The Hosts as Guardians of the Ships Woke-Left Purity

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  • How many civilians burned to death in Dresden ?

    Approximately the same number of fucks that I couldn't give.

    If they bomb our civilians, theirs get some back with interest.

    Oh if it were so today.

    Given the estimated civilian death toll in Iraq during the occupation is somewhere in the region of 200,000, I'm pretty certain you don't ascribe to this as quid pro quo. It's a repellent opinion to voice.
  • Your response @Thatcheright comes across as both a repellent opinion as Doc said & as attention-seeking bait imho.
  • lilbuddhalilbuddha Shipmate
    Your response @Thatcheright comes across as both a repellent opinion as Doc said & as attention-seeking bait imho.

  • You don't believe in the concept of an innocent civillian ?
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited July 2020
    How many civilians burned to death in Dresden ?

    Approximately the same number of fucks that I couldn't give.

    If they bomb our civilians, theirs get some back with interest.

    Oh if it were so today.

    That is on a par with killing children to punish their parents. Amazing. And indeed thousands of children did die. And you apparently wish we went and killed like that now. You favour deliberate slaughter of non-combatants.

    You're not doing anything to dissuade me from a notion that conservatism needs a streak of psychopathy here.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited July 2020
    I decided a while ago that the best way to treat egregious, evil-minded, posts is to ignore them, and just leave them to the Hosts and Admins...
    :grimace:

    (Though I sympathise with the H&As at being obliged to deal with them).

  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Host Hat On

    This thread is for the discussion of the hostly ruling on the "Where is the Ship going?" thread in Purgatory. Take discussion of all other topics elsewhere.

    Ruth, Styx Host
  • Noted.
  • I think that boat sailed two pages ago.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    You don't believe in the concept of an innocent civillian ?

    Bomber Harris did not seem to, and that lack of belief did him no harm.
  • lilbuddhalilbuddha Shipmate
    Gee D wrote: »
    You don't believe in the concept of an innocent civillian ?

    Bomber Harris did not seem to, and that lack of belief did him no harm.
    It certainly harmed innocent people, though.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Being brief, so as to bear in mind Ruth's comment, yes.
  • Ruth wrote: »
    Host Hat On

    This thread is for the discussion of the hostly ruling on the "Where is the Ship going?" thread in Purgatory. Take discussion of all other topics elsewhere.

    Ruth, Styx Host

    Rest assured dear lady that I shall not pursue that line of debate any further in this thread, and shall stick to the points I raised in my original post.
  • How many civilians burned to death in Dresden ?

    Approximately the same number of fucks that I couldn't give.

    If they bomb our civilians, theirs get some back with interest.

    Oh if it were so today.
    Ruth wrote: »
    Host Hat On

    This thread is for the discussion of the hostly ruling on the "Where is the Ship going?" thread in Purgatory. Take discussion of all other topics elsewhere.

    Ruth, Styx Host

    Rest assured dear lady that I shall not pursue that line of debate any further in this thread, and shall stick to the points I raised in my original post.

    These exchanges inform that @Thatcheright has an issue, but it's not "left woke purity" nor legitimate quibbles about biased hosting.
  • How many civilians burned to death in Dresden ?

    Approximately the same number of fucks that I couldn't give.

    If they bomb our civilians, theirs get some back with interest.

    Oh if it were so today.
    Ruth wrote: »
    Host Hat On

    This thread is for the discussion of the hostly ruling on the "Where is the Ship going?" thread in Purgatory. Take discussion of all other topics elsewhere.

    Ruth, Styx Host

    Rest assured dear lady that I shall not pursue that line of debate any further in this thread, and shall stick to the points I raised in my original post.

    These exchanges inform that @Thatcheright has an issue, but it's not "left woke purity" nor legitimate quibbles about biased hosting.

    On the first quote, raise another thread and I will be happy to contribute. You and I have history on the subject.

    On the second, I'm not sure I understand your issue. I sought to reassure Ruth that I would adhere to her ruling, nothing more.

    I am not accusing the hosts of bias. Not in the crude way that you imply at least. I think it is more subconscious than that.

    I think because the Ship is mainly left-leaning, and the hosts are taken from the Ship's contributors, then the hosts and admins are mainly left-leaning to a greater or lesser degree, which leads to a subtle favouring of the left over the right. I'm sure it is a natural resopnse, similar to one being more comfortable with the familiar, and if looked for not present in qualities large enough to see.

    This may well lead to sanctions being imposed on right-leaning contributors, where they might be warnings to others; undertaking more careful monitoring of right-of-centre contributors, looking for breaches which may be overlooked in other cases; or the opposite might occur and more leeway unconsciously given to like-minded posters when it comes to the odd Ad Hominem

    I don't believe these things are deliberate, but when the blood is up and one is fulminating against a right-of-centre contributor, it might be easy to overlook a rule breach when a host might actually agree with the person making the breach, or conversely, it may be easier to read into a post more than is there, and find a rule breach when one is looking at someone with more than a benevolent eye (of course I am also accused of staying just within the rules. but I have no idea how I do that).

    I doubt if any single host would show it in order to view it. It is a cumulative thing, spread over the years and with dozens of hosts over that time frame, all doing their best but at the same time, all with a very similar political world-view. I would be surprised if the Ship remained centrist with all that ballast on the port-side!

    It is subtle enough that it can't be viewed as obvious bias, which is why the evidence is missing right-of-centre contributors, but is constant enough that over the years it has led to their diminution.

    It is a leftward drift, rather than a full-steam-ahead ploughing of the waves.
  • It's the tone of your posts frankly. You seem to be not here to discuss, but to make pronouncements with preconceived notions that everyone else is located on a categorical classification on one preoccupying dimension to your left. And the tone is irascible. Looking for disagreement.

    However, I suspect your views on a range of subjects are not consistently right wing. Like everyone, we're not easily classified as Just One Thing. Like you probably like health care you don't pay for directly, roads which are paid for from taxes, various other publicly funded things. I also expect you benefit from regulations about wages and employment, and probably aren't in self employment exploiting the labour of others.


    This is a community. Made of members. And it's open to points of view. Please feel free to recruit others.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Gee D, lilbuddha, NOprophet_NØprofit: Stop. Now.

    Thatcheright: If you have nothing further to say about the specific ruling in Purgatory, I will close this thread. Also, I am neither dear to you nor a lady.

    Ruth, Styx Host
  • It's the tone of your posts frankly. You seem to be not here to discuss, but to make pronouncements with preconceived notions that everyone else is located on a categorical classification on one preoccupying dimension to your left. And the tone is irascible. Looking for disagreement.

    However, I suspect your views on a range of subjects are not consistently right wing. Like everyone, we're not easily classified as Just One Thing. Like you probably like health care you don't pay for directly, roads which are paid for from taxes, various other publicly funded things. I also expect you benefit from regulations about wages and employment, and probably aren't in self employment exploiting the labour of others.


    This is a community. Made of members. And it's open to points of view. Please feel free to recruit others.

    Okay, having read it a few times, I think your first paragraph is accusing me of being a miserable, middle-aged git, who - like Terry Collier - didn't care for his neighbours. Guilty I'm afraid.

    Your second paragraph is broadly correct, however. As I have said a number of times, I am a centrist, middle-aged, middle-class. You would be wrong about being self-employed "exploiting" others. I used to be in that position directly, employing staff etc, but I sold my shares in that and moved on. I am now still self-employed and the sole employee, but my business is the sole provider for items that - if not delivered - could impact the employment of thousands and the pleasure of millions (I'm sorry but I have no intention of going further in that as the businesses I supply indirectly via another business, are household names). Been there, done that, bought and worn the t-shirt. Not bothered if I don't ever have to employ anyone else again, but I know the responsibilities.

    Third para - I keep trying to recruit others. But they can't be arsed to make the effort. It takes stamina if you are on the political right to stick around this site. I have to take sabbaticals, so Gawd knows how Russ and Marvin have managed it!
  • Ruth wrote: »
    Gee D, lilbuddha, NOprophet_NØprofit: Stop. Now.

    Thatcheright: If you have nothing further to say about the specific ruling in Purgatory, I will close this thread. Also, I am neither dear to you nor a lady.

    Ruth, Styx Host

    Ruth, whatever else you are you are definitely a lady! But more along the lines of Mr Darcy's wife than his aunt.
  • MrMandidMrMandid Castaway
    I think it is entirely possible that when people vote it is a trade-off of position
    MrMandid wrote: »
    You know a toss up between voting for a political party that has BAME people in high leadership positions and a leader that has made a few dodgy comments V a political party lead by someone who sympathised with terrorists, took money from a vile and repressive regime and whose party (along with the BNP) had been investigated by the EHRC commission.

    You mean this chap sympathising with terrorists?

    https://twitter.com/josssheldon/status/869920823171178496

    Nope, I wasn't referring to Johnson being pictured with Martin McGuiness in 2017, post peace process, unless you have evidence he was an active terrorist at that time? Do you have any evidence?
  • MrMandid wrote: »
    I think it is entirely possible that when people vote it is a trade-off of position
    MrMandid wrote: »
    You know a toss up between voting for a political party that has BAME people in high leadership positions and a leader that has made a few dodgy comments V a political party lead by someone who sympathised with terrorists, took money from a vile and repressive regime and whose party (along with the BNP) had been investigated by the EHRC commission.

    You mean this chap sympathising with terrorists?

    https://twitter.com/josssheldon/status/869920823171178496

    Nope, I wasn't referring to Johnson being pictured with Martin McGuiness in 2017, post peace process, unless you have evidence he was an active terrorist at that time? Do you have any evidence?

    My oh my!

    You would think they would have found a picture of Betty shaking the traitors arm, like this one

    But looking at Her Majsty's eyes, you know exactly what she was thinking... "My forbearers have seen people like you and won... now so have I you cheap little man!"

  • Third para - I keep trying to recruit others. But they can't be arsed to make the effort. It takes stamina if you are on the political right to stick around this site.

    Presenting facts and arguing logically are tiring for everybody, but nearly impossible for many on the right.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    We're done here. Thread closed.

    Ruth, Styx Host
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