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  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host
    In NRSVA the ‘A’ refers to Anglicised spellings and other minor adjustments - words such as plough/plow, axe/ax come to mind.
  • GalilitGalilit Shipmate
    Anglicised (with an s not a z)
  • Thanks.

    And honour/honor I suppose.
  • ZappaZappa Ecclesiantics Host
    Zappa wrote: »
    I'm simply delighted to find other NRSVA users in the world :smiley:

    We normally use the NRSV. Does the final A refer to the spelling or something else? <snip>

    Spelling and grammar. Returns "u"s and "and"s and "to"s (and other conjunctions) to their rightful place :wink:

    "Jesus said Sunday" (not a quote) becomes "Jesus said on Sunday"
    "Four hundred eighty five" (not a quote) becomes "four hundred and eighty five"
    "for I wrote you" (2 Cor 2:4. from yesterday's evening office readings) becomes "for I wrote to you"

    et cetera

    I've only seen it online (Gateway) so haven't seen a print copy. And of course I use the NRSVACE ... New Revised Standard Version Anglicised Catholic Edition ... because it replaces those juicy bits the Protestants declined
  • Zappa wrote: »
    Zappa wrote: »
    I'm simply delighted to find other NRSVA users in the world :smiley:

    We normally use the NRSV. Does the final A refer to the spelling or something else? <snip>

    Spelling and grammar. Returns "u"s and "and"s and "to"s (and other conjunctions) to their rightful place :wink:

    "Jesus said Sunday" (not a quote) becomes "Jesus said on Sunday"
    "Four hundred eighty five" (not a quote) becomes "four hundred and eighty five"
    "for I wrote you" (2 Cor 2:4. from yesterday's evening office readings) becomes "for I wrote to you"

    et cetera

    I've only seen it online (Gateway) so haven't seen a print copy. And of course I use the NRSVACE ... New Revised Standard Version Anglicised Catholic Edition ... because it replaces those juicy bits the Protestants declined

    My go-to paper editions are NRSV Anglicized [sic] Edition with Cross-References & Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical Books and REB with Apocrypha.
  • ZappaZappa Ecclesiantics Host
    Oh, the NRSVAECFADBREBA?
  • GalilitGalilit Shipmate
    Yes, the edition with the exotic mountain-goat-skin binding
  • Zappa wrote: »
    Oh, the NRSVAECFADBREBA?

    That's broadly what I say if one of them drops on my toe, yes.
  • ZappaZappa Ecclesiantics Host
    :mrgreen:
  • CyprianCyprian Shipmate
    Zappa wrote: »
    Zappa wrote: »
    I'm simply delighted to find other NRSVA users in the world :smiley:

    We normally use the NRSV. Does the final A refer to the spelling or something else? <snip>

    Spelling and grammar. Returns "u"s and "and"s and "to"s (and other conjunctions) to their rightful place :wink:

    "Jesus said Sunday" (not a quote) becomes "Jesus said on Sunday"
    "Four hundred eighty five" (not a quote) becomes "four hundred and eighty five"
    "for I wrote you" (2 Cor 2:4. from yesterday's evening office readings) becomes "for I wrote to you"

    et cetera

    I've only seen it online (Gateway) so haven't seen a print copy. And of course I use the NRSVACE ... New Revised Standard Version Anglicised Catholic Edition ... because it replaces those juicy bits the Protestants declined

    I wish there were an equivalent for the Orthodox Study Bible. I would add that it replaces those juicy bits the Catholics declined but I realise there are other Orthodox who could easily win the one-upmanship game over us with 4th Maccabees and the Book of Enoch. So I'll just accept it for what it is. :smile:
  • ChoristerChorister Shipmate
    How has worship live stream turned into spelling and grammar pedantry? Oh the twisted torturous weaving of Shipping routes! Meanwhile, for those who like to sail in calmer waters, with quiet music playing in the background, I bring you the choral version of Evensong (remember that?) from a place which doesn't still have a ban on singing together. I quite welled up when I saw the glory of a choir processing in and starting to sing. Maybe one day it will happen again here too...
  • Thanks @Chorister - yes, quite a blast from the past! I fear it may be some time before we see such services again in this country.

    I haven't watched all of it (the service is over an hour long), but I didn't realise that Guernsey was so different in practice from England. There are sounds as of a large congregation, off-screen, too...

    I assume that the States of Guernsey have issued their own local guidelines etc. in respect of Covid-19 - perhaps a Shipmate from the Channel Islands (should there be such an one among us) can elucidate?
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Not much social distancing there.
  • Well, no - but the Channel Islands are (as far as England is concerned) Terrae Incognitae, Where Be Dragons...

    The Anglican parishes are part of the Church of England, but it does look as though the draconian restrictions on this side of the Channel don't apply there.

    BTW, it occurred to me to check the date of the service, and yes, it was last Sunday (12th July)

  • I assume that the States of Guernsey have issued their own local guidelines etc. in respect of Covid-19

    Google is your friend. I think this: https://covid19.gov.gg/ is what you seek. Most important seem to be "Known active cases - 0" and "There have been no new confirmed cases of COVID-19 within the Bailiwick for 79 days."
  • ForthviewForthview Shipmate
    Guernsey has been free of Covid 19 for quite some time. It is also cut off from the outside world apart from essential delivery services. Social distancing is not mandatory there now.
    But an outsider cannot go there on holiday nor can a Guernsey inhabitant leave the island (apart from emergencies ) AND apart from going to the Isle of Man. The States of Guernsey have concluded an airbridge with the Isle of Man and only the Isle of Man..

    The quite separate Bailiwick of Jersey has opened up its frontiers, possibly because tourism plays a bigger part in the economy of the island. People arriving from outside in the island have to be tested on arrival and self isolate until they get news of a negative result to the test. Unfortunately there were red faces all round recently when just before the arrival of a boat from England the testers had declared that their shift was over and gone home.
    Another problem was that the newly started regular service to St Malo (France) was stymied because of difficulties with stevedores in the port of St Malo. Passenger traffic has just started this weekend, but freight services are still suspended.
  • Thank you, both.

    What's all this Nonsense about a 'United Kingdom'? These off-islands seem to be running themselves quite nicely as independent states!
    :wink:

    But I'm glad to hear that Guernsey is Covid-free...something Little England might not be able to claim for some time yet, alas.
  • CathscatsCathscats Shipmate
    Not sure that these islands (Channel Islands or the Isle of Man) are counted as UK. In fact I am pretty sure they are not. Just because they speak English doesn’t mean......
  • angloidangloid Shipmate
    Cathscats wrote: »
    Not sure that these islands (Channel Islands or the Isle of Man) are counted as UK. In fact I am pretty sure they are not. Just because they speak English doesn’t mean......

    They're not. And presumably Brexit doesn't affect them because they were never in the EU in the first place.
  • ForthviewForthview Shipmate
    Indeed their link with the UK is that they recognise the English monarch as the Duke of Normandy. The Duke of Normandy (aka the Queen) provides military support to his/ her fiefdom and accepts the loyalty and homage of the two Bailiffs (Jersey and Guernsey )
    The islands are indeed not part of the EU (not just since Brexit) and can pick and cjoose who comes there and who stays there.
  • Well, thank you again - I stand corrected!
    :open_mouth:
  • That brought back memories - Mrs BA and I worshipped there several years ago. My great-great grandfather was baptised in the Town Church in 1831 and spent his childhood on the island before he and my great-great grandmother married in the Wesleyan Church, which is now a private residence. They emigrated to Victoria, as did many Guernesiaise, during the 1850's gold rush years.
  • PDRPDR Shipmate
    Cathscats wrote: »
    Not sure that these islands (Channel Islands or the Isle of Man) are counted as UK. In fact I am pretty sure they are not. Just because they speak English doesn’t mean......

    The Isle of Man is really odd. Their rulers were client kings of Norway until 1254; Scotland until 1331; and thereafter England until 1534 when the title was changed from King of Man to Lord of Mann to stop Harry the Eighth popping his cork. The Lords of Man in the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries were the Stanley Earls of Derby, and then the Murray Dukes of Athol, with the crown buying the Lordship of Man in 1765 to reduce the amount of smuggling.

    The diocese of Sodor and Man was in the Province of Nidaros until the 15th century, then no-one quite knew who they belonged to until Good Fat Henry incorporated them into the Province of York in either 1534 or 1543. Even then they retained their own Convocation and Canon Law.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Cathscats wrote: »
    Not sure that these islands (Channel Islands or the Isle of Man) are counted as UK. In fact I am pretty sure they are not. Just because they speak English doesn’t mean......

    You're quite right - they are not part of the UK.
  • PDR wrote: »
    The diocese of Sodor and Man was in the Province of Nidaros until the 15th century, then no-one quite knew who they belonged to until Good Fat Henry incorporated them into the Province of York in either 1534 or 1543. Even then they retained their own Convocation and Canon Law.

    And just to further complicate things, despite being Sodor and Man the diocese no longer contains most of Sodor, these being the Hebrides and part of the diocese of Argyll and The Isles.
  • I never knew where Sodor was (except in the title Sodor and Man). But at least I knew it was a real place, not one inhabited by talking trains.
  • Cathscats wrote: »
    I never knew where Sodor was (except in the title Sodor and Man). But at least I knew it was a real place, not one inhabited by talking trains.

    I do keep an eye out for talking trains, not least because it would probably net me early retirement on health grounds, but haven't spotted any yet.
  • Although they are not officially part of the UK (they send no representatives to the UK parliament) most of the inhabitants would count themselves as British.
    Car number plates in the bailiwick of Jersey indicate their nationality as GBJ.
    Until Napoleonic times most of the inhabitants would have spoken a dialect of French (in the sense that most English people would have spoken various dialects of English.)
    This changed with a big influx of British troops to defend the Islands against possible French attacks - many, particularly the Irish, stayed and with increased facility of transport ,English gradually became the dominant language.
    Over the last 30 years the traditional pursuits of agriculture ,dairy,potatoes and tomatoes have become less important and St Helier anyway has become an immense offshore financial centre.
    You will hear a lot of French ,obviously but that is mainly from visitors from nearby France, French agricultural workers having all but disappeared.

    By contrast the governments of both bailiwicks, Jersey and Guernsey, are making efforts not to lose completely both Jersey and Guernsey French.
  • PDRPDR Shipmate
    PDR wrote: »
    The diocese of Sodor and Man was in the Province of Nidaros until the 15th century, then no-one quite knew who they belonged to until Good Fat Henry incorporated them into the Province of York in either 1534 or 1543. Even then they retained their own Convocation and Canon Law.

    And just to further complicate things, despite being Sodor and Man the diocese no longer contains most of Sodor, these being the Hebrides and part of the diocese of Argyll and The Isles.

    The 'and Man' was added in the 17th century as the memory faded that Man had, like the Hebrides, been one of the southern isles - 'Sudreyjar.' The Scottish diocese of 'The Isles' is basically that bit of Sodor that remained under Scottish control after 1331.
  • PDR wrote: »
    PDR wrote: »
    The diocese of Sodor and Man was in the Province of Nidaros until the 15th century, then no-one quite knew who they belonged to until Good Fat Henry incorporated them into the Province of York in either 1534 or 1543. Even then they retained their own Convocation and Canon Law.

    And just to further complicate things, despite being Sodor and Man the diocese no longer contains most of Sodor, these being the Hebrides and part of the diocese of Argyll and The Isles.

    The 'and Man' was added in the 17th century as the memory faded that Man had, like the Hebrides, been one of the southern isles - 'Sudreyjar.' The Scottish diocese of 'The Isles' is basically that bit of Sodor that remained under Scottish control after 1331.

    Indeed.
  • A bit like the French diocese of Coutances et les Iles which included as 'les Iles' Jersey and Guernsey etc.
    Even after the English Reformation the bishop of Coutances came calling at the English court seeking his episcopal dues. It wasn't until later that the islands were placed ecclesiastically under the supervision of the bishop of Winchester.
    Nowadays the only islands of that archipelago under the bishop of Coutances are the Chausey islands which are administratively part of the commune of Granville in Normandy
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