Nitpicking All to Hell

Lilbuddha, is there a chance in Hell you might stop nitpicking my posts every time I post a reply? I can't even say that I'm against government corruption and waste without you poking a reproving finger in my chest and lecturing me about how waste is a subjective matter. You mean you're in favor of government waste, now? Seriously, you hate me that much that you're going to come out with THAT as your stance?

I have spent the last few weeks avoiding the hell out of every thread you're on, because my blood pressure can't take it. I never asked you to follow me around with a fucking microscope, looking to pick holes. And if you can't find one, you invent one. Haven't you got anything better to do with your life?

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  • DafydDafyd Shipmate
    Beat me to it.
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    It ain't just you, Lamb Chopped. Lilbuddah's primary activity on these boards has, AFAICS, always been to carve out, with minute care and detail, a moral/ethical quarrel with some other poster's point. If one unaccountably fails to present itself in her victim's post, she'll oblige by inventing one.

    Lilbuddha alone on these boards can provide the One True Moral Compass by which Shipmates may reliably steer their own vessels.

    I can recall very few instances in which Lilbuddha ever took it upon herself to raise a moral dilemma (Why would she? She always knows the Right Answer!) or, Heaven forfend, discuss the virtues of some other poster's stated position.

    Interesting (sometimes) viewpoints, but a truly grating presence.
  • LouiseLouise Epiphanies Host
    I mostly get on with Lil Buddha and have had some very nice, thoughtful and fruitful exchanges with her. I've noticed her coming on the end of a lot of offence-taking from the very people who like to accuse her of that.

    When I see a dogpile or a clique picking on Lil Buddha, I have often found you there, Lamb Chopped, while I don't see Lil Buddha posting to you in a way she doesn't to others. I really don't. I realise you find the style of posting exasperating and that you also find the content of the posts uncongenial, which I don't as I share fairly similar views - we all have things that get right up our noses - but maybe you should ponder whether expressing exasperation is starting to shade into something else that's maybe just a bit off?

    I see you both as people who hunger and thirst for righteousness but in such very different styles and with different beliefs.
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    Alas, if there's not a better battle going on, @lilbuddha will even criticize her defenders for agreeing with her, as if she has an exclusive trademark on her particular stances. Another specialty is telling Shipmates how they feel - or ought to feel - about a particular situation.

    LB has learned to avoid certain people who give as good as they get from her, but overall she's just difficult. Her presence on a given thread all but guarantees that said thread will be derailed, as she swings her battle axe and steers matters in the direction she considers best. It's tedious.

  • Oh shit, another onslaught on LB. They're like the seasons, you know that just after one, there'll be another one.
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    edited August 2020
    Ohher (about Lilbuddah) "... a truly grating presence."

    Agreed.

    There are not many Shipmates that regularly annoy me, even the usual suspects that snip and snipe. Lilbuddah does annoy me for all the reasons Lambchopped and Ohher mentioned.
  • LouiseLouise Epiphanies Host
    I'm a huge fan of yours Rossweisse who loves your posting and I disagree. I would be considered a very difficult person in real life because I'm a socially anxious academic nitpicker who overthinks things, worries away at details and sometimes likes to be right rather than nice - and as a younger person I was roundly bullied for it. So I notice when people with styles I see bits of myself in keep getting called to Hell.
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    Understood, Louise. But I find LB’s berserker style of argumentation difficult.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    The tensions are often between conversation, debate and argument. One might think one is having a discussion while another perceives a debate or argument. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hwqn9
  • Well, LB is a useful scapegoat. Every group needs one!
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    Caissa wrote: »
    The tensions are often between conversation, debate and argument. One might think one is having a discussion while another perceives a debate or argument. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hwqn9

    A perceptive point, Caissa. However, I'm not sure it applies here. While it's always risky for Person A to make assumptions, as I'm about to do, about Person B's unstated rationale(s) in posting X or Y or Z, posters with long histories do eventually "pile up" evidence about their personal agendas in posting here.

    Based on what I've seen of Lilbuddha's posting history (far from comprehensive, I admit), her primary motivation looks suspiciously like a strenuous drive to distinguish and separate herself from the rest of the Ship's crew. She seems dedicated to the proposition that she offers The Unique Correct Viewpoint in what she discusses, with all other views mere thoughtless dross by contrast.

    Of course, she's sometimes right, and this fact is likely what has kept her afloat for this long. But there's also a substantial amount of overreach in her efforts. This coupled with her observed repeated refusals to back down, apologize, or moderate her statements -- especially in light of her long-term refusal to offer external back-up for the facts (or "facts") she posts, is what leads -- deliberately, it would seem -- away from discussion and into conflict -- an odd habit for one who professes. apparently, a Buddhist worldview.


  • Oh shit, another onslaught on LB. They're like the seasons, you know that just after one, there'll be another one.

    Wonder why that would be. Couldn't possibly be that she provokes it over and over with her rude behavior? Yes. Yes, I think that's it.
  • Well, LB is a useful scapegoat. Every group needs one!

    How would you distinguish between someone who is a compulsive pain in the ass (e.g. perhaps Gordon Cheng) and someone who is just being scapegoated? You could add to this conversation instead of just sniping.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited August 2020
    I don't know if there are pond differences involved, but LB doesn't come across as particularly rude to me. Blunt, forthright, to the point, yes. But then I work in Yorkshire with one customer based in Barnsley.
  • Barnsley! Bloody hell. Yes, I don't get the stuff about LB.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Well, LB is a useful scapegoat. Every group needs one!

    I disagree. Why do we need to look for scapegoats?
  • Telford wrote: »
    Well, LB is a useful scapegoat. Every group needs one!

    I disagree. Why do we need to look for scapegoats?

    Because there's always the risk we run out of tories. ;)
  • LouiseLouise Epiphanies Host
    Ohher,
    I read a lot of LB's posts as I host on a forum where she posts a lot and hosts have to read every post and I've rarely seen such baloney masquerading as analysis as your post. It just comes across as a paranoid and nasty conspiracy theory.
  • If we had the old photo gallery back I wonder if the temperature might sometimes be lowered by being able to put a human face to some of the people who occasionally annoy us.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    Well, LB is a useful scapegoat. Every group needs one!

    I disagree. Why do we need to look for scapegoats?

    Because there's always the risk we run out of tories. ;)

    I doubt that. They are very popular.
  • I suspect that lilBuddha's voting record and mine are probably fairly similar ideologically. That does not mean that I find her the least bit congenial or all that enlightening. I especially took exception to her telling me how my sexual politics should look. She's not a scapegoat -s he asks for it. No sympathy here.
  • Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Well, LB is a useful scapegoat. Every group needs one!

    I disagree. Why do we need to look for scapegoats?

    Because there's always the risk we run out of tories. ;)

    I doubt that. They are very popular.

    Not generally with people who can read.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Well, LB is a useful scapegoat. Every group needs one!

    I disagree. Why do we need to look for scapegoats?

    Because there's always the risk we run out of tories. ;)

    I doubt that. They are very popular.

    Not generally with people who can read.

    As long as they can read the ballot paper they will be able to make the popular choice
  • PatdysPatdys Shipmate
    edited August 2020
    mousethief wrote: »
    Well, LB is a useful scapegoat. Every group needs one!

    How would you distinguish between someone who is a compulsive pain in the ass (e.g. perhaps Gordon Cheng) and someone who is just being scapegoated? You could add to this conversation instead of just sniping.

    How about we stop dredging up past shipmates.
    Firstly, many will not know or remember who you are talking about.
    Secondly, he is not on board (to the best of my knowledge).
    Thirdly, it was unnecessary and seemed mean spirited.

    I am thinking through why for me, this does not apply to media figures and I think it is the contemporaneous nature or public life that drives the difference for me. So Trump away, bollock Boris but don't Cheng me.
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    I don't know if there are pond differences involved, but LB doesn't come across as particularly rude to me. Blunt, forthright, to the point, yes. But then I work in Yorkshire with one customer based in Barnsley.

    Careful! My wife comes from Barnsley!
  • Patdys wrote: »
    mousethief wrote: »
    Well, LB is a useful scapegoat. Every group needs one!

    How would you distinguish between someone who is a compulsive pain in the ass (e.g. perhaps Gordon Cheng) and someone who is just being scapegoated? You could add to this conversation instead of just sniping.

    How about we stop dredging up past shipmates.
    Firstly, many will not know or remember who you are talking about.
    Secondly, he is not on board (to the best of my knowledge).
    Thirdly, it was unnecessary and seemed mean spirited.

    I am thinking through why for me, this does not apply to media figures and I think it is the contemporaneous nature or public life that drives the difference for me. So Trump away, bollock Boris but don't Cheng me.

    Major in the minors much?
  • Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Well, LB is a useful scapegoat. Every group needs one!

    I disagree. Why do we need to look for scapegoats?

    Because there's always the risk we run out of tories. ;)

    I doubt that. They are very popular.

    Not generally with people who can read.

    As long as they can read the ballot paper they will be able to make the popular choice

    My point is that between those who can't read sufficiently to use the ship (or would have to learn too many new words for their poor little brains to cope with) and the technologically incapable the pool of available tories on the ship is also likely to be limited.
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    I don't know if there are pond differences involved, but LB doesn't come across as particularly rude to me. Blunt, forthright, to the point, yes. But then I work in Yorkshire with one customer based in Barnsley.

    Tangent I know but "blunt and forthright in Barnsley" = rude elsewhere. A convenient mask under which to hide? Try doing the same back and see what happens
  • Louise wrote: »
    Ohher,
    I read a lot of LB's posts as I host on a forum where she posts a lot and hosts have to read every post and I've rarely seen such baloney masquerading as analysis as your post. It just comes across as a paranoid and nasty conspiracy theory.

    Louise - ISTM that you are seeing what others aren't, and not seeing what others can. But then again we all see/read/hear through the lens of personality as well as experience.

    Is there evidence for the claims people are making about LB? Well depends on your interpretation as LB hasn't to my knowledge owned up to anything (I'll happily be set right on that one)
  • PatdysPatdys Shipmate
    One of the things I have greatly enjoyed over the years is the moderation/maturation of many shipmate's posting style - including you Mousethief.

    I had to look up 'Major in the Minors.

    Two thoughts,

    One given the thread title, it made me laugh- where else can I quibble over small details except on a nitpicking thread?

    Two, I expect the poster named has also had opportunity to moderate in the 13 years since he last posted on board!

    And a bonus thought, remember Beetlejuice. That's one.
  • LouiseLouise Epiphanies Host
    edited August 2020
    hasn't to my knowledge owned up to anything
    Are you putting other Shipmates on trial now? I might be one of the few willing to come and take on all comers in Hell about it but given the sort of stuff some people see fit to post that isn't a surprise. I get a lot from LBs posts and really appreciate them on a lot of topics and I like her. Her posts can sometimes come off as too abrasive (so do mine when I'm really pissed off) but compared to this kind of accusatory stuff... I've never found her posts to be mean minded and I can't say the same about some of the posts in this thread.
  • Witches must confess, otherwise how do you know she's a witch? Or is it the other way round?
  • RossweisseRossweisse Hell Host, 8th Day Host
    mousethief wrote: »
    Well, LB is a useful scapegoat. Every group needs one!

    How would you distinguish between someone who is a compulsive pain in the ass (e.g. perhaps Gordon Cheng) and someone who is just being scapegoated? You could add to this conversation instead of just sniping.
    [Hostly winged helmet ON] Please refrain from exhuming old arguments with those who are not here to defend themselves. Kindly keep it current. [Hostly winged helmet OFF]

  • That lb has, to the best of my knowledge, never even been warned for her abrasive and confrontational posting style while others who were no less disruptive to threads have long since been banned is in my book good evidence for the liberal bias of the Ship.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Well, LB is a useful scapegoat. Every group needs one!

    I disagree. Why do we need to look for scapegoats?

    Because there's always the risk we run out of tories. ;)

    I doubt that. They are very popular.

    Not generally with people who can read.

    As long as they can read the ballot paper they will be able to make the popular choice

    My point is that between those who can't read sufficiently to use the ship (or would have to learn too many new words for their poor little brains to cope with) and the technologically incapable the pool of available tories on the ship is also likely to be limited.

    These people with poor little brains know that historically, the Conservatives are the natural party of government. Use your massive great brain to look it up and you will see that it is correct.
  • Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Well, LB is a useful scapegoat. Every group needs one!

    I disagree. Why do we need to look for scapegoats?

    Because there's always the risk we run out of tories. ;)

    I doubt that. They are very popular.

    Not generally with people who can read.

    As long as they can read the ballot paper they will be able to make the popular choice

    My point is that between those who can't read sufficiently to use the ship (or would have to learn too many new words for their poor little brains to cope with) and the technologically incapable the pool of available tories on the ship is also likely to be limited.

    These people with poor little brains know that historically, the Conservatives are the natural party of government. Use your massive great brain to look it up and you will see that it is correct.

    "Natural party of governments" is an attitude the tories like to assume because it encourages people to look past their atrocious record on, well, pretty much every measure you care to mention (debt, economic growth, poverty, inequality, life expectancy...). If you simply mean "they've been in power a lot" then clearly, yes, that's the case. More's the pity.
  • That lb has, to the best of my knowledge, never even been warned for her abrasive and confrontational posting style while others who were no less disruptive to threads have long since been banned is in my book good evidence for the liberal bias of the Ship.

    My recollection is that she has been.
  • That lb has, to the best of my knowledge, never even been warned for her abrasive and confrontational posting style while others who were no less disruptive to threads have long since been banned is in my book good evidence for the liberal bias of the Ship.

    Except that many other posters, some far more liberal, have.
  • Rossweisse wrote: »
    mousethief wrote: »
    Well, LB is a useful scapegoat. Every group needs one!

    How would you distinguish between someone who is a compulsive pain in the ass (e.g. perhaps Gordon Cheng) and someone who is just being scapegoated? You could add to this conversation instead of just sniping.
    [Hostly winged helmet ON] Please refrain from exhuming old arguments with those who are not here to defend themselves. Kindly keep it current. [Hostly winged helmet OFF]

    A wise ruling, which I will willingly heed.
  • That lb has, to the best of my knowledge, never even been warned for her abrasive and confrontational posting style while others who were no less disruptive to threads have long since been banned is in my book good evidence for the liberal bias of the Ship.

    I'm going to rule that this conflates two entirely separate arguments. There's a perfectly acceptable outlet for discussing the 'liberal bias of the Ship' in Purgatory, and a slightly different one in Styx.

    Feel free to continue to complain about her posting style, but not to heap a lot of baggage on lilbuddha that she doesn't deserve to carry - the beef you want to have is with the Ship's Hosts and Admins.

    DT
    HH
  • LouiseLouise Epiphanies Host
    edited August 2020
    Withdrawing post due to cross post with host ruling.
  • ExclamationMarkExclamationMark Shipmate
    edited August 2020
    Louise wrote: »
    hasn't to my knowledge owned up to anything
    Are you putting other Shipmates on trial now? I might be one of the few willing to come and take on all comers in Hell about it but given the sort of stuff some people see fit to post that isn't a surprise. I get a lot from LBs posts and really appreciate them on a lot of topics and I like her. Her posts can sometimes come off as too abrasive (so do mine when I'm really pissed off) but compared to this kind of accusatory stuff... I've never found her posts to be mean minded and I can't say the same about some of the posts in this thread.

    I'm not sure how you get to trial from "owned up to.." but perhaps I could rephrase as "acknowledged where she might not have the last word" on a particular subject or person
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    How many posts does a Hell thread normally go when a Shipmate does answer it before the thread is closed? Asking for a friend. ;^))
  • I thought the last LB hell call finished in June, although it did meander. I suggest there are 3 monthly ones, then everyone can sharpen up for the next one. November? I am being sarky.
  • I think a policy change was announced in Styx.
  • Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Well, LB is a useful scapegoat. Every group needs one!

    I disagree. Why do we need to look for scapegoats?

    Because there's always the risk we run out of tories. ;)

    I doubt that. They are very popular.

    Not generally with people who can read.

    As long as they can read the ballot paper they will be able to make the popular choice

    So.... you don't want them to make an informed choice, just the same choice as you?
  • Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Well, LB is a useful scapegoat. Every group needs one!

    I disagree. Why do we need to look for scapegoats?

    Because there's always the risk we run out of tories. ;)

    I doubt that. They are very popular.

    Not generally with people who can read.

    As long as they can read the ballot paper they will be able to make the popular choice

    So.... you don't want them to make an informed choice, just the same choice as you?

    Sorry everyone. Accidentally added to Midland Town's bizarre attempt to derail the thread into yet another "I'm a Tory aren't I Great" fest. If an admin would kindly delete this and my previous comment I'd be grateful. MT needs no more publicity.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Well, LB is a useful scapegoat. Every group needs one!

    I disagree. Why do we need to look for scapegoats?

    Because there's always the risk we run out of tories. ;)

    I doubt that. They are very popular.

    Not generally with people who can read.

    As long as they can read the ballot paper they will be able to make the popular choice

    My point is that between those who can't read sufficiently to use the ship (or would have to learn too many new words for their poor little brains to cope with) and the technologically incapable the pool of available tories on the ship is also likely to be limited.

    These people with poor little brains know that historically, the Conservatives are the natural party of government. Use your massive great brain to look it up and you will see that it is correct.

    "Natural party of governments" is an attitude the tories like to assume because it encourages people to look past their atrocious record on, well, pretty much every measure you care to mention (debt, economic growth, poverty, inequality, life expectancy...). If you simply mean "they've been in power a lot" then clearly, yes, that's the case. More's the pity.

    Yes they have been in power a lot, mainly due to working class votes
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Well, LB is a useful scapegoat. Every group needs one!

    I disagree. Why do we need to look for scapegoats?

    Because there's always the risk we run out of tories. ;)

    I doubt that. They are very popular.

    Not generally with people who can read.

    As long as they can read the ballot paper they will be able to make the popular choice

    So.... you don't want them to make an informed choice, just the same choice as you?

    That would be the sensible thing to do as far as I am concerned.
  • I suppose the post-pattern people with re lb, is the sort that might make me reply to her latest post on the abortion thread with, “what about transmen ?” But we don’t always need to do that.

    That said, like Louise, I’ve got a lot out lb’s posts over the years - even though we don’t always agree.
  • Telford wrote: »

    Yes they have been in power a lot, mainly due to working class votes

    That's simply untrue.
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