do think covid is of course affecting what the media report and how they report it - everything is being seen through covid-tinted lenses, because we are all so hyper-aware of it and the dangers it presents. I actually think in some ways that can be a positive thing - for instance, the focus on post-viral symptoms and illnesses. There have always been previously-healthy, often young people who have developed prolonged or chronic debilitating illness after all kinds of regular viruses that most people recover fine from. Many have a history of years of being disbelieved by other people, and dismissed by doctors as simply anxious, or too sensitive, or it all being in their head - especially things like POTS and chronic fatigue. But now I'm seeing many articles about people who have these symptoms as an after-effect of covid, and how terrible this is - so this makes me hopeful that post-viral illnesses will be taken more seriously in future and more research done.
That should really lead to a charge of Murder, no?
(I guess it won't, but I expect YSWIM...).
Brain dead is dead. Once life support is turned off breathing and circulation will stop.
Can't speak for French law, but under UK law AIUI - IANAL - a murder charge can stand if the intention was to kill or cause serious injury. Intent can be hard to prove, especially in cases where no weapon was used - I do wish people who think violence is excusable if someone sufficiently annoys them would realise that people can and do die from "getting a bit of a hiding" - or even a single punch. Perhaps they do and don't care, but I hear "if anyone did that to me I'd beat the shit out of them" so often that that would mean we're surrounded by people far too willing to kill.
Perhaps we are.
I came across one such aggressive fuckwit whilst shopping this morning (see the TICTH thread in All Saints).
He threatened me with physical assault when I asked him to keep 2 metres away from me - verbal assault occurred, too.
Maybe that's just the way the fuckwit behaves all the time...
I do think covid is of course affecting what the media report and how they report it - everything is being seen through covid-tinted lenses, because we are all so hyper-aware of it and the dangers it presents. I actually think in some ways that can be a positive thing - for instance, the focus on post-viral symptoms and illnesses. There have always been previously-healthy, often young people who have developed prolonged or chronic debilitating illness after all kinds of regular viruses that most people recover fine from. Many have a history of years of being disbelieved by other people, and dismissed by doctors as simply anxious, or too sensitive, or it all being in their head - especially things like POTS and chronic fatigue. But now I'm seeing many articles about people who have these symptoms as an after-effect of covid, and how terrible this is - so this makes me hopeful that post-viral illnesses will be taken more seriously in future and more research done.
Yes, on my second visit to casualty with post-viral POTS symptoms it was clear that the doctor thought I was an anxious patient, probably influenced by my history of bipolar disorder, despite me being clear as to my symptoms. My GPs have been very understanding but it is obvious I know more than them about POTS and I will have to manage my own symptoms. I dread to think what it must be like for a patient without medical knowledge and who is not confident in their opinions.
Yup. Long history with both. I've got Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome (CFIDS / CFS / ME). I purposely go with the long name, because immune system dysfunction is one of my main symptoms.
There's still a lot of disbelief, ignorance, and oddish theories out there, even among docs. If you consider that it's what was once derisively labeled "yuppie flu", you have some idea of how far we've come, and how far we have yet to go. A lot of time was lost. Even the CDC messed up: a few decades back, Congress gave them research money for CFIDS. But the CDC spent it on something else. Congress got wind of it, and called the CDC on the carpet. Not ever a pleasant experience. So they got their act together, because they pretty much had to. They put quite a bit of good info on their site (under "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome", IIRC). Don't know what's currently there.
When I've heard of post-viral fatigue from Covid-19, I've wondered if it will turn out to be something like CFIDS. I hope *not*. If it does, the sufferers may at least be believed a bit more, since so many people have gotten sick. OTOH, given that people try to forget fear and trauma, and there's so much resistance to the idea of a pandemic even existing, post-viral Covid-19 folks may be mocked and disbelieved, too.
:votive:
Then there are the people who have similar ideas about migraines...
:eyeroll:
In case someone may find it helpful, there are lots of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome sites (including the other names for it). And a book that helped me long ago is "When You're Sick And You Don't Know Why". Don't remember the author, and don't know if it's still in print. The author had Lyme disease, but it took years and years to find that out. She had some good stuff to say about going through the process of finding a diagnosis, and living in the meantime.
That should really lead to a charge of Murder, no?
(I guess it won't, but I expect YSWIM...).
Brain dead is dead. Once life support is turned off breathing and circulation will stop.
Can't speak for French law, but under UK law AIUI - IANAL - a murder charge can stand if the intention was to kill or cause serious injury. Intent can be hard to prove, especially in cases where no weapon was used - I do wish people who think violence is excusable if someone sufficiently annoys them would realise that people can and do die from "getting a bit of a hiding" - or even a single punch. Perhaps they do and don't care, but I hear "if anyone did that to me I'd beat the shit out of them" so often that that would mean we're surrounded by people far too willing to kill.
Perhaps we are.
I came across one such aggressive fuckwit whilst shopping this morning (see the TICTH thread in All Saints).
He threatened me with physical assault when I asked him to keep 2 metres away from me - verbal assault occurred, too.
Maybe that's just the way the fuckwit behaves all the time...
Probably. I'd like to see a lot more individuals like this face a court, because it's this sort of thing, not big crimes that happen more rarely, that actually interfere with people's quality of life.
Yes, and maybe (with the benefit of hindsight), I should have asked for the Police to be called.
The shop camera would prove that I had politely, and firmly, asked the fuckwit to move back before he started effing and blinding at me.
Whether he would have been arrested, charged, and eventually convicted, is, of course, an unknown...
Incidentally, about 16 years ago, I was instrumental in foiling a would-be robber in my local Co-Op (he tried to rob the till, assaulting the 8-months pregnant cashier whilst doing so). He was caught, arrested, charged, and (despite pleading Guilty) was sentenced to 4 (yes! four!) years in jug.
FWIW two suspects in the Bayonne attack have been charged with attempted voluntary homicide. If the driver dies (sadly I think it's more a case of when ) the authorities will presumably up the charge to murder. The three other suspects are accused of being accomplices AIUI, but not of attacking the driver directly.
This incident has caused enormous shock in France. The driver's colleagues have walked out on the job (as they are entitled to) and say they won't go back to work at least until the funeral.
COVID-19 is having all sorts of nasty effects not usually seen in viral infections. And even the most mildly affected patients may find themselves suffering from an unpleasant (or even fatal) brain disease.
COVID-19 is having all sorts of nasty effects not usually seen in viral infections. And even the most mildly affected patients may find themselves suffering from an unpleasant (or even fatal) brain disease.
From what friends are saying it isn't that they're not normally seen it's that they're normally ignored. CFS sufferers are torn between joy at post-viral issues being taken seriously and anger that it's taken a global pandemic for people to notice.
Yes, these post-viral disorders are generally not new, my own symptoms match a well established post-viral disorder of Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome and there’s lots of research about that available. What is really shocking is that I have had to self-diagnose and self-treat as doctors, whilst sympathetic, appear unknowledgable. It’s not helped by the diagnostic criteria for the syndrome requiring 6 months of symptoms which doesn’t exactly help in the here and now. I’m an ex-nurse and lecture in health so I am quite able to self-diagnose, monitor symptoms and do my own research (I have had no helpful advice from doctors and have taken to sending them updates to say what I am doing in case it helps them treat others). But bearing in mind my symptoms include exhaustion, tachycardia, very odd breathing and lack of oxygen to the brain, I imagine other patients are even more scared than I am.
I am not surprised about the brain impact, because we know oxygen deprivation can effect the brain, and that cytokine storm (overreaction of the immune system) can cause inflammation and damage to the brain. Essentially, that is akin to saying, being ill enough to require intensive care and/or mechanical ventilation is like to have a known constellation of potential sequalea. (There’s a high chance of ptsd secondary to intensive care for instance.)
I think what is currently less well known, and more of a concern - is whether the virus directly damages the brain. The issues around sense of smell - that seem to linger well beyond the point at which they could reasonably be attributed to nasal congestion - might indicate direct damage / entry into the brain via the olfactory nerve.
Anecdotally delirium seems to be more frequent and longer lasting than might normally be expected - (but it is worth noting neurologists and psychiatrists tend to be using slightly different terminology for the same thing).
Also, the use of steroids to treat the more severe presentation of illness is likely to accompany a more frequent presentation of psychiatric side effects (steroid induced mania for example) at least in the short term.
Wiki on POTS, contains the mildly optimistic statement that: “More than 50% of people whose condition was triggered by a viral infection get better within five years. About 90% improve with treatment.”
I developed POTS symptoms after having mild/moderate covid symptoms for 2 weeks managed at home, and I did not get pneumonia, fever or hypoxia and was not on bed rest.
Note the word ‘improve’, not cure - there’s going to be long term implications.
Just off for a 2 mile walk now wearing compression running leggings (3 months ago I could only walk to the end of the street), and having had my fluids and electrolyte tablets - most people would not know how to manage their symptoms or rehab themselves and no-one is telling them.
POTS is a relatively new diagnostic label, and most health professionals hadn't heard of it a couple of years ago, and plenty still haven't. Medication is still experimental, and there is much still unknown about it - it affects people differently, with different levels of severity too, and the same methods of treatment don't work for all.
There are quite a few online support groups for it, and a lot of people with POTS do plenty of research and share it within the groups, regardless of their background - patients of chronic illness do often become experts on their own condition. I suspect the Wiki page was written by POTS patients, and info will continue to change as more is known. My POTS consultant advised me to join online groups as GPs aren't too knowledgeable! My POTS is related to EDS, so not virus-related. I've had it all my life, so dizziness, blacking out and exhaustion has always been part of my normal, but it got a lot worse with perimenopause - it is often triggered by hormones, which is why a lot of teenage girls get it too. When triggered by hormones, it can improve after the hormonal change (puberty or menopause).
It's hard to have any real statistics on it yet though, as so many people are undiagnosed, and often people are unsure whether their POTS is a result of a virus. In the American POTS groups, they talk about the statistics showing that POTS mainly affects white, high-achieving young women - but given that it's so hard to get a diagnosis, especially in the US where people need money for healthcare, I suspect that is more about that being the privileged subgroup of POTS patients who manage to get diagnoses!
Anyway, from the non-viral POTS perspective, I have been very careful indeed to basically avoid people, only going out for walks in the woods, and the supermarket when it's quiet, as if I were to get covid, it would worsen my autonomic symptoms, and if I needed to be in bed for a couple of weeks, my tolerance for standing would significantly decrease. I'm nervous about returning to work in September (my job is term time only, and already part time because of my health), especially as that will involve taking the bus.
An additional covid related frustration of POTS is that plenty of POTS flare-up symptoms are the same as what are described as covid symptoms. Shortness of breath, fever, dizziness, feeling fluey. Another reason I am completely avoiding people, so when I get those symptoms, I can feel pretty certain that they are highly unlikely to be covid symptoms, and more just my boring old POTS symptoms.
Given my CFIDS / CFS / ME, I decided and my doctor agreed that there's no point in freaking out with worry about whether my symptoms are COVID--for the simple reason that I frequently have many of the same symptoms from CFIDS and other things. If I have severe trouble breathing, *then* I'm supposed to go to the ER (/A & E). I'm not to go get tested at this point, because I'd be waiting in long lines with other people--and I might have more opportunity to catch the virus.
@Golden Key - that makes total sense, and people in the POTS support groups have been saying similar. I had a bit of a freak-out around the beginning of lockdown, where I got a POTS attack in the night, and started thinking it might be covid, and was wondering if I needed to call 111. Then decided to wait it out, and it went away after an hour or two, as these attacks do, and I reminded myself that this is part of my normal, but then wondered how on earth I would be able to tell if I got covid symptoms. I'm glad the symptom about sense of smell was added, as I always have a very sensitive sense of smell, so if I lose that, then that will definitely be something different from my normal.
Do you not have postal testing? Here in the UK, people can get a self-test thing sent to them, and they do the test on themselves and send it back. Though a friend of mine went to one of the testing places, and she said she was literally the only person there - she'd been expecting queues, but nothing.
Your award is, inevitably, a backhanded suggestion to take the living-and-or-coping-with aspects of various post-Covid conditions over to All Saints, where they'll greet you with open arms (AS hosts LOVE the traffic. Hell hosts, eh, not so much...)
Also a note to add that while various interventions and regimes might work for you, they may not work for others: medical stories are fine, but medical advice is beyond our remit.
Yep ... traditional academic seminar: someone gives a talk on what they've been doing, answers a few questions then everyone marches down to the pub for the serious business of networking. Move online and the drinking starts before the talk.
Yep ... traditional academic seminar: someone gives a talk on what they've been doing, answers a few questions then everyone marches down to the pub for the serious business of networking. Move online and the drinking starts before the talk.
Judging from some of the senior academics when I was at university, whose idea of lunch was four pints (that was their idea of afternoon tea as well, before driving home), I suspect drinking before the talk long predates Zoom.
In grad school I had a very senior professor, Welsh Methodist, who was, I'm convinced, permanently sozzled. It didn't seem to impair him, professionally - in fact, he was quite good - but it was slightly comic but not pleasant to behold. I rather wished that he had signed the pledge.
FWIW two suspects in the Bayonne attack have been charged with attempted voluntary homicide. If the driver dies (sadly I think it's more a case of when ) the authorities will presumably up the charge to murder. The three other suspects are accused of being accomplices AIUI, but not of attacking the driver directly.
This incident has caused enormous shock in France. The driver's colleagues have walked out on the job (as they are entitled to) and say they won't go back to work at least until the funeral.
The driver has had his life-support switched off, at the request of his daughter, and, according to a Guardian report, those who assaulted him may now be charged with murder.
I received a call from my family doctor's office today, informing me that the doctor I took my APs to May 4 is in ICU with Covid-19. Therefore, we three get to go tomorrow for tests.
I'm pretty annoyed. I was surprised the doctor who treated Mom and Dad did not wear a mask that visit. He made mention that all the concerns about the virus was just 'hype'.
I'm really annoyed at myself. I should have requested the doctor put a mask on for the sake of my elderly parents. We three had ours on.
A follow up on the doctor who exposed my parents and me to the virus; May 4th, he was a practicing family doctor. After becoming ill, he was in the ICU on a ventilator for months. Now, he can't even sit up. In spite of much physical therapy, his core strength is gone. He has also lost his thinking capacity. He does not recognize his wife. All because he was not taking the information about Covid-19 seriously.
I'm still angry that he exposed us to that vile disease, but I'm horrified at the consequences to him and his loved ones.
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*I'm* not bashing the French. I'm talking about all the dangerous, stupid things people anywhere are doing related to Covid. (You know, like the things we've been discussing on this thread?)
I'll ask again:
Do you really think it went beyond "this is an unusual thing that has happened, possibly with some relevance to wider events"? Do you think this wouldn't have been reported, and even more prominently, if it had happened on a bus in the UK?
And while this incident has received coverage here, the equivalent incident in the UK would barely get a mention here (although French media has not been entirely innocent of the "look how other countries are coping far worse than we are with Covid" editorial line).
(I guess it won't, but I expect YSWIM...).
Brain dead is dead. Once life support is turned off breathing and circulation will stop.
Can't speak for French law, but under UK law AIUI - IANAL - a murder charge can stand if the intention was to kill or cause serious injury. Intent can be hard to prove, especially in cases where no weapon was used - I do wish people who think violence is excusable if someone sufficiently annoys them would realise that people can and do die from "getting a bit of a hiding" - or even a single punch. Perhaps they do and don't care, but I hear "if anyone did that to me I'd beat the shit out of them" so often that that would mean we're surrounded by people far too willing to kill.
Perhaps we are.
I came across one such aggressive fuckwit whilst shopping this morning (see the TICTH thread in All Saints).
He threatened me with physical assault when I asked him to keep 2 metres away from me - verbal assault occurred, too.
Maybe that's just the way the fuckwit behaves all the time...
Yup. Long history with both. I've got Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome (CFIDS / CFS / ME). I purposely go with the long name, because immune system dysfunction is one of my main symptoms.
There's still a lot of disbelief, ignorance, and oddish theories out there, even among docs. If you consider that it's what was once derisively labeled "yuppie flu", you have some idea of how far we've come, and how far we have yet to go. A lot of time was lost. Even the CDC messed up: a few decades back, Congress gave them research money for CFIDS. But the CDC spent it on something else. Congress got wind of it, and called the CDC on the carpet. Not ever a pleasant experience. So they got their act together, because they pretty much had to. They put quite a bit of good info on their site (under "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome", IIRC). Don't know what's currently there.
When I've heard of post-viral fatigue from Covid-19, I've wondered if it will turn out to be something like CFIDS. I hope *not*. If it does, the sufferers may at least be believed a bit more, since so many people have gotten sick. OTOH, given that people try to forget fear and trauma, and there's so much resistance to the idea of a pandemic even existing, post-viral Covid-19 folks may be mocked and disbelieved, too.
:votive:
Then there are the people who have similar ideas about migraines...
:eyeroll:
In case someone may find it helpful, there are lots of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome sites (including the other names for it). And a book that helped me long ago is "When You're Sick And You Don't Know Why". Don't remember the author, and don't know if it's still in print. The author had Lyme disease, but it took years and years to find that out. She had some good stuff to say about going through the process of finding a diagnosis, and living in the meantime.
Probably. I'd like to see a lot more individuals like this face a court, because it's this sort of thing, not big crimes that happen more rarely, that actually interfere with people's quality of life.
The shop camera would prove that I had politely, and firmly, asked the fuckwit to move back before he started effing and blinding at me.
Whether he would have been arrested, charged, and eventually convicted, is, of course, an unknown...
Incidentally, about 16 years ago, I was instrumental in foiling a would-be robber in my local Co-Op (he tried to rob the till, assaulting the 8-months pregnant cashier whilst doing so). He was caught, arrested, charged, and (despite pleading Guilty) was sentenced to 4 (yes! four!) years in jug.
This incident has caused enormous shock in France. The driver's colleagues have walked out on the job (as they are entitled to) and say they won't go back to work at least until the funeral.
From what friends are saying it isn't that they're not normally seen it's that they're normally ignored. CFS sufferers are torn between joy at post-viral issues being taken seriously and anger that it's taken a global pandemic for people to notice.
I think what is currently less well known, and more of a concern - is whether the virus directly damages the brain. The issues around sense of smell - that seem to linger well beyond the point at which they could reasonably be attributed to nasal congestion - might indicate direct damage / entry into the brain via the olfactory nerve.
Anecdotally delirium seems to be more frequent and longer lasting than might normally be expected - (but it is worth noting neurologists and psychiatrists tend to be using slightly different terminology for the same thing).
Also, the use of steroids to treat the more severe presentation of illness is likely to accompany a more frequent presentation of psychiatric side effects (steroid induced mania for example) at least in the short term.
Note the word ‘improve’, not cure - there’s going to be long term implications.
There are quite a few online support groups for it, and a lot of people with POTS do plenty of research and share it within the groups, regardless of their background - patients of chronic illness do often become experts on their own condition. I suspect the Wiki page was written by POTS patients, and info will continue to change as more is known. My POTS consultant advised me to join online groups as GPs aren't too knowledgeable! My POTS is related to EDS, so not virus-related. I've had it all my life, so dizziness, blacking out and exhaustion has always been part of my normal, but it got a lot worse with perimenopause - it is often triggered by hormones, which is why a lot of teenage girls get it too. When triggered by hormones, it can improve after the hormonal change (puberty or menopause).
It's hard to have any real statistics on it yet though, as so many people are undiagnosed, and often people are unsure whether their POTS is a result of a virus. In the American POTS groups, they talk about the statistics showing that POTS mainly affects white, high-achieving young women - but given that it's so hard to get a diagnosis, especially in the US where people need money for healthcare, I suspect that is more about that being the privileged subgroup of POTS patients who manage to get diagnoses!
Anyway, from the non-viral POTS perspective, I have been very careful indeed to basically avoid people, only going out for walks in the woods, and the supermarket when it's quiet, as if I were to get covid, it would worsen my autonomic symptoms, and if I needed to be in bed for a couple of weeks, my tolerance for standing would significantly decrease. I'm nervous about returning to work in September (my job is term time only, and already part time because of my health), especially as that will involve taking the bus.
An additional covid related frustration of POTS is that plenty of POTS flare-up symptoms are the same as what are described as covid symptoms. Shortness of breath, fever, dizziness, feeling fluey. Another reason I am completely avoiding people, so when I get those symptoms, I can feel pretty certain that they are highly unlikely to be covid symptoms, and more just my boring old POTS symptoms.
Given my CFIDS / CFS / ME, I decided and my doctor agreed that there's no point in freaking out with worry about whether my symptoms are COVID--for the simple reason that I frequently have many of the same symptoms from CFIDS and other things. If I have severe trouble breathing, *then* I'm supposed to go to the ER (/A & E). I'm not to go get tested at this point, because I'd be waiting in long lines with other people--and I might have more opportunity to catch the virus.
Do you not have postal testing? Here in the UK, people can get a self-test thing sent to them, and they do the test on themselves and send it back. Though a friend of mine went to one of the testing places, and she said she was literally the only person there - she'd been expecting queues, but nothing.
Not to make light of a serious situation, but a phrase like that is surely worthy of some sort of award.
Also a note to add that while various interventions and regimes might work for you, they may not work for others: medical stories are fine, but medical advice is beyond our remit.
Resume your ranting.
DT
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Sorry, I have been in too many academic webinars recently.
I read that as 'academic winebars'.
Judging from some of the senior academics when I was at university, whose idea of lunch was four pints (that was their idea of afternoon tea as well, before driving home), I suspect drinking before the talk long predates Zoom.
The driver has had his life-support switched off, at the request of his daughter, and, according to a Guardian report, those who assaulted him may now be charged with murder.
It can also be a symptom of seasonal allergies, and who knows what else? This is territory for experts!
Even (or especially) the experts are on a very steep learning-curve...
Apart from anything else I doubt it's clear yet whether the brain effects are from the virus itself or the associated oxygen deprivation.
A follow up on the doctor who exposed my parents and me to the virus; May 4th, he was a practicing family doctor. After becoming ill, he was in the ICU on a ventilator for months. Now, he can't even sit up. In spite of much physical therapy, his core strength is gone. He has also lost his thinking capacity. He does not recognize his wife. All because he was not taking the information about Covid-19 seriously.
I'm still angry that he exposed us to that vile disease, but I'm horrified at the consequences to him and his loved ones.
It is shocking. It's come quite close to home for you.